Dressing up in a 1730s mantua

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priorattire

priorattire

Жыл бұрын

I am on a roll, catching up with some material shot earlier in the year! this time it is mantuas - i am not an exert here so invited someone who is !
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Credits
Presentation
www.priorattire.co.uk
Mantuas
www.handboundcostumes.co.uk
Stockings
www.americanduchess.com
Photography:
www.timelightphotographic.com
Location
www.crowcombecourt.co.uk
Music:
KZbin archive,
Bach cello suite 1

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@jakecavendish3470
@jakecavendish3470 Жыл бұрын
These were still being worn for court dress into the 1820s but with a weird attempt to combine them with an empire waist that sort of made the wearer look like a head emerging from a giant mushroom
@McClaymore
@McClaymore Жыл бұрын
Once I read "The Queen of Spades" by A. Pushkin, it described the undressing of an old countess, who dressed in the fashion of the 1770s. "Pins rained down around her." Now I understand the meaning of this sentence.
@alaskacosplay
@alaskacosplay Жыл бұрын
So this gown style is basically an 18th century meets 1850s gown. I officially found my new favorite fashion era.
@syedmazharhasan6803
@syedmazharhasan6803 Жыл бұрын
It is bizare and fascinating to see how this would look downright fashionable in the late 1850s or early 1860s.
@davriecaro3036
@davriecaro3036 Жыл бұрын
True, this also can apply on how the mantua of the late 17th century & 1st decade of the 18th century would parallel with the Bustle era
@mastersnet18
@mastersnet18 Жыл бұрын
Yes, as well as the 1550’s.
@janegardener1662
@janegardener1662 Жыл бұрын
The colors, the slight blurriness and the two ladies standing by the window remind me of a Vermeer painting.
@AW-uv3cb
@AW-uv3cb Жыл бұрын
Yeah the shade of the blue gown (with the yellow of the other gown) is very Vermeeresque, isn't it!
@Teeniebfable
@Teeniebfable Жыл бұрын
The mantuas are beautiful. Tell me I’m not the only one who loves the sound of the silk rustling? I’d love for gowns like this to be normal everyday wear for those of us who’d just love to dress this way!
@elizabethclaiborne6461
@elizabethclaiborne6461 Жыл бұрын
If you had the money to hire a ladies maid to dress you, didn’t have to go to work, could afford to replace silk whenever there was rain or mud, you can already wear what you want whenever. Exactly the same conditions as in 1430, very few women got to dress like this.
@kellysouter4381
@kellysouter4381 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps with buttons, not pins.
@SophiaVonHelgastein
@SophiaVonHelgastein Жыл бұрын
One thing I really appreciate about your videos is that you choose a proper period location to film and the right time period of music that fits the era that you're dressing for.
@beth12svist
@beth12svist Жыл бұрын
I have a huge soft spot for the mantua, and absolutely zero reason to wear one, let alone to justify the cost... So I'm living vicariously through you right now, thank you. 😁 (Especially because the colour of your gown is absolutely gorgeous and one I would snap up in a heartbeat if I could.)
@tiamatmichellehart6821
@tiamatmichellehart6821 Жыл бұрын
Back when I was little my feminist environment had nothing but half-imagined horror stories to say about women's fashion before the 1960s. It's good to see more people actually *wearing* such fashion and taking the dark mystery out of it!
@Patrick3183
@Patrick3183 Жыл бұрын
Feminism is horrible - we all know this.
@pizmak6268
@pizmak6268 Жыл бұрын
All of that is just a propaganda to make modern people feel superior to our ancestors.
@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo
@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo Жыл бұрын
feminists aren't the brightest of people.
@al5547
@al5547 Жыл бұрын
@@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo Oh, I don't know--I enjoy having the right to vote and not being property. But you do you.
@TheIamyourmother
@TheIamyourmother Жыл бұрын
@@Patrick3183 tell me you don't think women should have the right to vote without telling me.
@sydneywilson3270
@sydneywilson3270 Жыл бұрын
I get very Cinderella vibes, with the colour and the little side poofs before the train is fully pulled back! Very pretty :)
@lindseydejesus1877
@lindseydejesus1877 Жыл бұрын
most important thing: it has pockets!!!
@kotadawndragon
@kotadawndragon Жыл бұрын
The dress is absolutely beautiful. I love the color and the pattern on it. Michelle's dress is lovely too. I didn't know that there were actually round hoops in the 18th century. I thought they mostly used the oval versions of varying widths.
@rcamels3042
@rcamels3042 17 күн бұрын
absolutely beautiful. Such an underappreciated era! I am working on my own 1730s mantua, so big thanks to you and Michelle for this video! It’s a big help to see how to correctly fold the train!
@lesliel9791
@lesliel9791 Жыл бұрын
the fuzzy focus actually makes it look like an old painting
@christyb2912
@christyb2912 Жыл бұрын
I have pockets I have pockets 🙂 and the colour is gorgeous
@KateandBree
@KateandBree Жыл бұрын
I love how Izabela has no idea where to put her hands as she is being pinned in by someone else. This shade of blue is quite lovely. I love how the train can be cleverly hidden in the seam with pins and the over skirt. Very clever!
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
I am not used to idleness…
@KateandBree
@KateandBree Жыл бұрын
@@priorattire I’m not used to it either as a horsewoman. We’re just busybodies.
@francoistamarin417
@francoistamarin417 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting to see such a specific english gown , the actual ancester to the french " robe à l'anglaise"!
@MossyMozart
@MossyMozart Жыл бұрын
Both fabrics are beautiful, but that steel blue color is a stand-out.
@Jack-sg2px
@Jack-sg2px 11 ай бұрын
Its so interesting that the dress bodice the same back pleating of a Robe a la Englaise but the skirt has almost a lower box pleat that I assume would've just moved higher up to become a Robe a la Francaise box pleat in the later 18th century
@rcamels3042
@rcamels3042 Жыл бұрын
I adore the mantua! It is such an underappreciated style, especially the mantua of the 1730s. I am excited to take Michelle’s course, well done!!
@type2280303
@type2280303 Жыл бұрын
That is absolutely amazing again Izabella :o I find it really elegant and it is like you are floating when you are walking around. So much nicer then the dresses from today.
@margaretfry3043
@margaretfry3043 Жыл бұрын
I feel like there must have been pinning secrets. I can’t pin something with a straight pin and have it stay for more than a minute
@jenneheise
@jenneheise Жыл бұрын
Ladies' maids must have been absolute mistresses of pinning!
@jrrose6689
@jrrose6689 Жыл бұрын
That blue color is so beautiful! And the dress moves lovely as well!
@dot8605
@dot8605 Жыл бұрын
Two lovely Ladies in two lovely gowns. It was very interesting to see how the shape of the gown was created. Thank you for sharing this with us.
@sheriroberts2954
@sheriroberts2954 Жыл бұрын
Ooooo! Love this one! The colour, the style the folded train and skirt!!
@josephinedykstra3383
@josephinedykstra3383 Жыл бұрын
So pretty! Somehow, the drapery on the skirt reminds me of the Disney Cinderella ballgown
@strangehobbyist
@strangehobbyist Жыл бұрын
I can certainly imagine Belle from Beauty and The Beast wearing something like this around the castle, instead of panniers.😅
@MioHasMoe
@MioHasMoe Жыл бұрын
I was literally just hoping today that you would upload a video about the 1730s. That time period is so underrated! 💜
@mnels5214
@mnels5214 Жыл бұрын
So glad to see this collaboration!! Two of my favorite costumers/dressmakers right here.
@joangallagher9754
@joangallagher9754 Жыл бұрын
That is the most gorgeous coloured silk I’ve ever seen.😍
@cannyexplorer5357
@cannyexplorer5357 Жыл бұрын
Had to chuckle at the guy in the garden who kept walking past the window first right to left and then back again. Think you spotted him the second time.
@mizfrenchtwist
@mizfrenchtwist Жыл бұрын
hello ladies ....nice , very nice😊😊😊😊. thank you , for sharing🥰🥰🥰🥰............
@bethanya99
@bethanya99 Жыл бұрын
Ooooo, I've never seen this process before! So happy to finally see it.
@LadyDragonbane
@LadyDragonbane Жыл бұрын
I'm growing more and more interested in the early 18th century so this is greatly appreciated! Thank you for introducing me to a new channel as well. 😍
@ZipZipInkspot
@ZipZipInkspot Жыл бұрын
Oh, lovely! Have been following Handbound Costumes for some time and the amount of research done has been more than excellent. Thoroughly enjoyed seeing the mantua take shape and it is a much handsomer look than I ever imagined. Oh dear, now must make time to make one, if only I can locate workable fabric!
@filipasales9291
@filipasales9291 Жыл бұрын
So beautiful both dresses!
@debbralehrman5957
@debbralehrman5957 Жыл бұрын
Lovey dress and very interesting commentary. Thank you 😀👏🏻👏🏻
@marthabenner6528
@marthabenner6528 Жыл бұрын
Very cute. And I love that shade of blue.
@cristinaiglesias3145
@cristinaiglesias3145 Жыл бұрын
Gran trabajo. Precioso. Las felicitó
@MizzKittyBichon
@MizzKittyBichon Жыл бұрын
Hmm...I think I'm starting to love early 18th century fashion a little bit more than late 18th century fashion. Just look at those skirts swing!
@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo
@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo Жыл бұрын
Beautiful and very informative as always. Cheerio
@teddy-3765
@teddy-3765 Жыл бұрын
I'm not a fan of the mantua - I don't find the pulling back fo the skirt fabric at all attractive - but it's absolutely fascinating to see how they go together.
@tracyrobinson9442
@tracyrobinson9442 Жыл бұрын
Oh ! My favorite kind of gowns come from anytime from 1700 to1790 roughly. I'm very interested in your channel and have subscribed and just really grateful for this video! Love your gowns and Hello to your lovely friend!
@michellecornum5856
@michellecornum5856 Жыл бұрын
Mantuas are far down on my list of things to make, simply because I can't find a pattern. Glad to have found you.
@melaniecronn3812
@melaniecronn3812 Жыл бұрын
This is beautiful
@berneserainbow1407
@berneserainbow1407 Жыл бұрын
You must have liked this dress a lot...no annoying buttons. LOL
@rebeccaharden6018
@rebeccaharden6018 Жыл бұрын
I love it
@sally-annebrown1298
@sally-annebrown1298 Жыл бұрын
Maybe an unseen visitor decided to pop on on that lovely colour? Beautiful 😍
@theredrover3217
@theredrover3217 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, much more with full picture - the progression of dressing, ignorant I went from unimpressed TO impressed by the 'look'. So much better with more than poses although the stills quite good, actively moving about paints a much fuller picture. Thank you for sharing (what did look like fun) with us. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@palomabebitina8229
@palomabebitina8229 Жыл бұрын
Precioso!!!
@alessandropigozzo2008
@alessandropigozzo2008 Жыл бұрын
Ciaoo ti adoroooooooo
@janesteinberg2713
@janesteinberg2713 Жыл бұрын
Gorgeous fabric I can see why a woman needed a lot of pin money Etc
@caroleannseaton9178
@caroleannseaton9178 Жыл бұрын
Wow all that pinning !!! I don't know if I would had enough patience to get dressed. 😕
@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo
@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo Жыл бұрын
I think if one would wear dresses like this every day.... one would develop good and quick pinning skills.
@SkylethrinYT
@SkylethrinYT Жыл бұрын
What I want to know is, with all these pins, how do you sit, or do anything, without risking being stabbed??
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
Pins lie flat against the body. So they cannot stab youzz
@swearenginlawanda
@swearenginlawanda 10 ай бұрын
Now I understand why there was no PDA in those eras. PINS. A feller would get stuck
@priorattire
@priorattire 10 ай бұрын
You can hug all you want and pins won’t be a problem
@annalisette5897
@annalisette5897 Жыл бұрын
Very pretty! Only the noble or upper classes could afford that much fabric for a garment. But such garments created a lot of dependency for the wearers. First, it is impossible for a woman wearing these styles to dress or undress herself. Regular work such as cooking a meal or basic housekeeping would have been impossible. I think sometimes the sumptuously gowned upper class women were a bit like queen bees who are at the center of the hive but are physically helpless and dependent upon others for the most basic sustenance.
@PurelyCoincidental
@PurelyCoincidental Жыл бұрын
I made a mantua from a slightly earlier era (more c. 1700), not quite as fancy as these, but similar style of construction. They're more comfortable/"navigable" than you might think-mantuas are actually descended from a kind of informal dress that became popular and gussied up-and I can get dressed by myself without problem. Make it shorter (no train) and out of wool, and you could see something similar in the middle class. That doesn't mean I'd want to get anywhere near a kitchen in that much silk, though! That alone would turn you into a queen bee. :)
@mastersnet18
@mastersnet18 Жыл бұрын
Upper class women were expected to run a household so they had to be able to at least walk around the house with ease. The amount of fabric in a gown isn’t the main differentiator between classes, it was the type of fabric. Middle class women would have also worn hoops, although mostly for special occasions. Women still needed to be able to move, regardless of their social class. These women walked and danced in these outfits. Also, if you watch her other videos she usually dresses herself without help, even in the upper class garments. Contrary to popular belief women were able to dress themselves, it was just slightly faster with a servant.
@sharonwhiteman6874
@sharonwhiteman6874 Жыл бұрын
It's like the Chinese wearing super long fingernails, it's showing that you can afford to pay other people to dress you and look after your clothes and do all you household chores. A form of conspicuous consumption
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
Actually 5 m is bit that much fabric- the cut is very economical. Expensive - yes, but for everyday you choose a cheaper fabric. It is actually quite easy to dress yourself without help- you see up the folded parts so only the front to pin. No movement is impaired so whereas a cook wouldn’t be wearing a hoop but a simpler version, a lady could go about her busy day without problems/ managing household,entertaining etc
@annalisette5897
@annalisette5897 Жыл бұрын
@@priorattire I noticed the cut made good use of the fabric. In colder climates, heavy, voluminous garments would keep people warm. When temperatures where I live get below 0 F ( -17.7 C), I sometimes wear a long skirt over long underwear and trousers.
@caroleannseaton9178
@caroleannseaton9178 Жыл бұрын
Poor Lucas. What country was it representing? The cap is really different. I love your shows. Please keep them coming.
@helenel4126
@helenel4126 Жыл бұрын
I had no idea mantuas were fitted with So. Many. Pins! No wonder the clothing of the middling and ordinary sort of women was not so ornate; they would not have been able to afford the length of fabric or the number of pins, let alone the costliness of the type of fabric used.
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
Pins were cheap and were used a lot by middling and lower classes. They also used a lot of fabrics for their clothing but it was a much more affordable fabric. Not the quantity but the quality was the key
@cricket8438
@cricket8438 Жыл бұрын
Please put a rug in your room to absorb some of the noise. It is hard to understand a lot of what you say and the footsteps are very loud. Your channel is so interesting that I would hate to miss things. 😊😊
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
We film in historical properties. We are not allowed to change the interiors- and this is how it would too d in the past too.. just pop the caps on
@cricket8438
@cricket8438 Жыл бұрын
@@priorattire thank goodness for the information 😊
@renaultellis6188
@renaultellis6188 Жыл бұрын
I love the 1760s, but the right skirt shape is in the earlier decades. We can't really have all the best of things at once
@stache1954
@stache1954 Жыл бұрын
A lot of work but it's beautiful.
@jacquelinetaylor8683
@jacquelinetaylor8683 Жыл бұрын
Are there any historical records of men being impailed by the pins women used to hold there clothing together with. I should imagine they acted as good deterent to stop women being molested.
@CordsZ
@CordsZ Жыл бұрын
Victorian era women were notorious for stabbing harassers with their hat pins. 😅 I’m not sure these clothing pins would have been long enough or thick enough to have quite the same impact.
@erizamisorafujoshi7002
@erizamisorafujoshi7002 Жыл бұрын
@@CordsZ 🤔
@jonesnori
@jonesnori Жыл бұрын
@@CordsZ Hence assorted local laws restricting the length of hatpins. It was men writing and passing the laws, after all.
@mastersnet18
@mastersnet18 Жыл бұрын
@@jonesnori those laws were largely ignored and never enforced since people realized it was useful for women to be able to defend themselves.
@kellysouter4381
@kellysouter4381 Жыл бұрын
Serve men right if they are molesting women if they do get prickled
@shawnfrye5987
@shawnfrye5987 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@judithstuart9631
@judithstuart9631 Жыл бұрын
Hello! 😃
@havingalook2
@havingalook2 7 ай бұрын
Fancy tea cozy
@lizagervais8621
@lizagervais8621 Жыл бұрын
The guy in the sweatshirt and jeans walking by outside the window kind of ruins the historical feel 😂
@joanleinweber3541
@joanleinweber3541 7 ай бұрын
He kind of slowed his step like he was going to take a peek and then thought better of it. 😊
@lisahumphries3898
@lisahumphries3898 Жыл бұрын
How did they keep the material from tearing where the pins were? I imagine pinning, unpinning, over and over, it would wear and tear the material.
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
you don't rip the threads in the fabric - you create a hole around them, so that the fabric is stretched ( which seals the pins in) but also preserves the matarial
@wildfireintexas
@wildfireintexas Жыл бұрын
The fabrics of these two gown are stunning. But back in the day wouldn’t those pins have been expensive? Also, with all those pins how do you keep from pricking yourself every time you touch the dress?
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
Piba were very common and very cheap. Not pricking/ practice!
@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo
@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo Жыл бұрын
pins were mass produced and everyone could easily afford them
@dudanunesbleff
@dudanunesbleff Жыл бұрын
Where I am from, we have an expression for women who work to get their luxuries, that translates literally to "earn money for her own pins". I am positive that it's a reference to the luxury of affording lots of pins.
@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo
@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo Жыл бұрын
this doesnt align with the reality. pins are super easy to produce. they were mass produced on a huge scale and they were dead-cheap. pins were never seen as luxury items. not even in medieval times.
@jonesnori
@jonesnori Жыл бұрын
@@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo They were super cheap post-Industrial Revolution. Not so sure you're right about medieval times, when they would have been hand-made.
@lautasanders8321
@lautasanders8321 Жыл бұрын
How long can you pin a garment before it messes up the fabric and needs to be replaced? What would the timeframe have been like in the times they were worn? This question goes for many of your era pieces. Seems like it would pull on the centerpiece quite a bit, as well as on the outer garment. One last thing...was there ever a time in history that a woman HAD to have help getting dressed. I watch all of your videos, and like this dress, I would be there for days getting it on. Sorry for all of the questions. Love your stuff!!!
@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo
@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo Жыл бұрын
by the time it would be messed up fashion would already have changed. It is a common misconception that people would wear such a dress for several years. Fashion changed every season. in victorian era a lot of dresses were made in cheap, poor quality fabrics since they often wore dresses only a few times. its a kind of disposable fashion in a way.
@theredrover3217
@theredrover3217 Жыл бұрын
I think (very strong keyword here think as in guess 😆) one aspect is pinning is not stationary whereas buttonholes and eyelets are or have more and concentrated stress (if tight.) Garments (even stiffer fabric) stretch out when worn whereas we throw them into the wash after each wearing so pin placement would vary no matter what. I also wonder if women did not move about as much as we do today. Less good posture, more relaxed seating, household tasks such as loading and unloading the dishwasher, scrubbing the toilet and vacuuming the stairs versus 'boss' lady. Climbing in and out of and riding in cars, reaching upper and lower most grocery shelves, pushing carts and wrangling with shopping bags & pet food - and the like. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Can you imagine going alone to Costco in one of those gowns? 😆 (Please do correct me if anything I suggest is a misconception.)
@dudanunesbleff
@dudanunesbleff Жыл бұрын
​@@theredrover3217I believe you have got a point here: the women who dressed like this did absolutely nothing around the house - neither did they work outside or took care of their children. Working people would wear more practical clothes, out of necessity and because they wouldn't be able to pay for this luxury.
@jonesnori
@jonesnori Жыл бұрын
@@dudanunesbleff The impression I get from historical romances is that ladies of quality did needlework, wrote letters, strolled through the garden, rode horses (in a different dress for the purpose), went out for rides in carriages, shopped, played the piano, and possibly painted delicate pictures (I wonder if they wore smocks?). Oh, and took tea. They also received visitors and made calls on others, with or without tea. And went to parties and danced (in a ball gown). Lots of activity, really, but not so much of the bending sort.
@kellysouter4381
@kellysouter4381 Жыл бұрын
@@theredrover3217 Costco would need one way aisles, you couldn't have two ladies pass one another.
@Noblebird02
@Noblebird02 7 ай бұрын
If you where time travelling to meet Bach would you wear a mantua
@carnifaxx
@carnifaxx Жыл бұрын
What kind of dress was worn when in contact with their children? I cannot imagine having them around with all those pins. (Like even though they were taken care of by their nannies, I suppose parents visited them from time to time...)
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
Pins don’t stick out. And they were used by all the classes, including the nannies.
@carnifaxx
@carnifaxx Жыл бұрын
@@priorattire Thank you for the explanation. My main topic is everyday life of lower (or lowest) classes from ca. 1600-1900 and I don't think they used pins that much for their clothes were obviously much more simple. I understand this is a completely different lifestyle, but if there are very useful videos about menstruation and toilets (and thank you for them ❤) is there a chance to have some kind of explanation how it worked with children, esp. babies and toddlers? I know about wet nurses, but some of the higher class mothers still breastfed their children, how was that manageable? Was there any dress code or what was the overall behaviour after giving birth? (I am aware about the situation and superstitions for lower classes during the first 6 weeks after birth, but not that much about people who lived more fancy life :) ).
@AW-uv3cb
@AW-uv3cb Жыл бұрын
@@carnifaxx there is a video about using chamber pots from some time ago, if you look through the videos on the channel 🙂 Re: breastfeeding: I think with a lot of fashions being quite low-cut it wouldn't be a problem to just... erm, whip the breast up for the feeding and then put it back in haha (or unlace/unbutton the bodice, depending on the period and cut of the dress). You can see it in many pictures of Madonna nursing baby Jesus: most of them present her with the bodice simply unlaced or the breast sticking out above the hem of the dress. Interestingly, some of the older depictions (late Middle-Ages, early Renaissance) also seem to show the breast sort of sticking out of the folds of the dress, suggesting a special opening for breastfeeding - don't know if it was a special design or just regular seams that were undone for the period of breastfeeding and then sewn back together (that begs the question: would she also have a special shift with such openings or just pull the shift down?). Also a lot of these depictions show Mary covering her breast w with a shawl or a fold of the dress, so quite like today when a woman breastfeeds in public and covers herself with a napkin or something for modesty. I guess that depended on whether you were nursing in the privacy of your bedchamber or with other people around. Mind you, this extrapolation is from an earlier period, not the 17th century. Apparently the nursing Madonna depictions, which were quite popular in high Middle-Ages and the Renaissance, were later discouraged by the Church after the Council of Trent for reasons of modesty, but I don't know if they thought that it was immodest to show Mary's naked breast as such, or because Mary depicted in the act of breastfeeding was considered improper by default as it put her in one social rank with women who had to breastfeed themselves, ie. peasants and townswomen. Either way it says something about how breastfeeding would be approached in the upper classes - it's probably a safe guess that even if an aristocrat chose to breastfeed herself, she'd do it in private or just in the presence of her nearest 🙂 But again, these are just my assumptions based on the artwork.
@rcamels3042
@rcamels3042 7 ай бұрын
@@carnifaxxall classes of women used pins to close their gowns, especially in the 18th and early 19th centuries. Children’s clothing laced shut for the most part, as you say, so they don’t accidentally get pricked. But overall it isn’t easy to get pricked, the pins do not face outwards
@renaebettenhausen3611
@renaebettenhausen3611 Жыл бұрын
I now see why it was essential for a woman to have a substantial allowance for "pin money". What I don't comprehend is how a woman at the time, went about her day, or danced, without being stabbed in a hundred places by her pins. Or how women embraced one another, or their children, or their lovers. Did men also require an arsenal of pins?
@KateandBree
@KateandBree Жыл бұрын
Yes, how did you think those military jackets stayed on? Magic? PINS...or they were sewed on.
@thespaceshuttlechallenger7882
@thespaceshuttlechallenger7882 Жыл бұрын
Reenactor here, there are many things at work: 1) Pinning is a skill, and these ladies practice daily. 2) The grain of the fabric and the pin are both arranged perpendicularly to the direction of tension, which causes the threads of the fabric to tighten around the pin and help hold it in place, and there's really nowhere for it to go. 3) Historical fabrics tend to be a much tighter weave than most modern fabrics, which also help keep pins snug and secure. 4) Women at this time are also wearing stays and skirt supports, which gives a very rigid substrate for pinning. Even when she's moving vigorously, the outside of the woman's stays aren't moving much at all, so the pins aren't getting worked loose. 5) That rigid support structure also serves as a sort of armor. That's several layers of heavy twill, baleen, wood, reed, leather and cork between you and the pin. In fact you can even safely angle the pins a little bit toward your own body (that is; into the stays) to ensure that the tip doesn't stick out and catch anything (or anybody.) As for mens' clothes... there is a little bit of pinning involved with things like hats and cravats, but menswear mostly closed with ties and buttons. Mens' bodies don't go through drastic changes as often as womens' bodies, so having permanent closures isn't as risky!
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
Nicely put, thank you!
@renaebettenhausen3611
@renaebettenhausen3611 Жыл бұрын
@@thespaceshuttlechallenger7882 Thank you. I now have to wonder how often the pins were bent and broken. I also wonder about the pin heads, and if we have any pins as examples in museums.
@renaebettenhausen3611
@renaebettenhausen3611 Жыл бұрын
@@priorattire sorry about the pin rabbit hole. But in the video, it seems that more than a dozen pins were used. I do appreciate the explanation that after the initial fit, a good number of those pins would be replaced with stitches. I do hope that very few of them ended up on the ballroom floor.
@robinesak7819
@robinesak7819 Жыл бұрын
And this would be why so many ladies (at least the ones who dressed like this) had servants to help them dress. You probably COULD do it yourself but it would take hours!
@AnniCarlsson
@AnniCarlsson Жыл бұрын
No it doesn't take hours
@elizabethclaiborne6461
@elizabethclaiborne6461 Жыл бұрын
No, if you could afford the fabric you already had the servants. There were no factories - all fabric was hand woven and hand processed from the raw fiber to the dress. Silk had to travel thousands of miles to Europe. Servants were cheap, for the poor it was a good gig.
@mastersnet18
@mastersnet18 Жыл бұрын
In most of her videos she dresses herself and it takes like 10 minutes and most of the outfits are upper-class outfits.
@tammydennison1025
@tammydennison1025 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed watching this video. Not only was it interesting in describing the details and how to pin it together, but the materials used for both dresses were lovely. There were a couple of things that bothered me in regard to the recording (besides the blurriness): the sound of your shoes on the wood floor was distracting, as well as the empty room echo. There were a few times the echo made it hard for me to understanding what you were saying. Lovely none the less!
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
Both shoe sounds and echo is what you get in historical buildings- all authentic ;-)
@MissNaturalMystery
@MissNaturalMystery Жыл бұрын
They didn’t really have closets back then so where did they store all of this?
@berneserainbow1407
@berneserainbow1407 Жыл бұрын
I assume in chests.
@saraquill
@saraquill Жыл бұрын
There were cabinets called clothes presses.
@whaaat3632
@whaaat3632 Жыл бұрын
We toured the Governor's Palace in NC (early 1700s). According to the guide, clothing there was stored in a special room (kind of like a walk in closet).
@rcamels3042
@rcamels3042 7 ай бұрын
later 18th century prints show clothing hung on wooden pegs attached to the wall
@kirstenpaff8946
@kirstenpaff8946 Жыл бұрын
So, who was actually creating these new styles? Was it mantua makers coming up with new designs? Was it the ladies purchasing the gowns? Also, there must have been fashion flops as well when ladies tried to start a bold new trend, but nobody got on the bandwagon. I wonder if any of those survive as extent garments.
@mastersnet18
@mastersnet18 Жыл бұрын
I imagine it was royalty and nobility mainly.
@Muck006
@Muck006 Жыл бұрын
@@mastersnet18 "New stuff" always requires excess of resources ... time, material, "professional brainstorming" (this applies to "fashion designers" as much as it does to scientists and artists) and money. Ordinary folks usually only have the first two in abundance ... during the darker hours when they cant really work.
@marie-jopalau3459
@marie-jopalau3459 Жыл бұрын
Very amazing and pretty but a little complicate no to dress it was an other century where ladies had the time....
@justka4444
@justka4444 Жыл бұрын
Dzisiaj niektóre kobiety przez godzinę robią makijaż 😅
@astrothsknot
@astrothsknot Жыл бұрын
what's the other lasie's youtube?
@kellysouter4381
@kellysouter4381 Жыл бұрын
That's Mrs Crocombe.
@agsuvongiest
@agsuvongiest Жыл бұрын
Her accounts were shared on the beginning of the video. She's Michelle Barker from Handbound Costumes
@angelal6700
@angelal6700 Жыл бұрын
Oyyyy, echo chamber! But still lovely to watch.
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
The reality of historical buildings…
@Bexinmo
@Bexinmo Жыл бұрын
Where is your accent from?
@monikameza4107
@monikameza4107 Жыл бұрын
From the U.K
@jodireid1467
@jodireid1467 Жыл бұрын
Originally Poland I believe
@natashatessier9247
@natashatessier9247 Жыл бұрын
So does Barbie movies take place in the 1730’s?
@Kiki_100
@Kiki_100 Жыл бұрын
I thought crinoline was made I the 1860s so then how was she wearing a dress with crinoline in the 1730s?
@sapphireseptember
@sapphireseptember Жыл бұрын
She explained she didn't have the right undergarments for the time period, she was just making do with things she has already.
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
You haven’t been listening to the video?
@sophiejones3554
@sophiejones3554 Жыл бұрын
She is wearing a crinoline in the 1860s style, which was itself based on the farthingales that were popular in the 1730s. She doesn't have the right undergarments because she doesn't wear clothes from the early 1700s very much. But the 1860s crinoline is the same shape, it's just constructed differently.
@loriupton5090
@loriupton5090 Жыл бұрын
These gowns had to have been for special occasions or for church on Sunday,especially as complicated as it is
@user-vy3yt2ol2y
@user-vy3yt2ol2y 7 ай бұрын
i wonder what a woman without a lady's maid would do.
@priorattire
@priorattire 7 ай бұрын
Would have a member if a family helping. Or wore a simpler gown
@loriupton5090
@loriupton5090 Жыл бұрын
Not to be rude and all, but what is the point of the train if all you're going to do is pin it up?
@scull7310
@scull7310 Жыл бұрын
I think it’s so that you have the extra fabric *to* pin up for the fancy folded effect Like the lady in gold was talking about sewing the folds in place and such
@Amanda_in_wonderland
@Amanda_in_wonderland Жыл бұрын
A wealth and status symbol, you could afford all that fabric so you could just fold it up to look fancy 😊
@elizabethclaiborne6461
@elizabethclaiborne6461 Жыл бұрын
People wore their wealth (they still do) and fabric was so expensive that all that extra fabric proofed up was the equivalent of an Hermes bag. It was all hand processed and woven, silk had to travel thousands of miles.
@wwaxwork
@wwaxwork Жыл бұрын
Showing off how rich you are. I can afford so much fancy silk I have to pin it up out of the way. Also it looks pretty. Fabric was very much a sign of wealth and in some part of the world there were even laws about who could wear what sort of fabric and furs, so if you weren't of the right class you couldn't wear that style or fabric, so you wanted to show off not only your wealth but your status.
@maryellenmorris8524
@maryellenmorris8524 Жыл бұрын
Too much echo in the room
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
that is what the inside of a baroque building sounds like....
@maryellenmorris8524
@maryellenmorris8524 Жыл бұрын
@@priorattire I understand. The visuals are wonderful but your valuable knowledge and discussion is lost to this listener, unintelligible. I have tried modifications on different devices to no avail. Sorry. Thought you would want to know about this great presentation.
@veronikavolhejnova5036
@veronikavolhejnova5036 Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly - I love these videos, but it's quite hard to understand sometimes, especially for a non-native speaker.
@msinvincible2000
@msinvincible2000 Жыл бұрын
The result is beautiful, but I feel sorry for the women who had to do this every day, and move and sit with tens of needles on them all day long
@Llamazone-Prime
@Llamazone-Prime Жыл бұрын
Could be worse, they could have had to wear bras or high heels to work. The clothes in the video look far more comfortable than half of modern fashion's.
@msinvincible2000
@msinvincible2000 Жыл бұрын
@@Llamazone-Prime High heels are rarely requested for jobs, and bras are awesome and comfortable. I even sleep with them every night.
@AnniCarlsson
@AnniCarlsson Жыл бұрын
​@@Llamazone-Prime exactly
@AnniCarlsson
@AnniCarlsson Жыл бұрын
​@@msinvincible2000 you sleep in a bra and think the women dressing like this had it terrible? Yeah right
@mastersnet18
@mastersnet18 Жыл бұрын
@@Llamazone-Prime to be fair bras are very comfortable if you get the correct fit.
@sharonross6039
@sharonross6039 8 ай бұрын
If this what the women wore just to work around the house?
@JessyNyan
@JessyNyan 8 ай бұрын
The women who wore this type of dress did not "work around the house"
@janecroughan9858
@janecroughan9858 Жыл бұрын
Shoes are too noisy, struggling to hear commentary
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
Put the captions on!
@thomaslaraa
@thomaslaraa Жыл бұрын
@@priorattire when watching the captions aren’t always keeping up or working on my iPad. It did help for me but I do agree it was hard to hear and understand.
@jonesnori
@jonesnori Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the captions were pretty imperfect this time. I missed a lot. It's more the echoey environment than the shoes, IMHO.
@debbralehrman5957
@debbralehrman5957 Жыл бұрын
What a smart idea. 😀👍🏻
@debbralehrman5957
@debbralehrman5957 Жыл бұрын
What a smart idea. 😀👍🏻
@v0kiki
@v0kiki Жыл бұрын
So much echo. Wear clip on mics and put a lot of fabrics or other material in the room before filming. It is such an easy fix but do not really on the mic of the camera
@bunhelsingslegacy3549
@bunhelsingslegacy3549 Жыл бұрын
I've heard what happens when fabric brushes up against those mics, and given that these women are actively working with fabric, where would Izabela clip it to avoid that?, I'd rather the echo...
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
yup, see Bun reply. plus we film in historical buildings - this is what it sounds there. authenticity! and if tricky to understand, simply put caps on ...
@Tam.I.am.
@Tam.I.am. Жыл бұрын
Couldn't really watch because of the out of focus, but have a thumbs up anyway.
@priorattire
@priorattire Жыл бұрын
Thee out of focus but is maybe about a minute in the middle - when we are not doing much anyway. The rest is fine :-)
@Tam.I.am.
@Tam.I.am. Жыл бұрын
@@priorattire Ahh. Maybe I'll go back to it someday.
@seattlegirl2077
@seattlegirl2077 Жыл бұрын
Oh, please next time film where it is easier to hear you.
@donsarde
@donsarde 6 ай бұрын
That is not 1730's more like the 1840s. Get your dates right.
@priorattire
@priorattire 6 ай бұрын
Lol.
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