Crawler Canyon Presents: the ISDT ESC70... end of the line, no more, finito, no mas, it's over

A channel subscriber was kind enough to send me a new ESC70 with the newer hardware version, so we take it out on the rocks one last time. The last time, for THE LAST TIME.
IG: crawlercanyon

[@oldmanjeepingandbiking9621]

I'm sorry there are people out there that make you feel that you had to do this to yourself AGAIN.

[@mitsuman5555]

You reviewing things you hate makes for excellent content, I was chuckling all the way through this one. REDCAT NEXT PLEASE! 🤣

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Somebody get on the blower to Redcat and have 'em send me a Gen9, so I can complain about it at length! I kid you not, when I typed that sentence, I got a little shiver. 🥶

[@dkmgm2011]

I agree. I feel guilty for glee I've taken from the utter frustration this has caused the Canyon. "Nobody knows what it means! It's provocative! It gets the people goin!"

[@erwinadriaensen]

@@CrawlerCanyon Pease tell me more... What is wrong with a Redcat? I'm new to crawling and you have to save me from accidentally buying one... Besides that I'm sure it will provide great content😏😁

[@CrawlerCanyon]

@@erwinadriaensen Of all of Redcat's crawler offerings, the Gen8 is the only one approaching "sorta okay," and it still has matchstick axles. The Gen7 and the rest of the SCX10 clonery are all just bad, from the quality of the materials to the terrible geometry. They have somehow artificially elevated themselves from cheap cloner company to where they fancy themselves some kind of competitor to the "Big 3" (a Gen9 costs as much as an Ecto) and I don't get it. Redcat crawlers are cash pits, kings of the false economy, and I think to just be avoided. There are so many good options out there, I don't know why people suffer with Redcats.

[@CPPDIYJEEPXJ]

In my case, I was getting in the hobby to take the boys out with a friend. We started with the red cat Danchee, which short of having garbage tires, too much articulation, and very wimpy steering servos especially with the servo savers “spring loaded steering arm”, oh and the dual motor calibration is off “ Durring crawl the front will pull but the rear won’t till too much throttle is applied “ besides all that it was good and hung with my buddies element ecto on some obstacles. Then my son drove a Redcat gen 8 and fell in love. So he got one for Christmas. Then previously mentioned buddy bought a Gen 8 for his wife who showed no interest in the hobby. So he sold it to me for $225 still in the box. And then it started… performing alternate mods on each of the gen 8’s to compare and see if it helped or not? Getting info on the gen 8 and 9 site, real world crawling with friends, late night Amazon hail marries “ Guessing which parts would improve the vehicle’s “. And now I have your channel to learn/ let you do the hail marries for me. You are a true financial blessing. And thank you! Point being, it really does not matter what I started with, through lots of trial and err . And guidance from your channel and real would experience. My ultimate outcome will be a very purpose built Redcat that will probably only have Redcat batterie hold down straps and nothing else if that. The Redcat Got me in. But Crawler Canyon is going to help get me to we’re we want to be! Thank you Crawler Canyon for all the work you do for us.

[@northernlightsrc8994]

I've made a promise with myself to never own that esc 😂. Thank you for sparing me . You rock sir.

[@chavez4lsuable]

I just ordered this one tonight...researched more...watched your video...then cancelled my Amazon order. Thanks!😂

[@John.lakesrc]

I had a 1080 before getting one of these, had no trouble setting it up and connecting to my phone. I did have the motor glitch but just turned the drag brake down and that solved it.

[@WhiskeyRunnerOne]

It is not your fault that it took you 8 minutes to get the esc setup. That rc4gs is FHSS (frequency hoping spread spectrum). It’s causing interference with the Bluetooth and stomping all over the connection to your phone. That’s why it worked immediately after you turned the remote off. I’m not a fan of the esc70 but I am a wireless network engineer and that’s the nature of FHSS. It destroys WiFi and Bluetooth environments. It’s also why you could make changes in the app when the remote wasn’t close to the esc.

[@SivartCustomRCs]

Good on you for trying the POS70 again. Without a doubt, that ESC is glitchy AF. I'm 1/2 way through the show, but if you go full throttle and stop then try and crawl, it will lunge forward about 80% of the time. Like I've said before, I've spent hours on trying to work with that thing and still have issues.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

"the lurch." Yep, both I tried will just randomly give a like ZOINK out of nowhere, which is super helpful on technical lines, said no one ever.

[@mcsbikelife3829]

Same issue I had when I tried it , I quit it after I couldn’t get that glitch out

[@John.lakesrc]

Turn the drag brake rate down, I have mine set at 9.

[@STP_RIDGELINE]

Bro I totally agree with everything you are saying!! I was at my sister's in Kansas city Missouri and I was crawlin with the Kansas city crawlers and one guy tried to tell me all about that esc, so I watch him crawl with that esc but honestly it doesn't impress me at all I love the hobbywing products!!! I also use a whole lot of Holmes Hobbies products!!! Oh and the rhino esc and 9imod i will picking up thanks to your content luv your channel you rock!!! Keep making content I watch your channel everyday and every night and I'm not joking my wife says him again you don't watch anyone else lol🤣🤣🤣🤣 👍👊🔥💯

[@derrickhays3627]

It's your channel and your opinion if people don't like it they can go somewhere else, nuff said. Thank you for your time and effort.

[@GrimSpeedFPV]

Mr canyon! I know your done with this esc but I've found out something very important after getting mine that may solve most of your issues at least radio to esc communication. I have the same radiolink remote and receiver.thr rc6gs V3. The radiolink has same issue as frsky R9 does in fpv. If your radio is to close to your vehicle your car will not connect. Once I move my radio away some on desk everything works flawless. When your radio doesn't connect it will cause errors on app and give you hard time. Just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to make use of it. Working great here. 💯🤜

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Someone mentioned the FHSS/BT interference issue last year during my first tussle with the ESC70, and I even tried pairing with the radio off, or outside (and I'm in a metal building, Faraday cage style) but saw no change. The app is flaky, and they must have spent literal pennies on the BT module inside the ESC. I have a set of Sennheiser BT earbuds that will maintain perfect connection like... 100+ feet from the phone. In my (sadly not limited) experience, the ESC70 is just terrible.

[@GrimSpeedFPV]

@@CrawlerCanyon sorry to hear that man. After I figured out the radio to close and followed the directions in order this one works great! And p.s the updates will automatically pop up in a message if newer version is detected in app. Thought I'd let you know my experience and happy with purchase.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

@@GrimSpeedFPV I have no ill will toward anyone who has been miraculously spared the suffering I endured-- but as I've said before, at least in my mind this actually makes iSDT look even worse. They can somehow put out a ESC that seems to work flawlessly for one person, and a cosmetically identical one that is virtually worthless for another person. QC? Never heard of her. The doors of the Canyon shall never again be darkened by an iSDT product.

[@robertvukonich5003]

Just stick with the 1080. Works every time. Low tech isn’t fancy but reliable

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I have never had a single issue with a 1080 in any capacity, not once, ever. It may be the pinnacle of crawler reliability.

[@Overland_RC]

It seems like they're pretty hit or miss, which is honestly not surprising to me. I bought one last summer and the programming and connection aspects of it were basically flawless. I was out trailing and would frequently connect my phone to make small changes and adjustments and never ran into the same issues you did. I did end up replacing it with a 1080 because the downhill control was pretty poor, and gave the ESC70 someone who killed it in water on the first use. I do hope they eventually resolve all of the bugs and kinks because it has a lot of nice things to offer. As always I really enjoy how thorough and informative your reviews are

[@kash_rc]

Love the Ganesha idol ☺️🐘

[@jackhando5465]

Next time I see an ESC70 on one of your videos it better be in a blender!! Hobbywing 1080 all the way baby.

[@jackhando5465]

11 hours later and not one dislike...that's refreshing. Like you I thought that there would be quite a few. Friends don't let friends buy ECT70's..love that line

[@chriscord6524]

Stalwart defenders of the esc, where art thou?

[@fishnrc294]

Apparently their currently still programming it😂

[@dkmgm2011]

😂

[@FaithSaraG]

You're doing it wrong. The ESC70 works best with Boom Racing Hustlers stuffed with RC4WD foams.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I can hear... the sounds! MY god, the sounds!! 😫 🤢 🤮

[@mclarenf115]

@@CrawlerCanyon now that would make for a great show..lol👍

[@nikolus24]

Love the video even if I can't agree. Great content ! I will continue to run my 2x esc70s right alongside the 1080s. Not sure how my settings differ from yours but I've had a great time. I can agree the app is a little odd but there are far worse 😂 Great work, loved all the videos in this escapade.

[@WoodsUnknown]

I have this same unit in my trx4 sport and it has worked great so far. I like how quiet it is. I have never owned a 1080 yet so I can't compare, but i have seen how nice it works in your rigs.

[@brianmassey7563]

I wouldn't have tried as much as you did to get the ESC working. Just stick with the 1080. Once we move to software control we're going to be subjected to buggy apps and have to suffer through updates, and changes to get something that should just work via hardware. I have lots of issues with castle's phone app as well. I found my active drag brake had to be set around 15 to get good drag brake on a TRX4. I work in software, and the VP of our customer is always saying that the user experience is paramount regardless of what you can do.

[@durden.tyler537]

File those. In the black bin that is 2 inches the short. There has to be an ounce of self preservation in you, Doc.

[@erwinadriaensen]

So, it's not "Canyon Approved" 😢😅 One of your best vids! I was in tears 😂😂😂

[@deanboating2978]

Great video. I have come to trust your reviews. Even saved me from wasting money on the Flysky 7P. Thank you for your efforts.

[@northernlightsrc8994]

What about the gt5?

[@deanboating2978]

@@northernlightsrc8994 love the GT5

[@northernlightsrc8994]

@Dean's RC, drone & boating I've been in rc now 2 years. Mostly just did wheels tires and led. Just now getting into the meat and potatoes of things. Was looking at after market remotes and so far I was liking the gt5. Is that the best bag for your buck? Do they really eat batteries? 🤔

[@deanboating2978]

@@northernlightsrc8994 have had my GT5 for almost a year and am on the second set of batteries. I may not crawl as much as many but extremely happy with the GT5. Love the ease of the wheel and setting endpoints. Only reason for me to get another radio is for my RC4WD Bully 2. The GT5 can't do dual ESC and motor so for that either Radiolink 6 or Flysky Noble. Tale of 2 costs there if you look at them.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Lemme give you my take on the GT5: it is not nearly as capable as a Radiolink RC4/6, but it really just works. I can't really fault it. If you have a rig needing 4 or less channels, it's great-- I just pretend those knobs aren't even there. Almost all of my bashers are on GT5s now, and I have no plans to replace them. But the radios running those bashers are GT5s that have been gradually rotated out of crawler service, because I've come to want more channels, more adjustability, and more neat-o features. So if you already own a GT5, you didn't throw your money away, but in the future, take a look at the Radiolinks. I have over a dozen RC4s at this point. Oh, GT5s do eat batteries-- my thinking is it's because they only use 4 AAs, when most every radio is using six-- 50% less total capacity will usually give 50% less runtime.

[@bgredjeep]

My esc70 worked perfectly, unless you wanted a drag brake that could actually stop or hold the car on even a slight grade. No matter what programming options I tried, the car would roll down a hill, or off an obstacle instead of holding the position like any other drag brake would/should. Fusion Pro that replaced it has been prefect.

[@matusknives]

Well, I was thinking to get this ESC to to some mods on the 1/18 EazyRC Glacier, but I guess I will simply go and get the 1080 and be done with it. Oh and, btw, this video yielded an instant follow, haha.

[@jonenglish6617]

RCreview and exocaged rc gave this pos a glowing review. I dropped both of them after that.

[@haydnholder7090]

The center of the graph is you're "neutral" position on the transmitter

[@Brian_Mowry__BMOW71]

I think it’s safe to say that the ESC70 is Canyon UNcertified and I can now say that I will never own one. Long live the HW 1080! Thanks for the entertaining 36:53 minutes of humor!

[@Andy_Yates]

I hoped we would see improvement with the newer hardware version, and maybe this was incrementally better at some things, but yeah that drag brake wasn't. Compare this to a Hobbywing with the OTA programmer, and it's on another level. The OTA works every time for me and their app UX has been great.

[@travispratt6327]

My wpl mn99 stock esc had that “mushy” feel to it, I can’t stand it, for about a year I figured it was just a weak motor and didn’t even use it, but it’s not the motor, it’s the stupid esc, and I only figured that out after I used the esc to test a 540 motor on a rig with the wpl esc and it did the same thing. So I know exactly what you mean and I was very close to getting this but that “mushy” startup and low end feel is an absolute deal breaker.

[@grey-adventures]

Wouldn't dream of using this over a 1080. Card is far easier to use.

[@fluffynl3390]

first startup i think the led in the button broke

[@briankey9819]

I’d rather push mine like an old Tonka Dump Truck than use one of those 🤣

[@dkmgm2011]

Absolutely accurate.

[@adamrodgers2377]

Best reply EVER!!!! 😂🤣😂🤣

[@dezfan]

I love my ISDT Q6 Pro charger…but this ESC appears like an exercise in futility. I don’t have the patience or interest to deal with it. I have a several 1080s lying around, so the question then becomes, why bother? ISDT needs to step up their game in the ESC world if they want to be a contender to the 1080. Much less the leader in the field. Thanks Johnny.🤣

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I just picked up another Fusion SE 1200 from Amain, and while installing it (and dropping another 1080 into the spares bin) I started thinking, "how much longer has brushed even got?" An SE is 70 bucks, a Rhino + 3542 is around 100. The ESC70 would have to first of all work, and second work so well as to be almost unbelievable to even be considered as an option. As someone who has suffered with the ESC70 more than most, I don't see the point of it at all.

[@dezfan]

@@CrawlerCanyon the SE might just be the last nail in the coffin?

[@roblowrie1969]

I have 2 of these ESCs, and both have had failures of the Bluetooth modules, so they are both as useful as a tiny brick!! I have to say, when I first got them, they did work ok, and after watching numerous KZbin videos on them, finding out how to set them up correctly!! Neither work now, as I can't trim the throttle to a point where it thinks it's zeroed, and therefore will allow it to work!!! 😡

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Honestly, had it worked decently from the go, the ESC70 still wouldn't get a recommendation from me, simply because of the app slaving. That's technology moving in the wrong direction, AFAIC. I've had constant issues with any device that relies on another device (usually a phone) to update itself, set parameters, what have you. There's always this point where the software/firmware in one just all of a sudden becomes incompatible with the other. So one day, the iSDT Go software won't be updated, it will stop working on phones, and then the ESC is a paperweight. A simple program card never goes out of style.

[@roblowrie1969]

@@CrawlerCanyon absolutely. I wouldn't use another one of these, even if someone gave me it! I have a number of HW1080s running in my cars, and I wholeheartedly agree about the programming card. I certainly won't be wasting any more of my money on them again. 👍🏻

[@MangoJim90]

Interesting moment I have with this esc - bought it in April this year, made some changes in app, all is good and today I just decided to play some more with its settings and.....I couldn't connect to this esc)) it blinks blue but there the app doesn't see esc. In Bluetooth device search list it sees it with the name "isdt1esc70" when the esc is in connection mode (blink blue) and "isdt0esc70" when the connection time is over, usual working state (solid green). O____o. Thats it😅 at least it saved my frequency settings😂 reinstalling the app, cleaning caches, rebooting do nothing 🤪

[@CrawlerCanyon]

That was my primary complaint about the ESC70-- that I could fuss and fight with it for hours and never get it to work, while someone else goes, "Well, mine works perfectly." That should be a cause for concern. That means the QC is effectively non-existent, and no one knows exactly what they're going to get. Mine was permanently retired when it would forget every time the transmitter was switched off. I would have to recalibrate the radio, the whole thing. It's not worth it.

[@MangoJim90]

@@CrawlerCanyon yep, back to 1080

[@WoodsUnknown]

I have to go to my Bluetooth on my phone and pair the device through my settings and then go to the app and then it generally will find it.

[@kennethrobinson9008]

You are absolutely correct! Do not buy.

[@gibsonlife573]

No all phones now don't have SIM card

[@EddieDesigned]

If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work! Fool me once, fool me twice...

[@dkmgm2011]

Man, this comment section is getting LIT! Best thing to come from this product is the unified hate toward it. Delicious. 🤤 Can we all just agree that bushed equipment is going the way of rotary telephones? Let's end the madness people. We have the technology.

[@CPPDIYJEEPXJ]

I need your opinion on motor/ ESC. I’m running a hobby wing 1080 with a Holmes hobby 13 turn 5 slot crawler on my red cat gen 8. My friend has an Element se with a fusion se 1200, and it is so smooth!!! My question is after watching your resent videos would you rather do a fusion se 1200 for $70. Or a 3542 9imod out runner $35. A Rino 70 amp esc $70. Rino programmer plug $10. Should be able to use my kids laptop to set up. Roughly $115. My plan is to do a $65. Amazon Kevlar LCG kit and a $30. Amazon center mount non-dig, non-2 speed transmission. 2200 3s battery mounted between the front shock mounts. I also have a new set of KLR/M tires and my dessert lizards are set to droop. Rear axle touches frame rail and front axle as low as I could get it. Other that throwing away the red cat that you despise and starting over with let’s say a vanquish, Lol. which motor / esc combo would you recommend if you had my set up? Oh and I’m on the face book gen 8and 9 site. And aside from very little parts available, the gen 9 seems to leaves a lot to be desired, but I would love to see Redcat send you one to test on your proving grounds. Thank you for all you do for us viewers, and have a great day!

[@CrawlerCanyon]

The drawback to any outrunner setup is "survivability." They are open to potential threats that inrunners or 2-in-1s (like Fusions) simply are not. So if you're building something as a pure rock crawler, I would say Rhino + outrunner. But if that rig is gonna go "out in the world," I'd still lean toward the Fusion SE. Simple wiring, clean install, and as close as we have to "set it and forget it." That Gen8 is portal, correct? Then it's the SE 1800. The 1200 would be SLOW. If you're going the dedicated route and the outrunner, I'm not sure on the appropriate KV as I don't know what the FDR is on the Gen8. Lots of folks like something in the 2250 range, I'm more of an 1800 and under guy.

[@CPPDIYJEEPXJ]

Yes gen 8 is a 2 : 1 portal. I run the 12 tooth pinion with 3s. It came factory with 17 tooth. Not sure what the factory spur gear is, but it’s stock. The weight is roughly 8 lbs with 2200 battery, and 1.2 lbs factory body with trimmed inner fender wells on body and no inner fender or running boards on frame. I am also a fan of slow. But I do also need speed to up right , drive out of endos, and launch when slow fails. Sorry for off the top of my head verbiage. I just watched your fusion Se 1200kV to 1800kV comparison, and at the end you mentioned a 1800kV swap on one of your brushed portal vehicles. Maybe I should hold off and purchase the Amazon LCG kit you did a review on not long ago. And wait for the results of your comparison?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

@@CPPDIYJEEPXJ the 1800 went into a VFD Twin mated to TRX-4 axles, and it is SLOW. I had to go up 4 teeth on the pinion just to get some wheelspeed back. I personally wouldn't put the 1200 on anything portal'd, as the amount of gear reduction will result in a ridiculously slow top speed. If I put a 9T pinion on the VFD Twin, I don't think that rig could even make 1.5mph-- with an 1800. With the 1200, under 1mph for sure. The Canyon is down to a trio of brushed rigs, just 3 out of 24. Meanwhile, something like 14 Fusions.

[@CPPDIYJEEPXJ]

So if I go with the fusion 1800. For $70. I could almost get the generic Amazon LCG set for about the same price as the 3542 out runner set up previously mentioned. Didn’t you say something about the traxxas portals being lower than 2:1? Oh and from your experience with low center of gravity frame builds, do they generally require different links and driveshafts? Thank you for your input and videos for that matter. I’m sure the red cat guys and gals also appreciate you as well!

[@CrawlerCanyon]

@@CPPDIYJEEPXJ I just know that when you put TRX-4 axles even where another portal used to be, it gets slower. So the portals are probably still 2:1 (iv'e never counted the teeth) but those are some slow axles. When I converted Yella to the Amazon LCG I didn't use the included skid and just used the Element skid I already had, so none of the link lengths changed-- but if you use any skid other than what you're using now, link lengths will change. If you're talking about the skid-forward LCG (what I used for the Colonel) you're gonna have to change most everything.

[@nicholasstephey8475]

I run 2 of the Isdt chargers But this thins scares me.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Many folks have said (here, elsewhere on KZbin, and the internet at large" that iSDT should "stick to chargers."

[@jasonphillips5475]

Very glitchy and I have the updated version.

[@JPWirt]

So, what you're saying is...next puffy LiPo gets taped to the OG ESC70, taken out to the desert and puts on a show?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Ohh boy, now I hope one of the "big" packs takes a dive, so we can see the ESC70 take a ride on 6S.

[@JPWirt]

@@CrawlerCanyon can't wait for that! 6S to tha Moooooon!!

[@dkmgm2011]

​@@CrawlerCanyon bruh! Please make good on this comment. 😂

[@francotarantino982]

Ok, different subject. I see a lot of 1.9's on 2.2 rims. I have a set of cut canyon trails that I would like to try this set up on. I don't have money to waste, I'm in education. I cannot find much info about the performance of this, other than how to mount them. As none of my students might say - "Mr. T, educate me !" If you have a minute, please discuss this.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

This is done to decrease sidewall height, and then improve sidehill performance. The Canyon Trail isn't an exotic compound, so it's not a real "squidgy" tire, and does not fold over very much, so I don't know if the overall performance will get better or worse. Better inserts will guarantee better performance.

[@francotarantino982]

Cool, Thanks. I would still love to watch a video on it from you.... Since I watch all of your content. Also, wish you had a T-shirt, so I can represent !

[@robertpullen515]

I threw mine in the trash and ordered another 1080! 16:05

[@Lokithefeline]

your not dealing with that much current, what is the problem with thickness hehe

[@thindigital]

Well first, I really hope you don't get dislikes, I mean wtf is that about. It's such a shame they crapped the bed on this release, I got mine because it was half the price of a 1080 and my budget is tight. Fortunately mine worked (after some faffing) although the app is not well written. It doesn't have the consistency to compete with the 1080. Some worked and people got a great value capable ESC, some didn't. Some phone and hardware combos? Who knows, as you said it's not for the user to troubleshoot, ISDT should have done that. I do look forward to your review of the ESC90 though! (they made one)

[@stepanek223]

Drag brake disabled.. you were setting wrong parameters, next time check manual.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I'm glad that I'm far enough removed from this to laugh about it. That ESC is garbage. If yours works (for now) congratulations. The HW 1080 is objectively better in every performance category, but boy are people ready and willing to defend the ESC70. If you could buy the iSDTs for $10 I still wouldn't recommend them.

[@fishnrc294]

Are you freaken kidding me I’d be cussing for sure. I was considering trying one but no thanks I’ll stick with a 1080 the new one has the phone tuning app like this one. It doesn’t seem like they’ve worked the bugs out.

[@gibsonlife573]

I would rather spend good money on a good product that takes care of me and my need to the mess around trying to save money and buy something that I have to shoot into the dark and not know

[@andrypatra3474]

Apa esc ini ada yang asli dan palsu

[@francotarantino982]

I will NOT buy an esc70. Thank you for the information.

[@themountain59]

Lol ..masochism as its best 😂

[@gibsonlife573]

That's the thing you can't listen to these damn comments man if you tried and done exactly what I said then how is the comments even correct

[@johngleason9667]

Isdt 70 is hot garbage I got one when it came out I have 12 crawlers all running hobbywing brushed and brushless love them

[@StubbsRC]

People's confirmation bias is real. And it's crippling 😂 laugh or cry amiright?

[@idiot_RC]

The people who defend this piece of crap amaze me. I've had horrible experiences like yours with the initial release, but the later release does work better...and it's still a terrible ESC. Programming issues and Bluetooth gimmick aside, there's really no better way to describe it than you already have...it drives like an RTR ESC. I guess if you're more into trailing or don't do much actual crawling it would get you by, but at that point I don't know why you wouldn't either just use the ESC that came with the truck, or spend the extra $20 and get a 1080. An overly complicated RTR quality ESC that, even when it works perfectly, is still buggy and unreliable, and costs more than half of what the second-best brushed ESC on the market costs...this just doesn't have a place.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

I've started to arrive at a position of "who is this thing even for?" It encourages the old "nickel and dime," where people end up paying what they perceive to be a small amount, but end up spending far more in the long run as if you do this for awhile, you find out that a $25 ESC paired to a $20 motor is better than what came in the RTR to begin with. I can't conceive that anyone supporting the ESC70 has ever driven a Fusion or an outrunner setup, because the ESC70 doesn't even compare. Not even close. Some folks live by an adage of "cheaper is better," where I've reached a point where it is 100% more accurate to say "cheaper is cheaper." And take that from a guy whose overall favorite tire is a tuned-up Canyon Trail. If the (arguably) best brushed ESC you can buy is $43, what does anyone really gain by trading $18 in "savings" for a buggy product shaped like a headache?

[@idiot_RC]

​@@CrawlerCanyon in all honesty, I think a lot of people who defend the ESC70 are bandwagoneers who don't even own it, and a lot of the others are just trying to avoid admitting they wasted their money. I also think a lot of people only have RTR equipment to compare it to and have not even driven a 1080 much less the other configurations you mentioned, so, not to say their opinion doesn't matter, but their experience isn't exactly relevant in terms of what an "upgrade" is. I've given the thing several opportunities just as you have, and they've pretty well made their way through my local crawler group, and out of 18 people, one guy likes it, and he's absolutely the type to say an Axial RTR brushed motor is as good as a Team Brood or Holmes...delusional people just trying to validate their delusions, pure and simple. Like I've told everyone who's talked up the ESC70 to me...the 1080 is the baseline to which all brushed ESC should be compared, and even when it's working as well as it can and you ignore the bugs and gimmicks, the ESC70 simply doesn't perform as well. $25 isn't cheap enough to justify putting up with it...MAYBE if it were $9.99.

[@JViello]

Credit to you that you listened to your viewers and tried it again. The fail here IMO is you and this ESC are just not really compatible. You're a middle aged guy who's tech..."competent" not tech "savvy". To be honest the fact you're middle aged and running an iphone speaks to that. That's okay. There are kids 18 who would fly through the settings and be like "duh, that wasn't hard" and to them, it wasn't. Does that make this a bad product? I don't think so, I think it's just not for you. Some of the settings you were in I was facepalming a bit because I know if you were shown how it works you'd probably be like "Oh for crying out loud...that's it? That's what that does?" The Hobbywing is foolproof for the most part. Some people love that, others like things more complicated...or at least having the options to screw around. Not every product is for everyone. I don't own this thing, never heard of it until you talked about it actually but I might pick one up just to play, it looks neat. I've wasted $25 on worse things. LOL Wost case I'll use it in a rig for my 8 year old daughter to play with her older brothers. PS. You should look into some of the more complicated settings of your transmitter. They do a lot of the same things you see in the app with the same scales and axis' etc. You're missing out on a lot of adjustment.

[@dkmgm2011]

Sweet synopsis Dr Freud. Nothin like a backhanded comment to make you feel superior. 🎉

[@JViello]

@@dkmgm2011 You would know there kippers, seeing how that's exactly what your only purpose is here...You/Mirror

[@dkmgm2011]

@@JViello I'm sad now. 😭

[@JViello]

@@dkmgm2011 I'm sorry, I forgot to put the clown face. 🤡 Better now?

[@dkmgm2011]

@@JViello no, you've done irreparable damage to my mental state. I'll never be the same.

[@idworkhard]

I was enjoying it as a race driver esc but i kept in my car overnight in -10C, and the bec quit. It does the initial chime but never powers up the receiver so its useless. Did you or amyone come across this issue?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

There were times when I would have to power-cycle it a half dozen times just to get it to turn on. I definitely had a delay between startup tones and when the light on the receiver came on, so I think you just got the next worse stage of that. You could always run an external BEC, which would cost more than you paid for the ESC70. 😏