ARE ELECTRIC CARS REALLY FIT FOR LONG ROAD TRIPS?

[@mowermanone1621]

Thank you for doing this experiment. I found out about your challenge acceptance through the MacMasters channel and thought I’d give you a look. I live in the United States and do not own an electric car. I agree with you renting a more comfortable car, especially for a long journey. I’d have done the same. I’m watching because I’m interested in your results, not to poke fun or brawl with your subscribers. I also regret that other viewers of MacMaster may have been belligerent. They shouldn’t be, this isn’t personal, it’s just a test. Thank you.

[@ModernHeroes]

Thank you and thanks for watching!

[@captainnutnut6077]

​@@ModernHeroesI'm with this guy insomuch as I totally abhor personal attacks and insinuations by MacMaster subs simply because they disagree with your opinions. I came here after watching his videos to get another perspective as someone who is on the fence about EVs as a whole. I'll fully admit I'm a petrolhead, but I'm not totally dismissive of EVs.....except maybe Teslas, but that's a whole other story! Anyway Anyway, thanks for the great video, I'll be sure to sub if I haven't already. Peace.

[@nonsequitor]

We have a thing over here called Top Gear. It was overly laddish, petrol head, anti environmental and quite fun. In the 2000's. Unfortunately, the legions of people trying to be Jeremy Clarkson aren't fun, and also missed the fact that TG occasionally played sort of straight and at least admitted when things needed respecting. They also resolutely backed the underdog. Unfortunately some people haven't realized you can do popularism AND humility - although holding Top Gear up as a sign of doing things right just shows how low the bar is set.

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

I have not watched the video yet but I'm guessing Geoff Buys Cars was still the fastest and had the least hassle in his 2 grand Diesel.🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@davewheatley3149]

I follow Lee and thoroughly enjoy his videos. I do also agree with you about renting the bigger car. It is an absolutely valid choice for such a journey. I feel the world is far too "Us and Them" at the minute. No need for personal remarks or anything like that. Sorry you've had to read these kind of things on your channel.

[@peterbunker7165]

Hello again. I'm the bloke that bought your cheapest Hyundai Ioniq in the country. I love it. 3000 miles on the clock, averaging 4.8m/kwh. I wanted to say thanks for doing this video and I'm very sorry for the personal abuse you've suffered. I watched the original video of the BMW and Taycan. Not all of it as I could tell it was bollocks. Yours was perfectly fine. I've only done one long journey since buying my Ioniq, Sheffield to Torquay and back, and with a bit of planning, was a piece of cake. My passengers actually preferred the journey to doing it in my old petrol car as the three or four short stops broke up the journey. As an aside, I used the Exeter services you mention and thought 'bloody hell!' As Churchill said, Keep Buggering On.

[@ClanMidgard]

The point is what it is like to drive an EV from John O'Groats to Lands End... doesn't matter whether it was rented, owned, or gifted. The journey and what it is like is important. Anyone who says otherwise needs to really look at themselves and think about what their issue really is. Very cool video sir, I look forward to the break down of costs in part 3. I am thinking of doing this with my R135 Renault Zoe next summer as an interesting experiment for our lovely car. It will definitely be a longer journey (50kw fast charge only), but should be an interesting journey anyway. Especially as we are coming from Northern Ireland :D

[@ciupak7932]

If that the point....he should use his own.

[@Jimages_uk]

@@ciupak7932Why, he is doing a route that someone else seems to think is Hard in a car with a huge battery, and very fast charging. I think he has just shown how simple it is for an average EV driver.

[@Richieguy10]

@@Jimages_uk​​⁠save your ‘breath’ Jim…. Lee Lack lustre (or whatever his name is) and his neophyte numpty brigade are ironically so evangelistic themselves that they simply don’t want to hear or see anything that goes against their beliefs. Well, Lee Lack Lustre’s alleged beliefs anyway. It is quite clear that the vast majority of the nay sayers have never owned or even driven an EV let alone fact checked the BS sprouted about them. 😂

[@davidfoster7430]

​@@Jimages_ukshould have been like for like mileage per charge clearly it wasn't so his journey would have alot easier,it ain't rocket science 🤔

[@Jimages_uk]

@@davidfoster7430 Was that the stipulation in MacMaster’s video? Thought not…

[@steve-zschannel2729]

Can’t understand why people who follow other KZbin influencers find it necessary to bad mouth you, shame on them. You’re doing a great job Gary, keep it up. I certainly think doing the trip would be possible in a Zoe but it would need the optional CCS rapid fitment, it would be a problematic trip if you had to rely on a maximum 22kW AC particularly as they aren’t that common.

[@Sp_75-76]

I was always told if you have to rely on abuse, then you have already lost the argument

[@jarthurs]

Did a small part of that journey (Evesham to Wadebridge) in October and I suspect you did it a mite quicker than I did in my Leaf! I got to Exeter and only 8 of the Gridserve chargers were live (the rest were being commissioned) but that was the only charger I had to wait for... The infrastructure isn't perfect, but when you think there was 25 years between the first petrol car hitting the UK roads and the first petrol station opening it just goes to show what progress we've actually made.

[@moragkerr9577]

Confession time. In a previous life I used to leave work 5.30/6.00 (pm) in Sussex and drive home 430 miles to central Scotland, getting there about midnight. In a Peugeot 306 GTi6, and before that a Fiesta XR2. I literally squirted the petrol in, ran in and paid for it plus a bar of chocolate I grabbed in passing, and got back on the road. (The Peugeot had a 60-litre tank and could have done it non-stop, but I never started from full.) Then I would do it in reverse three days later. It was called a Bank Holiday weekend. Somebody should probably have stopped me. I never had an accident and I always stayed alert, but I guess I was lucky too. In the summer there I did it all again in a 51 KWh MG4. I wasn't hurrying. I needed three charging stops because I wasn't prepared to throttle my motorway speed to conserve range, but I enjoyed each one, even the one where I had to wait ten minutes for a charger and had a nice chat with other EV drivers who were waiting. It took most of the day, but I arrived as fresh as a daisy. I'm a total convert. If I'd still been intent on doing these Bank Holiday dashes, I wouldn't have bought an EV. Except, now I've got used to the MG4, I'd probably just go for the Extended Range one and get on with it.

[@wintersun398]

That's an incredible journey, and I used to do journeys when I was younger that I wouldn't contemplate now. You don't give exact start/end locations, but I've had a look on google maps for some ideas! You say Sussex, so being generous, let's say Gatwick airport, ending at Bellshill, Glasgow. That's near as dammit 430miles. In an ICE, google is quoting 8hr26 via M40, M6! I'm assuming by the vintage of the cars, it's around 1988-90? That's definitely before the era of fixed speed cameras. I'm estimating you must have been driving well above 90 on long stretches to achieve a 6hour journey time. It's maintaining at least 71mph across the entire trip, which of course isn't possible at roundabouts, heavier traffic, and slowing down for the break stops. Also that's 33 years ago. If we ignore speed cameras and the much higher quantity of cars, HGV's on the road, do you think you'd be cabable of doing it given the passing of time? When you say the drive in the MG4 it took you most of the day, do you mean most of 24hours! lol

[@moragkerr9577]

@@wintersun398 You're not far out. The village of Southwater (which is 20 miles south of Gatwick, on the A24) to Wishaw, in Lanarkshire. I was working in Southwater and going home to my parents' (latterly my mother's) for holidays. I never quite knew how far it was but the AA Route Planner says 430 miles. I did it more times than I care to remember. Yes, I was speeding. After a couple of early brushes with the law in the XR2 I got quite good at seeing them before they saw me. And of course eventually it was motorway from the time I got on to the M25 until I left the M74 at Canderside Toll. And yes I was averaging over 70. I started doing a similar trip in 1982, using my father's car, but only as far as Hatfield. That Datsun was no speed merchant though. In 1985 I bought a Fiesta 1.1L and things got a bit better. I still remember the first time I drove that car up, and realising how well it was taking the road compared to the Datsun! But it wasn't good at fast overtaking, and in 1993 I got rid of it for the XR2. The fast times were done starting from then. Over these years I saw the A74 in the Southern Uplands upgraded to the M74, and then for a while there was a section of A6 from Carlisle to the border that hadn't been upgraded. Eventually Scotland and England were joined by a complete motorway system and that sped things up a lot. The really fast times I think were after the motorways were joined up. Oh yes, and I was literally singing the Hallelujah Chorus when the M6 toll road opened. I remember (in the old Fiesta) striking out cross-country to avoid the jams caused by the Lockerbie air disaster just before Christmas 1988. I remember horrendous delays due to road works in the 1980s and into the 1990s. But that got a lot better as they started managing roadworks much better to keep the traffic flowing. People moan about roadworks these days, but they should have seen the M6 and the M1 back then. In spite of all that there were lots of times I did it before midnight, with my cat snoozing on the passenger seat, and neither of us even needing a pee the entire way!

[@jcflippen1552]

Thanks for your efforts. I cannot understand the criticisms you have received. A car is a car and it is immaterial whether you own it or rent it. Mr EV used to use Onto as his car supplier and don’t think he has had criticism for that.The facts of your trip and how easy it was should be an eye opener for those thinking of getting an EV. The gruelling 30second task of planning the route and charging stops with ABRP was a good point to highlight.👍

[@openminded3763]

I suspect the point being made about hiring a car for the trip is that the cost of EVs prevents a lot of people from buying an EV that is suited or good for long journeys. MH himself said that he hired a Polestar because he didn't fancy doing the trip in his Zoe. What his reasons are for owning a Zoe does not really detract from that point..

[@moragkerr9577]

@@openminded3763 It's not about affording, it's about showing that the right sort of car for these trips does exist. It's not a Zoe. A Taycan isn't great either, because it has terrible fuel economy (and hence a relatively short range), and speed limits prevent it doing what it does best. But basically Lee MacMaster was making the choices that would lead to stress, drama, and the opportunity to ham it up for clicks and giggles. It's not reality TV.

[@johnmcconville6055]

@@moragkerr9577 I have been calling out both these guys on their "facts" for ages,and no matter what I say they completely ignore it.What has changed recently is that having asked people to comment,then ridicule them for disagreeing with their narrative.Stoke up their supporters against any common sense.Thats up to them but they bump into issues soon with something or someone.I just switched them off now.I can't be bothered.

[@stevecook2191]

​@@johnmcconville6055I agree. He has the channel solely for clickbait. He saw a market for anti EV and used that to make himself money. He then teams up with GBC who is also in it to make money from hating EVs. How people can't see through that is mi boggling

[@moragkerr9577]

@@johnmcconville6055 Lee is definitely at it. He obviously really likes that car and I'll be interested to see how he justifies keeping it, or getting another EV sports car, when the lease period ends. He's just found a line that sells, not criticising the car, but criticising the infrastructure. Something we could all sympathise with if it was done honestly. I'm not sure about Geoff. Sometimes he says things that make me think he's complicit, but recently on Twitter he was giving a good impression of someone who had been taken in by Lee's bullshit. I don't think they've known each other all that long. But Geoff is a real petrolhead and anti-EV merchant (with a streak of the conspiracy theorist), and he's predisposed to believe this nonsense.

[@mikadavies660]

Nice to see the quality of people that came over from MacMaster, just to slag you off!! People must be pretty dense to not understand that people buy cars relevant to their needs and everyone doesn't buy £70,000 to £120,000 cars "just in case".

[@stevebeever2442]

Same goes the other way mate

[@ciupak7932]

Can I do JOG to LE in EV....of course...even in Zoe....issue is - will be pleasant and cost effective (take family with you) ? or it's ALL about ....I didn't produce any CO2 in my EV ....so I'm saving the planet ?

[@MiniMicroMan1]

Renting the Polestar is a very good match when comparing the journey time to the Taycan.

[@davidsworld5837]

you have to look polestar half the price of a taycan. the taycan is very poor so it is harder and costs more. but Lee is a moaner. just for clicks and earn loads of money

[@Brian-om2hh]

If I were doing this trip, I'd opt for the Polestar knowing it was initially a Volvo design concept, sold to Polestar (Volvo is now Chinese owned). The Polestar has some of the best seats you will find in any car, as they are Volvo designed. Just what you need for a trip like this....

[@Gobbbbb]

Still wasn't a great match for the BMW though, was it? Which is the entire point of this.

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

@@davidsworld5837 He has to pay for the horrific depreciation on his milk float.

[@grahamjohnson4702]

@@Gobbbbb I think the point is that MacMaster found it more difficult than it really needed to be, it was admitted that the diesel would still have won.

[@mistymu8154]

I feel like more people should buy cars more for their every day needs, than having a car that does that long journey once or twice a year, where surely renting a car would make much more sense.

[@mistymu8154]

@@peter_peter_pumpkin_eater Then your needs are different and a longer range car makes sense. My commute is 15 miles each way every day. I do a longer distance journey maybe 2-3 times a year.

[@briangriffiths114]

Really enjoyed the video and the relaxing music that went with it. My wife and I noted that you are a very safe driver who reads the road well ahead, while still maintaining a decent speed. Do not be surprised if the channel now sees a rise in subscribers as a result of this initiative, despite the unwelcome negativity from the anti-EV brigade.

[@peterforshaw2560]

Just bought a mini electric for daily use 10-20 miles and gotta say it’s bloody marvellous, that comes from an anti ev guy. Costs me literally pence per day and the car drives amazing. Oh also got a diesel estate car for the long trips.. best of both worlds imo 😊

[@lifebeyondbricks]

Nice video, thanks for being honest about the test. Like how you actually mention when charging could be better at certain sites, very well balanced view point. Now, unfortunately, you will have to deal with the wrath of Geoff’s and Lee’s ICE EVangelist’s

[@EarnshawUK]

Agreed. Hence I own an Ioniq 28kWh. I can go for months without charging anywhere but home. Next week I will drive down to Peterborough. OK, a few stops but they will be when I need a break too. Keep it up!

[@Knott1701]

I frequently drive to France on a route of just over 470 miles. Comparing travel time between my old ICE car and my EV it takes roughly half an hour longer, but not really noticeable. You have to wait at Eurotunnel, so charging there doesn't add anything to the journey. Stop for lunch, car's usually charged before i make it to desert (probably for the best). Just for safety sake top up again whilst getting a coffee mid afternoon, and then I'm there. Not a problem. Running costs have gone from over £90 for ICE (admittedly not the most efficient on the market), under £38 for EV (have done it with £34, arrive with less than 5% charge, i do prefer more contingency encase of road closures etc). No service costs doesn't hurt.

[@GordonReay]

Great counter point to Lee's experience. Perhaps you should team up with The MacMaster and help him with his next challenge against Geoff. I know it's not to easy, but a comparison between the environmental impact between electric and ICE would be informative. Thank you for your efforts, and ignore the haters 😉

[@stevecook2191]

😂😂😂 He definitely needs the help, he has been shown up by Gary

[@1973Hog]

Thanks for all of your videos. I always find them both informative and entertaining. Several years ago we had kids in school in Connecticut and I had to make the journey from here in Central Florida to haul their stuff. I always rented a vehicle because I didn’t want to put the 2,400 miles on my car as well as being able to drive a vehicle that was more suited to towing a small trailer. I admit that since I was alone I tended to stay on the road with 15 minute stops every 2-3 hours with an extended lunch and dinner break. I made the 1,200 mile trip in about 26 elapsed hours with a 6 hour overnight stay in a hotel. Not a trip that I would like to do frequently but acceptable twice a year for the 5 years that it was needed. Hang in there and ignore the Negative Nancy’s out there. Too many miserable souls hiding behind anonymous posts online.

[@kennethstewart7957]

What I find crazy is that any discussion of the length of time people should be driving for does not include a reference to rule 91 of the highway code. "plan your journey to take sufficient breaks. A minimum break of at least 15 minutes after every two hours of driving is recommended."

[@Robert-yb3gm]

It doesn’t matter what EV you use as long as it has similar battery like you say if you were in a Tycan you would have charged quicker so in fact you proved the journey was easier because it took you longer to do it (if you understand what I’m trying to say) it was a great, honest,video unlike the “clickbait Lee” version. I’m sure you deal with the nasty comments as you should -stick em in the bin !

[@moragkerr9577]

The Taycan's battery is enormous, but his fuel economy (especially as he won't use regeneration) is absolutely terrible. He hasn't got much more range than my 51 KWh MG4. He does have the potential to charge at the speed of light, but since he drives past ultra-rapid chargers to plug in to 50 Kw village-green chargers, it doesn't do him much good. A bit rich using the equivalent of the petrol sports car that struggles to get 20 mph as the comparator for a "how much does it cost" challenge.

[@steamsearcher]

EXETER was the headquarters of SWEB so full power of course. Says someone who spent 20 years working in the wonderful place without power cuts. Stopped so many times in the services since moving to Plymouth. Much Love and thank you for posting David and Lily.

[@ModernHeroes]

Ha - no problems with grid connections there then!!

[@moragkerr9577]

@@ModernHeroes Imagine saying you prefer Ionity chargers, then driving right past a site with 12 of them, pretty close to the end of your range, so you can get range anxiety and compete for only four Ionity chargers eight miles further on. Then you (apparently, I do wonder about some of this) run into grid supply issues where you actually stopped, which was a small rural town. But the place you didn't go into was in a big town/city where the grid connections would be much more stable. Oh you don't have to imagine it, Lee MacMaster did it.

[@michaelketley1252]

I seems imminently sensible to hire a suitable car for an infrequent long journey. It represents a huge saving on keeping a more expensive EV and rarely exploiting its range.

[@thelaserhive3368]

You’re right. No one ever needs to drive between JOG and LE. The only point is to show that the journey is ( or isn’t) achievable - which you did. The bigger picture is that many many people take their EVs away abroad on holiday and use them in exactly the way that ‘normal’ cars are used. For instance, @tillathenun who drives from the UK to Italy and back and @jonathanporterfield who ( as I write) is driving back up to Orkney from the south coast.

[@ModernHeroes]

Yeah both of whom put me to shame for my want for comfort, doing it in an e-208 and Zoe respectively!

[@garryjackson9161]

No one needs a watch that’s waterproof at 300 meters but that’s what people want

[@MoosesValley]

Appreciate you doing this challenge and your insights into EV use. Renting a bigger, more comfortable car for a long journey is perfectly valid in my book. You are quite right to buy a car that suits 99+% of your needs and rent a bigger car if / when needed. Yes, I'm here after seeing Smokie Geoff and Lee MacMaster videos. Now subscribed to you as well.

[@judebrown4103]

As others have said I think many people would choose to rent a car for a long journey if their daily driver would not be comfortable. I'm so glad youre such a strong character and let those wicked comments blow over your head. Why do people have to be nasty, what possible joy can they get out of it? I've never understood the mentality of those people, i really haven't. So sorry youve had to put up with that kind of thing. We're relatively new ev owners and have found that if you have to be stuck in a traffic jam an ev is the place to be. So much less stressful waiting for traffic to move, no engine rumbling and rattling and no "range anxiety" about how much petrol its drinking without going anywhere! Great fun, looking forward to the stats, wonder how it compares to the price of a train journey? Enjoyed the views too, looked like a lovely crisp day on this part of the run. 👍👏

[@davidkramrisch]

1) Fully valid to use a rented car. Ignore MacMaster. I am now as he has gone “off the wall”. 2)I tried a Tesla charger again at Trafford centre and this time it worked with my PS2. Ie plug in to car, start the app and select charger and it works!

[@ModernHeroes]

That's great! I found it really easy when I used them, so glad you've got it working.

[@peterkent2138]

Great video, looking forward to the stats in part 3. There will always be people on both extremes of any topic, you have to watch as much as you can and make an informed decision. EV's in some form are the future but as I see it the technology and defiantly infrastructure are not at a point where I would consider buying one.

[@Lewis_Standing]

Depends on how much you travel, the average is 6000 miles a year or less than 20 miles a day . So for millions of people with a drive, they will barely ever have to interact with anything but their own charger.

[@philhartley7564]

Excellent video with good points, well made. Personally, I wouldn't give the MacMasters videos a click, it is all just clickbait and a lot of people follow the EV bashing rubbish and actually believe it - but that's fine, I'm enjoying my 2nd EV now, long trips (400-500 miles a day), short trips, motorway, country roads, A roads and it is fantastic. I wouldn't consider changing my EV for an ICE car.

[@duncanheyes8168]

Great part two, factual and not biased in any way. Looking forward to the cost analysis, keep the videos coming 👍🏻

[@marcsroberts]

Nah man, a rented car is fully valid, it's pretty fair to compare your experience in a Polestar to someone in a Taycan regardless of who owns what, and what you use as a daily driver. If you'd hired a Tesla I'd see grounds for calling foul but not two cars with the same choice of network.

[@ModernHeroes]

Was dreading Hertz upgrading me to a Tesla (it's the only upgrade route they can offer from the Polestar, AIUI) and facing that - though I'd have just stuck to public-only chargers if they did.

[@marcsroberts]

@@ModernHeroes you’d actually be at a disadvantage if you did that too because the Tesla won’t route to 3rd party chargers or preheat the pack for charging. Anyway, didn’t come to that so not relevant thankfully!

[@Brian-om2hh]

MacMaster did it in his leased Porsche.....and his pal bought a car specially for the trip....

[@adamodavis]

It does now route to non Tesla chargers, if you so choose.

[@marcsroberts]

@@adamodavis interesting, what when you program in somewhere far away you can get it to include instavolt for example? I’ll have a play next time I’m in the car. I’ve never needed to try and it’s not obvious…

[@CreativeMasters94]

Been watching you for a while and find your videos great/interesting, hope you continue to make them! Sorry for the Personal attacks you’ve been getting they’re not needed, looking forward to the costs video though as I know since the energy costs went up there’s been very little in the way of them coming back down for public charging especially. I recently did a trip from Leicestershire to Holland in my MG4 with Electroverse card only and Electroverse app for ‘planning’. Had zero issues and really wanted to film the journey but just chose not to as first time driving that far abroad! I did actually skip a charge stop in the UK and carried on until I was in France due to it being less than half charging cost in France so arrived with about 10% at most left at the first charger.

[@ModernHeroes]

Costs are bad, not gonna try to sugar coat it! It’s amazing the difference in other countries.

[@grahamjohnson4702]

The last time I was in France a couple of years ago the diesel was dearer than the UK. We always used to fill up in France years ago when doing the beer runs but the French must be lived at the quick rise in price.

[@NeilSissons-u5e]

I was at Exeter services on a rainy Wednesday afternoon in May. I was amazed at how many chargers they had. I was even more amazed that they were all full, with many EVs stopped in inconvenient places waiting for a charger to become free. You reckon 12 chargers will be sufficient at a motorway services?!!! No way. In the summer I reckon a couple of hundred would be barely sufficient.

[@ModernHeroes]

There's absolutely no way you need "a couple of hundred" chargers at every service station - there will need to be more at sites like Exeter which serve both carriageways and are quite far from other sites but there's parts of the M6 for example where service stations are very close together too - these are the sites where I think lower numbers (like 12, not 2 or 3) would suffice at least for a significant amount of time.

[@dereknicol5284]

Don't forget that the % of ev's on the road is still small, imagine a holiday weekend when we have 75% ev's.

[@Sp_75-76]

@@dereknicol5284but you are talking many years from now? Things are going to change substantially between now and then(apart from the production of fossil fuels of course)

[@smithleon]

Great video, ending summary was absolutely spot on. I have a diesel and an EV and despite having the choice, even on the longest road-trip, i'd choose the EV every time, it's simply a nicer thing to be in. EV haters seem to often forget that almost every EV driver is going to have driven an iCE car for the last xx years....we know the differences!!

[@johnhowesauthor]

Good video, and well done for ignoring the haters. I love my Polestar 2. We did a few long journeys this year from the Midlands into Cornwall. Absolutely no issues charging. The infrastructure has improved hugely this year. Anyone claiming they need to drive 300 miles without a 30min break is a moron.

[@adamodavis]

As I said in part 1, a brave video! Glad it was (mostly) well received. Enjoying part 2. I think my “fleet” is perfect- Long journeys = Tesla Local = small EV Fun = TVR

[@kevinsquire5460]

Well said I wouldn't do this journey in any 'city car' of any fuel type I had a MG Metro back in the 80's as a car for short journeys it was great but long journeys no thanks Great videos

[@Joe-lb8qn]

I did a 1300 mile continental trip earlier this year, about 400 miles a day, in a 250 mile range or so car, nd we stopped twice a day...... to stop. Only one stop of which we needed to charge at for the trip but we'd usually charge both times because why not if we were having a coffee or lunch or whatever. The only accomodation to an EV was stopping where there was a charger rather than just anywhere but at least on the continent nearly all the chargers were at places that had facilties. I can only think of two that didnt (and they were both right outside the hotels we were stopping at.

[@chapmandu2]

Well done. Reflects the experience of most ev drivers most of the time, fairly uneventful and perfectly doable. Personally I find the range of my bladder is a lot less than the range of my ev battery.

[@R08Tam]

I've been driving electric since 2017. Had a Leaf then a Mk1 Soul EV which got smashed into on Exeter Services car park (I won't go there ever again). I'm now driving an MG5 which I love. I do long trips about 3 times per annum and have rarely had problems with charging.

[@Willy_Eckerslyke]

Good on you for taking up the challenge. Well done!!

[@Willy_Eckerslyke]

And as for the fact that some people are commenting about you in staff of what you are doing - sadly some people are just rather scummy. Nil Carborundum.

[@dh10178]

Totally agree. Had my polestar long range for 3 months and do big trips a few times a month on motorways. I only use ionity as its discounted to 30p/kwh and its cheap as chips. Setting the car to pre warming is amazing especially as no deicing required! Also 430bhp and 4wd helps 😂

[@AdamJermaneJones]

I’d love to say I’m shocked about the comments you’ve had, but I’m not. I once made a video about making a camera out of a matchbox and most comments I received were about my finger nails. I love your videos. They’re so honest. Keep going

[@Guardian0v4Eva]

Great video, honest and unbiased options. No click bait showmanship bull. 👍

[@alancobbin]

One of the very reasons why I follow this chap 👍

[@stephenlee5929]

I'm not sure this is unbiased, but I think it is honest, accurate and great video.

[@stevecook2191]

​@@stephenlee5929what bit do you think is unbiased?

[@stephenlee5929]

@@stevecook2191 what?

[@markarmstrong9550]

Many years ago I used to do multiple hundred mile journeys in a £100 20 year old fiesta. Small but comfortable car. Comfy on long journeys. Easy to add range to in 5 mins from a petrol station. With EV's we seem to have cars with medium range, only if they are large and expensive. It used to be possible to get small cheap comfy cars with long range that are quick to refill. Not so with EVs. EVs are fine for low mileage per day users as demonstrated by your satisfaction with your Zoe in general and needing to get an alternative for a long trip. Similar to my situation where we have a cheapish small EV leaf for short trips and a petrol for everthing else. I think Lee and you are at different extremes, reality is in between those extremes. A reality that is perhaps boring for youtube. EVs are getting there slowly and might be fine in about 10-15 years. Fine for an increasing minority now. Hopefully in 15 years it will be possible to pick up a cheap small comfy second hand EV that can do hundreds of miles easily and we don't need to consider this new concept of right sizing which did not used to exist (in terms of range).

[@ModernHeroes]

We obviously have different ideas of what comfort is - I think there's a pretty big difference between deciding it's bearable because it's all you have and it actually being comfortable. I wouldn't use an ICE equivalent of my Zoe for this trip either given a cheap alternative exists.

[@ziggarillo]

This is hardly an extreme point of view. The fact is, this is the truth.

[@markarmstrong9550]

​@@ModernHeroessure, comfort is subjective, but I don't see how comfort requires a large expensive car. There are cheaper smaller cars that are comfy and large uncomfy cars. A fiesta sized car can be comfy easily I think. I have been in a 3 series that really was not. Currently with EVs there is no option though, expensive for medium range or slightly cheaper for short range is all you can do. ICE gives you the choice of cheap and long range.

[@Sp_75-76]

@@markarmstrong9550 I don't understand your argument, There is nothing to stop you having a cheap long rang ICE car for the next 30 years or so , during which time price of EV's will come down and battery technology will improve speed of charging so you will be able to make an informed choice

[@markarmstrong9550]

​@@Sp_75-76that is pretty much what I am saying. Hopefully it takes less than 30 years. For now, EVs are just expensive medium range.

[@michaelgoode9555]

You are spot on. I am intrigued to see that Jonathan Porterfield bought a Zoe online from Shoreham and now is driving it back to Orkney where he lives. As for the personal attacks: says everything about those who do this because their modus operandii is just hate and spite. Small minded and unpleasant people. Sad but true. MacM must be proud of his followers because he has not taken the opportunity to disown them. Nice man ... 🤔

[@ModernHeroes]

That is a proper epic trip Jonathan is doing - fair play to him. That Zoe is an absolute bargain too!

[@aguyfromthe60s7]

So what do you think this journey proves?

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@aguyfromthe60s7 That someone is spouting cobblers.....

[@jillkevinfrisby2743]

Many thanks for this video. Nice to see a balanced, factual, objective piece on EVs. Well done. I do think that a Polestar 2 vs a Porsche Taycan is an apples for apples comparison. Keep up the good work :)

[@pauldenney7908]

When I had a LEAF if I wanted to do a really long drive I hired a Tesla Model S. The savings I made driving the LEAF paid for it.

[@AndrewSmith-vt8fs]

Great video. Totally agree with everything you have said. Brought my Ionic 5 long range 18 months ago. Spent the first 3 months suffering from range anxiety and had a couple of bad charging experiences. But now I have no worry’s doing 150-300 mile journeys on a regular basis for work and have learned to charge smart. Going from an ice car to an EV does take some adjustment but I would never want to go back to driving that rattle Diesel with a clunky old gear box.

[@newty8150]

Well done Gary. Great video. Thanks. Super simple as anyone who has had an EV knows. Thanks for doing it though!

[@Jaw0lf]

I used to drive an Audi Q5 and it was too large to park in most car park spaces. I decided to buy a smaller car, with the intention that I would rent a car if ever I needed a large car. I ended up looking at EV range in the winter and ended up buying a Kia E Niro and have loved it, having summer range of around 260 miles, which is when I have made my longer trips such as Lincolnshire to Disneyland Paris. From 10% to 80% would take my car around 45 minutes, but this worked well as stopping to use facilities and eat meant we were back at the car as it finished charging. Now had I charged to 100% the extra 20% charge would have taken another 45 minutes. This is not economical and still gave me over 200 miles of range. Another 160 miles and happy to stop again. Then repeat until journey done. Slightly longer trip but you arrive feeling far less stressed. So well done for doing this test in a more reasonable way and to be honest many EV's can do over 250 miles, but I am looking at a Tesla now, due to their better range and efficiency.

[@philhartley7564]

A fine example of how cars (and EVs) are actually used

[@martinbyrne7050]

What Lee has never shared with his viewers he owns Digiteyes Multimedia Services Ltd in which I'm 99.9% sure he's bought the Taycan his company If you are solely using it for business purposes, you can reclaim the VAT and off-set the purchase price against corporation tax making significant savings. If you buy an electric car through your business but intend to keep it for personal use only, it will be considered a benefit in kind and will be subject to tax as if it were income. For most, there will be a portion of both business and personal use, giving a corporation tax saving to the company and a benefit in kind charge to the individual - fortunately this benefit in kind charge is relatively low for electric cars. So all this moaning he's doing loss money etc etc, when in fact he using the platform as Tax Management. Do not blame him but he plays his viewers for fools.

[@baconbuttties]

That's interesting. Lee claims his cars sticker price was 120k and he said he makes payments of around 1200 pound a month 😮 I'm not clued up on a company vehicle and wonder what the actual savings overall would be.

[@deanos102]

if you look at companies house it’s doing a voluntary strike off whatever that means

[@stevecook2191]

And he manages to suck in a lot of fools, that's for sure

[@Mancozeb100]

Great content, Gary. Have to agree, as recently did a trip from Dublin to Argyll area ( Tighnabruaich - as remote as I could make it!!) - about 350 miles, each way. One charge stop going there, one returning. Included also ferry crossings Larne-Cairnryan, and Portavadie-Tarbert (on Kintyre). Incidentally, my EV refused to go on fire on any of the 4 ferries. The whole trip was quite effortless. Thankfully there was a charger at the holiday chalet I was staying at. However , there was a fast charger 20 minutes away In Tighnabruaich, if I had needed it. Found the ChargePlace Scotland chargers quite good. The debate around EVs reminds me of the history of early petrol cars, with “red flag 🚩 men” having to walk in front of the them, to limit their speed, and also, the drivers needing to carry at least one can of petrol on the running boards (the early car version of a Frunk). Because they had range anxiety. Some people tend to be afraid of new ways and as you and others have said here, it will take time for them to become more accepting of changing technologies.

[@mpwaterhouse]

Thanks for producing more balanced non-"clickbaitey" titled perspectives on driving an EV. I'm a long time EV driver with my first test drive of a BMW i3 at CES. I sold my BMW 535i Wagon and leased a 2014 i3 BEV several months later. Great little car though its limited range was a challenge but my wife's ICE vehicle was useful for the occasional long range trip. Turned in the i3 then bought a 2018 Chevy Bolt which I drove until 2020. With its better range and in an effort to be a one-car family my wife sold her ICE we managed for a short while making several "long range" ~400+ mile trips with relative ease. Shortly after we did realise the challenge of one car so for a mere $5000 I bought a used 2013 Fiat 500e EV and my wife took on the Bolt as her primary car. So we have been driving EVs for almost 10 years - no regrets, no major issues, no out-of-juice incidents we only rented an ICE for one lengthy trip but that had more to do with capacity than range. The only battery issue we had with the Fiat was a dying 12V lead-acid - surprisingly the breakdown vehicle simply connected jump-start cables long enough to engage the high-voltage drive subsystem and I was able to take it down to the garage for a replacement!

[@mcdon2401]

A curious argument they're putting across... I don't have a tow bar on my car, but if I do have cause to use my parents' trailer, I'll borrow my parent's car to go with it. And if the other fella bought a Taycan because he commutes 10 miles a week, but once a year does a 1000 mile journey, that questions his perception of reality, and also how he's got any disposable income left if he'll waste it on something so impractical. By his logic, everyone should be driving Luton vans, because one day, you may want to move house. I bought a car that suits my day to day needs. If I need to massively exceed that, I'll borrow/hire something else.

[@EVoLutionAutoDrivingSchool]

Well done Gary. People with an open mind will enjoy your warts n all appraisal. Let those afraid of change get all salty. Ad hominem attacks totally prove you’re the one with integrity 👍🏻

[@garethmoores6959]

Well done, nice to see this being achieved. Having said I took my Merc in for a service on Tuesday, and was offered a EQC as a loan car for the day. I needed to drive to Wisbech from Manchester, the car had 80% charge.. would you risk it having no experience of charging, being stranded in rural Lincolnshire….? I took an E-Class diesel hybrid thank god 😅

[@dalroth10]

I think you can fairly and honestly say the challenge set was comfortably met. Well done and keep up the good work! 👍

[@john1040]

thank you for a great video, as a non EV driver yet i find it really enjoyable to watch, i do not really care what car was used, it that you proof that it can be done fairly easier in a EV, thank you

[@justaspartan8203]

In your part 3, would you include the time you have spent charging? Just another thing to consider, is you have a passenger who can drive, it’s quite easy to drive 400 miles with time restricted breaks and a lot of working people would do that. Thank you.

[@Lodgejohn2]

Yes, you completed the drive, but, even in your own car, you would have done this. Interested in how long did it take? How much did it cost? The point of the Mac Master run was the comparison/competition with a diesel car, not just a simple drive at your convenience.

[@chrisbwhittle]

Three acquaintances of mine who have an EV for driving into work think they are ideal for that, particularly as it’s driving into London. Two have kept their second car, an ICE, for longer journeys after horrendous problems with charging, queuing for chargers, restrictions of parking times, low charging rates, chargers not working and longer journey times. Having said that, the third one is replacing his ICE vehicle with a second EV as he has never had charging problems. EVs work for some but not all.

[@bshah4831]

Polestar 2 is very popular in the UK; one of the best markets for Polestar,. I do at least 10k miles a year, I never drive more than 2 hours without a break for a coffee, which always takes at least 20 minutes after you've walked to the services and queued for the coffee!

[@Sp_75-76]

You and most sensible people👍

[@greglewis8843]

Journey looked pretty straightforward to me I've done a few long ones myself no real problems.dont think I'd want to try it in ami. Thanks

[@ObiePaddles]

‘Back in the day’ we uses to have a small car, call a mat or hire a car with a tow bar when we needed to tow something, or just get something delivered. And ‘back in the day’ is also now. So renting a car for specific purposes is valid.

[@djtaylorutube]

Yeah see that's why I have five cars. I still need to add a transit van for carrying those pesky 8x4 sheets, a 3.5 tonne flatbed for when I want to pick up logs and a cherry picker for pruning the trees. Wait!...I can hire when I need something? Who knew?

[@marktoby8113]

Great video. Shame that peope on the other video decided personal attacks were relevant, as you say, if you resort to them then youve already lost the argument. Fair play for giving an honest view on such a journey.

[@paulinchris]

I very much enjoyed the video Gary! I called into Exeter MOTO on 28th October, all the chargers Tesla & Gridserve were occupied with cars waiting. The problem is that the exit road from the parking area runs past the Gridserve chargers making access to the chargers very difficult, as no one will wait for you to manoeuvre into place. Once again very well done.

[@ModernHeroes]

I did notice that - seemed it was easier to get on the ones closest to the building which is the first time I've *ever* seen that!

[@MoosesValley]

17 quid a day is an amazing deal ! I just phoned Hertz Australia and the cheapest price I can hire a Polestar EV for here in Brisbane during the 6 weeks is $205.80 per day = 108.07 UK pounds - that's more than 5 times what you paid.

[@alanwakeman3741]

Great thanks for making this journey and demonstrating that long distance EV trips are viable. I've been on two long distance trips to Ireland in a Polestar and Kia e-Niro. No charging issues using ZapMap. I've raced a Tesla M3LR at Brands Hatch, with two of us sharing the car. We finished the day with loads of range left and I was fastest overall on the afternoon Paddock test against ALL other cars (ICE included). EV launch is incredible! The car didn't burst in to flames and nobody was electrocuted! So why does Lee, consistently obtain different results? Clearly he doesn't use the likes of ABRP, which would resolve most of his issues. If he can use Waze, why can't he use ABRP? Is the Porsche's satnav/charging planning that bad? Surely the latter would help if the Taycan has battery pre-conditioning. Lee does seem to portray a "traditional" mind set, charging when he thinks he needs to, not when software advises him to. Why is this? Letting an app take the strain seems so much easier to me, removing a great deal of anxiety. Lee's negative focus is really on charging infrastructure, which is valid. But his lack of using a planning app makes the situation far worse than it should be. He does acknowledge the performance of the Taycan, but is constantly comparing to his girlfriend's diesel golf. Not really a valid comparison. How about comparing to a similar performance ICE vehicle? Clearly Lee has been an Apple Mac expert in the past, hence his KZbin name. But he doesn't seem to be on top of technology now. Do his videos show some frustration with newer technology and wants to portray technology in a bad light? I'm guessing, but why does he try to find the worst possible positions to be in? Lee obviously loves his Porsches. he's owned many. Is he frustrated that the Taycan is very different to his past Boxers - noise, ease of refueling, the sensation of driving, ...? He must have noticed that the Taycan is VERY different to his Boxsters when he drove it? Doubtless sensational click bait attracts views. This has to be a major factor for Lee - views make money. I acknowledge that Lee does create some excellent, watchable videos from a visual and voice perspective. However I don't agree withmuch of the content. Moving on to Geoff Buys Cars. I should LOVE what he does as I also enjoy classic and low cost cars (I have several). But he leaps to extremely negative conclusions which are way off the mark. I have personal experience of one of his videos through my Motorsport links. His "Motorsport UK appeals to 8 year old girls with transgender person" (or something like that) was so incorrect that it was truly appalling. I posted the reality in comments, Geoff deleted the truth. All of this indicates that both Lee and Geoff create videos containing clickbait and misleading content. Sadly, many people believe the content, having views which are anti-change. I'm delighted that their misleading content is being highlighted as not being correct. Keep it up!

[@Sp_75-76]

‘Why does Lee keep getting different results’. Planning and Practice

[@rikm12]

I am jealous you got charge at Lands end... When I tried I sept 2022 (south coast 500) the charger reported not enough power at 2pm 😢., .... Luckily had 40% left and puttled off in mg 5 Agree with all your points well done and thanks for content... 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@ModernHeroes]

These ex-Ecotricity locations really are crap aren't they?

[@rikm12]

@@ModernHeroes ummm yep .. still big red button to reset was fun to release the charging plug .,,

[@TanksRock]

I used to own a Smart ForTwo as it was fantastic for the driving I did, town and city driving. Easy to park, economical and cheap....it was just useless for long journeys. So, the obvious solution was to hire a bigger car for the one long journey I make each year to Bovington tank museum. It makes perfect logical and financial sense to anyone with even half a brain to do that!!! So, you owning a Renault Zoe but hiring a Polestar specifically for this trip is completely logical and normal in my eyes

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Looking forward to seeing TIMES and COSTS...! Well done for doing this, fair play for standing up and doing it. Takes balls, that does. Or determination! And maybe a slice of insanity. Question... did you enjoy it?

[@ModernHeroes]

Not sure I’d rush to do it again 😅 even on a quieter day our motorway network is rather tedious.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

@@ModernHeroes For me, as a 'status update' on the state of the country, our version was more important to post than what we actually achieved, if that made sense. That trip really impacted me as to where we are honestly at. The country is broken, top to bottom.

[@glennet9613]

In Switzerland they are putting, usually four, chargers at stopping areas on the freeway every fifty kilometers or so, not only the ones with fuel but also those with just toilets. There are a couple in the car park in our village which are rarely used. All they need is power, no need for big underground tanks.

[@Cayres9]

Yeah they were a bit rude on the other channel , talking about your fashion style and calling you an Evangelist ? Ive told Lee and Geoff that i watch your videos regularly and your a cool guy , the Citroen Ami you have is the perfect EV for getting to work and back and proof EVs can be great

[@srtgrayfrance]

I agree that most people do not make such long journeys, so I trued something more realistic: Bristol to South West Wales (a trip my family makes every year for holidays). Using ABetterRoutePlanner I asked for a route using a 2019 Jag iPace, arriving with 80% charge. It estimated a 3 hour journey, 48 minutes of which were charging a few miles from my destination (a campsite with no overnight charging facilities). That simply isn‘t feasible: either my children are bored to death for nearly an hour waiting for the charge, or I have to drop them and my wife off to set up camp while I go back to finish the charging.

[@herrtomas6729]

Agree with much of what you say, however shared driving allows you to travel so much further in a day. Commercial drivers do this, and so do some (me) domestic drivers when holidaying. We share driving, and plough on 5/600 miles in a day - including much night driving when it's lighter traffic.

[@paulus1011]

You didn't do a far comparison, i.e., not in the school holiday . The weather was on your side, and you loved having a break when your car needed charging, not when you wanted a break. Enjoy your good times with fewer electric cars on the road because it's slowly going to be less enjoyable in the holiday periods and also with road tax coming back and electric costs going up!

[@ModernHeroes]

It doesn’t matter what I did, someone would find some reason it wasn’t exactly the same….

[@richardblayney5898]

That’s because macmuncher engineered it that way. He had no intention of doing it in a sensible way. He must’ve spent hours planning problems into his journey 🤦‍♂️

[@Sp_75-76]

Or you could say it is not a fair comparison because Lee and Geoff purposely chose one of, if not the busiest weekends of the year!

[@Sp_75-76]

@@richardblayney5898Yes, if he spent as much time planning to try and do it properly, who knows

[@richardblayney5898]

@@Sp_75-76 I think we all know…..

[@edenviews]

I've been to the north of Scotland from here on English border and did Bristol/Swindon/Gloucestershire round trips, plus North London/Swindon trips and have not got sore in my Zoe, so Ok for doing those journeys not very often. Charging has even improved in the Swindon area since this May, so there's hope for us all. The only "fail" at my first service in nearly 2 years, is a break in one of the tyres, so there you are.

[@SteveN-pw4dj]

I test drove a polestar yesterday and thought it was very nice to drive, not as nice as my E class merc... But i personally think it is OK to rent a car to prove a point.. As you say if you did regular long drives you would not buy a zoe or leaf.... I bought my meec estate as i do ling drives carrying things, but wouldn't really want to commute round town every day as it is a big car. And yes i have seen mac and geoffs videos, but did stumble accross your channel before theirs. And i agree the MacMaster manipulates situations to gain views, but i do still watch.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Interesting what you said about wanting to get out the Polestar. When I did the North to South Wales day in the Mercedes (400 miles in a day with the northward trip and run home), I walked in the house and genuinely said to the wife 'i could have a cup of tea and a pizza now and drive that car to scotland).

[@ModernHeroes]

I’d be the same in pretty much any car tbh, my A8 was seriously comfortable and I’d still feel the same after a few hours.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Guess everyone is different. by the way i like a good jumper. But buy a decent camera mount...!@@ModernHeroes

[@robinford4037]

Living near London, my home had a mk3 golf and a fiat punto as daily drivers, no cruise control in either. Going up to Newcastle for a wedding and staying 2 nights, I most definitely hired a bigger car (mondeo) for the journey. To arrive relaxed and refreshed for the weekend. As your man says " you drive for comfort ". Small car = big city Big car = between cities I have done a 12 hour journey ( france, with rest stops ) in a 2014 vw polo diesel, packed to the gills, with no problems. But modern vw polo's and golf's are Jack's of all trades.

[@kennyfordham6208]

(ominous music playing) Gravelly voice - "You either die, with an ICE car, or you live long enough to buy an EV."

[@chefscreations]

Trust me... Exeter will be hellish in the summer. It's hellish in the summer as it is, let alone having people having to stay there longer than they do already. And that says nothing about being in Cornwall proper. Good luck in the tourist season!

[@malcym3394]

Well done mate. Look, 7/8 years ago people were doing LeJog in Nissan Leafs without any significant issues. There's no question that today, range is better, the number and density of chargers is much better, and charging speeds are incomparable to those days. Look also at Andrew Till, driving to Italy and back several times - again with no issues. You showed that there really is no problem driving an EV anywhere nowadays.

[@vincentwright7276]

Good content, I think that the only difference between your journey and that of the Macmaster was their planning to do the trip during the half term holiday when there would have been much more traffic on the roads, but otherwise qujte a good comparison.

[@Sp_75-76]

And Lee was out to show how bad EV's are!

[@jabezhane]

But again a lot of people only make long journeys (which is the point) in holiday time. Try this again 7 days into the August holiday...

[@davidrooney6173]

Good video, ignore the detractors. No difference in having a rented vs an owned polestar-2 forthis test. In fact you were at a slight disadvantage in not knowing the car as well as you would if you owned it for a while.

[@Coins2Collect]

Good for you 👍🏻 I have a LEAF and would rent a bigger range car if I had to get from Essex to Scotland to visit friends, totally valid 😊

[@Jock55]

Thanks for a great pair of videos. Your thoughts and experience mirror my own. I live in the remote Scottish Highlands and have been driving electric cars since 2018. I have never even come close to scaring myself due to range anxiety, although this is only due to the fact that I am able to charge from home, it may be a slightly different story if that were not the case. I thought as we moved forward in time that folk were having a more open mind, but it appears not to be the case. Keep fighting the dogma. 👍👌😁

[@grahamjohnson4702]

I think you need to go and sit at a motorway services fuel station and count how many cars stop for fuel in one hour then you will know how many chargers they will need as the amount required will be many more in the next 5 years and until they knock down the pumps will there be enough room. Lots of people still use motorway services to fuel up despite the higher cost. Myself I use google maps to find petrol stations within 1 mile of a junction and pull off to fill up, easy like your planning app.

[@IanMcc1000]

I can't see what the difference is if a Polestar owner had done the same trip, the result would have been pretty much the same. Same with EV6, Ionic 5, MG4 and so on. There are cars suited to the job and ones that aren't. I can't wait for some masochist to do this in a Honda E!! I think this originally came about because of a suspicion that MacMaster seems make things unnecessarily difficult for himself a lot of the time. The one thing that everyone can agree on is that there needs to be more chargers and that rapid pricing is currently taking the p*ss. Personally I think you did a great job in showing it's not all doom and gloom. It's videos like MacMasters that contribute to EV fud, so he has himself to blame for some of his cars loss in value. Not all cars are shit like his Taycan fortunately.

[@deansh8506]

Fair play for you taking up the challange that was set. Let's be honest if you done it in a Tesla they would have moaned about that too, as it would have been even easier again with more charging options. So, I'm glad you took the polestar option just to show how it's possible to do in an EV other than a Tesla. For me personally I bought an EV 10 years ago as a 2nd car run around, to do my daily work commute etc. It turns out that the 2nd car EV does 16.000 miles a year and the other diesel SUV only 3,000 a year now. EV's aren't for everyone and if I'm honest I would never recommend an EV if you haven't got off-road parking to charge it from home. But give it another 5-10 years when EV range will be approaching the 500 mile mark and recharge time in 10-15 mins. You can then seriously make a case for an EV.

[@djtaylorutube]

I keep responding to people saying that we use our EV for long trips, our ICE cars only locally, when they get used. Certainly not a preference to use our diesel for a long trip. Can't even remember the last long trip I did in it, over a year ago.

[@VintageMopeds]

I regularly drive up and down the country for this I use a Volvo V50 diesel towing a motorcycle trailer, around town and when not towing I use a Chevrolet volt and a kangoo ze both great vehicles as a driver with over 35yrs experience with all types of vehicles the main advantage of EVs is the huge savings in fuel costs never mind the savings in servicing I'm looking for suitable EV for towing great video 👍

[@craighuddy5351]

Great videos. YT recommended Geoff and Mcmasters videos which after watching them it was so obvious it was a hatchet job I don’t even own an EV and the mistakes and hard work mcmaster made of the whole trip was just laughable. Enjoyed your no nonsense video so subscribed on YT and Twitter 👍

[@Lewis_Standing]

They are definitely just clickbait, the lack of insight from their fans is startling.

[@djtaylorutube]

Well look at the latest. Leeds to Covent Garden. That would be either a no stop or a 5 mins stop in my car. Lee doesn't charge the night before at his girlfriend's because she has no level 2 but he doesn't use the granny charger. Starts with 92 miles range and goes straight to the Leeds Porsche depot and charges for 45 minutes! Then just about 30 miles North of Milton Keynes stops for the loo, then goes to MK to charge for 31 minutes. Better would have been an overnight charge and a very short stop or just head off with 92 miles range and do one or two quicker charges en route, one where he went to the loo. Each to their own. Just see it as entertainment. As to costs, well drive an inefficient car with poor range and use high priced chargers and there can only be one result.

[@gavinderbyshire5535]

Outstanding effort, it's not really an issue for an EV to do that journey and yo have proved beyond doubt. Imagine being the numpty with a £120k Porsche not able to do the same journey.

[@davidhumphreys9938]

Well done, enjoyed your videos, your openness and honesty about your trip.

[@thevideoark]

Thanks for your video. It was very honest interesting and informative. I’ve stumbled across McMarster videos some time back and saw one where he was slagging off his EV and the charging system and he’s still doing it… If it was that bad I would have switched back to a Petrol/Diesel, unless they are tied to using the EV.

[@EVoLutionAutoDrivingSchool]

He won’t do that. He’s earning £££ from those afraid of change as it gives them the confirmation bias they seek.

[@wickesman]

Great content thank you. What was the name of the app you used please. My Kona is great but its route planner isn't the best.

[@ModernHeroes]

A Better Routeplanner - ABRP 👍🏻

[@henryhill6705]

How long did you spend charging? How much time did you lose charging?

[@ElectricMikeEV]

Great videos mate. I'm gonna do the same journey in the spring in my Tesla.... Why.... Why not!

[@marvinsamuels1237]

Haters gonna hate. Their lives are so devoid of joy they can't help try to bring anyone down with a different opinion to theirs. Keep sharing your open, honest experiences, there some of out here with common sense and an who are willing to listen. Keep up the great work 👍🏾

[@Sp_75-76]

Brilliant, I cant wait for the replies from you know who, Lee has already mentioned that you shot your argument in the foot by having to hire a car just for the journey. Well done, results were exactly as most people expected.

[@ModernHeroes]

Oh I know he has said that because his subscribers have repeated it verbatim in my comments about a thousand times 😂