DRIVER BRACKET // TSR3 VS ZX5 LS

[@ianfrasergolf]

Love that there are so many…… passionate views out there. The miss hits are part of the bracket as much as they are part of play on the golf course. We called it before the match started that this one would be really close and so it proved to be. Congrats to Srixon 👏🏻

[@erock1070]

Ian-- I think you'd have to agree that the Srixon in that current setup would be pretty dicey on the course due to the sub 2k spin. All I am saying are those really low left ones would be big time trouble on the course. so its hard for me to say the ZX5 LS won for you. I know I know, you guys have to perform a test and there would be 100 different ways you could do it so you have to pick one. So I won't pile on anymore. I guess I have been burnt way too many times on the monitor. one for example was a super light weight Cobra Fmax Airspeed driver that spun at 1600 for me and all I did was hit but push hooks that went for days. Longest distance I have ever seen out of a driver on a monitor. got one in with the same setup and on the course it lasted all of one round as I couldn't keep it on the map being 2 fairways to the left. Ball just fell out of the sky. I feel like that was the ZX5 LS today

[@ianfrasergolf]

@@erock1070 I don’t disagree. I’m certainly not changing my gamer to The Srixon based on this test, it’s less than a dozen shots with each Driver. That’s why the Bracket is designed FOR FUN.

[@jpxst180s6]

@@erock1070 I have this Srixon driver and it’s not that penal on the course , get it set up right and it’s a great driver , it’s funny when I got fit I couldn’t get going with the tsr3 , I’d the same shaft a black smoke in the two and Srixon I just found more forgiving

[@erock1070]

@@jpxst180s6 I am not saying the Srixon was a bad driver; any driver today when properly fit is going to work well. all I was saying was I think the low left miss of the Srixon would be trouble on the course for Ian and how that configured club went for him. with the way they are testing it, the couple of long low spin ones trumped the more consistent TSR3, for him. But like Ian said, I shouldn't dive into all of the mechanics of the test as this is just a for Fun test. At least its refreshing that they are not trying to push any certain OEM with biasing the test

[@scotthansen4692]

I have played the Srixon all year last year, it is a solid club all around. I moved from Stealth and never have looked back. This club is worth a test. I go back to what the boys always say "the best club for you is the one fit for you". :)

[@banditbaker1675]

Even though I don't play anymore I still look forward to the Driver Bracket👍👍

[@lawbinson]

What have you taken up since quitting?

[@banditbaker1675]

@@lawbinson Nothing extra, I still walk daily and do a daily exercise regime. Due to some age-related vision issues, Golf was becoming difficult and frustrating so, unfortunately, these days when I go for my walk the clubs stay home👍👍

[@enickma]

@@banditbaker1675 ... Well after all, Golf is a good walk spoiled 😉

[@brianberg7798]

I like watching the driver bracket! We all should know it’s all in fun and just because one driver beat your favorite it doesn’t mean you should all be butt hurt about it! All these drivers are so close now, just pick one that looks and sounds the best and go have fun.

[@BigAlby]

Based on the Dark Ops review you did, I think that would have beat the TSR3 as well. The fact that you aren’t used to hitting the Srixon vs. your gamer and it still won is really impressive.

[@BigAlby]

@@dronepocket325 explain

[@erock1070]

@@BigAlby it was lower spinning for him and wasn't that far off line. Launch monitor darling like the Srixon is. So he produced some really big shots with it.

[@user-kx2xf2sb9l]

@BigAlby pretty sure with his gamer Tsr3 he uses a ventus shaft, so the fact it was a different shaft for the test made it more neutral.

[@BigAlby]

@@user-kx2xf2sb9l He said right at the beginning of the video that the Tour AD is his gamer shaft. He also said it in the Black ops review.

[@LegacyAirTech]

@@erock1070 lower spinning and less offline means better driver though? Thats like saying Car A was faster and handled better, but Car B was better. You have to explain what Car B did to make that claim…or else its not actually better lol

[@chrisroche3491]

I've kinda been telling everybody about LS for a year !! hahah nice one boys #TEAMSRIXON W

[@todpharis4996]

Now make it in a Lefty FFS!

[@ariesnc6320]

I will be buying the LS or the Blackops. I’ve had a Blackops fitting already but waiting till after the Srixon fitting.

[@vietnameeh]

Loved my LS but I couldn’t keep it in the fairway 😅

[@ariesnc6320]

@@vietnameeh I’m gaming the Srixon Z785 driver.

[@vietnameeh]

@@ariesnc6320 try to new zx5 The ballspeeds are great!

[@Sean_Farmer]

I just got fit for a driver and it was the TSR3 with a Ventus TR Black. It was the best feeling, sounding, and performing driver for me (and IMO best looking).

[@sttteve]

The silence and disappointment of Titleist losing 😂 The TSR3 is still the best driver I've ever gamed by a mile. The performance, dispersion, feel, sound, looks it's the whole package.

[@SnoopyGolf]

Don’t pay much attention to this their goal is to sell you more clubs. Look at Ian’s TSR 3 numbers in the past he’s hitting it worse now. Exact same club but he’s hitting it worse this year. If this video is just for fun and content that's fine but don't take the bracket too seriously for your next driver purchase. If you compare his average numbers from old videos with similar swing speed to the Srixon, TSR 3 still wins.

[@TenPester]

Thanks for ruining it. Don't need to watch it now.

[@stephendibari5010]

@@TenPester me too. I game TSR3 and was hoping it will go all the way to the finals

[@jameslaughter5183]

@@TenPester You read the comments first?

[@TenPester]

@@jameslaughter5183 I have a 34” widescreen monitor. I couldn’t help seeing it. It was right there on the screen.

[@joeyjoejoeshabadoo]

The TSR3 is my first ever Titleist driver, after playing taylormades and cobras. From my cold dead hands you will take the TSR3 driver. Best club ive ever had by a mile.

[@reese1153]

@@dronepocket325 @joeyjoejoeshabadoo SAME....TSR3 FTW

[@Taos1132]

So glad I avoided the comments before watching the video! A bracket-buster for sure! I guess I need to try that Srixon driver!

[@erock1070]

So a couple things on the testing methodology. First off, take 5-10 min and at least try and self fit each of the 8 heads. That way you give the head its best chance of succeeding. Just because a shaft works in Head A doesn't mean it works in head B. You guys know that better than anyone. Next up, there needs to be more of a penalty for hitting offline. If the ball goes off the grid mark it off -40 pts etc. That Srixon would be unplayable on a Course with sub 2k spin and all of the toey dippers. Rooting for the shot to miss the grid is flawed as well.

[@jimvoelz7444]

And the battle begins!! Fabulous!!!

[@iainreid6602]

The brand snobbery in the comments says it all. The ZX5 LS has rated in top 3-5 drivers across countless reviews over the last year and still folk are more interested in the badge. Huge amount of non contract tour players play Srixon irons, which are some of the best feeling irons on the market. Even more have the utility irons in the bag. Srixon even won more majors than Taylor made last year😂 Maybe if folk look at these results and others and think about trying brands they haven’t previously they might find something that helps their game, or they can continue to go around with their head up their arse and worry about the logo🤷🏻‍♂️

[@discr1709]

TSR3 is the better driver, but that doesn’t mean Srixon drivers are bad.

[@MarcAs11]

I’ve tried everything, these new MKII are up there with the best for sure. Currently gaming a Zx7 Mark II with a Red Velocore and it’s a beast of a setup !

[@ianfrasergolf]

Very good heads, we’ve been saying that for over a year.

[@JLong2544]

I hope you can do the same with the regular swing speed 90mph. With fast swing speed any clubs can deliver good results and they are just a few yards apart. Right clubs is more important for slower swing speed.

[@davidlewisTN]

Upset Special 🎉

[@WilliamFrogge]

Used a ZX5 LS last spring when I was visiting Phoenix and I really liked the driver. One of the best feeling drivers I have ever used

[@nokian-vy4tg]

I pleaded during Monday live and I got my wish, Thanks Guys! Srixon ZX7 would have not stood a chance, too spinny and unforgiving! Had both, have the ZX5 LS (10.5, needs loft) and it's a Beast 💪 ! Long live the NEW KING 👑! 😂

[@stephendibari5010]

TSR3 is in my bag was pulling for it to go all the way to the finals. That one shot pulled left that nearly went off the fairway did it in

[@InsuranceSpecialist]

Wow, what a tight race. That srixon spun too low to keep straight...one was 1100🤯 gotta loft it up and it dominates

[@pickitupgolf276]

I know there's too many models, but would love to see the ZX7 vs TSR4 and the TSR2 vs the Regular ZX5 too

[@iMc404]

I reckon outdoors the results may have been different without GC quads sub 2000 spin bonus

[@jordancalanchini3496]

Not to say the tsr3 isn’t forgiving but personally for someone who is scratch, I don’t hit the middle of the face every time. Where I struggled with my tsr3 when I mis hit it is the spin jumps all over the place and I think that was shown here in this video. My tsr2 manages spin on mishits much better and I think that’s why some really high speed guys like Ludvig Aberg and Gordon Sargent play the tsr2 when I think most woikd expect them to be in the 3

[@robbiewhite2351]

I’m not brand loyal at all. Every club in my bag is different. I game TSR3, its the best driver I’ve ever put in play.

[@dougmael]

WOW - Starting the 2024 Driver Bracket with a shocker! The King has quickly been dethroned in an early upset.

[@dougmael]

BTW, because my bad misses are 95%+ low left pull-draws (or even push-draws when I adjust my club path to start my tee shots further right), this Srixon driver would almost certainly be a bad fit for me (at least in the as-tested configuration). However, I am sure that this Srixon driver has great potential when properly fitted and configured.

[@TrevorDandy.]

Rest easy. The TSR3 is a better driver and is still king of the mountain.

[@FlyOverGolf]

I wait for this bracket every year! LET'S GO!!!!!

[@Thebreaks23]

The Sim is set to 3 Wood on the TSr3?

[@LegacyAirTech]

Everyone is making excuses for the TSR3, but if Ians swing was off, that means it was off for the Srixon too so those results should also improve if it was Ians swing on the day. The bracket is for fun, they have separate dedicated reviews for each club that go in depth for a reason. If a Taylormade driver won the bracket everyone who got fit into a different club would still have their reasoning for why that club is better for them. Lighten up a bit and take this as a sign that Srixon might be slept on in the west and its actually a really good club

[@enzy6434]

He could have altered his swing / club delivery in order to try and hit the Srixon with better launch conditions and had it cause him to begin hitting the Titleist really spinny and just off. Although there's no doubt the ZX5 driver is really good.. this was already known last year it was a great driver.

[@LegacyAirTech]

@@enzy6434 if anything, Ian was maybe altering his swing to try and make the TSR3 win and it backfired, since its his current gamer and hes been touting for almost a year now that the TSR3 is his favorite driver on the market. I can see a world where the TSR3 was clearly losing after the first set or two of balls and Ian tried to overcompensate. However I dont think thats the case, I think as good as Ian is hes not a robot and his swing was just off. Bound to happen from time to time.

[@Murf1802]

Nice job guys, Great swing , Great finish, you were getting after those drives,very impressive, Congratulations srixon, i game the TSR 3 i probably should be playing the TSR 2 but one look at the 3 and it was an esy decision so im bias with Tietilist, Tietilist made the upgrade in shafts very affordable for the average buyer, the upgraded shaft was only $150 extra, so nice job Tietilist,i know that doesnt mean much to some people but if anyones priced upgrades thats a great deal ,could be half off normal price, best looking driver in my eyes,Tietilist customer service is outstanding, just a great company! excited to see your gamer for 2024 if theres a change! TSR3 could be the best driver ive seen idk ,can i say ever,, Thanks again, id take anyone one of those drives you hit today and be extremely happy!

[@johnverheyen812]

You know that I know that you know TSR3 is a better driver. Now that my horse has been put out to pasture, I don't care who wins the bracket since I not buying anything but the new Titleist TSx3 driver that will come out later this year. 😂😂🤣🤣 Also could use a new TSx3 fairway after gaming the TSi2 the last several years (I think I like to flight of a more forward flighted 3 wood).

[@enzy6434]

Were you maybe consciously or subconsciously changing your club delivery trying to adapt to hitting the Srixon with a bit more spin only to have it affect your swing with both drivers? Thats really weird to see you hitting 3000+ spin with the TSR3, lol. Something just seemed off. Either way, that Srixon is a great driver!

[@joevorachack3791]

True test would be with a robot. Each driver swung at 85, 95, 105, 115 mph because I am thinking each model with their different version will perform different based off different swing speeds. Then, we hit all at 9 points: toe high middle low, middle high middle low, toe high middle low. With this, we can get more specific in picking a driver base on our personal misses. This results are specific too Ian swing.

[@pacypacman]

Instead of using your calculation of the counting, 1 meter offline equal 1 yard loss. You should use PINGs shots gained program on Ping Co-Pilot instead. You basically just tap in your distance and std deviation offline. and you will see which driver that gets best shots gained.

[@anthonykuskie7626]

Great video. I appreciate you guys putting in the work and glad to see you guys having fun doing it. 👍

[@enickma]

The fix is in 😉

[@Cheddarsharp]

Everyone’s brackets are ruined and it just makes it all that more exciting!!! I thought the left side was the clear cut side and the right side was equally stacked top to bottom. Now we are in the real Wild West, where I cannot even guess either side. 🤣 Love it!

[@steelwarrior105]

As someone who is titleist in my long clubs and Dunlop in the rest of the bag. I can't root for one or the other in good faith

[@jasonwinslow3543]

Wow... what a way to kick off the driver bracket!

[@scotthirschausen177]

just a question, would the titelst being down as a 3 wood have nay effect on the data ? cause the zx5 was as a driver and the tsr3 was a 3 wood

[@ChandlerTingle]

Are you gonna review the new Autoflex?

[@mvansb23]

Would have loved to have seen the impact location for the two groups.

[@andershaukoos]

The champ goes down!!! Srixon is a sleeper!

[@squeakierowl23]

I also noticed that the TSR3 spin rate was all over the place, as the Srixon was alot more consistant

[@LegacyAirTech]

@@dronepocket325 i dont think it was done purposely, you could see the disappointment on his face when it lost in the first round, Ian definitely wanted to keep saying the TSR3 was still the best. The fact of the matter is. Sometimes your swing is off and the TSR3 is not a forgiving driver. If someone as good as Ian has an off day - all of us do. And the Srixon won on that day which is valid for overall performance

[@jamiegaff6150]

@@dronepocket325 Even if he did have an off day with the tsr who cares, its still pretty much the best driver on the market its not like they are going out and telling people not to buy it.

[@TheStaniG]

Cant WAIT to see the Callaway AI Smoke Max. I tried that against every head here and BOY its something special.😊

[@corp3202]

I made this switch last year from TSR3 to ZX5 LS…..loved the TSR3 stop have it but just can’t ignore what zx5 does on course for me personally.

[@stuartriddell3906]

Damn...Titleist Out in the first Round!!! Might have to leave some space in the Bag Ian ? How will a Srixon Headcover look in your Bag this year? LOL. It looked like a nice Flat ball flight, handy on Firm Fairways Lo Spin Bomber.. Would love to see the numbers on this. Thanks for the great content....

[@jamesgoffredo1021]

Did you post on what loft you were playing each head in the test?

[@DoctorJedi]

Thanks mike and ian.

[@JimEPea2]

I game the Ping G430 max. My favorite gamer ever. Most forgiving driver I’ve ever had and I still carry it 300+

[@edj9961]

Looks pretty clear that srixon performed better today

[@ogshu2740]

Why does it say driver for the strixon on the bottom left and 3 wood for Titleist? Could that help the numbers for the Titleist?

[@spothos]

I currently game the Srixon LS and was fit into a medium flight shaft and had to go up in loft compared to other ones I tried.

[@DrPapa14]

Nooooooo! Having trouble with this. I love my tsr3.

[@dabdias]

This series of comments is one of the funniest I have seen in this channel! The passion for “bracket fairness” is quite something 😂

[@pdaero]

Your swing was out of sorts for the whole test which makes it really tough to see an apples to apples comparison. I would almost want to see another identical test where hopefully contact was more consistent - strikes with the ZX5 were more centered where many TSR3 were really low per the spiny strikes.

[@ariesnc6320]

He’s a human not a robot! Strike want be exact with both drivers every time. It’s a driver bracket, watch and enjoy it for what it is. Doesn’t mean any of the drivers are bad. Go try them for yourself if you’re looking to buy.

[@raymondm4441]

Needed a 10.5 turned open to make it really shine.

[@PauloG100]

The numbers are what they are but the first 5 shots with the ZX5 looked horrible to me, whereas the TSR3 was dead straight, as I expected it to be. I could never play that ZX5, I would be hunting for balls on the left all day.

[@nhill31]

I like the upset.

[@toddlittle926]

The air just went out of the room, I'll bet 9 out 10 given the option would walk away with the Titleist

[@zekebones34]

Don’t remember ever seeing Ian spin a driver 3300+ yet just so happened to do it with the TSR a few times

[@ianfrasergolf]

@@dronepocket325you’re just spamming this whole comments section today. I caught a few low on the head with the Titleist, it’s a miss I have with the Driver. If I miss hit one that badly in a product review I’d delete the shot. The Bracket is supposed to be more like the golf course in that we’re not being as selective. Again I’m sorry for your loss 😔

[@stankersley2]

@@dronepocket325 dude you need to chill. He straight up says he deletes bad shots in product reviews thus making the numbers look better. They don't delete shots from the bracket. Simple as that. Not to mention he even says at the end of the video that he wasn't swinging it great.

[@ianfrasergolf]

@@dronepocket325 I also shoot 68 on the golf course some days and 78 on other days, there is always larger human variability in the bracket. I know you’re fairly new to the channel but this is what it’s like every year, upsets can happen which is why we call it The Bracket. We’re not trying to fabricate this test, we’re using all shots that stay in the grid to be fair to both Drivers.

[@griffinwatterson3196]

WOW the king does down in the 1st round

[@user-hr6vk4wj6m]

Tsr set on 3 wood and Srixon set on driver. Is that where the high spin from tsr is coming from?

[@scottstewart3954]

A “fairway finder” at 290 odd yards! 😮

[@ScottDreyfus]

That srixon ls loves a squeeze cut. It just wants to hook out of the toe and the misses are better heel side. I got better performance with a slightly softer tip and stiffer handle even though I’d prefer the feel the other way around.

[@patrickbeach3070]

Amen to that! 4 missed fairways last 3 rounds...squeezey cuts all day!

[@KyleAddington]

Just swung the ZX5 LS with a Srixon fitting rep and liked it from a numbers on a simulator perspective but flight was indeed low. Still crushed my current gamer.

[@SecondTimothy224through26]

Gents, here’s a new idea for you… An off the rack bracket… And a fitted bracket. What’s best as is… What is best when optimized by your best fitting. Could be a great promo for what you guys do as top notch fitters

[@speerchucker64]

Always good. Would be nice to know how many drives it took to get the 10 drives for each. That might have shown why the Titleist is more of a gamer

[@austinpultz2585]

First off, lovely to see the bracket back! Are you using the same driver shaft in all heads or are you fitting each driver for you before the head to heads?

[@wesboothe6507]

This was a kick in the nuts 😢

[@FF04RDF]

Well done for not binning this test and going again 😂. With your reaction, thought someone had died 😂

[@adammimran]

All in good fun even if the test is flawed a bit (what test isn’t?) change the settings of fairway firmness and width (if there is rough on the range setting) and Srixon gets demolished. The real question is… will Ian or Mikey swap out their drivers???

[@user-te7et8ef8n]

Hi guys! I want to know how the Ping G430 Max 10K will be set up for the bracket. You had it with the 28 grams backweight during testing but used a 22 grams backweight when it went head-to-head with the Taylor Made QI10. Also, where did you get the 22 grams backweight? As for the first chapter of the bracket, that was fun to watch and I'm eager to see the final result but it will definitely not influence any choice I will have to make on my equipement. Your reviews of clubs are far more useful than a head-to-head as far as I'm concerned. Nonetheless, good work guys!

[@bullitt8986]

I honestly love the zx5 LS. Hope to see it in the finals against AI smoke.

[@g_nw]

Long live the king 🥃

[@rogermickcollison4003]

Do these Drivers all have the same swing weight?

[@SvingitGolf]

Looking forward to Taylormade VS Cobra. It will be a close call. Both are great drivers. Will it be the LS versions?

[@RLobster]

Why did the TSR 3 lose so many yards from last year’s bracket championship?

[@christiansmith7458]

Don't think this was a fair comparison as Ian spent loads of time being fitted into that TSR and shaft. I want to know how it would compare if he spent the same amount of time fitting the right shaft into the Srixon.

[@shaneWARs1]

Man I just saw a srixon ls for sell in my town for 150 bucks and I'm tempted to go buy it lol

[@jameslaughter5183]

Starting golf in 1965 I played Mcgregor Tourney Eye O Matic Persimmon Driver and Fairways and Hogan Apex Pro blades for over 20 years. There was no forgiveness. Not with my geriatric swing, "hitting the screws" is problematic. I'm very thankful for the technological explosion of the last few decades. So I'm extremely disappointed you have not included the Mizuno ST230 MAX Driver in your test bracket. Askgolfnut, arguably the best of the KZbin reviewers, gives ST MAX Rave Reviews. I'm getting my final driver this spring, choosing distance first and forgiveness a close second. Could you Please add a playoff between the Mizuno ST 230Z and the Mizuno ST 230 MAX for 7th place? Please !!!

[@GolfBert]

I would love to see this bracket with slower swings around 95 mph

[@erock1070]

Same here. Throw in all of the Max drivers from each lineup, Cleveland Launcher XL2, Tour Edge and a couple of std heads minus the Low spinning ones. Then another cool one would be to pick someone who slices the ball and do a test with all of the draw biased drivers. Ping SF Tec, Darkspeed Max with weight in the heel, Cobra Air X Offset, Cleveland XL2 Draw, etc

[@sungillk12]

As you edit the video, you should put in the half-time score so it's more exciting. We would see if a comeback is possible. You could edit a shot by shot score into the video as well. Have a scorecard in the corner

[@dsloan9561]

Lets skip to the end.... Ping 10K max is king and the wee Scotsman has to game it... : )

[@jlnew10]

I play Srixon irons and I'm pretty happy with them but until Brooks puts a Srixon driver in the bag I'll stick with my Tsr2 driver.

[@jojosaute]

Me. 😮😮😮 The boys. 😢😮💀😮‍💨

[@markmark5488]

Forget the numbers - when you look at the straightness of the ball flight and also take into account that the tester clearly had a few more poor shots with the Titleist than with the Srixon, you’d take the TSR3 every time. If you want to resolve a test purely using numbers, you need to get a robot to swing the clubs.

[@richardcheese9152]

I have an F9. I think it's time for an upgrade. Looking for value... not necessarily a brand new model year driver, but it could be if it's worth it this year. I've been out of the loop on club tech the past few years. What should I be looking at? I would prioritize forgiveness and consistency over pure distance.

[@marshallw4492]

Based on watching way too many of these tests and reviews, Ping are always the forgiveness champs. G400, G410, G425 and G430 would all be worth a look.

[@jrsantos4021]

Srixon zx5 ls underdog. I swing one.

[@swoldiernation]

Feel like you need to switch up with one you hit first.

[@LegacyAirTech]

Well in this case, the Titelist is his gamer driver so its always going to feel more comfortable and familiar no matter what

[@MrAlvarez66]

We demand a retest!

[@pda4545]

When is the next head to head release??

[@kylesinclair203]

Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!!!!!

[@markushayes]

Virtually identical results. One had to win.

[@ianfrasergolf]

👏🏻, both great heads. On another day the results could easily go the other way.

[@zacks9105]

Great job guys, I think it’d be awesome if you both hit each driver and average the scores to eliminate and bias if one of you happen to simply not do well with one head. Still good content though

[@jazzyjay4595]

(Srixon staffer) LETS GOOOOO

[@Misnjef]

TSR3 is by far the best, most consistent driver I have ever played.

[@rufussthoo4083]

The King is dead. Long live the King. Mikey looks shattered 😅. Don't worry Mikey. The TSR could come last but still be the best gamer driver for you 😊.

[@Moldrox707]

Bracket is always a good time. TSR3 was a wee bit spiny for this time E

[@AlTaylor-ot3lg]

North of Scotland Links golfer, ZX5 got my name all over it for next purchase.