DRIVING MY ELECTRIC CAR THE LENGTH OF SCOTLAND WAS A NIGHTMARE - HERE'S WHY

[@johnrowley8976]

Trying to remember any time I have had to stop filling my ICE vehicle because I was taking too long at the pump.😂😂

[@ModernHeroes]

Hilarious 😂 😂

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Have you ever been able to start the fuelling and go to lunch, or into the shop, or take a leak while it was filling up? Or did you stop, fill up, move the car, the do "other things'?

[@johnrowley8976]

Usually takes about a max of 5 minutes to fuel up pay and on my way. IMO the love affair with EVs will burn out over the next couple of years. Here in Australia we have the farce of outback charging stations getting the power from a diesel generator. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@koolandkrazy8217]

@@rogerstarkey5390 and still it takes much less time then trying to fill up with electric, and does a hell of a lot more miles.

[@philhartley7564]

Trying to remember when it cost me £78.00 to go 300 miles - oh yes, that was when I had a petrol car (Discovery Sport, which did an actual 28 mpg at best with an official range of around 40mpg, oh look, real world mileage is down by over 25% everybody seems to forget that) , now I do 300 miles in a bigger, faster, more luxurious EV and it costs me £8.33 and no, I don't spend 5 mins filling it up, I spend 10 seconds plugging it in and 10 seconds unplugging it and I sleep the rest of the time.

[@craigbanks9532]

This video illustrates the problem. EV car drivers spend so much time thinking about charging (And actually charging). I fill my diesel and don't even think about how I will get a refill (650 miles later).

[@Brian-om2hh]

That's fine for now, but being able to get diesel almost everywhere may not be the case in 10+ years....and of course in another 10 years, there will be EV's capable of 650 and more on a single charge.

[@djtaylorutube]

Depends on the EV, they're not all the same. Tesla, enter destination address and depart.

[@craigwatters127]

@@Brian-om2hh 650 miles on a charge? Which one is that? I want to see that one. Doea it have a big screen where the knobs should be?

[@nivs123]

@@Brian-om2hh Jam tomorrow?

[@christopherwhitehead8946]

Exactly.

[@stuartsmith5308]

The only option is to repeat the John O'Groates to Lands end. With Morag as a passenger with Gary in a polestar and Jeff driving his BMW with Lee as a passenger. See who arrives first.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

So 391 miles, 10 hours and 2 charges, what was the break / stoppage / charging times...? and prices? (When we did it, I'd filled in Wick, and did this leg of the journey on £0 spent in service stations and a 5 minute wee break.) See, we told you Scotland was a nightmare, haha. Hope your second leg was better than ours though. I didn't start to enjoy our trip until after Exeter. The entire journey was pretty much rubbish, top to bottom. True story. *edit* Why did I buy a BMW and not a supermini? I could have gained a few MPG with a super mini. But let's be honest, an M Sport BMW with heated seats is PEAK CAR for this trip. And I wanted to enjoy it. I also kept the car, and it's averaging 55mpg s:-)

[@stevebeever2442]

Still some good information in this video. I've never heard of the app he used for planning the trip. The only app i hear about is zap map. The app he used looked good and would be useful for Lee in your future challenges 👍

[@ModernHeroes]

3 series is a fine machine, no doubt about that. No idea how you can spend 8+ hours in one with just a 5 min break though, no matter how comfy it may be, I couldn’t do that in a proper luxobarge.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

@@ModernHeroesI love driving. Nothing I’d rather be doing. I hate service stations and I hate waiting around - so it’s diesel for me :)

[@davidpearn5925]

@@GeoffBuysCars never need servicing and sensors never fail at inconvenient times and resale is excellent and can afford to drive through London as often as I want.

[@davidpearn5925]

@@garysmith5025 someone has to front for the fighting withdrawal - and real men are the last hope.

[@skillsrev]

What you have proved is the issue with EV and EVangelists. The issue with an EV is this: I have done hundreds of thousands of miles if not millions for work and pleasure and not once worried about an app, overstaying where I'm fuelling, have to time my breaks where there is a petrol pump, insist there is a fuel pump where i stay over night and certainly there are not different rules of engagement at different fuel pumps at different locations. I can pay cash or card anywhere i stop and the fuel up is so quick that i can stop at a place of outstanding beauty rather than a dingy hotel. Which brings us to the issue with EVangelists; just admit that the experience is not as easy, it's just not. Like Apple users, you singing the praises of the tech and make excuses about the deficiencies that don't work for most people. Why didn't you do this in your EV? I would hazard a guess its because it's not suitable, so you prove straight away it's not as good as any petrol or diesel car on the market as any one of them would have the range to do the trip on one small top up, and that's old and new vehicle's. Well done on the drive, but next time, do it in your EV vs. any petrol or diesel car, and let me know how you get on.

[@christopherwhitehead8946]

I agree with the comments except the comparison of his Renault Zoe. You wouldn’t do the same trip comfortably in a Kia Picanto either. So the hire car Polestar is ok with me. All the other stuff you mention, I agree 100%.

[@skillsrev]

@@christopherwhitehead8946 that's my point, a petrol Zoe or picanto would do it. The truth that many miss is that ice cars levels the playing field for anyone from all economic backgrounds. Actually the more expensive the car the worse it gets, but EV is the opposite. With an EV you have to pay more to get a vehicle that isn't as capable as a cheap ICE equivelant, which disadvantagesture the majority of people who can't afford them. (London is a class example of the disadvantage this kind of policy creates with EVangelists opinions)

[@Twmpa]

@@skillsrev I have just sold a 2006 Citroen C3 Exclusive 1.6 HDi that I have owned for the last 10 years. I would have happily done a JO'G to LE journey in it. It was surprisingly comfortable, had a cruise control, did 65mpg and around 650 miles on a tank full of fuel. I have never had to meticulously plan long journeys in it because I never had to constantly worry about my range and my stops in it were never dictated by whether there were fuel pumps at the location. Oh, and refuelling it and gaining another 650 miles took 5 minutes rather than hours.

[@skillsrev]

@@Twmpa I agree, I have done plenty and not once had to worry about a refill or have to demand that the government install new fuel stations for my own convenience

[@barryj388]

Yeah. Most people don't rent cars for trips. Usually budgets demand they drive what they've got regardless of whether it's the most comfortable. Around 1989 I drove a Pontiac Firefly (Suzuki 3 cylinder) from Winnipeg, MB to Thunder Bay, ON (around 700 km) on one tank of fuel without stopping. I think fuel capacity was about 33 L. It certainly wasn't the greatest highway-car but it could make long distances without stopping.

[@mikeolly67]

A couple of things I picked up from this video. At avimore it seemed like luck more than planning that there was a charger free, it would only have taken another EV to pull in infront of you to add extra time to your journey. You mention that it’s important on a long journey such as this to have a destination charger, did you do a comparison of price of hotels in the area which don’t have chargers? This needs to be factored in to your costs if there were cheaper alternatives . On a long journey like this, a hotel is purely a bed for the night , if a person doesn’t want to charge a EV , there will be a lot more options of where to sleep, so it follows there would be a saving there.

[@nickgould9981]

Wow 391 miles in a day!!! I regularly drive from Chamonix to London in my diesel car. My trip looks like this leave Chamonix at 8am. I stop for about 15 minutes for fuel and get to Calais at about 5pm. After getting the ferry I head up to Soho for 9pm. Total mileage about 650. I have around 350 miles left in my tank which I fill on my stop the next day. I am quite happy doing this in a comfortable car and have done the trip 42 times. An electric car just doesn't cut it for me even if I wanted one.

[@djtaylorutube]

Just for a fun comparison, that would take about 1.5 hours longer in a long range Tesla as a reference. I only do these exercises for personal interest. I've assumed that your 15 minute fuel stop would also combine as a charging stop. I'm guessing that as it seems you're on a time mission, you're aiming to go straight through passport control and into the boarding queue? I'd avail myself of the opportunity to pick up some cheap wine and there are superchargers both outside the duty free and also the flexiplus lounge so that would allow some tweak to the journey to charge there. I wouldn't need the 41 minute charge at Reims and would instead do the longer charge at Calais which would knock an effective 20+ minutes off that 1.5 hours difference but if you're going straight to boarding then that clearly wouldn't work well. Just an interesting paper exercise comparison that's all.

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

This guy is not driving where he wants.... HE IS FOLLOWING WHAT AN APP SAYS.

[@justgetatesla]

Sure - the Sat Nav app. Which took him off the M80 and M74 because of traffic jams

[@johnlladron735]

Interesting video, decent comparison with the Geoff/Mac one. Only issue I have with the frequent stops to top up charge is that when you make one of those stops, you have to do so at a charge point rather than a scenic place which would be a choice for a 20 minutes leg stretch. So doing the charges and the scenic stop-offs adds even more to the journey time.

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

yeah... you end up buying globalist antiwhuuuite coffees every 5 minutes....

[@stevebeever2442]

Fully agree with this. When i'm doing long journeys for pleasure sure I stop but it's very rarely at some grubby service station. It's normally at some view point or something to just relax for 10 mins and take in the views around me

[@theuninivitedguest]

So basically you are finding out the problems with Scotland that Geoff and Lee had. Also you have lost the challenge already as Lee used his own EV to do the challenge from John O'Groats to Lands End and not had to rent an EV because the one you owned wasn't up to the challenge. If that is costing you so much each day in Rental is that amount getting added to the total as it should do and that would cost more than what Lee spent when he was charging from John O'Groats to Lands End, so like I have said you have lost the challenge before you started.

[@scorpio9578]

Agreed. Gary needs to include about £80 in hire charges to the cost of the journey, 4 days hire?

[@rico4229]

For one , most of the problems Lee had were self inflicted. Also Gary has already said he's not racing them , he's proving it's not as stressful as Lee likes to make out (but of course Lee needs the clicks to generate income to pay for his car maybe.? ). You can criticize for using a hire car , but Gary's usual drive is Renault Zoe which although it's a great car , it is an old model now and not ideal for a marathon trip like this. As Lee likes to point out regularly how expensive his top of the range Porche is , it's not exactly a fair comparison to a second hand Zoe , costing about £12k...

[@theuninivitedguest]

@@rico4229 You could say that Lee's car is an old model now as well as it was 2021 when Lee got His EV so the rental thing is no excuse so and the rental price should apply to the end total.

[@rico4229]

@@theuninivitedguest yes of course , that should be added on to the journey costs. I think all Gary was out to prove was that this journey doesn't have to be as stressful as Lee made it out to be.

[@janetblakey9099]

Why didn’t you show percentages and times before and after charging? Cost and mileage travelled.

[@dave6018]

once you said that you rented a £40,000+ car for this trip you had planned. By doing so, you have demonstrated that EV cars are not feasible for everyone. How many people in the comments have a spare £40,000 lying around or are going to rent a car to nip to Wales etc? Remember somebody in a supermini could do this journey effortlessly in one and wouldn't need to rent another car Those who claim that running an EV is cheaper, let me give you an example. A brand-new 2017 Honda Civic Type R cost £32,000, and now with 72,000 miles on the clock, it's worth £23,200. That's a depreciation of around £28 per week. A Tesla Model S 100D AWD has a recommended retail price of £93,000, but now it retails for £28,499 with 70,415 miles on it. That's a depreciation of £206 per week. So, please tell me where the money-saving is with EVs? Let's do another comparison: A 2020 Polestar 2 with 25,000 miles on the clock cost £49,000 brand new, but now it's worth £25,000. That's a depreciation of £115 per week. A 2020 Honda Civic 1.6 EX D-TEC with 25,910 miles on the clock now costs £17,700. That's a depreciation of around £40 per week. I'm pretty sure Honda makes more reliable cars than Tesla or Polestar. These costs don't factor in tyres + insurance, which are also more expensive for EVs. The people will say well they are good for the environment well have a read here earth.org/environmental-impact-of-battery-production/ So please tell me the benefits of EVS

[@ModernHeroes]

It’s a response to someone making an arse of the same journey in a £120,000 car 🤷‍♂️ why is the value of the car *I* did it in so important?

[@thomasobrien8850]

@@ModernHeroes pot-kettle 👉sour grapes 😆

[@xraylife]

@@ModernHeroes MacMasters Taycan is only a £40,000 car - it lost £81K already in value in the first 2 years!

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

If you can recharge your diesel 700 miles in 5 minutes AND it comes with the added benefit of not burning your house down as you sleep, it's Win-Win.🤨🤨🤨

[@ModernHeroes]

Yet one of those things might actually be pretty difficult, as it happens.

[@justgetatesla]

Not burn your house down? I assume its not a Land Rover v6 diesel...?

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

The good news for EV drivers is that with all the new charging points at least the government and World Economic Forum can monitor and control all your car movements and with a Tesla they film and record you constantly

[@zaneta3880]

You rented an EV.. but you own one? 😂😂😂😂

[@zaneta3880]

@@tonyireland2234 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@imbethondion4572]

@@tonyireland2234 Five actually.

[@BoBnotThat1]

Think you're missing the point mate, it was a race between Lee and Geoff. Like the way you don't show charging and getting your excuses in early😅 let alone not using your own car.

[@iameatingtrifle]

I'm one of Geoffs subscribers, but I'm watching (and liked 👍 your upload) to get a different perspective on it, nothing wrong with that. I only ask that you give an honest report, as you see it. The only way to make a decision it to collect as much data as you can.

[@marcsroberts]

Honesty is all anyone is asking for. Geoff isn’t too bad but Lee is a fraud.

[@martinbailey2140]

Well said, I’m undecided but videos like these are very informative.

[@st200ol]

Five cars involved, three people taken to hospital but nobody seriously hurt.

[@stuartsmith5308]

Logic says if two cars travel the same long distance route on the same day. The only difference would be length of time to fill with fuel or electricity. As, electricity charging takes longer and is more expensive, the ICE car would be cheaper on every long journey, and arrive hours earlier due to EV's taking longer to fill with charge, compared to ICE cars being mins to fill up.

[@djtaylorutube]

Absolutely right, the difference then gets mixed up if the drivers choose to include reasonable breaks which can also be used as charging stops to minimise the charging impact. That was not done at all by Lee so yep, he was going to lose before even starting. Let me offer an example of a real trip of mine yesterday. Depart Brugges heading for East Midlands. Left Brugges to arrive Calais with 32% charge remaining, plugged into the supercharger and went into the duty free shop. Came out of the duty free shop, unplugged and headed for the Flexiplus lounge to wait for the train. Plugged into the supercharger at the lounge and had breakfast. Departed there and hopped on the train and from Folkstone to home stopped twice more but only for loo breaks (I had three other passengers with me). No drama no fuss and no "lost" time due to charging. An ICE trip would have been exactly the same in that instance. However, if I wanted to drive non stop for 10 hours then i'd have to suffer my diesel but while there are people who want to do that, they're welcome to do that, it's not something that i'm particularly inclined to do. Lets do another "race", each car drives 200 miles and returns home every day where the EV charges at home. Do that for a year and compare both time spent in terms of impact to the drivers in "filling up" and then compare costs for that 73,000 miles. Of course we don't actually need anyone to do this, we can estimate pretty accurately and the results would absolutely brutally destroy any ICE car, it has no hope whatsoever of beating the EV under that condition and lets face it, being able to drive 200 miles every day is also as unrealistic as needing to do JOGLE under "get there first" conditions. It's good for KZbin entertainment though. :)

[@stuartsmith5308]

@@djtaylorutube i think EV's make more sense in short journeys and ICE makes more sense in long journeys. Most people do only one or two long journeys each year. Maybe buy an EV for day to day use and hire an ICE for vacations. Best of both worlds.

[@djtaylorutube]

@@stuartsmith5308 That was exactly the option when we had a Nissan Leaf on a 2 year lease back in 2015/2017. You could have a free ICE hire include for a number of days (I forget how much) but that seemed like a good plan. We never used it as the Leaf was an experiment car and at only £125 a month we figured it would be good to tootle around the city for the school run and all similar related stuff, the cost just equaling what would have otherwise been spent on diesel. Long range with the Leaf and public charging? not a chance, never dared! That said, we now always take the EV (Tesla) on long trips because it just works and leave our diesel and petrols at home to do the local stuff if we're not using the EV for that too. Plenty of space for all choices for everyone at the moment, it's certainly going to be an interesting decade or two!

[@NigelsModellingBench]

The difference in the small vs large / EV vs ICE is this... If you have a small ICE car it may be less comfortable than a big one, as will a little Polo or Clio Diesel be less comfortable than a VW Passat. In reality though whatever ICE car you have you CAN practically drive it anywhere with a range of two or three times that of an EV with a fraction of the fill up time.

[@johnmoncrieff3034]

If you were in competition with an ICE car of similar size and luxury it would still beat you due to your charging time compared to petrol or diesel fill up time.

[@ModernHeroes]

If the driver chooses to neglect taking proper breaks.

[@TB-up4xi]

I do Sydney-Melbourne-Sydney (1200 miles) it's quicker in my EV than ICE car - I stop 2 times each way (late breakfast / early dinner), Instead of having to fill, pay, then find a place to park, then go in to eat and use the bathroom I simply rock up, plug in and go inside - I have plenty enough charge to continue each time. When I had my ICE car I stopped at the same locations. 1 stop over a 10.5 to 11 hour drive is unreasonable.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

​@@TB-up4xi Don't start coming in with actual real world experience! They won't like that at all! 😁👍

[@justgetatesla]

@@TB-up4xi I make a similar point a lot - you have to add a fuel stop time to the trip if not in an EV...

[@deaks25]

You kind of gloss over the fact your first charging stop required you to divert off your route to a hotel resort and sit around for 40mins. An ICE just sails on by, stops for lunch earlier, and so doesn't encounter the rush hour traffic and that accident and so is probably several hours ahead of the EV. I will say, that the route planner does seem to be pretty good, although I'm curious if it accounts for atmospheric conditions which can affect batteries? And that's the thing Geoff and Lee's trip showed very starkly; in isolation, an EV doesn't seem too bad - a little bit of thought and it seems ok. But the comparison to the ICE is what shows the much slower journey times and inconvenience of EVs. Particularly the multitude of apps you need, and needing an extra navigation app is just annoying. At my count you've needed 3 to 4, including a route planner. For me in an ICE, I just need Google Maps. You know, that world-class mapping service that has had millions invested into it... I will say, so far, I feel you are guilty of the same thing you accuse Lee of; you are glossing over several things that are highlighted as the bane of EVs, particularly the number of apps needed to get someone to take your money, and there is no ICE reference so you can say "See look, not too bad" without a counter point.

[@danchurch5062]

This debate is only just getting started. Charging will remain cumbersome and time consuming, and the cost of a suitable 'on-demand', available, and credible infrastructure is currently decades away judging by the roll-out. Don't forget the extra demand on power generators if we go down the BEV route.. I don't see much development on that front either. IMHO, BEV's are not the solution. In the shorter-term, eFuels, and Hydrogen Fuel Cell technologies will be the ultimate preferences in OUR lifetimes. In the 21st century, people cannot and should not be expected to waste hours of their lives waiting to travel a further 200-300mls 'charging to 80%', when a petrol/diesel fill-up can be achieved in minutes... and arguably cheaper than public charging and cleaner for the environment considering lithium mining, and coal-fired electricity generation for starters... also: 40+ grand for a replacement battery?!!! In what will be a five-yr old car with rust patches/scratches, worn motors, and other minor defects? Who'll keep that? It'll not be worth a bag of balloons. BEV's are on track to be the future Betamax transport compared to the VHS upcoming fuel alternatives. ICE owners, hold your nerve. Keep your car maintained and well have the last laugh.

[@David-bl1bt]

Hydrogen is not economically viable, hence why shell have closed down their hydrogen filling stations, Norway too and why Mercedes have thrown in the towel after a decade of research and spending millions of euros to no avail.

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

Geoff buys cars has done the whole country and gone home by now.......🤨🤨🤨🤨

[@justaspartan8203]

I watch Geoff’s channel so it’s interesting to see your experiences. I just wonder though how long you’ve spent waiting around to charge, as if you’re working or employ people it just doesn’t seem to be practical? 10 hours to do 390 miles seems an awfully long time.

[@Richard_Barnes]

I watch Lee & Geoff a fair bit so I'm really looking forward to your take on it all 😄Will be watching the series 👍🏻

[@maryginger4877]

When I drive my ICE I stop where I want when I want... If I feel like stopping in a layby I'll do just that, and yes you could do that in an EV but laybys don't have chargers....

[@imbethondion4572]

They don't generally have fuel pumps either to be fair.

[@maryginger4877]

@@imbethondion4572 They get funny if I stop at a petrol station for a smoke...dunno why...oh well

[@chrissmith5347]

I think the main difference in this video is, as said by the Geoff in his response, these are 2 different videos their video was a race between to different fueled cars. This is a EV video just driving from one place to another. I think if i were looking at renting a car i would have to see if the EV would be cheaper by a lot overall for the trip. If it was not that much cheaper i would just rent the petrol or diesel car for that trip. As this video is not comparing different fuel types i cannot see that it can be used as a direct reply to the Macmaster and Geoff's video. I very rarely charge up on the public network and have been on many trips around the UK mostly getting home without public charging. Mainly i have used the Gridserve at Norwich and at Braintree. I have used other chargers like Ionity. Only had slight issues with some chargers but nothing that I didn't sort out very quickly. I have seen chargers out of order but luckily i have not required a charge at that time and continued on my way. I hope the infrastructure and the battery chemistry gets a lot better soon.

[@TheKARMMARK]

A very insightful video. The charging costs will be interesting. Really amazed at the Hertz hire cost per day. It seems more viable to hire these bigger EV cars and avoid the horrendous depreciation.

[@ModernHeroes]

Yep, the costs I’ll cover in a dedicated video - it’ll surprise some and very much not others I think.

[@davidlewis4399]

Hertz pulling back on EV fleet due to poor costs i.e. poor residuals of car and cost and damage compared to ICE equivalents.

[@stevenbennett95]

ask how much the charging cost.....

[@AndrewTSq]

Hertz in sweden for a polestar is £200, but I saw on Hertz homepage in uk that all cars where very cheap. Wierd its so big difference. In sweden it was no mileage limit. Edit : I tried the Polestar in UK for a month, and suddenly it was 842 GBP, which is more expensive than if you rent it day by day instead for a month .. :D :D

[@Brusselpicker]

Hertz are getting rid of its Tesla fleet not its Polestar fleet, Tesla can't repair their cars in a timely or cost effective manner and they get written off for damage that other EV manufacturers can repair. However insurance prices for all evs have gone up by 69% on average but ICE insurance has gone up 32%. Insurance companies state it is because of the high cost of repairs and increased damage if the vehicle is involved in an accident.

[@johnbaker5533]

Look I'm a fan of you and you channel. But a bit devil's advocate here you had 4 stops 75kW, 50kW and another 50kW (at same location stupid limit times) and slow destination charger. That is not quick charging tbf.

[@ModernHeroes]

That’s not devils advocate that’s just stupid 🤷‍♂️ I stopped twice, counting the destination charging overnight as a stop is ridiculous and it was my choice to start a second session in Stirling (because it was cheap and we weren’t ready to get going yet) The Tesla charger not running at full tilt is a fair thing to criticise, I do agree with that.

[@johnbaker5533]

@@ModernHeroes I understand why you did it. It is more a reflection on the lower powered chargers (and you are travelling from remote areas in the Highlands of scotland I do get that there are slow charging infra there. England has good fast infra in the UK now but not Scotland, Wales (a little better) and don't even talk about Northern Ireland). But you did use 4 chargers and got 75 (at a full location on these older V2s (if you park next to the car charging you will 75 each in a pair)), 50, 50 and 11. Sure you had to stay overnight at a destination chargers are a key to the future and the correct thing to do.

[@allen_key]

Playing DA here, a journey was started and a destination was reached. Food and fun (and traffic) was had along the way. I see no problem here especially given the electricity was probably from wind power. Imagine if cars had deployable sails.

[@Lewis_Standing]

The overnight destination charging is a huge advantage of an EV though, no standing by a fuel pump.

[@craigwatters127]

@@Lewis_Standing I bet i could fill my tank by the time it takes him to get connected and charging.

[@Jaw0lf]

My EV can easily do over 210 miles in the winter and around 260 miles in the summer. So yes, Destination Charging is the big thing as when you arrive 200 miles away, you need a charge to get home. Destination charging, ie slower charger at 7kWh or 11kWh is ideal for the times you will be eating and sleeping, so next day you have a fully charged car.

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

This guy rents an electric car to demonstrate they are sh143

[@stan_austin]

So me taking the wife, two kids, dog, all my camping gear including roof box and trailer several hundred miles wouldn’t be a pain in the ar*e in an EV? Charging with trailer attached? Range fully loaded and towing? No thanks, I’ll stick with my full fat petrol VRS 😂

[@SmartAndTidy]

Your sob story about Scottish roads and council rules on charger hogging doesn't disguise the absurdity of you having to hunt for chargers at obscure locations and wait ages as real-life chargers deliver 50-75kW. The truth is in the cheap price Hertz charged you to hire a Polestar - nobody wants to hire them. I know you mean well, but I'd call it quits if I was you.

[@ModernHeroes]

Where did I “hunt” for anything ? The chargers were where they were supposed to be 🤷‍♂️

[@GeoffBuysCars]

@@ModernHeroesmiles off route 👍

[@djtaylorutube]

How about... We all just buy and drive what we want to? Why does anyone care what anyone else drives?

[@andrewreynolds2647]

I find all the commentary here on the ev trip totally biased to the pro ev. An ev car will never be cheaper or less stressful to carry out a long journey in than a petrol or a diesel car. You get ripped off on charge prices and spend ridiculous amount of your life is wasted either looking for a working charger or waiting for the duracell bunny ev to charge itself. Ev owners have swallowed the lie hook line and sinker. No ev for me, oh and if i want a good blaze i would rather enjoy it round a camp fire with accompanied sausages and burgers, rather than watching my £40.000 + battery box burning uncontrollably at the side of the road.

[@gmaacentralfounder]

Gary, you failed immediately: what time was your departure? SO important, yet completely omitted. As for charging cheating - nope, 40 min limit after which you moved to a different charger is called "finding a loophole". But it actually underscores the problem in general... You should not need more than that, and if you do, then something is wrong.

[@ModernHeroes]

I *didn’t* need more than that - it was either continue charging (where you don’t need to pay for parking) or move to another parking space (where you do) 🤷‍♂️

[@gmaacentralfounder]

@@ModernHeroes Yes, but my point here was that 40 min limit should be enough to charge the car to full/80%. If it's not possible within that limit, THEN IT'S A PROBLEM. And additional question is: why time limit in the first place?

[@dantebg100]

1. I can't be bothered to charge the car and wait. 2. I can't be bothered to rent a car.

[@ModernHeroes]

You don’t *need* to rent a car, you can buy one. HTH.

[@Sp_75-76]

I am surprised you can be bothered to fire up youtube

[@dantebg100]

@@ModernHeroes 😀 I have one already. Skoda kamiq 2022. I'm using it for every trip. Maybe if the next gen ev are better I may consider replacing it with an ev. 😀

[@TB-up4xi]

@@dantebg100 I have a 2023 Tesla model 3 - I flew from Sydney to Perth (2000+ miles) and rented an "intermediate" class car from Avis for a week - it turned out to be a 2023 Toyota Corolla Sedan - I hated every minute in that noisy, underpowered, wheezy shi*box and could not wait to get back to driving my EV.

[@dantebg100]

@@TB-up4xi well .. Tesla is 50 000 euro and my Skoda and Corolla are 20 000 EUR.

[@stevehand322]

Zzzzzz I think you loose in terms of having a good time, the other guys seemed to have more fun!

[@ModernHeroes]

Yeah it was great fun pacing around by a charger moaning about queues I guess 🤷‍♂️

[@stevehand322]

@@ModernHeroes it's hardly fabricated though. And in terms of time how long did it take you, vs Geoff in the bmw?

[@bossman1975]

So you had to hire a car as your ev was not up to it, you lost already

[@JimboJones-qn4wd]

9:41 - So what happens if the charge left in your battery is getting low and you are caught in an unexpected traffic jam for an hour or more? If EVs ever get to the point when 50% of cars on the road are EVs, be prepared to see A LOT of EVs on the side of the road with flat batteries, not to mention the significant increase in devastating car fires.

[@ModernHeroes]

This has been done to death - power loss when sat in traffic is minimal.

[@scoobyflew]

@@ModernHeroes In the winter?

[@justgetatesla]

@@scoobyflewyes. In the winter. What happens if you are stuck in traffic with low fuel? Remember the M11 incident a few years back where a load of people got snowed in and ran out of fuel?

[@PhineasPhlob]

It doesn't work like that Jimbo. If you are tooling along at 70mph in your ev with 20 miles range left showing, then have to crawl along at 5mph in traffic, your indicated range will probably go up, not down.

[@mrkrabs1066]

You do know ICE cards can run out of petrol/diesel as well don't you? Also, do you think EVs just explode into flames when the battery runs out? EVs have their own set of issues, but this nonsense about fire is just plain wrong. You just keep reading The Sun and Daily Mail for your intel.

[@timrowley4274]

So for first day mileage which would have been done in ICE without filling up, how long in total were you charging for the day,

[@ModernHeroes]

Wouldn’t have been done without stopping for a break though unless you’re mental.

[@Piner5074]

Where are those chargers in Penrith? I live there and the only chargers I know are InstaVolt at Booth’s, Osprey at Morrisons, Pod point at the Texaco, and Gridserve at Reghed. Obviously I charge at home, it’s just that I don’t recognise that bank of chargers

[@shanejulius7205]

Still don't see what's your point is you didn't use your car and weren't up against a diesel

[@ModernHeroes]

Covered this in both videos, if you don’t get it by now you’re never going to, I can’t cater for every type of hard of thinking I suppose.

[@paulturner2379]

Tip my hat to you for taking up the challenge.... good luck with the rest of the journey

[@ModernHeroes]

Thank you

[@cityblue0202]

What do you think of the car and the way it drives ? I am looking at buying a polestar 2 as it looks great value only £24000 for a 22 plate with 25000 miles on the clock.

[@ModernHeroes]

There will be a “review after 1700 miles” type video coming fairly shortly - I like it on the whole, and that sounds like a bargain.

[@cliveprocter3698]

So far with a couple of months experience with an EV the biggest ballache is apps, the car messing things up after an over-the-air update, the homecharger/energy supplier apps constantly failing or doing things differently than the day before without anything changing. As you highlighted the MEGA hassle of downloading apps and 1/2hr+ mortal combat trying to them get charge your car. When there are lots more fast chargers that you simply swipe with a credit card EVs will become actually nice to use and not being used because of the tax advantages.

[@ModernHeroes]

The issue I had with the E.On Drive app wasn’t *that* bad but I do agree. It shows what happens when you let companies do whatever the hell they want for ages without proper regulation.

[@David-bl1bt]

The government has just passed a law that all new charger installations must have chip-n-pin payment and existing chargers by next year, so apps will no longer be required.

[@markbooth8822]

No charging problems? What about the length of time it took to charge? You are under no time pressure & are just on a leisurely road trip.

[@fredvandevelde4576]

Rugged up in the car ?heater ON??? Happy to sit around for 1/2 an hour, basically in a place you would wish to be in. Cheating at the charger as you could not charge up in the allocated time. Root planning is OK until the unexpected happens. 10 hours for 300 miles! Imagine if you had a car full of kids, reduced range and everyone going crazy - good luck with that one mate.

[@ModernHeroes]

The heater was on - climate set to 22 most of the time and use of the heated seats. I had more than enough charge in the 40 mins - plugged it back in because I would’ve had to pay for parking if I moved it to a normal parking space. Traffic was a major contributor to the time taken for the just shy of 400 miles. Not sure what reduced range you’re referring to.

[@andyfox1680]

Why didn't you use your own ev (is it because its crap for long journeys) so you have already lost on comparison.I suggest you do it with a model that does a ev model and a petrol/diesel and run this in both

[@ModernHeroes]

Covered this in this video 🤷‍♂️

[@Mariazellerbahn]

I don't do apps (no smart phone) and I don't do contactless payments. So more or less exempt from going near an EV.

[@Lewis_Standing]

You don't do contactless payments?

[@michaelgoode9555]

KZbin is an app ...

[@paulbuckingham15]

That's on you then. Not on EVs.

[@Sp_75-76]

Get yourself a Tesla, no app, no contactless charging, no problem

[@LoremIpsum1970]

The fact you have to route plan at all is enough evidence that, for most people, it's best to wait another 5 to 10 years and see how the charging infrastructure improves, or just move to Norway, where Bjorn Nyland does some interesting 1000km EV challenge videos. Most 'normal' people want to just get in and go, and seeing how many owners get engrossed in planning, percentage charge-ups, etc. just shows how it appeals to the 'geeks' and this is all about 'tech' and 'tech' takes time to become affordable. 'Normal' people don't want or need this.

[@davidjames3787]

The reason why the car was cheap to hire is likely to have been a lack of demand for that model. Supply and demand usually dictates price..

[@ModernHeroes]

Maybe 🤷‍♂️ can’t say I particularly care why it was cheap.

[@peterkent2138]

Interesting first stage, sounds crazy cheap to rent! Please include cost of charging and time spent charging as it is very relevant as a comparison to ICE. Cheers

[@davidpearn5925]

Worrying that their EV choices are being so heavily discounted.

[@stevenbennett95]

@@davidpearn5925 they will charge you the earth if you scratch it

[@dennishaggerty463]

Although super impressed with the low rental cost of the Polestar, it seems a relatively low mileage after 6 months for a hire car of the type/class which I would expect most people would mainly hire to cover long journeys. Interested to know if the rental company would disclose if this low mileage results from customers steering clear of BEV’s for long trips and consequently they can only rent it out for Astra money?

[@ModernHeroes]

12k miles in 7 months is hardly low, it’s one of the highest mileage rental cars I’ve ever been given by a proper firm (ie not Enterprise). Having said that, the comments on this video alone shows why a lot of people won’t bother renting one.

[@howardyarnold3133]

Charging App's downloads & singnal issues. Min of 50 mins at each charge point. What a drag such faffin around. Lord is this what motoring has come too.

[@ModernHeroes]

The only stop that was 50 minutes was one I chose to stay longer at because we hadn’t finished taking a break 🤷‍♂️

[@MrEV]

You hit the nail on the head. Bad traffic is often far worse than any apparent charger faff. I don't blame you for getting the Polestar 2. It's a steal at that price! If more people got smaller EVs for 99% of their journeys and just rented a more suitable one for long journeys, perhaps that'd reduce the number of enormous cars on the roads.

[@gmaacentralfounder]

You do realize that not everywhere renting a car is a viable option economically? I own my family car - which is a big family car, because I have a family. It is a multi-purpose car, not just for roundabout home-work-shop, and if I am to rent a car, in a year I am spending LITERALLY 20% of the value of my car (we a re a travelling family). What is the point of having a car, but spending on top of that? This test is already not comparable, because whole point of McMaster's/Geoff's video was to do the trip with daily driver. If Gary rents another car - which is bigger and with bigger range than his own, it just from the start will make it non-relatable for really massive number of people. What's worse, it will definitely increase negative sentiments towards EVs, because apparently you need two cars in your household... If not three. Maybe Swedes and Norwegians can do it (they are rich, so they can afford buying a Tesla in addition to their Volvo X-series which is for winter), but not many other countries qualify.

[@MrEV]

@@gmaacentralfounder That's great if you have a car that suits you and your families needs. I'm talking about people that very rarely drive long distances (which I'd assume is the majority). Spending a few thousand on a second-hand Leaf/Zoe/i3 etc. and then renting a larger EV for the rare long journeys may, for some people, make more financial sense than spending a fortune on a big battery EV. Obviously Gary could have done the journey in his Zoe but, as he said, it's not ideal for this sort of journey. And didn't McMaster do it in a Taycan? That as a daily driver is hardly comparable to most people's situations. I've done Land's End to John O'Groats twice (in an e-Niro and IONIQ 5) by the way, and it looks like Gary found it easier than I did, which is encouraging as it shows things are improving with infrastructure.

[@gmaacentralfounder]

@@MrEV The point I made was this: I have only one car. Which is not ideal for some uses and great for some, less often utilized. I can't afford two cars in my family, at least not for a while now. Another point, not made earlier is that actually, the current car is not suited anymore. Things change, circumstances too, and while 3 years ago a small city EV as a second one would not only be feasible, it would be a great idea. Not so now. And that's the point I made: EVs are, for the most part, either town car - like Gary's Zoe, or SECOND car. That's why I brought up Scandinavia - there EVs are usually a second car, next to winterized diesels. Not everyone is as rich as Scandinavians. As for the trip - UK is also a rich country. Where I live now, there are serious issues with EV charging stations - EU requires them on every existing petrol station. It's easy in cities, where you just apply for a permission for a high voltage, high power electricity connection, but on motorways, for example, existing stations will start to shut down soon, because installing chargers on a Service station on a motorway 20 miles from any bigger town with electric grid suitable for a megawatt-connection has been priced in mutliple millions. An investment which will NOT give a return on 20-year lease WITHOUT drastic prices increase. Not 5% difference, but at least double... Second thing is that this country's power grid will not be able to survive a hundred such stations added on such artificially short timeframe, because there is barely enough power already.

[@shaunkeasey3674]

I want to enjoy my drive and have the option to do it in one go if I want! EV's just can't do that... despite your 'rose tinted' first video... which was very 'detail free!' Hopefully sense will prevail and this EV fad will be short lived! Either that or make cars that are the same price to buy as ICE... can do 500 miles to a charge... and charge up to 100% from empty in 10 minutes! Oh... and charge stations must be as plentiful as petrol stations!

[@ModernHeroes]

There wasn’t very much detail because it was very straightforward 🤷‍♂️ you can bang on about how you want to not stop and piss in a bottle all you want, that’s fine - stick to diesel if you want that.

[@justgetatesla]

I have to ask what would be enjoyable about doing 8 hours of driving non-stop?

[@paulus1011]

Keep charging and stuck in traffic, giving charging anxiety, means sticking with my diesel ,until EV charger quicker,have a diesel equivalent range, and will not self combust when not in use!

[@steve_787]

Given the traffic you had that's not a bad run. Me and my sister went to visit my dad in Inverary (420mi), we went in her car which was a BMW 5 series estate and the run home was almost spot on 8hrs (very fortunate to have now traffic whatsoever!). Google maps had the journey time of 7hr 10-15min. So we stopped for around 45-50min or so. She now has a Model 3 Performance and we reckon, given the stops we did anyway, doing the same run again would mean no change in the time. Maybe an extra few minutes as the Tesla chargers tend to be further away from the service station doors 😅

[@HoltAlex]

This is almost always the case for a modern EV. Really wish more people understood this. Obviously there will be diesel warriors who claim they drive 600 miles without stopping, but this is a very vocal, very tiny minority, if they're even being truthful (when not filming KZbin videos bashing electric vehicles..)

[@steve_787]

@@HoltAlex yep, I will most likely be making the trip up again in my ZS ev which isn't the fastest for charging but think on a clear run I could do it in 9hrs. As you say, does this tiny majority really need to drive 600-800 miles non stop in a day? They often claim to need this but why? What do they do? No job has you driving a car for that long without stopping (with the exception of taxi airport runs etc.) as frankly what is your employer paying you to do? Most will likely will fill their car up once a month which will last them for all their travelling. That's how I did it to avoid going back to the petrol station every other day. It's just a mindset change that it's very rare most people do more than 100 miles in a typical day.

[@firefire9994]

No time stamps etc you could have arrived and left anytime. How do we know it didn't take longer to charge... 2 stops and a hotel with charge facilities.. after a fully charged battery .. 🙈

[@palemale2501]

Traffic problems on a Friday and Saturday is an expected problem but sometimes we have to do it, so a worthwhile video - accidents, traffic and roadworks are the bane of long-distance driving especially if you have a ferry or hotel booked or an appointment - add 1 hour for every 250 miles (plus charging) - nice to arrive early and chilling, instead of feeling sweat between the butt cheeks..

[@pauldavies689]

You even said you broke the charging law by moving your charging point along as your meal took to long. Also 1 charging point had 4 points and you were the 4th to arrive. What if there are more evs on the road you will be queuing for years. Diesels pull in fill up and drive off. There is. I infrastructure for your evs. Also tell us where the power comes from to provide the power to the eV charging points.

[@ModernHeroes]

“The charging law” 😂 😂 😂

[@zaneta3880]

McMaster should have been with you. 😂😂😂

[@jamesm90]

1.Cost double the price of a ice car. 2. Range anxiety, 3. Very expensive to insure. 4. public chargers are up to 80pence kwh. 5. standing around in car parks, 6. questionable environmental issues especially in the manufacturing. 7. Hideous depreciation. I don't think we need anymore reasons to ignore EVs but im sure there are lots more 😂

[@DavidHarrison-il2zf]

1. Electric cars, thanks to lower fuel and maintenance costs, generally cost less over the life time of the car. Over the next few years EVs will cost less to buy in the first place as well. They are also more refined (lower unwanted noise) and more powerful than equivalently priced ICE cars on the whole. 2. Range anxiety is less of an an issue thanks to the expansion of electric chargers. The expansion has been really impressive to witness over the last few years and will continue to expand as the adoption rate increases. 3. I've not experienced this myself, what are you comparing to? 4. I've seen higher petrol costs, however to give representative costs; the average cost per Kwh is between 0.1p and 0.3p as most EV drivers (80%) charge at home. Most public chargers are around 0.5p per Kwh. 5. You don't need to stay with an EV whilst it is charging, you can lock the car and it will continue to charge. You don't need to stand around holding a fuel pump, it will lock into place (for safety as well as convince) . 6. If the energy for manufacturing is sustainably sourced, as for example with Tesla's factories then it can be carbon neutral to produce electric cars. Whilst in operation an electric car have a significantly lower environmental impact than an ICE car as the grid moves to sustainable energy generation. 7. Depreciation applies to all cars, the cheaper end of the market is less effected, depreciation mostly effects the higher priced luxury end of the market.

[@hughjardon3538]

Great effort, but it doesn't really give us what we need. Unfortunately, you started with an agenda to prove the other guys wrong, which is immediately going to make all the skeptics look for flaws in your conclusions. What they need is clear evidence, not just talk. Your case would be much stronger if you showed actual arrival and departure times and video of the charger availability as you jumped out of the car because the skeptics are going to say that, actually, there were long delays for charging and the time lost due to traffic wasn't as bad as you said. Without evidence, there will always be suspicion. Also, for whatever reason, you chose the EV with the longest range and fastest charging that any normal person could acquire to do such a journey, which would show the best case scenario, not what average Joe will do in the best EV that he can afford to have as a family car, something like a 240 mile Ioniq. If you really wanted to prove that electric cars a great for longer journeys, it would have been better to do a more exyteme route using your own car - something like the West Coast route from Glasgow through Fort William and Gairloch, then along the top to JOG. Do you think that it would even be possible in your car? That would shut up the sceptics.

[@justgetatesla]

Loads of comments about "why not use your own vehicle?" Doesn't that depend what the vehicle is? Loved my 2015 Mini Cooper, but needed a new back after doing Oban > Teesside in it. So wouldn't dream of doing JoG > LE in it. *nobody* does Jog > LE unless its for a challenge, so would be mental to buy a car speficially to cover that scenario...

[@ModernHeroes]

but I once did 500 miles in a Fiat Panda so everyone should!!!!11

[@richardphillips6971]

I think your commentary has been balanced, as you said the State of the roads and traffic make a huge difference to the quality of the journey irrespective of the car that you are journey.

[@fredjames9867]

We're are the costs - times bud . Or is that something. We don't want to talk about

[@Yorkmedia1]

The true reality of travelling long distances in a EV is not possible because of the changing infrastructure is not fit for purpose and suddenly all chargers are working that’s rubbish

[@JimboJones-qn4wd]

The bottom line is that EVs cost more to buy, more to insure, and depreciate much quicker. Because of the increased weight of the vehicle, the tyres wear out much quicker than ICE vehicles and they cost more to buy. The pollution in the environment caused by tyre wear and microscopic rubber particles in the atmosphere, which is extremely dangerous to everyone's health, is increased significantly by EVs, compared to ICE vehicles. On top of that, you are always waiting for 30 mins to 60 mins at charging stations. Electricity is becoming more and more expensive, so it is not cheap to charge an EV and a good portion of the electricity being delivered at EV charging stations, is not from green energy. It is being produced from fossil fuels. So, what is the big attraction with EVs compared to ICE vehicles again? Just give me an ICE vehicle and I don't have ANY of these concerns and save a lot of money on the purchase price when comparing an EV and ICE version of the same vehicle.

[@imbethondion4572]

EVs are much cheaper to run on local journeys where you can charge at home. My 30-mile round trip to the office costs me £1.40 in electricity - that's the equivalent of around 150mpg at current diesel prices.

[@adamodavis]

To pick up on one specific point, tyres actually last far longer than on ICE.

[@JimboJones-qn4wd]

WRONG!@@adamodavis

[@adamodavis]

Well pardon me for actually owning four EVs and having real life experience. Clearly you read it on the Internet, so it must be true @@JimboJones-qn4wd 🤣

[@sarahb5827]

You didn’t show the truth at all, in fact you showed anything but.

[@TNT-projects]

I have a 23 year old yaris and a new Škoda , apart from the fact it doesn’t have air con , I would happily use and trust the Yaris for two of us. I had a £30k rented a new Mazda but hated so much with it.

[@kellyeye7224]

I simply do not understand how the rental company makes money if the costs are as low as you state. Unless, of course, their purchase was *heavily* discounted as a fleet buyer which, if true, once again shows that the EV market cannot survive in the real world i.e. subsidy free.

[@ModernHeroes]

Car rental firms have always been able to buy heavily discounted cars

[@kellyeye7224]

@@ModernHeroes Not disputed - but the Polestar 2 has a price of £45k. At £20/day rental and rented for 365 days that equates to £7,300/year, or around £20k for the typical 3 year lifespan - with, potentially ZERO return on resale. And that's without the rental company make a profit. And no rental car is let for 365 days/year either. Maintenance? Repairs? Consumables (tires) etc?? The discounts must be HUGE and 'someone' pays i.e. you/me if we are stupid enough to buy one. It's yet another hidden subsidy of 'green' energy/transport.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

​@@kellyeye7224 Interesting "guess".

[@ModernHeroes]

Rental companies don’t keep cars for 3 years, nothing like it. Not proper ones like Hertz anyway.

[@kellyeye7224]

@@ModernHeroes The less time they keep them the less money they can make from them too. It only makes the situation yet more 'incredible'.

[@FrankTimms-cs5hl]

Taking an objective approach to the pro/anti EV argument is to try one out before buying one. Rent one for a week & use it as you would normally use a car everyday. Take a long drive and try it out for yourself. Compare the costs,time(charging/refueling)& convenience with your ICE vehicle. That way if you can’t live with an EV you haven’t made the financial commitment to it. If given the chance to rent one I would try it out just to see firsthand on a personal level. My opinion is I prefer ICE vehicles but an EV could work for some on local trips or commuting within the range,especially within a round trip(charging @ home only if available). People should be able to choose and not have their “arm twisted” to buy an EV. I’m referring to those deadlines governments are giving automakers to stop producing ICE vehicles. If that happens the used car market will become costly as every ICE vehicle written off will raise the values of the remaining ones-a cheap beater will eventually cost as much as a super car😲 Why can’t we have both?

[@briangriffiths114]

I live in central Scotland but lived in the Highlands for a long time, so I know the roads you showed in the video. (loved the music, btw) I used to enjoy driving long distances but now only take the car for short trips because of a never-ending serious of accidents that can occur anywhere at anytime, and the sheer volume of roadworks.

[@jag8319]

Hiring a different car when you you already have an electric car was an own goal....I drive a petrol car so its like me hiring a diesel to increase my range, I just wouldn't! Its not an honest run because of that.

[@swoop1352]

Tell ya what, in the spirit of Christmas, like the famous football game......Geoff and Lee are doing a Christmas special, journey undecided. Why not kick a football over to them and join in? Put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Yeah man. See you on December 6th at Donnington, open track day, EVs are welcome. I've booked a garage.

[@johnnunn8688]

I can brim full my diesel tank and then drive until also empty, ad infinitum. No one ever says, ‘ooh, you must not fill your car above 80% or it will shorten the life of your tank’.

[@clarkwgriswold157]

Great video. Have downloaded the app ready for when I hopefully pick up a Zoe. Been caught many a time on the A9. And M74. Nothing you can about but frustrating when you have a long journey ahead. Looking forward to part 2. 👍

[@aguyfromthe60s7]

Where’s your buddy in an old diesel for comparison?

[@michaelgoode9555]

Been waiting for this. Popcorn and beer enabled ... 👍

[@timetochange4376]

I wonder if your change of plan to charge at Stirling was due to problems where you were going to charge? You say that luckily there was one charger space available when you stopped, try that on a bank holiday Monday. Also I also noticed a lot of adverts here promoting EV's. Do you receive any money from EV car manufacturers?

[@ModernHeroes]

Hamilton is closer to Penrith than Stirling. HTH. Yeah manufacturers are giving loads of money to channels with 9k subs 😂

[@thomasobrien8850]

@@ModernHeroes calm down son... 9k subs 🤣🤣🤣😛

[@craigwatters127]

Charging to 100%? Didn't you cuss the MacMaster for that? If you had watched his video you would have known fine about A9 roadworks, they have only been there 4 years!

[@ModernHeroes]

Didn’t charge to 100% in journey 🤷‍♂️

[@richardblayney5898]

The point is that you dont start a long journey by not charging the day before. That was because Macmuncher was engineering a failure into the journey before the start. Every video that excuse for a human does is just pure lies and FUD for views ….

[@moragkerr9577]

People don't really understand the logic of this, do they? And by people, I mean you.

[@craigwatters127]

@@moragkerr9577 Correct! I will never understand the logic of an electric vehicle.

[@moragkerr9577]

@@craigwatters127 Don't despair, there is hope. Everyone has at one time learned something, and understood something they didn't understand before. But sensible people try not to make uninformed comments about things they don't understand, lest they make themselves look like absolute plonkers. Maybe that's something else you could aspire to learn.

[@garycole3204]

I can't afford an ev, plus I want a stress free drive

[@David-bl1bt]

I did a 3500 mile drive to the costa del sol last year in my EV with absolutely no stress whatsoever.

[@garycole3204]

@@David-bl1bt that's not the uk 😕

[@richardhintonracing]

That is the typical road conditions. Your average speed 39MPH - A great deal more congestion in South East England . Traffic levels lighter at the weekend than weekdays .

[@philhartley7564]

Let's face it MH, you put your head above the parapet on this one. I'm in full agreement with you, having watched both videos, but (IMO) it is pointless trying to convince the people on here. No example you provide will satisfy everyone and you will never get agreement from people who, seemingly, have bladders the size of bathtubs, are prepared to travel much further in one stint than is considered safe before having a break, avoid eating for the entire length of their journey (as individuals and their families), do these sorts of trips on a daily basis and feel that throwing their money down the drain to benefit the fossil fuel moguls is a good way to spend their hard earned cash, is the right way to go. Personally, I'm just going the take all the savings/tax breaks offered to me, enjoy the peace and tranquility of driving a fantastic EV, and the speed available in the EV, with cleaner air at the tailpipe and let everyone else spend their money unwisely. The market will, and is, dictating the way we will go. Those onboard early will already have benefited and will benefit more and that's fine with me.

[@ModernHeroes]

That last sentence is exactly the bit the “omg they’ll tax it you know!!!!11” people don’t seem to understand.

[@ghostinthemachine76]

Did you not invalidate your insurance by driving more than 300 miles per day? And Lee never said “don’t buy an electric car”, that is a lie.

[@ModernHeroes]

No.

[@TK-Will.]

I think it all comes down to time and money. I value my time, I don’t want to be sat charging in an overpriced service station. I’m in and out within 15 mins, not sat at a fast food “restaurant” wondering what todo for the next 30-40mins. It’s also the cost of new EVs. The new 2024 Corsa is around £12,000 more expensive than the petrol equivalent, almost twice as much on monthly payments and a whole year longer on finance plus the added cost for electric. For me, it just doesn’t make financial sense. I easily do 12,000 miles a year. And according to Autotrader (based on current fuel prices) it’ll cost me around £1,287 in fuel, Which means that extra £12,000 I’d save (and put that money on a preloaded card just for fuel) I could run the ICE for almost 10 years before I had to pay for anymore fuel….🤔 maybe. Like I say, I do a lot of long distance driving, it’s more like 70/30 so time and range is important to me, each to their own at the end of the day. it’ll be interesting to see if you beat Geoff on time and money. Good luck

[@ModernHeroes]

Don’t buy an EV then 🤷‍♂️ and definitely not a Corsa (you’d not want a petrol Corsa if you do loads of miles either surely unless you’re some kind of masochist)

[@TK-Will.]

That’s the reason I’m not buying an EV There just too expensive. I just gave the corsa as an example.

[@KIERANPOTTS-w1x]

Don't forget the additional cost of depreciation of the EV version over ICE version.

[@agrubera75]

The title of your video is absolutely misleading as you mentioned in part 1 that you are RENTING a Polestar from Hertz and you won't do it in your EV which makes this comparison absolutely pointless. It should have been done in your daily driver EV to see how you will struggle to charge at every 30-50 miles or so and you would get it by now that EV's are NOT the way forward.

[@ModernHeroes]

😂 why would I need to charge a Zoe ZE50 every 30-50 miles?

[@AndyScotty82]

Your dinner at Sterling sounded like a relaxing experience!

[@Brian-om2hh]

The weather has been crap on 3 of the 4 occasions I've visited John O Groats. The ChargePlace Scotland chargers seemed well priced at 40p. My local public charge network charges 38p per kwh.

[@ModernHeroes]

Aye I’m not sure why I was surprised really 😅 the wind was absolutely mental though

[@richardhintonracing]

Day 3 still nothing are we to take it you have not got there yet ?

[@Scott-lt8qt]

Will be interested to watch the 2nd part. Me myself i have an ev. I love it. Big draw back is the lack of help you get from uk government to buy one. Other countries offer big deals to help people into a ev. And the public charging price needs sorting. Ive have had issues with the 12v battery losing charge. Hopefully nothing more

[@djtaylorutube]

In all honesty, why should the taxpayer fund EV purchase price? All that happens is that the list price goes up by that amount. It's a free bung from government to profit making companies. On paper, looks great "less government grant" but given a choice of fixing all the shit that the UK now has due to a moron enabled, criminally corrupt government, I'd rather not spend it on helping someone buy a brand new car!

[@Scott-lt8qt]

@@djtaylorutube that's your opinion . Thank you for taking the time to share it.

[@cliveprocter3698]

The govt is helping people buy EVs. 0% and now 1% or 2% Benefit in Kind tax on company car EVs and salary sacrifice schemes. Saves well paid people driving £30,000-£100,000+ cars hundreds of pounds a month in tax. Then the company can put the £30,00-£100,000 against their profits and pay less corporation tax. The EV also doesn't pay any VED or 'luxury car tax' costing the taxpayer many £1000s in lost tax.

[@Scott-lt8qt]

@@cliveprocter3698 thank you for your feedback. I would like to think people that buy cars for personal use. Would get some discount. As the main problem with new cars are ev is far to expensive to buy and run unless you can charge at home normal price cars are to high Pricing everyone out the market unless u get it on a lease deal. If the ice cars are getting priced off the road, clean air zones, car tax. And the car industry is pushing for clean air zone emissions. The average person should get help in getting the clean cars. New tela £50000. astra new £18,000. Why would you pay extra to get a clean car? Its the bigger picture of getting to net zero. Yes u don't pay car tax at the moment. Next year you will. Public chargers are 85p pet kw. Battery in ev say 64kw that's £54.40 for 200 miles. A ice car would cost u £14 for same miles. You have to give the public a hand to help them get a zone emissions car. Otherwise no will buy them. Remember diesel scrapage scheme. Tax payers help fun that. Truth of the matter is to help keep up with the ever changing world and its rules. U must give a little then take it back later. Via tax on electric 20% at public charging point. That the government get now. Then tax on ev. Coming in .

[@djtaylorutube]

​@@Scott-lt8qtNew Tesla is not £50k, it's £39k. What I don't understand here is the request for a government hand out to buy a new car when a new car can't be afforded anyway. ICE or EV. Buy a second hand one, no VAT, depreciation currently high. Tesla energy is half of that 85p you mentioned but that's not to say "just get a Tesla" because I agree the other networks are stupidly priced. All I usually read is "Problems with EV - too expensive" usually alongside "Problem with EV's is second hand EV prices falling rapidly". I'm confused! It's the same as "man in the street" (apparently) seeing Sunak as some hero by pushing back the date for the ban on the sale of new ICE by 5 years. Same "man in the street" apparently can't afford a new car anyway so would never have bought one new in 2030 and is therefore unaffected. Same "man in the street" probably doesn't realise it makes no difference as days later, Sunak signed up to the ZEV mandate, fixing the original quota of new sales to be EV. Manufacturers still on the original plan and won't "hurrah" and flip production lines back to ICE for an extended 5 years, they can't afford to.

[@bernardcharlesworth9860]

Zoe seats are good for 100miles but not for a 200mile non stopper

[@johhny711]

MacMaster and Geoffbuyscars sent me to keep an eye on you !

[@thomasobrien8850]

😂😂

[@laurieash646]

Your own EV, the Zoe, would be an absolute nightmare for any long journey with a real world winter range of around 100 miles, or less with age. You probably couldn't even find chargers every 90 miles or so in remote parts of the country. Whereas, a similar size ICE car like a VW Up would not have the same range issues and would easily make the journey and at a far cheaper cost than public chargers, and probably in half the time, which actually proves the very points Geoff and Lee made and well documented with their experiences. Nice try so far though 👏

[@ModernHeroes]

The Zoe ZE50 does not have a real world range of 100 miles in any conditions unless you’re going to drive it flat out the entire way (good luck on UK roads). I assume you don’t own one 🤷‍♂️

[@GeoffBuysCars]

@@ModernHeroesdoesn’t have a real world range of 100 miles?! It might as well have an electric cord 😂🤦‍♂️

[@4wheelsgood]

Having actually run a ZE50 for two years now I can confirm in the depths of winter four up on motorway can do 170miles easily.

[@laurieash646]

I've never had bubonic plague either but still know enough to conclude I don't want it.

[@imbethondion4572]

@@GeoffBuysCars I think you're missing the point - the ZE50's range is a lot more than 100 miles, even in winter.

[@davidlewis4399]

Hardly a fair comparison 50K EV which most people cant afford V an ancient Diesel.

[@ModernHeroes]

The comparison is to the 120K EV that someone made an arse of the same journey in - I’m not interested in old diesels 🤷‍♂️

[@stevenbennett95]

how much did it cost in charging.......and geoff never used a polo he used a big engine car on purpous

[@ModernHeroes]

So why is it a problem using a big EV to respond to someone making an arse of the journey in a Taycan? So many people whinging on about renting a £50k EV rather than using a supermini and being stupidly uncomfortable for days.

[@TomTwain]

The only thing you've proved here is you have a great deal of trouble admitting to yourself that you are catastrophically wrong... The Diesel beat the EV on cost, on time, on convenience and you simply can't accept the fact !

[@ModernHeroes]

Didn’t at any point suggest otherwise 🤷‍♂️.

[@normanmacpherson]

That's the whole point, ev owners can't admit they've made the wrong decision buying one and are constantly seeking support from each other for justification. The market never lies.

[@johnnunn8688]

When a charging station is busy, how does the queuing system work? From what I’ve seen, there is no system, just a mad free for all will charger rage getting popular.

[@willh9386]

Regularly take the A9 there is a cheeky charger just past Aviemore .. the roadworks on the A9 are torture … next time take the Braemar / Glenshee road it’s banging. The sad music halfway through lmfao 🤣 about greeting at you sitting in traffic 🤣🤣🤣I have done 15 k this year in the Volvo so feel your pain