Fitting the new Driftworks CS2 Digressive Coilovers to our E36 BMW M3

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Digressive Dampers - True Rear Track and Drift Coilover Suspension for the BMW E36.
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0:00 Intro
0:28 Digressive Dampers
0:41 True Rear Coilover and Offset Rear Top Mounts
2:25 What is a Digressive Damper?
4:08 The Offset Rear Lower Brackets
4:54 MonoTube Inverted Front Dampers
5:34 E36 Offset Camber Caster Adjustable Top Mounts
6:15 Spring Rates
6:42 Drift Specific Suspension
7:16 Helper Springs
7:40 Fitting a CS2 E36 Coilover Kit
9:34 Assembling the Rear Coilovers
10:25 Which Side is Which?
11:25 Setting the correct damper length
13:31 Showing the offset top mount position
14:37 Setting the rear ride height
15:25 Only adjust ride height on the spring perch
16:12 Our ride height measurements
16:28 Locking off the rear collars
17:01 Fitting the Front E36 Coilovers
17:41 Assembling the Front E36 CS2 Coilovers
18:24 Setting our Damper Length
19:30 Adjusting Front Camber Caster Top Mounts
20:15 Setting the ARB Drop Link Tabs
22:33 Locking Off the front collars correctly
24:33 On our alignment ramp
24:55 Looks Gooood!
25:35 Damping Settings
26:12 Summary Outro and Thanks

[@LuqmanRosley]

The rest of the car community needs to know the correct way to do coilovers height adjustment. Seen so many just adjusting the bottom bracket losing the actual bumpstop function. Hats off to phil for shedding some light into this

[@UKMechanic]

A lot of manufacturers instructions say to adjust the base height with the bottom adjuster and only use the spring perch for final corner weighting.

[@SteezyG]

Absolutely loved this. Proper balance of nerdy stuff and keeping it interesting. I've got an E46 so keen to replace my current set at some point. Added to the Christmas list to treat myself!

[@driftworks]

Cheers 👍

[@chrisg4rr377]

I've got a e46 m3 daily. I wish I went for the softer spring rate in the monopro. When your having a blast they are fine. When you come to order from driftworks, ping them a email to ask what they would recommend

[@shaun4585]

In need of a coilover renew.. my hsd's are really old and crusty now so will be looking out for an e46 non M true set, had the cs2's on a few Sylvia's back in the day too

[@jamest5149]

A suggestion, don’t use copper slip on aluminum, the copper is reactive and can cause galling. Lithium, Nickel or Aluminum grease is best 👍

[@JoshuaWhitman]

God I love this, gets me more things to put on a checklist for my M3

[@bigsema7598]

Thank you for those details of how to adjust rear Monopro on E36 on 17s👏👏👏

[@cheesepizza87]

Love an informative video, On the point of suspension not being drift car specific, id be interested to see how fast some drift cars would be with grip alignments

[@davegavin7914]

Fantastic from design to full explanation of product to set up fitting adjustment best on the web fellas 👍🏻😉🇬🇧

[@rab..]

Love a good chocolate digressive

[@mrmoss149]

Mad skill, Phil

[@tim205Mi]

Missed catching up with you guys at Goodwood, car looked great, was a great weekend…. 👍

[@gmbs81]

Sweet track weapon

[@patbecherer6112]

Looking forward to a 46m kit

[@328irossi]

Lovely piece of kit although “reinforcement plates WILL be required” , these bad boys will soon push through a 25 year old strut mount.

[@driftworks]

The car has had true rear coilovers fitted for years and many trackdays. I will be doing it at some though.

[@robertwilkinson7566]

Are the reinforcement plates a weld in item?

[@Riley180sx]

@@robertwilkinson7566yeah they are usually

[@travisfs7526]

@@robertwilkinson7566yeah it’s a good ideal to weld in a kit that will also turn into some sort of strut brace

[@lukepugh6334]

Will you be making an F80 Version? These are sick. The tech that went into these really shows you guys know your stuff!

[@driftworks]

It one that I'm working on as I've already spent months developing the improvments in the MonoPro kit.

[@ValladolidArde]

lovin this kit, thanks for the video

[@DanRalley]

The E36 has to be the quietest idling DW vehicle of 2024

[@jamieburke2541]

Quick question ive a e46 m3 with offset top mounts adding caster, i also have some z4m caster lower control arm bushings that i want to fit, is there any noticeable negative affects of to much caster? Love the content btw always learn something from you guys

[@jakehamilton9405]

These will warp or straight rip out your rear strut towers without reinforcements or at least a strut bar (and maybe with them if you’re in a rusty place). I have personally seen this with my own eyes at a local drift track with a different brand but same design, zero hate to what is probably a great product!

[@driftworks]

It can happen, but this car was extensively tracked for many years on true rear coilovers before we owned it.

[@Ali4994]

So what you're sayings is 'perfect for mounting the curb in your 323 with a welded diff', right?

[@gusbate1118]

What grease do you guys recommend to pre grease/protect the threads etc?? I notice the hsds had copper grease

[@driftworks]

We use all sorts. Copper slip is fine. silicon grease. I think the best was a protective bike chain lube.

[@angeloah]

I use metric when aligning and doing general measurement on my cars, I’m in America.

[@travisfs7526]

I’m looking to go to true rear coilovers on the compact for track use. Can I get these to fit? As it’s got the rear compact offset rear lower bracket I’m guessing I can?

[@driftworks]

Yeah they work on the compact 👍🏻

[@stephenspender787]

I've got a Z4M e85 as they are e36 front e46 rear could we build a kit of these to fit?

[@slammedsyndicate69]

Will you sell the offset top mounts ?

[@andrewbartlett975]

What load does the offsets on the mounts take or tested to . Same as oem I guess . Secondly does it cause any bend/ flex in the shock under load just my thoughts no hardship I want to learn. So many questions. Keep up the good work 💙💪

[@driftworks]

Same as stock, and all forces are still opposing so no flex.

[@hoonaticbloggs5402]

I gotta say , I don’t think the top shock mount of the body would be strong enough to support the whole weight of the car? I mean it’s only usually supporting the damper, the spring perch takes the weight of the car on a significant part of the chassis. I would only fit these if a cage was tied into the top mount otherwise the inner arch will distort to hell.

[@driftworks]

It's run true rear coilovers as a dedicated track car for years before we bought it. We will be doing the reinforcement though.

[@jessevasquez2774]

Do you guys do some for mk6 Jetta GLI ?

[@driftworks]

We are going to start some product development on HSD MonoPro for VAG stuff later this year.

[@martinrodger9565]

A lot of generic coil over kits seem to come with spring lengths that are too short for the damper stroke and coil bind can hit in compression before bump stops. I’ve chased this before pulling the springs off to understand the damper and bump stops. There is a ton to consider in setting up correctly. You have a corner weighted car with different ride height at each corner: do you not need to ensure the ARB drop links are free to rotate when the car is static on flat ground and not when at droop to ensure the ARB is not preloaded at static ride height?

[@driftworks]

Correct, it wasn't mentioned in the video, but all the settings that were transferred from the MonoPro kit had the anti roll bar drop links removed during corner weight and alignment & adjustments made with the wheels on the ground.

[@martinrodger9565]

@@driftworks Good good. So many little details to suspension which I’m just starting to appreciate. Too hard to cram all detail and caveats into an entertaining and short vid.

[@race-it]

Would the front be able to come with e30 top mounts or this kit is not fitting a e30 at all (with a 5 bolt hub from e36)

[@driftworks]

We have 1 pair of E30 black camber top mounts in stock and could swap them onto the CS2's. When completing the checkout. Just mention in the comments that you would like E30 Black front top mounts, as agreed on KZbin.

[@byGiNeSiToX]

A true coilover in the rear wouldnt mean more stress on the turret than intended from manufacturer? Just asking, they look stunning

[@s4ms0n1t3]

It would, reinforcement plates would be needed

[@hoonaticbloggs5402]

I thought the same . That metal there isn’t designed for the whole weight of the car. I don’t think even plates would be enough, the arch would distort

[@Audi0Surferz]

Do you believe that non-detented damper adjustment, a la Koni, is just antiquated at this point?

[@driftworks]

I don't think there's any neeed to not have a detent. It's pretty easy to include in an adjuster.

[@Audi0Surferz]

@@driftworks I agree, was surprised that koni's didn't have any.

[@janpedersen3588]

Do this set have tüv approval for road use in eu? And will they fit a e36 compact 323ti?

[@driftworks]

Customers have got thier cars through TUV with an information sheet we can provide showing spring rates and the application.

[@MrNjimmy]

Are you planning on releasing them for 350z at some point?

[@driftworks]

It might be one I look into later this year 👍

[@jonfollows7553]

Not a bot 🤖😂 ❤

[@eddiehp6108]

So whens phil getting an e36?

[@driftworks]

I have an AE86 to try and keep up with this.

[@andrewmartin49]

What's the chances of DW developing a HSD / CS2 kit for the Porsche 996 AWD platform?, good quality, sensibly priced coilover kits are very thin on the ground for these cars.

[@driftworks]

Unfortunately not likely. The work I have to put into the development needs to sell way more kits than we'd sell in 10 years to 996 owners.

[@migueldias1606]

What are the wheel specs?

[@jonwilliams6548]

Hi Phil can you give me any specs on this kit and the hsd kit as you are using them on the e30. I have a Ford Sierra with extremely similar set up to your e30 and was hoping I could get open and closed lengths etc. I want an inverted type kit and want to use this kit as I am using e34 bmw rear hubs and plan on using e36 front hubs, pretty much a carbon copy of your e30, any specs would be greatly appreciated as if I can use the kit I will purchase it. I may need the hsd kit as the top mount on rear of Sierra is a lot different and I’d struggle with having the adjuster there

[@zuze9112]

Can i get your old HSD ?

[@driftworks]

They will be available in the clearance section of the website soon.

[@DLAMedia46]

Wanna sell me those rear bottom brackets, so I don’t have to wait 2 months for a pair 🤷🏻‍♂️🧐😂

[@mrmoss149]

Easy there Jay, we're all brothers here. And I use both- not by choice, but out of necessity ( measuring units). It's ok to be different. By the way- wasn't the metric system started in France? I think the French might have a few names for you, too. 😂😂😂

[@JayDontGotThis]

Le Roast Beef being my favourite

[@vallevaan]

where are these made?

[@driftworks]

Made for us by HSD in South Korea.

[@JunglistMogwaii]

FYI there is no benefit to putting the spring on the rear damper, all that will ever do is add friction in the damper (basically reducing small input sensitivity and "plushness" and adding harshness in their place) due to the sideload from the spring and move the spring load path into places that are not designed to take the extra spring loads. Seperating springs from dampers is only ever a good thing from a damper performance perspective. You are now expecting the rear damper lower bolt (single shear IIRC) to deal with the spring loads on top of the damping and bump stop loads which would be my own major concern, primarily from a reliability perspective but also installation stiffness wise (i.e. the bolt will act even more like a spring that is undamped than it usually does = not great). Noting that E36's are also pretty well known for cracking strut tops does suggest this is a very retrograde step also... Secondly, it would be good to see dyno plots from both the HSD's and these dampers as you can pretty much guarantee they are both digressive in bump (maybe not in rebound) just as pretty much every OEM damper fitted as standard on pretty much all cars made in the last 20 years or so are. Its a good thing sure, but its really nothing special. I do love your video's as you do explain that you are not experts who love to muck around with cars, but just occasionally you do trot out some info that is really not great and this is one of those cases where the "upgrade" will only ever be retrograde in reality. P.S. I also once bought HSD Monopro's from you for my e46 wagon and they were OK. You really do have to tighten the locknuts on the ARB droplink attachment though or you lose tyres pretty quickly in the middle of corners...

[@craiggibson3523]

First to view 💪🏻

[@mrmoss149]

At about 6:36 in " we do do". 😂😂😂

[@maverick4177]

Interesting 🥱…………..long pause………..Borat enters the chat……..Nooooooooot