Dredd - Ending Slow motion scene(HD)

[@AlasdairGR]

Note how Dredd immediately starts to turn away as she falls. Mama may have given Dredd one of his hardest days in a while, but to him, she’s just another criminal he needed to dispatch. Cold, calculated justice.

[@Thunda1986]

This is just a normal day for him

[@AlasdairGR]

@@Thunda1986 For him, it was Tuesday.

[@beanmchne]

I thought the same thing. But I just noticed (watching it right now) after ma ma hits, the next scene is Dredd looking down at her, and he says "yeah". This film so needs a sequel.

[@axx012]

@@beanmchne While I want it, I think Karl might be too old for it now, plus I rather leave with wanting more, than getting a potentially inferior sequel

[@LOL60345]

hes cold and super efficient, but he gave her one last hit of what she loved most, a last supper of sorts, shows hes still human. and a true executioner, because thats what executioners do, serve the convicted their favorite meal before dispatch.

[@zanytobbs]

Love this movie because slow motion had an actual purpose!

[@Johny40Se7en]

That's the only reason is it? 😛

[@zanytobbs]

@@Johny40Se7en It still amazes me Urban never took off his helmet too! I'd imagine other actors would have wanted some sort of face reveal.

[@scottydearden6075]

I'd love Slow Mo!

[@uselessvideos2226]

@@COMMODOOSA To be fair Stallone was forced

[@RapterLover13]

That’s why I love this movie. It’s not like the new halo show, or the Stalones old Judge Dredd movie. They stay true to the character, thank you Karl Urban.

[@brandonjacobs260]

Did everyone notice how her blood makes the "X" of a Judge helmet? Awesome detail

[@johnorulzu]

Brandon Jacobs Thought I was the only one who noticed this... Nice.

[@eggmcguffin4794]

Yesssssss I did! It’s great right

[@IvyHilts]

Can't get tired of this scene. Isn't the most beautiful death in cinema? The music, the camera, the slow motion... Poetic. Thrilling. I absolutely love it.

[@cagekind]

please watch other movies

[@juantarango5142]

this is the most beautiful slow motion ever

[@Layal615]

Juan Tarango Gavin Free did it, check him out!

[@drivingstudios6151]

From the music to the visuals it's very artistic

[@herbertharris7316]

Indeed! The slo-mo in this movie was PERFECT!!!

[@momowawa447]

One of the most underrated movies in history...

[@FlyingArtz.]

AGREED!!

[@SirLunkanBOI]

it's so fucking bad

[@kevinyonan2147]

@@SirLunkanBOI lemme finish that sentence for you by replacing "bad" with "badass". you're welcome!

[@ryline666]

Everything that has ever happened is underrated

[@lizandrorodriguez2377]

I just said this, definitely doesn’t get the credit it deserves.

[@IamBHM]

At a rough estimate it'd take 20ish seconds to fall a kilometer. (Wikipedia says terminal velocity is 54 m/sec, it takes 3 seconds to reach 50% of terminal velocity, 8 seconds to reach 90%, and at 54 m/sec you'd traverse a kilometer in 18.5 seconds.) Slo-Mo would turn those 20 seconds into 2000 seconds, or about 33 minutes. I always wonder what Ma Ma is thinking during that half-hour fall. Does Slo-Mo make the user feel euphoric? (Some of them certainly look it.) Was she blissed out? In awe of the beauty of the experience? Once the inevitability of her coming death sank in, did she find peace and acceptance? Was she terrified? How intense was the pain of her bullet wound compared to everything else she was feeling? Half-an-hour is enough time to go through a whole cycle of emotions. Maybe some or all of the above?

[@linajorine3433]

The Name of the song (00:03)?

[@boatwithwheels]

Are you saying that she was thinking at like superspeed?

[@92ladderley]

Lena Headey said she was dead inside and basically was waiting to die, out of all the things she might have felt I doubt any of it was fear, she seemed incapable of fear by that point, Dredd basically gave her something she desperately wanted.

[@MJPamuru20]

Red Hood I'm no expert on the human brain, or the slow mo drug but, I believe in order for you to perceive things in slow motion your brain must be running at hyper capacity, people who survive car crashes and other such traumas often describe the experience as being in slow motion, during daily operation, our brains only tend to use enough "logic" to guide us down the paths we're walking/driving...It's thought that this is the left side of your brain which is analytical and logical, but when a car crash occurs the right side "activates" for lack of a better word and works in union with the left hemisphere (Right side is creative/imaginative) perhaps it does this to give you that short spell of "slow mo" to allow you enough time to think of a way to save yourself from death?? I think the point of it is yes, likely it'd be very possible to think at superspeed, so long as you can focus with an intense adrenaline rush

[@sarcasticstartrek7719]

You're about right. In total freefall it'd be 14 seconds but it doesn't take into account terminal velocity. I'd say yes 20-22 seconds.

[@adamcastelsay]

Death has never been so beautiful

[@Elthenar]

+adamcastelsay To a Justin Beiber song?

[@adamcastelsay]

+Elthenar lol it's not actually a Bieber song although it's a really common rumor.

[@31FilmTalk]

+adamcastelsay It was inspired by a Bieber song that was slowed down by 800%. they made their own version for this movie.

[@samuelspurk6617]

Liked the slow motion kill in Killing Them Softly much more

[@luizbarros5245]

Well, there's the ending of Blade Runner, with the speech and death of Roy Batty. I think that is pure poetry.

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

She pulls off one of the rare instances of genuinely sexy and scary at the same time. Usually if an actress does one well, the other doesn't work. But somehow this actress does both.

[@MrIlikepie14]

Lena Headey for ya

[@JuneFSU]

Yup, hard to believe Lena had no formal training in acting. She's just that good.

[@mcgubbin]

JoJo McJoJo sexy? Lmao in this film she looks awful (not that thats a bad thing!.i just meant the makeup etc) she has a massive scar, dirty hair, and yellow and blackish filthy teeth 😂😂 the opposite of sexy

[@alvinameragathium1977]

@@mcgubbin Well, sexy is in the eye of the beholder...personally, as a woman myself, she has a bad girl vibe I go crazy for :P She's a major villain crush of mine for sure.

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

That's cus Female Villains actually pretty goddamn rare in movies so its hard to stumble upon the really good ones.

[@dv2045]

when Mama was about to hit the flor everyone in the cinema was like... Cinema: (are they gonna let us see her crash?) Mama: *SPLAT* Cinema: (yeah, they did) Dredd: yeah...

[@najeedwilson8497]

Deivid V what is the song when she falls? if you don't know that's OK!

[@lolroflroflcakes]

Its a Justin Bieber song slowed down a few hundred percent, I believe.

[@najeewilson9809]

lolroflroflcakes what song?

[@lookathatdingo335]

Kelly Bramhall i didnt remember the song it was based on... thanks!

[@TheLegend1245]

I think it's the closest thing from a movie we'll see someone splat on the ground.

[@tomarnold7284]

I love how the camera followed Ma Ma fall, recapping everything that happened - her men who got incinerated, the floor she destroyed using 3 mini-guns... she watched the "fall" of her empire and until finally "hit rock bottom".

[@tonybletas930]

Fucking hell i get goosebumps all over, the scene, the music, the sheer emotion all these elements create in concert. Truly one movie that's destined to become a bona fide classic. Every minute of this film rocked the universe i live in. Haven't felt like this since i first saw Bladerunner so many moons ago. I was right then and I'll be right on this one too.

[@pinz2022]

Bladerunner is right on. I was eighteen when I saw it. Unfortunately Dredd will never get it's due.

[@moshydingo]

wait till you hear that the music is a justin bieber song slowed down by 800%

[@starrysoup]

Right?! Chef's kiss it's such a beautiful scene. Sometimes Ill listen to the score Mama's requiem on Spotify even 👌👌

[@benhislop1458]

I guess the verdict was guilty

[@TBONE_2004]

Maximum Sentence - Death Penalty

[@gmnotyet]

The sentence is death.

[@TBONE_2004]

Jeff Hall Court is adjourned.

[@LionbugLP]

what made you notice?

[@benhislop1458]

Lion Reichelt Lucky guess

[@invaderhim23]

Ryan Reynolds was born to play deadpool and Karl Urban was born to play Dredd

[@3ggh3ad]

After this movie, I thought Urban would have been a waaaaay better batman than Affleck

[@BorgCoitus]

Dude for real. He was a fucking fantastic Dredd

[@supersquish5936]

Dreedpool the new duo

[@johnnythed1175]

Somehow I feel like he would have been a better robocop tho

[@leadizolatorz668]

He was in Thor ragnarok... No one noticed urban.

[@zachzabel-grell3340]

"Defense noted." My favorite line in the entire movie. lol

[@Go4Bro]

one of the few remakes that trumps the original

[@charlespeter9914]

Honest Dave correct

[@Mos41f]

Then you should watch 'Cape Fear'

[@gary4934]

It's not a remake, just as Batman Begins is not a remake of Tim Burton's Batman. It's another adaptation of the same comics.

[@Go4Bro]

@@gary4934 Ok that makes more sense. Thank you.

[@smdmorga2]

@@Go4Bro Yes, and it is far better than the 1995 Stallone version.

[@twelvegage7805]

Welcome to the cult classics Dredd....

[@Premoguys]

trha2222 Let me guess. Watchmen?

[@twelvegage7805]

i bet it's watchmen... sin city is pretty good though to

[@Premoguys]

True, how could i forgot sin city.

[@Premoguys]

trha2222 why u gotta be such a meanie :*(

[@jberddd1]

trha2222 boo. BOO!

[@StinkyGreenBud]

I freaking love that her blood splatter turns into the red X that is on Judges helmets. Such a nice little touch to her sentence.

[@marcus_ohreallyus]

This movie had some style. One of the best scenes in cinema of the last few years

[@danvalentine4798]

I cannot accept that this movie hasn't got a sequel

[@DashingSteel]

One might ask himself "What was Ma-ma thinking about in his final moments?". I personally think that she wasn't. A broken woman. A broken person. She lived without purpose, ruled simply because it was something to do. Deep down inside she was already dead. When Dredd threw her out the window I bet her last thought was "Finally", then it was all feelings. Nothing but slow-mo induced euphoria and a feeling of flight as she was free falling toward the first floor. She was finally free.

[@Sarah-ts1jh]

Same. Deep down she was glad she would die and it will all be over

[@tHa1Rune]

possibly the most beautiful and poetic scene i've ever watched. so masterfully made. the entire film didn't get the attention it deserved.

[@gothelvis3541]

Something incredibly beautiful about this scene, not for the visuals but the idea of two different perspectives happening simultaneously. For her, it feels like heavenly death minutes passing towards imminent demise, time is slow for her but for Dredd shes flying down to splatter without a seconds thought, or maybe he knows it will take minutes in her mind to fall, making it torturous to reflect on your fate for that long when there's nothing you can do about it. You're trapped.

[@glenr4026]

Stunning film amazing. This scene brings tears to my eyes. What a beautiful way to go. The music is heavenly

[@tobyroyson9336]

this movie was wayyyyy better than the godawful 1995 Stallone shit.

[@jackcarterog001]

Toby Royson I know a guy that thinks the Stallone verson was superior. I hate him

[@tobyroyson9336]

jackcarterog001 for real? hahahahaha!

[@jackcarterog001]

Toby Royson I wanna sentence him to life in an iso-cube

[@tobyroyson9336]

jackcarterog001 sentence him to life in an iso-cube being forced to watch Justin Bieber music vids.

[@Jeffrey314159]

Toby Royson Yes indeed, that Stallone version had character developement arc, a protagonist you could learn to identify with, a lot of action without pornographic imagery. It also had an antagonist that was not a 2 deminsional evil villain and was played by a top actor(Assante)- - indeed this 2012 Dredd is nothing like the 1995 version.

[@koppsr]

what i like most about mama, is that she s not the typical female villain who in the end justifys everything with the world ( men) being cruel to her. she chose this, tough as nails and stonecold...and a littlebit crazy..^^all just because! ^^

[@Hrungni]

Hurr durr mEn arE ThE CaUsE oF EveRyThiNG WroNG iN tHE wORlD

[@Nutterbutter123]

Malefizia haven’t u seen her facial scars? And I’m pretty sure they mentioned she was raped and tortured.

[@jseven9868]

paulzprz then killed LOL

[@jseven9868]

Nature Restored If the innocent are harmed, namely children, it's a crime. Society has a lot to answer for i agree. Corruption is dreadful. But the empowerment of women could solve many problems. All animals (inc human ones) must be treated with the upmost respect.

[@jseven9868]

Nature Restored So Hitler (and other privileged dictators) was innocent? Also people need to understand ethics. If i was offered to run a drug cartel id rather die.

[@MrHereWeGoYo]

Amazing sequence. The music, the visuals, perfect. I had to go see Dredd a second time for the slo-mo sequences alone. It looked and sounded incredible in the theater (in 3D).

[@AK-tf3fc]

xenophobic

[@theyoungmessiah420]

I'm from the past and I can confirm that salvia hit finally put me back in sync with time. Dredd is a masterpiece.... lmao I have no idea what i'm saying bud. The movie was produced and shot in Cape Town by the way, where I'm from:D@hardstyle905

[@RuiWang-zm2ue]

She tried to use the Rookie Judge as a human shield but didn't take into account the transmission range of the remote bomb. A fitting execution carried out by Judge Dredd.

[@Kenazzle]

"Your crimes are multippplleeee hooooooommmmmmmoooooooooccccciiiiiiiidddeeeeessssssss-"

[@pigugtheshadow2879]

Kenazzle did she kick him in the balls to cause that or what

[@1994mrmysteryman]

the slow-mo took effect.

[@Matt561]

It's hard to express how awesome this was in the theaters

[@crispybits3765]

Anyone else spot the guy in the background at 00:59 ? On the cinema level, all burnt to a crisp, smoking but still standing. Looks like a survivor from the 'incendiary' scene. Creepy as hell how he is just stood there.

[@MrTrickcowboy]

I'm trying to figure that out. It looks like The Flash to me...

[@Gyang79]

Damn didn't notice that I originally thought it was a member of the judged gang

[@OfficerFriendly2006]

I thought it was weird how he looked like he was sitting down.

[@damo169]

i allways thought that he was covered in blood and was maybe a representation of all the people she skinned and threw down watching her fall to a similar fate

[@etiennesickleton1483]

​@@damo169Very interesting idea

[@kellymoon3406]

Brutalful

[@creekandseminole]

+Kelly Moon nice new word I've never heard of!!!

[@kellymoon3406]

+creekandseminole It doesn't apply to many situations!

[@matthewbrune5490]

Dredd sure knows how to off criminals like a total badass

[@drivingstudios6151]

That's actually a great way to describe the scene and the whole movie

[@AColonDashSix]

Lena Headly is a great villain and Karl Urban did an awesome job This movie DESERVES a sequel

[@TheMts95]

This was the moment, that Ma-ma knew, she fucked up

[@jammerc64]

Notice that it's not only blood splatter when she hits the ground. You can actually see tissue tear open from the impact and her whole face splits in half! Damn, that's gory as hell!

[@violetscott1980]

I noticed that too!!

[@psychokitty444]

Pretty sure her eyeball explodes into vitreous humor too.

[@SirBlacknoiseIII]

Man Captain Falcon has became BRUTAL over the years.

[@Chino56751]

Have a nice trip! See you next fall.

[@verigumetin4291]

+Agent Washington ahhh :))

[@mysteriousstranger237]

Agent Washington LOL

[@Keyser666]

Horrid, nasty and almost profoundly beautiful, I can't think of anything else this strangely mesmerising in any film for a long time (sort of how you felt when you first saw Fight Club).

[@herbertharris7316]

Indeed! The slo-mo in this movie was PERFECT!!!

[@davidnelson5381]

So good on so many levels...including the ones she's hurling past.

[@marcus_ohreallyus]

Never has something so violent been so beautiful at the same time

[@herbertharris7316]

Indeed! The slo-mo in this movie was PERFECT!!!

[@Red-ki4tk]

This scene was eerily beautiful

[@abdurahmankareem1]

One of the best scenes in movie history I could never forget my entire life

[@robertsmith20022]

I would hit that slow mo shit RELIGIOUSLY..... every... fucking..... DAY!!!!!! DAMN....

[@dv2045]

+Robert Smith if producers dont make a sequel they should be skinned, drugged with slowmo and tossed from a balcony

[@craigseamus4335]

+Robert Smith cause youre black ?

[@robertsmith20022]

+Craig Seamus nice try fuck boy

[@kyleroberts8823]

because you're an idiot

[@robertsmith20022]

+Kyle Roberts blah blah blah, Shut the fuck uo

[@Sodamanonzo]

It’s a crime this movie never got a sequel

[@TheKrcI]

fun fact gavin free was in charge of this slow mo scene

[@michaelmcclelland5366]

Really? :D

[@frankfontainepx1]

Google or Gavin !

[@forgottenmemory1832]

do you know the name of the song?

[@Phanthion]

The soundtrack's name for this song is 'Mama's Requiem' The actual song they used was Justin Bieber's 'U Smile' slowed down by 800%. Seriously, go search it :p

[@hexrei]

I remember when that slowed down version hit the scene a couple of years back, and totally came here cause I was wondering if that was the song they used for this scene!

[@chadhOneAtl]

The symbolic visuals on this scene are amazing. From Dred seaming to wave goodbye to the falling glass looking like rain or tears with her empire crumbling around her.

[@psychokitty444]

1:07 Anybody else think this shot takes inspiration from Gustave Dore's image of Satan falling from Heaven in Paradise Lost?

[@kozlorog]

True!

[@DarkAnomaly]

Brilliant scene. I've seen this movie many times now since release and I never get bored of it.

[@MD_Hooligan]

dredd.....a true savage of justice

[@MKRocker2012]

Honestly this is one the best pieces of cinema ever.

[@danaripley1200]

Loved the movie. Can hardly wait for Dredd 2. Mama thought she was pretty tough, until she lost all of her main crew.

[@marioarty]

Keep waiting

[@greenspace0388]

the most beautiful scene because mama bites the dust, and dredd says "yeah" in a very satisfying tone.

[@Venim1ceblade]

Underrated movie, so sad :'(

[@highspeedheadbanger]

i was hoping hed say ''i knew youd say that!''

[@MaggieCandy999]

I understood that reference.

[@commonmockery1074]

He could’ve said it in a cold manner, while still retaining the nostalgia.

[@johnf4941]

This scene makes me want to use slow-Mo and experience the thrills that comes with it.

[@picknroll8221]

Missing the best part! After she splats and the bomb doesn't go off, Dredd confirms his theory and at the same time kinda gives himself some props when he goes..."Yeah."

[@mikabenoit7299]

Pick'n'Roll82 that's the best part? Rlly

[@narcolepticdude414]

@@mikabenoit7299 Yeah

[@PerryThePlatypus52]

That inhaler looks like Jet chem from fallout

[@Rert]

+Rayan Ray amusingly in Fallout 4 Jet now slow's down time.

[@tonybletas930]

The world could use a bunch of Dredds right about now.

[@kudosbudo]

How about now? with all the fascism rising everywhere and the aboslute ignoring of enviromental issues probably.

[@pico527]

This scene made me feel so alive

[@txjr007]

Movies like this make me feel like hope for the future. Everyone played their best and the directors production edit sound costumes etc did amazing 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@eduesmalo]

this scene made the movie

[@HotaruZoku]

Imagine how fast Dredd has to be turning around to visible turn that much during the Slow-mo effect.

[@IsraelNowIsraelForever]

That is how a villain should die: accepting and calm. No screaming, as it destroys the menace they haue built up through the mouie.

[@jonathanoxlade4252]

More like mama knew she is fucked and accepted it since the slowmo takes the pain away

[@bowmaj8666]

Was anyone else expecting the song "Green Bird" from Cowboy Bebop to start playing as she crashed through the window?

[@Verlarn]

I wasn't... but now that's all I can think of.

[@geoffreybywater9909]

yes

[@Necrobadger]

+Bowmaj 86 Great, now I'm sad all over again.

[@Necrobadger]

+Bowmaj 86 Great, now I'm sad all over again.

[@HotaruZoku]

+Necrobadger yep

[@wonderguardstalker]

This is upsettingly beautiful. Also, I like how the blood forms a kind of cross like Dredds visor. Not sure it was intentional but it looked neat.

[@DrZootie]

Hardcore. Brutal but beautiful. The best scene in one of the best SF movies of the 21st century.

[@fahmeeda5716]

I love slow motion in movies 😀😍

[@zachc7952]

Defense noted.. Such a badass one liner!!

[@CrispyTurtl3]

When Judge Dredd threw her out the window, the theater exploded with encore.

[@RThyrring]

It’s simply a crime that this movie never got a sequal…!

[@brainwasher9876]

Defense noted.

[@axx012]

Im so used to hearing that accent Karl Urban has in The Boys, it feel weird hearing his voice in this.

[@kairi3177]

This movie didnt get the justice it deserved. The scenes with slo mo alone drew me in. Karl Urbin captured the cynical grit and hardness of the Judge Dredd way better.

[@williamjefferson5200]

2:02 Another happy landing

[@ricardoacosta2456]

One word; instant street pizza; repulsive and yet strangely beautiful. Lena's character got what she deserved. The penalty: DEATH! I do hope that the sequel comes out, I'd really love to see the dark judges in the next installment, would definitely give more character development to the character of Anderson, and give Dredd a real challenge.

[@antonioblanket480]

Slow motion is amazing. 😃

[@mikevaleska3832]

Love the way he throws her out the window

[@n0nsticknick]

The use of color in this sequence is incredible

[@koroconnell]

Never has death been so magical!

[@lilythvongore4502]

Absolutely stunning scene. The slow-motion is immense. Well done Gavin!

[@robpegler6545]

The addictive or harmful qualities of slo-mo (if any) are never really discussed. It might just be that people want it so badly because - as you said - it offers a temporary escape from the horrible world they're living in. But whether or not the drug itself is benign, the Ma-Ma Clan are monopolizing the sale of it and torturing/murdering anyone who cuts in on their territory or gets in the way of their business. So from that point of view, it's causing a lot of harm.

[@tjonesauto]

That soundtrack had a Catholic vibe to it. Like a song for mourning while hinting at the pipe organ.

[@SirAdrian87]

Our justice system should employ defenestration more often.

[@tuhinroy3517]

This movie is criminally underrated.

[@thebenosrises]

Let the Bodies Hit the floor would be good with this.

[@callmewitcher5069]

i know people always say " watch this while high! " but damn, this ending tripped me out that an animatrix while high

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

Dredd: "the Starks send their regards"

[@MexicanMetlAC]

I think it's that you still see that pavement approaching and the fact that it's taking so long to finally meet your end may really mess with you before you eventually die. Really it just makes for a pretty awesome scene. :D

[@pedrohenrique-fw9nq]

in all my life I never saw a death so gloriously beautiful full of life ...

[@herbertharris7316]

Indeed! The slo-mo in this movie was PERFECT!!!

[@generic_M_C_R_B_A_A_Y_A_W_ADHD]

lovely drone music, it's very ethereal.

[@jackcarterog001]

Imagine doing a skydive from space while on Slo-Mo

[@ZORIN-X]

One of the few reboots that was better than the original.

[@EmpirioN1]

drunk again and watching this again

[@FightkingSNF]

"Defense noted." That sealed this as the most bad ass adaptation of ANYTHING ever.

[@DavidKFZ]

This is a very dark film

[@BENTLEYQUAMP]

Beautiful,surreal scene.

[@RapunzelCorona0692]

This was before Lena Headey became Lily Collins' mother in "The Mortal Instruments", am I correct? Her death scene in "Dredd" is indeed beautifully choreographed! Also, it's amazing, how Lena could change from crazed drug lord to heroic warrior lady just like that!

[@Jeffrey314159]

Rapunzel AppleTon Not much of a change in you aske me. I thought Mortal Instruments: City of Bones was juvenile crap! What was an actor with the caliber of Jonathon Rhys Meyers thinking starring in this shitty film? Was he on another one of his drug binges when he signed on to this low budget cr#p?

[@elpavorgary232]

Rapunzel AppleTon She is a brilliant actress who is very underrated

[@Jeffrey314159]

El Pavor Gary I do not agree at all. She(Heady) is a good actress, good at playing villains, but I do not feel she underrated.

[@diggit67]

i watched this in 3D and OMG it was beautiful one of the best 3D scenes I have ever seen

[@dejected107]

man i wish i had watched this in 3D when it was out in the Cinemas

[@JERRYCOOOLGUY]

bevan rogan white. foreals bro andbeeinh stoned azz fuckes dude

[@KevinMuller5]

One of the best 3D experiences ever. Anytime the movie was in the "Drug Phase" it was so beautiful to watch.

[@Gaelerx]

Mesmerizing that's for sure