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The GENIUS Innovation that Made Mercedes Champions

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Driver61

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@flintstone1409
@flintstone1409 Жыл бұрын
You can skip to 5:20 if you already know what an engine is..
@forbiddenera
@forbiddenera Жыл бұрын
Higher octane fuel doesn't have more energy it just has more protection from detonation which allows you to run higher cylinder pressures without blowing up your engine. Also, lean fuelling can also cause detonation which is a bigger issue than anything you listed.
@forbiddenera
@forbiddenera Жыл бұрын
And what you describe is basically just stratified charge on crack not a new idea just a new (and im sure better) implementation
@Appletank8
@Appletank8 Жыл бұрын
Higher octane allows for higher compression, which does allow you to extract more energy out of the fuel. Also, I’m sure the engine designers have mapped out the maximum amount of fuel they can inject into the main chamber that doesn’t detonate at those temperatures and pressures until they actually want it to. Which again, the higher octane helps with.
@LiamNI
@LiamNI Жыл бұрын
He didn't say higher octane fuel has more energy, but rather that it allows you to extract more energy from it...
@aarondavies8486
@aarondavies8486 Жыл бұрын
@@LiamNI how can you extract more energy that what it has wow you need to go back to school
@antonioorellana504
@antonioorellana504 Жыл бұрын
@@aarondavies8486 🤡
@stunimbus1543
@stunimbus1543 Жыл бұрын
The total power isn't the surprise - its the efficiency. The 1500cc BMW F1 turbo from 1985 was believed to produce 1400 BHP in qualifying trim - but used loads of fuel (special fuel).
@Sticktothemodels
@Sticktothemodels Жыл бұрын
Those engines would be done after a lap, tuned down ~500hp for the race, and then immediately discarded (if it even finished.) Nowadays they’re getting 1000+hp in race trim for multiple race weekends, it’s astonishing. If they changed the mapping enough I’m sure they could get much more
@ALPHABYTE1994
@ALPHABYTE1994 Жыл бұрын
@@Sticktothemodels xdxd, 800hp un race
@aarondavies8486
@aarondavies8486 Жыл бұрын
@@Sticktothemodels wrong stop trying to look clever when made yourself look stupid the dfv was over 500bhp are you a yank yeah
@aarondavies8486
@aarondavies8486 Жыл бұрын
@@Sticktothemodels and its not the engine that's putting out 1000hp yet again your wrong
@pranc236
@pranc236 Жыл бұрын
That number on the bmw has grown over the years. Seen that it was more like 1100bhp and you were lucky to finish the lap.
@tahaniazi2708
@tahaniazi2708 Жыл бұрын
I swear they have made this video multiple times
@Gerard1971
@Gerard1971 Жыл бұрын
The "How Much Fuel Does a Formula 1 Car Use?" video linked to at the end contains similar info on how they ignite the lean mixture using pre-chamber combustion.
@ALPHABYTE1994
@ALPHABYTE1994 Жыл бұрын
they want many views without doing much
@tonyroberts7481
@tonyroberts7481 Жыл бұрын
It’s the off season soooooo mailing one in.
@madLphnt
@madLphnt Жыл бұрын
I feel like his channel got big this past year and he made less videos about the races which i really liked because he detailed incidents in the previous race. This past year he didn't do any. Or they, but maybe thats the intellectual property lawyers of formula one in action but still there were way fewer videos this year. Still great though thats why i wish there was more!
@obamalore
@obamalore Жыл бұрын
@@ALPHABYTE1994 But his 2nd channel Driven Media is So good
@jamiepursall
@jamiepursall Жыл бұрын
Bloody hell Scott you didn't half milk that, could have been a 2 minute video.
@Dimention11th
@Dimention11th Жыл бұрын
The only way for him to get the sponsorship through is to talk gibberish for 6 mins straight and hope people won't notice.
@harry4454
@harry4454 Жыл бұрын
Bloody hell Jamie it's called going into a lil bit of detail
@llplanas
@llplanas Жыл бұрын
"No such much for Ferrari" , you got me there 😂😂😂
@viniciusledesma
@viniciusledesma Жыл бұрын
I noticed he said that but i didn't understand though.
@Mohammed-qp7xw
@Mohammed-qp7xw Жыл бұрын
@@jeftesantiago And rather than punishing Ferrari, FIA made a secret agreement with them.
@danonthestrings
@danonthestrings Жыл бұрын
He just had to throw some shade
@ALPHABYTE1994
@ALPHABYTE1994 Жыл бұрын
@@viniciusledesma bruh
@benfulford3943
@benfulford3943 Жыл бұрын
@@viniciusledesma ferrari got busted for messing with the fuel flow sensors. The FIA gave them a secret punishment and everyone else was pissed off. We don't actually know what they were doing to cheat the fuel flow sensors
@KStala
@KStala Жыл бұрын
More than half of the video done without saying anything. When you have to hit the required minutes for running ads.
@littlejimmycratner
@littlejimmycratner Жыл бұрын
Love your videos generally but this was a masterclass on how to make 2min video into 8mins.
@esma3el
@esma3el Жыл бұрын
you mean the 10 sec he explained the thing real quick
@tommorris6607
@tommorris6607 Жыл бұрын
So much waffle
@JdotRez
@JdotRez Жыл бұрын
@@esma3el kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2S5gXtunJKmrKs
@esma3el
@esma3el Жыл бұрын
@@JdotRez exactly
@sudhanshumaurya2860
@sudhanshumaurya2860 Жыл бұрын
Informative content- 20 seconds Video length 8 minutes . And thanks for the secret, looking forward to become a F1 engine supplier.
@zerobomb0
@zerobomb0 Жыл бұрын
Maybe, but I find his videos to be not only informative but also entertaining. And he doesn't use click bait titles like a lot of other F1 influencers
@kaiptan
@kaiptan Жыл бұрын
Don't forget 1 Min 30 Sec of VPN AD
@zerooneonetwothree1872
@zerooneonetwothree1872 Жыл бұрын
100s of engineers per team after reading this comment: What a twat!
@Robin-vz2nr
@Robin-vz2nr Жыл бұрын
Yeah it took 75% of the video to actually SAY what Mercedes did.
@bimsbarkas
@bimsbarkas Жыл бұрын
While the content is ultimately interesting, this was a 2 minute video with a 6 minute clickbaity intro of a whole lot of nothing.
@sharg0
@sharg0 Жыл бұрын
A separate pre-chamber into which the fuel was injected was how diesel engines used to be made. Hot bulb engines also works in a similar matter. It is also worth noticing that the actual speed of the combustion increases as the mixture goes leaner, this is due to the relatively higher amount of oxygen available. Drawback of lean burning in everyday use is the emissions since it creates a higher amount of NOx.
@ajwasp3642
@ajwasp3642 Жыл бұрын
......or like the Honda cvcc?
@jfess1911
@jfess1911 Жыл бұрын
NOx formation is increased by high temperature and pressure. When leaning out the mixture far enough, the combustion temperature begins to drop, actually reducing NOx. This is how the Honda CVCC engine avoided needing a catalytic converter to deal with NOx. This was not good enough to deal with the later, tighter emission standards, though. My understanding is that current emissions controls need near stoichiometric to have the correct ratio of chemical byproducts for the catalytic converters.
@jfess1911
@jfess1911 Жыл бұрын
@@ajwasp3642 Yes, a more sophisticated version of CVCC optimized to squirt numerous jets of burning fuel jthrough a larger volume of the combustion chamber.
@forbiddenera
@forbiddenera Жыл бұрын
CVCC was neat. Wonder what happened to it.
@pauls5745
@pauls5745 Жыл бұрын
@@forbiddenera I always thought Honda moved from cvcc to vtec as emission standards in US got even more strict
@waalabi
@waalabi Жыл бұрын
Title is wrong, the Engines produce around 700 to 800 HP and the extra power comes from electrical motors. Power Units do make +1000HP but its not the same thing
@Bahamuttiamat
@Bahamuttiamat Жыл бұрын
He also said the v8's revved to 19k, which isn't exactly true. By 08 the v8's were restricted to 18k. Also kers were introduced in 09. Meaning the hybrid era began then.
@-ragingpotato-937
@-ragingpotato-937 Жыл бұрын
My goodness, guys. You beat around the bush so, so, so much, and the visuals had nothing to do with what was being explained 80% of the time.
@jgonzalesm6
@jgonzalesm6 Жыл бұрын
This video has a bit of parts missing. 1) The V-8 era wasn't just the ICE. KERS was introduced in 2009. KERS stands for Kenitic Energy Recovery System which had an MGU-K and recovered energy under braking. 2) The 2014 turbo hybrid era. No one was really into hybridization i.e. Italy(Ferrari), France(Renault) and Japan(Honda came in 2015). Mercedes(Germany) were into hybridization and started in 2007 developing this turbo-hybrid formula according to what Niki Lauda told Luca di Montezemolo. Then you throw in the token system(2014 thru 2016....3 years) which hampered further development to everyone which gave MercedesAMGF1 their dominance. It wasn't until 2021, that RedBull-Honda FINALLY caught up to MercedesAMGF1....so 7 years of MercedesAMGF1 dominance. Honda "copied" the split-turbo from Mercedes in 2017. Renault followed suit. In 2023, Renault is playing catch up. Ferrari is the only team that HAS NOT copied the split-turbo design and were plagued with reliability issues in 2022 to include their teams. MercedesAMGF1 engines are still reliable in 2022 to include their teams followed by Honda. An example of this turbo-hybrid era is like asking the teams who can make the best Lasagna since we all know Italy has been making Lasagna for a long time. Then the rules for 3 years was that no one can add any ingredients to their Lasagna. Who do you think will win the Lasagna challenge? Yes, everyone agreed to the rules but no one realized the dominance MercedesAMGF1 would have. Now it's 2022 and MercedesAMGF1, namely Hamilton, doesn't look so dominant....even Russell outscored Hamilton in points for 2022 in his 1st year with MercedesAMGF1.
@Guardian_Arias
@Guardian_Arias Жыл бұрын
Love your vids, i wish you had also covered why they don't run at the perfect stoichiometric ratio. I know of many EXCUSES but out of all the industries i would imagine formula 1 and SpaceX would be the ones to overcome the drawbacks.
@nerf123dca
@nerf123dca Жыл бұрын
Not sure about my answer. But maybe they also have to balance how Air is used in the aerodynamics of the car and not only in how Air is used in combustion. Idk
@Guardian_Arias
@Guardian_Arias Жыл бұрын
@@nerf123dca My guess is the intense heat from running at a perfect burn ratio is overwhelming and the engine block can't be cooled fast enough. But the rocket industry run much hotter fuels at much higher pressures and they accomplish this by using the either the fuel or oxidizer in channels around the exhaust and combustion chamber to not only cool them but to preheat the extremely cold liquids. Using 3D printing they should be able to make an engine block with cooling veins built in. If you have doubts SpaceX 3D prints a lot of parts for their rocket engines.
@Guardian_Arias
@Guardian_Arias Жыл бұрын
@@nerf123dca They run their engine lean so they are "wasting" a lot of air going thru the engine. That could have been used for more down force.
@nerf123dca
@nerf123dca Жыл бұрын
@@Guardian_Arias I see what you mean about the SpaceX thing. Maybe the fuel density of f1 fuels are too high to utilize it in such a small engine with small thermal mass? Maybe the fuel would be too dense to use in such way? Idk.
@ReubenHorner
@ReubenHorner Жыл бұрын
Stoich would be far too hot in the combustion chamber
@ArktikUSF
@ArktikUSF Жыл бұрын
You guys going to address your scam sponsors??
@AeroGuy07
@AeroGuy07 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing they can get so much power out of engines with such small displacement.
@speedmann194
@speedmann194 Жыл бұрын
1986 benneton, Gerhard Berger reported wheel spin at 350 KMPH his statement was backed up by co- drivers. Wet races must've been a night-mare 1 centimetres too much on the throttle and she would've spun around the world 3 times I reckon
@sourabh9589
@sourabh9589 Жыл бұрын
Dude you just tweaked same single contextual meaning with huge lengthened video. Keep it simple and clean. And admit if any ambiguities.
@MattJarvis0
@MattJarvis0 Жыл бұрын
90 second ad? for real
@Snakyy1
@Snakyy1 Жыл бұрын
Please be careful with who you make sponsors with... Do some research
@jamesfiegel9675
@jamesfiegel9675 Жыл бұрын
I love Honda coming back into Formula because their research gains in formula are transferred to their Honda motors for us😀
@aspecreviews
@aspecreviews Жыл бұрын
Ohio POWAHHH!
@My-Opinion-Doesnt-Matter
@My-Opinion-Doesnt-Matter Жыл бұрын
Answer for clickbait is @ 6:16
@hambone7777777
@hambone7777777 Жыл бұрын
A/F mixture in that game may be misleading; I don't know if the drivers actually mess with that, as it is typically tuner/engineer side, relative to other aspects. A/F ratio can produce some gains, it's part of the whole picture. You were talking about pre-chamber tech that helps to distribute flame travel across the chamber and piston. The 4-valve engine having advantage of a central sparkplug aided by distribution of multi flame fronts, for increased burn of less fuel, for less vehicle weight; or they're not decreasing injection rate and seeing some power gains. It's not that great for road cars, unless the F1 engine is improved more at high rpm timing of spark/fuel duration, improving boost parameters. And if the ICE power can then be balanced better in practical app of the electric power, then more rwhp is available more often for use against opponents. It's a whole system application. Cheers. PS Also it gives advantage after reduced speed/flag conditions, regarding power mode selection duration - available fuel. Relative to someone who doesn't have it. But the teams could still see advantage, depending on how they're using it.
@Bionictotquewrench
@Bionictotquewrench Жыл бұрын
What’s the image at 6:19 ? It’s definitely not an F1 engine. It *looks like* a cutaway of a 1975 Honda Civic CVCC engine, and the verbal description sounds like the same technology Honda used in the 1970s to build lean-efficient engines during the 1970s oil crisis. Fascinating that the technology has come around again.
@Dharshanth.k
@Dharshanth.k Жыл бұрын
@Driver61 I have a question: How Does A higher Octane Fuel gives more KJ of energy when it is being combusted? I thought higher octane number is to reduce or eliminate engine knocking? @Driver61 3:39
@frosthammer917
@frosthammer917 Жыл бұрын
It lets you run the chamber at a higher pressure. Which results in a higher % of "useful" energy from the combustion
@steviemaycreative8651
@steviemaycreative8651 Жыл бұрын
I'm sooo glad there wasn't another 'Titles' ad in this video.
@overvieweffect9034
@overvieweffect9034 Жыл бұрын
I don't care how these PUs sound, they are so technologically advanced and efficient that they are my favorite F1 regulation. The people who moan so much about them are just too ignorant about how they work, or are too stupid to care
@hanbo123
@hanbo123 Жыл бұрын
A full 6 minutes into an 8-minute video, before any real info was talked about in this video 🤔
@kylesebring
@kylesebring Жыл бұрын
This is essentially the same tech as the 1970s Honda CVCC is it not? They did this specifically for fuel efficiency though, and the engine had horrible power, plus I can imagine it would ruin the compression ratio
@phillipmavrogenis2041
@phillipmavrogenis2041 Жыл бұрын
Wtf is this 6:20 minutes and a sponsor spot before you actually talk about the pre combustion chamber the topic matter in your video tittle.
@poman911
@poman911 Жыл бұрын
Pre-combustion chamber was well known 20 years ago for direct injection and lean burn engines.
@tensevo
@tensevo Жыл бұрын
the point was it didnt make sense in F1, until it became a fuel saving formula.
@wellend89
@wellend89 Жыл бұрын
0:46 for most of the years the 2.4 V8s were used, the engines were limited to 18,000 rpm not 19.
@kerimca98
@kerimca98 Жыл бұрын
2006 - Unlimited - Some reached up to 20,500 RPM 2007-2008 - 19,000 RPM 2009-2013 - 18,000 RPM with KERS
@SepehrNaserkhaki
@SepehrNaserkhaki Жыл бұрын
Octane rating has nothing to do with a fuel's energy density, only how much compression it can withstand before autocombusting, so higher octane fuel is needed to avoid knock in highcompression performance engines
@madjayax731
@madjayax731 Жыл бұрын
2:42. I know now why Merc was down on power they used Nutella for lubricant.
@timhallas4275
@timhallas4275 Ай бұрын
Honda invented this system years ago, called it CVCC, and it was available in a civic. It was the worlds first four seat passenger car that exceeded fifty mpg .
@recarsion
@recarsion Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a big ol naturally aspirated V12 that uses all of the genius inventions modern F1 cars have. It would be an absolute beast, but it would be thirsty as hell and much heavier because of the bigger engine and larger fuel tank that it would need. And considering how current F1 cars are already bigger and heavier than they should ideally be (from a spectator's perspective at least), this would never work as an actual race car. But I can still dream.
@AudreyH48
@AudreyH48 Жыл бұрын
These are the breakthroughs that manufacturers hope to find when joining F1 and Mercedes nailed it. Engines are still a efficiency game and even F1 cars aren't as high of a percentage as you might think but they're significantly higher then road cars. It's amazing the amount of work that F1 engines produce with little fuel.
@DChrls
@DChrls Жыл бұрын
Caterpillar uses this type of combustion on their G3600 lean burn natural gas engines. They introduced these engines back in 1991.
@AnshidSalman
@AnshidSalman Жыл бұрын
@@DChrls and? Honda used this tech in a fucking civic back in the 70's. Doesn't mean you can't appreciate top level engineering when you see it.
@jamesnicholls9969
@jamesnicholls9969 4 ай бұрын
Honda used this in their first version of the Civic (wheeler dealers episode) and then forgot about it. when it was revealed, the episode had only just been aired and everybody in the paddock took the piss out of Honda. the split turbo was genius and meant they could have smaller intercoolers. Mercedes also invented the party mode to disguise how good the engine was and derated the engine so not to make it look to good, sometimes they turned the engine down to far and had to turn it up to get pole, hence why sometimes they suddenly were over a second quicker from Q2 to Q3. The other consequence of the party mode was that the other manufacturers had to respond and would ruin their engines by turning their engines up to 11 to compete.
@michaeltaylor4271
@michaeltaylor4271 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if you could run a two stroke in F1?? That would be funny to see a 10 cylinder two stroke motor
@JohnWiku
@JohnWiku Жыл бұрын
The engines are not 1000BHP, the drive train is, but that means the ICE gets help from electric motors...
@stephenphillips8956
@stephenphillips8956 Жыл бұрын
Do yourself a favour, fast forward to 6:00. It’s only about pre-cylinder ignition anyway, which is almost as old as the ICE itself. The rest is just you tube time buffering. This channel has become revenue fixated. Unsubscribed.
@Dimention11th
@Dimention11th Жыл бұрын
I will give it another month or so to see if it really is that way and I will also be unsubscribing if nothing changes. Shame. This used to be a good channel.
@SpadajSpadaj
@SpadajSpadaj Жыл бұрын
Octane rating of the fuel has no direct link to fuel energy density. It just means that it ignites harder therefore you can compress the fuel-air mix more which translates to the ability of burning more fuel per engine stroke. In fact often high-octane fuels have lower specific energy density than lower-octane ones.
@mohammadshah8930
@mohammadshah8930 Жыл бұрын
FIA: time to make F1 a 4 cylinder
@stupidhotdog7735
@stupidhotdog7735 Жыл бұрын
Eventually it's gonna be a 1 cylinder
@TheProkonover
@TheProkonover Жыл бұрын
@@stupidhotdog7735 2
@homosapien5156
@homosapien5156 Жыл бұрын
@@MDE_never_dies best thing that could happen.
@ForzaPolska06
@ForzaPolska06 Жыл бұрын
@@homosapien5156 didn't laugh
@alexsultanov5356
@alexsultanov5356 Жыл бұрын
v8 era hybrid and more sustainable fuel will do the job
@crusherbmx
@crusherbmx Жыл бұрын
I've never understood why the FIA introduced electric motors to F1 and created Formula E as a way to "move the technology forward" but then restricts the hell out of the electric motors. Why don't they but heavy restrictions on the internal combustion engines and open up the electrical side? And for Formula E, open the rules up so that it isn't a spec series, let teams innovate and find loopholes to make motors and batteries more efficient.
@tomwallach
@tomwallach Жыл бұрын
as far as I know there are no limitations other than the power output. So all the innovation is there, but it's not resulting in more Power but in more efficient and lighter Motors. I absolutely agree with you that FE should let the manufacturers develop their own batterys with a limited capacity.
@horrgakx
@horrgakx Жыл бұрын
1:36 "... not so much with Ferrari". It's criminal that they got away with 'Fuel Glow Gate'. We'll maybe never know what happened.
@ehtikhet
@ehtikhet Жыл бұрын
6 minutes and 30 seconds to get to the point. 😐
@scruffybob42088
@scruffybob42088 Жыл бұрын
Basically Hondas CVCC concept from the 70s
@orangepekoe7096
@orangepekoe7096 Жыл бұрын
So it's like the upgraded version on Honda's CVCC in the 80s.
@gizmobowen
@gizmobowen Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was going to say. Pretty sure my 1978 Civic/Accord with the CVCC (where Civic comes from) used that type of head to increase fuel efficiency.
@Redskies453
@Redskies453 Жыл бұрын
So I get you want to extend watch time, but burying the lead 7 minutes into an 8 minute video is pretty annoying and reduces the likelihood I'll watch the next one. If the topic is TJI, I don't really want to sit here for 7 minutes trying to figure out wtf we are talking about.
@rafacas
@rafacas Жыл бұрын
3 min de enrolação + 1,5 min de comercial
@alain6930
@alain6930 Жыл бұрын
Almost a million subscribers! congrats and well deserved.
@CM_Burns
@CM_Burns Жыл бұрын
Make V10 Great Again.
@ALPHABYTE1994
@ALPHABYTE1994 Жыл бұрын
wrong. V10 always is great, we just have to get them back, be they won't do it, becasue they want to develop trash tech to sell it for big prize to stupid people, that know shit about motorisation
@ploppyjr2373
@ploppyjr2373 Жыл бұрын
@@ALPHABYTE1994 do you have any clue what f1 is? F1 is all about innovation that goes back into normal road cars. That’s one of the key things about f1. How could you even try to criticise that
@Soupy_loopy
@Soupy_loopy Жыл бұрын
Right off the bat, I'm not convinced these are the most powerful engines ever in Formula One
@jfess1911
@jfess1911 Жыл бұрын
My understanding is that the 1980's "turbo era" engines were the most powerful. Safety concerns for the spectators as well as the drivers caused the rules to change intended to slow down the cars. The whole idea of "formula racing" is to put strict parameters on the racing class and see who makes the best use of them. The more recent change to hybrid engines and reduced fuel load is largely a PR move to make Formula 1 appear to be advancing fuel efficiency and technology that would be pertinent to passenger cars.
@frosthammer917
@frosthammer917 Жыл бұрын
There have been more powerful engines by pure power yes. But over a race distance the turbo-hybrid ones are 100% the best. The older engines had 0 reliability. They'd break down constantly and for them to survive a single race they had to be turned down a lot. Those were the times where they sometimes went through a whole engine for a single qualyfing stint.
@davidkershaw5379
@davidkershaw5379 Жыл бұрын
This is an old Honda trick from road cars in the late 70s perfected for f1. I think they used the choke though, yes that's how long ago.
@edwardalbrecht2215
@edwardalbrecht2215 Жыл бұрын
Precumbustion chambers have been used in diesels for many decades
@petemack3076
@petemack3076 5 ай бұрын
The basics of this is how Prius has worked since forever.
@bradleybatt1401
@bradleybatt1401 Жыл бұрын
Dude. Those F1 engineers did not discover this idea. Lot's of engines have been using a pre-ignition chamber. This is nothing new.
@molybdnum
@molybdnum Жыл бұрын
This felt like 6 minutes + an ad to deliver 15 seconds of poorly explained answer - not the best vid the channel's produced. I would have liked to see how other teams discovered and addressed the TJI gap, more visuals of the specific part of the injection chambers that we're talking about instead of generic "this is how an engine works" B-roll, and an explanation of why the 1000 horsepower mark is meaningful.
@Dimention11th
@Dimention11th Жыл бұрын
Well said, all of his latest videos are like that. He wants free money. He gets other people to write BS of length 10 mins and he then narrates that BS. He thinks we're stupid or something.
@Technotranceism
@Technotranceism Жыл бұрын
Sounds kind of like pre-ignition and than forcing it into the cylinder, hence having to less rely on the cylinder doing most of the work.
@Herezjush
@Herezjush Жыл бұрын
Learn what octane number is since you are wrong, higher octane level coresponds to higher knock resistance (self ignition) - higher octane number mean you can run engine at higher compression ratio without knocking. this allow to more efficient combustion.
@olafzijnbuis
@olafzijnbuis Жыл бұрын
The animation at 03:19 is COMPLETELY WRONG Parts are moving in the same space It doesn't look like a V6 engine Later on, in the video, I see a much better animation of a V6 engine.
@tomsparks3259
@tomsparks3259 3 ай бұрын
This is not new. It's called stratified charge. Honda used it in passenger cars as far back as the 1970s. It helped them meet emissions and fuel economy targets. It wasn't even new then.
@flappingflight8537
@flappingflight8537 3 ай бұрын
In TGI , the I stands for ignition , not injection !
@MV1-OP81-Mclaren
@MV1-OP81-Mclaren Жыл бұрын
Please do a video on F1 potentially using inline 4 cylinder engines like the Japan Super Formula are using.
@waynec3563
@waynec3563 Жыл бұрын
That was the plan for 2013 (delayed to 2014) originally. The new engines for 2026 will be 1.6L V6s with ~530hp, instead of ~800hp, plus 470hp MGUKs.
@magnuslkken134
@magnuslkken134 Жыл бұрын
When your essay needs 3000 ord and you have 2000 just before the deadline.
@302hobronco
@302hobronco Жыл бұрын
Didn't honda do something similar in the 80s with the cvcc engine? It had pre combustion area before the main combustion chamber.
@groundhabit6408
@groundhabit6408 Жыл бұрын
The benefit of getting the details of the new PU ahead of the grid.
@ralphe5842
@ralphe5842 Жыл бұрын
Diesels have used this for a long time
@TheHannukahZombie
@TheHannukahZombie Жыл бұрын
This isn’t how a diesel engine works. They’re using an actual flame to ignite the rest of the mixture inside the cylinder. Diesel engines don’t do that.
@Unamatrix01
@Unamatrix01 Жыл бұрын
That is correct, Turbulent Gas Jet Injection has been used in diesel engines for quite a longtime. The same cylinder pre-ignition technology was also used by Audi, Toyota and Porsche in the WEC. The TGJI or also known as heterogeneous gas jet injection can be transferred to any internal combustion engine and is now also used in Moto GP.
@Dimention11th
@Dimention11th Жыл бұрын
Actual video starts at 6:15. Save your precious time, folks. These videos are getting even more clickbaity with time. If this trend continues I will be unsubbing soon.
@jcbf73
@jcbf73 Жыл бұрын
@Driver61 Make a video about things that can be changed in an f1 car and make f1 more relevant to the automotive industry and cheaper so that it can attract more teams, without losing significant performance. Things like changing from carbon carbon discs to carbon ceramic discs. Make it possible to cold start an F1. Reduce the number of possible changes in the aerodynamics of cars, especially in a winning team. Make a concession system like motogp so that the weaker teams can develop faster and catch the stronger teams and others. Cheers
@iBrake4Squirrelz
@iBrake4Squirrelz Жыл бұрын
Honda actually developed this in the 1970's for their CVCC engines. It allowed their cars to have cleaner emissions with better fuel economy.
@sebastienzhang6343
@sebastienzhang6343 Жыл бұрын
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@msweso14
@msweso14 Жыл бұрын
It's called Pre-ignition and Engineering Explained describes it better, and the new Maserati MC20 uses similar technology in it's new V6 engine
@christophercripps7639
@christophercripps7639 Жыл бұрын
I seem to recall reading that the rich-lean idea was tried in the 1970s to meet emissions or fuel economy standards. I also seem to recall claims of 1,000+ HP from 1.5 liter turbo engines of the 80s turbo era. What is new is ECUs allowing pushing the engines to the detonation limit to gain max power from minimum fuel.
@dominicbrunsmeier
@dominicbrunsmeier Жыл бұрын
Idk, I think I've seen pre-chamber ignition in a Soviet Volgas. So this "innovation" is decades old.
@elkabongg2716
@elkabongg2716 Жыл бұрын
Well it only took 8 years for somebody in the media to openly state what was seemingly obvious, that the Mercs somehow had a power advantage. Turns out they could have had a weight advantage too. It still looks like they have extra low end grunt as they seem particularly quick off the line and and exiting slow to medium corners. Nothing wrong with any of that its what all teams aim for, but why the silence.
@harry4454
@harry4454 Жыл бұрын
And don't forget about the split turbo that only merc had for years
@HxTurtle
@HxTurtle Жыл бұрын
I think that I know exactly how this development happened/played out back then. the rules heavily regulated bodywork, giving teams less room of designing freedom. at the same time, engines came out of a previously frozen state and for the first time in quite a while started playing a role again in lap time/performance. so, teams might've very well just shuffled around personnel internally and gave their fluid dynamicists a go on engine development. 😅 this might sound like a joke but on the other hand, it's also quite convincing, isn't it? because I think to recognize the hand writing of at least my past time trade 😅
@KL50450
@KL50450 Жыл бұрын
I think you’re right😅, you could even use the same software (FLUENT in my days many many years ago…)
@simondelacanal4543
@simondelacanal4543 Жыл бұрын
Video starts at 5:30
@maws420
@maws420 Жыл бұрын
Can someone please put an F1 engine in an Volkswagen Golf
@patrickradvanyi6390
@patrickradvanyi6390 Жыл бұрын
those prechambers look vers similar to the ones merc used on their diesel engines from the 80's
@ajwasp3642
@ajwasp3642 Жыл бұрын
......or like the Honda cvcc?
@1320crusier
@1320crusier Жыл бұрын
How? A LOT of boost. Plus some neat ignition systems
@azaz911c
@azaz911c Жыл бұрын
F1 should have no rules on the size or configuration of the power unit. Let teams self optimize to produce the most competitive car.
@frogandspanner
@frogandspanner Жыл бұрын
6:10 May fireball?
@shemwhitehead9517
@shemwhitehead9517 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like they pulled the old IDI diesel concept out of the mothballs and threw it in their F1 engine.
@joseph317
@joseph317 Жыл бұрын
You spent about 15 seconds with the reason and explanation and the rest was totally frustrating.
@georgeoliver8300
@georgeoliver8300 Жыл бұрын
This video could have been 2 mins long. And I sware you’ve made this video before
@Kevwa51
@Kevwa51 Жыл бұрын
Someone at Mercedes must’ve called Honda because I’m preeettttyy sure the first Honda Civic had this, and that’s partly how they got like 48 mpg in the 70’s. It’s such a simple thing I’m surprised it’s not implemented on everything, but maybe the drastic changes in elevation a standard road car can potentially experience in a day, plus other conditions not experienced by a race car make it too difficult to really make work.
@aspecreviews
@aspecreviews Жыл бұрын
CVCC...
@lancepuckett2069
@lancepuckett2069 Жыл бұрын
@@aspecreviews Yes, Honda had this in the 1970s! It also allowed the engine to meet emision standards without using a catalytic converter. The engine had a 2 barrel carb, one barrel for the combustion chamber, the other barrel fed the tiny combustion chamber via it's own intake valve. The spark plug fired in the mini chamber and shot a fireball into the main chamber, igniting the lean mixture efficiently.
@gaad7938
@gaad7938 Жыл бұрын
Had a '79 Civic wagon with the 4 cylinder CVCC engine and 4 speed manual. For it's size it was a great little performer, and consistently great mileage. Wish I still had that car!
@dirtaylulu
@dirtaylulu 7 ай бұрын
"This fuel's gettin' manipulated man!!"
@F14foreverF14
@F14foreverF14 Жыл бұрын
6:17 A Pre-Chamber like an older in-Direct injection diesel !! Who would have thunk!!
@ClaytonMacleod
@ClaytonMacleod Жыл бұрын
Thumbs down for in-video sponsor crap that ruins video.
@adan507
@adan507 Жыл бұрын
how does a chamber with tiny holes get the fresh air once it has ignated? that part i miss
@jfess1911
@jfess1911 Жыл бұрын
The drawing shown at 6:18 shows an "auxiliary intake port" that supplies air to the chamber.
@adan507
@adan507 Жыл бұрын
@@jfess1911 powered by the same camshaft I guess. Nice catch, thx!
@jfess1911
@jfess1911 Жыл бұрын
@@adan507 Some engines might use a little valve like the old CVCC did, but it would not surprise me if others used a solenoid valve or a compressed air injector. They might need extra air pressure to flush out combustion residue in the short amount of time available. The diagram in this video is the first one I have seen that even mentions an air intake port.
@fahadsgmustafa
@fahadsgmustafa Жыл бұрын
I'd recommend everyone to Watch animagraffs formula 1 car video its frekin awesome
@jamsbong
@jamsbong Жыл бұрын
With many government pushing for banning of combustion engines, we probably will not see this tech on normal road cars. Right now, the closest F1 like engine you can buy is in the Maserati MC and AMG Project One. Nothing that a common man can afford is available.
@richardlong6097
@richardlong6097 Жыл бұрын
It's not a secret, not even really special. Well over a generation ago the tiny BWM engine made 40% more power in quali trim, w/o electric help. Forced induction a hellofa thing. The engines 15-20 years ago that made insane power for their size were special. Certainly not as advanced but 4+hp per cubic inch NA is crazy, esp decades ago.
@richardbuchanan5497
@richardbuchanan5497 Жыл бұрын
TJI a new technology that back in the early '70's Honda called CVCC.
@256k_
@256k_ Жыл бұрын
This video could’ve been an email.
@endurofan9854
@endurofan9854 Жыл бұрын
i'm still wondering how they make it more effecient by having it feed leaner mixture but still give a fuel on the passages, it seems like still giving more fuel every time, a lean mixture on the combustion chamber plus the added fuel to pass on the passage for the better burning of the lean mixture present on the combustion chamber, does'nt that point out the same as having exact amount of fuel every combustion? what i see clearly is the advantage of those passage to burn the lean mixture perfectly and faster so the power output give more strength leading to a much better performance...
@endurofan9854
@endurofan9854 Жыл бұрын
i think the thing that makes them lean or fuel effecient is another thing rather than that
@DriftKingNL
@DriftKingNL Жыл бұрын
They are not 1000HP engines. They are 1000HP Power Units. About 150HP is from the batteries. So the engines are more like 850HP. Still a lot in such a lightweight car.
@rajatsinha6607
@rajatsinha6607 Жыл бұрын
Exactly
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