Ford Ranger Raptor Snow Test Doesn't Go as Planned

[@flintdxb7514]

The drone is the real performer in that weather 👍🏻

[@craiglamb9029]

Im an instrumetation tech and prototype vehicle mechanic for Roush/Ford. I own a 2007 Explorer v8 lifted on 33's, and highly modified 500awhp taurus 2010 SHO and a 2023 Bronco Sasquatch. Most Ford vehicles will only allow full advancetrac OFF below 25mph. It will not be full off at speeds above 25mph. So if the vehicles front wheels start to slide laterally over 25mph (its very sensitive to the front wheels sliding laterally), it will cut power. The steering wheel angle, throttle position and vehicle yaw (lateral acceleration) are constantly being compared to determine if the vehicle is sliding or if its tracking the drivers intended path. The vehicle will also cut power to save drive train components such as during a gear shift to reduce slippage of the clutch plates in the transmission during a shift. Especially with the 10speeds. If there is too much slippage in the transfercase clutches for too long, it will flully lock them, or cut power if the excess clutch slip continues. I experienced this in my explorer at the sand dunes. Clutches in my tcase were worn out. Sand and mud/ruts modes are more lenient in these type deep conditions and those modes hold gears longer to allow more wheel speed, engine rpm and are less apt to upshift to prevent forward moment loss during the shift. This strategy is also easier on the engine and transmission in these deep situations. 4low offers similar benefits as far as maintaining wheelspeed/wheel tq and reducing stress on the engine/trans. Also, the ranger is light in the rear. This will place a higher demand on traction of the front wheels making front wheel slippage and sliding more likely. 13-16psi is the sweet spot for me in my bronco on 35's and explorer on 33's at the sand dunes and in deep snow. Ford also could end up revising the traction programming in the future. Great videos and i love the snow tests!

[@cbruno12180]

Well said I also think the bfs k3 are a horrible snow tire if he slapped on a set of blizzaks it would be a diff story

[@jpl7909]

It really sucks to know that even trucks are being built so that there is no optional mode where it just does what you ask it to do. Throttle should mean throttle, not throttle by software committee. It's also bullshit that you won't show crucial status items in the UI, like detection of slip overriding driver input, or transmission status overriding driver input. Its like the lawyers said "drivers can't complain about what they don't know, make sure the system doesn't tell them too much".

[@congerthomas1812]

I'll just keep my DANA'S

[@SaxonTerror]

🙄🥴​@@congerthomas1812

[@dand2334]

I’m really surprised that Ford and GM have not reverse engineered Toyota’s ATRAC and Crawl Control off road traction control software programs.

[@GriffinConway]

When you reset to Baja mode, it resets your traction control, so you need to manually go in and turn it off again, and then also turn off advancetrac. Otherwise it will cut power like you are experiencing. Happened to me in my Bronco on a sandy hill climb in front of a bunch of friends and it was pretty embarrassing lol 😂 edit: this is the exact issue you are having at 30:50

[@stevehintzel4464]

Agreed, every time you change modes/selections, the truck resets. You would need to do the long hold to disable the babysitters anytime you change options.

[@Megadeath39]

1 short press for traction control. And the 10 second hold for advacetrac there after

[@mond000]

Why use "modes" like that anyway? Just put it in 4 low with traction control fully off, air the tires down and use the lockers as intended. This guy doesn't know much about off-roading, and I think this highly capable vehicle would have fared better with a more experienced driver.

[@delweine]

​@mond000 You're being very nice to this putz, ahh.. I mean, "person."

[@jstratton]

This is a total amateur at driving in these conditions who doesn’t understand how this truck works.

[@reverett0508]

The fix is obvious.......the Raptor needs more buttons to push on the inside and more badges on the outside. Perhaps a 10 foot Raptor flag would help also.

[@everdarkness]

Buttons? Whaa? This is not the eighteenth century anymore grandpa! It needs just one big screen for a entire panel, with a digital steering wheel also, so you can drive with your fingers like in a mobile games!

[@blakemarchand6650]

@@everdarknesswhat would really help it out is if it has a separate touch screen just to turn on the head lights

[@Brian-xi3kz]

@@everdarknessyup 1 big screen i can fumble through to find what i need while driving

[@kevin-gs7jn]

Good one😂😂😂, Keep it simple, and just make a reliable vehicle.

[@mabelpup8502]

Weight in the back would be the fix

[@adamtacheira5323]

Who else was yelling, “put it in 4LO”. No intervention from the Nannie’s and better control. I use 4LO in the snow often. Especially for going down steep mountain roads. That way I’m not touching the brakes. Sorry, nothing wrong with the truck, it was driver error. We can tell you come from Subaru land. Use that 4LO gearing anytime you’re climbing anything.

[@pl5861]

The more I watch this guy the more I think he doesnt have a clue how to off-road.

[@eliseovenegaspatino4858]

@@pl5861he is not good

[@DandoBorusu]

@@pl5861 right, he's a great guy we love him.. but dude could use some wheelin lessons

[@KevinBrown-r7d]

4 LO and both lockers, or your not really trying.

[@mcs5271]

Completely agree, he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He’s talking like he knows what he’s doing, but just someone that has watched 4 wheelin’ rather than practical experience with real trucks. Lock all front and back, 4Lo for any climbing. 4Lo is literally for this scenario,.

[@bogdandanailescu]

Just came from a trip to a mountain pass yesterday, in similar conditions. I have the previous Ranger Raptor (2019) 2.0 bi-turbo diesel. And as fun as Baja mode is, it doesn't help you in the snow at all. I managed to get to the top of the pass using 4L in 1st gear, slow and steady, hardcore ready :) that is my motto. I was running 2 years old BFGoodrich KO2s deflated to 1.5 bar. The Raptor is an awesome machine I love it! Drive safe everyone!

[@craigbentley1326]

In the midwest we put weight in our truck beds to improve traction in the winter.

[@billseiler4952]

Girlfriend or wives?

[@TheMessersmiths]

I know right??? duh

[@mammutsm]

dont need it here just the right drive mode

[@JCintheBCC]

@@TheMessersmiths The problem with doing that here is that's not testing the vehicle. We all know that throwing sandbags in the bed by the arches helps traction in any pickup. But then the video becomes examples of "how to improve traction in a pickup" and not a test of the Ranger Raptor.

[@sicilianr1]

You’re still doing that? 🤣😂. Buy some snow tires kiddo, whatever you drive is unstoppable in the snow then. My suburban has them, my F250 and the wife’s Fpace. Floor it and go.

[@6point1hemi]

This is what happens when you have a computer managing everything.

[@billb3565]

totally agree i just want a truck not something that the computer controls. don't they trust are judgement.

[@JohnConnor636]

​@@billb3565I know! He needs to put some throttle into it and stop using the computer.

[@treydrier3169]

Or a driver who doesn't understand what 4lo is. smh

[@ilfcaph2870]

@@billb3565my f150 was the same way. if you unplug the ABS brake motor fuse fuse it will turn ALL nannies

[@tar6805]

Twin turbo V6 smartphone.

[@normanmortensen2591]

As a Scandinavian used to driving in winter conditions, watching this clip with a driver who obviously have no experience in driving in winter conditions and the automatic modes in this vehicle not aiding at all! An Audi quattro with a manual gearbox and no auto modes, equipped with nordic winter tires would drive circles around this tested vehicle!

[@JimHusband-n5b]

Agree completely. Canadian winter driving 101 - Don’t spin your tyres. The grooves in tyres are design to imprint the snow and grab what it can to ensure traction. When you spin your tires, you don’t give sipes or grooves and tires to form to the surface to aid in traction. One of the first things learned in winter driving school up here in Canada eh! Gain momentum and avoid spin. Keep your RpM needle from blasting off. 4 low would limit slip for sure 👍

[@treydrier3169]

As a Scandinavian you would also know to put it in 4lo and equip it with tires designed for extreme conditions. Its not the truck. Its the driver.

[@benmorris7276]

A Subaru with good winter tires would also drive circles around this truck. I'm Canadian and we get some pretty crazy winters and winter storms. I've driven my Impreza with Michelin (X-ice snow winter tires) in a foot or so of snow and in snow storms it literally just plowed through it never lost grip never spun out or got stuck , just blasted through the snow like it didn't exist. These modes companies add don't really help much from what I can tell and the only thing that actually works is a simple well designed full time AWD system like Subarus symmetrical AWD and Audi's quattro system especially the older quattro AWD , add good winter tires and they're basically mountain goats grip for days and zero issues. I've seen so many cars with reactive AWD systems spin out and get stuck in heavy snow I've also seen many trucks get stuck in the snow as well , hell I've even seen jeeps get stuck in a winter storm. The issue in my opinion is partially the drive and partially poorly designed cars and shitty driving modes that clearly do not help at all, and fake AWD

[@thinde88]

It’s good to know Scandinavia also has dumb asses.

[@benven2161]

@@benmorris7276the Subaru performs badly against the Bronco Sport so imagine against the Raptor! kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2XFoJaLfZqoq7ssi=K1QgaKISi9YmK1xl

[@Yul-Uhlu]

OMG! I think we have found TFL Roman's Doppelganger. His skill set is in line with Romans'.

[@DLJaspah]

If you're getting traction control warnings, you didn't turn off traction control. You need to press AND hold it to fully turn it off. Just pressing the button does not fully disengage the system. Or you know, put it in 4LO like it probably should have been and traction control is totally off by default.

[@TRMN8R03]

You didn't watch did you?

[@Beachesbulldog]

@@TRMN8R03I watched. Dude ripping 4hi 😂

[@uncalm]

Love the snow content. Keep it coming!

[@OM61777]

4 low and everything locked is the only way to go. Also, I don't understand why baja mode would even be an option in this situation.

[@4x4OffRoadChannel]

We had issues on slippery hills where we were spinning the tires and the vehicles upshifted causing a loss of power and causing the traction control to get more aggressive. Now we hold the vehicle in either 2nd or 3rd depending on how much momentum and wheel spin we need to get up the hill.

[@stevenpeterson7234]

Thats why the Nissan Titan Pro-4x is the best truck for snow wheeling. You can actually lock it into a gear and it actually holds

[@Beachesbulldog]

@@stevenpeterson7234you mean like M mode?

[@stevenpeterson7234]

@@Beachesbulldog Yes manual mode lol. It doesn't shift or anything just stays in the gear until you press the shift button

[@Beachesbulldog]

@@stevenpeterson7234 the raptor can operate in manual mode

[@craigcarrier4508]

While in the dunes, my Ranger Raptor lost power several times. I noticed that when I got a lot of wheel spin the transmission would shift to 7th or 8th gear. I switched to the paddles and never had that problem again.

[@x_Heffe_X]

Seems like you’re turning off traction control but then hitting a different drive mode and it likely turns traction control back on. Try putting it in whatever more you want and then turn off traction control last. See if that makes a difference. The other thing I’d say is to put it in manual mode and keep it in 1 gear vs letting it change gears and lose power.

[@eunhyuekpark6159]

Would like to see what Ford says about the power cut. As a person who drives a lot in the snow during the winter I too am a fan of using power vs braking in a slide situation. If that power isn't there or unpredictable things can go bad fast.

[@Jay-me7gw]

My 2014 F150 Ecoboost was insane with the traction control, especially in 4Auto. I live in a neighborhood that sits on a state route and so I have to pull out into traffic sometimes. There was a few times where the TC kicked in pulling out in the snow and just shuts the truck down in the middle on the road. It was so bad that I actually went into the tuning with HPTuners and reduced the amount of power that it would cut when the TC activated. Instead of cutting 75% power or whatever it did stock, it would only cut 25%, but would still be trying to use the brakes to control wheel spin. This let me power through those situations while the brakes still tried to keep spin down and let me get up to speed. That said, it wasnt just cutting power like this was, but I also didnt drive it in the snow like a savage like this.

[@bradleychilders2135]

I’m going to use this video to teach my son on all the things not to do!

[@itsme-vw5yo]

Please dónt. Everything is wrong first u dont use baja mode mod a snow and second dont use 4h instead use 4low

[@benven2161]

I’m not sure if he really knows how to manage the Raptor!

[@k_plax]

18:37 you say “and the truck starts rolling back… with my foot on the throttle”. If you zoom in and watch the brake lights, they come on BEFORE you start rolling back. Its almost like you were accelerating and moving forwards then you intentionally hit the brake pedal THEN it rolled back.

[@NeoDanielRababalela]

Basically in the whole video he tried to make the raptor look like it performs very bad in snow

[@KeithSchwerin]

Really it shouldn't have rolled in either case. On brake or throttle the wheels shouldn't go backwards.

[@k_plax]

@ thats true assuming brake is pressed hard enough.

[@richardj9044]

No, the truck rolled back before he applied the brake, should say his reaction is pretty fast.

[@HiddenOne22]

@NeoDanielRababalelait’s his own truck, he definitely is not intentionally making it look bad lmao

[@dougpendleton1266]

This is exactly why I have kept my 2004 Rubicon that I bought new over 20 years ago. I hate computer control, just give me the lockers and manual throttle and I will take it from there... Happy new year!!

[@wes3527]

Yeah I have zero issues in my 2020 Gladiator Rubicon in 4 hi or low with traction control off in the snow. I pulled a new Tacoma Trd Pro all over a local off road trail last year because the electrical nannies kept him from getting off of the trail and he wouldn't listen too me about how to drive or what settings to use.I have zero drive modes other than off road + and have yet to even look up whats it for because I wheel like I am in an old vehicle

[@K5757-d9q]

Can’t you turn the computer systems off in this though? I think this truck just sucks tbh

[@Zanderthelab]

⁠@@wes3527supposedly off road+ turns off traction control in 4hi. I’m pretty sure it allows you to lock the rear diff in 4hi too.

[@treydrier3169]

Dude! He could have simply put it in 4lo, which turns off all computer assistance, and used the locker but he decided to put it in Baja mode designed for sand and gun it up a fairly steep incline in 2 feet of snow. I mean why did he not use 4lo??? That's what you would have done in those conditions.

[@Zanderthelab]

@ I never really thought he knew much about off roading. He talks the talk, but the doesn’t walk the walk.

[@BlueSTI]

Imagine if Toyota gave this motor an option in the tacomas. Would of been awesome. Your truck is awesome

[@Cypress1983]

As a self-proclaimed snow wheeler in central Oregon, I was cringing the whole time I saw 4hi and a foot to the floor. I get that you were trying to cause the failure again, but the only reason you seemed to be getting anywhere is because the tires were digging down to the dirt. *Hypothetically* if you’d have been in deep snow, you’d get beached on the frame/diff/plates immediately and it’d be chore do get unstuck by yourself (ask me how I know 😂). Additionally, most 4lo systems disable powercut and/or brake traction aids, so it may be worth trying that out on the next go around.

[@Jay-me7gw]

Agree'd. Air way the hell down and just let the tires pull through. Spinning like this never got me anywhere when I was snow-wheeling.

[@jerpud]

"Self proclaimed snow wheeler" I doubt it!

[@Cypress1983]

@ what a strange thing to say. I can self-proclaim anything, as it’s only open to my interpretation, not yours…that’s why I said it. Unless you know who I am or go on runs with us at

[@HiddenOne22]

@@Cypress1983that person is just a self proclaimed tough guy, hiding behind his screen

[@agerard5703]

My items learned from low traction 4 wheel drive situations: -Traction control/ drive modes always seem to kill momentum and get you stuck. Disable everything you can. Only a mode with diff lock can help here. -No perceived traction difference airing down to 18 psi, tire is still rigid. Look for your sidewall to start collapsing, depending on tire this happens at ~ 12 psi. Make sure your tire design has enough sidewall tread to air down and not tear into the thinner sidewall. Also watch that you don’t blow the tire off the bead with too low of pressure. - The tires on this raptor aren’t the best winter tire, more of a compromise between mud and snow. There is not enough siping on the tread for snow. Tires make much more difference in snow than 4 wheel drive can ever compensate for. A front wheel drive with good winter tires can easily outperform a 4 wheel with all season tires.

[@TheJrrk]

I'm canadian. We get alot of snow. When you go up hill in alot of snow. You don't use baja mode.... you put it in 4lo, lock the diffs. You don't leave it in sand mode and tear the hill apart.

[@scottsorensen8490]

I can’t understand why you’re in baja mode and trying to navigate steep snowy hills???

[@GeezCte]

I came to the comments just for this. Why wouldn’t he put it in slippery, no locks. Doing what he feels is right instead of what needs to be right

[@UncleFjester]

he is an idiot

[@2wheelfish]

Love your tenacity to really test the truck and dive into issues. Awesome work there.

[@bogdandanailescu]

Really? It was the worst test he did IMHO, using 4H and Baja mode in the snow 😅 ... "3 easy steps to bog your truck in the snow" that should've been the title.

[@waylinvanhalen]

Gaybert to gaybert

[@matthewgaines10]

It isn’t a vehicle issue. It’s a driver problem and likely a tire problem. Bad choices in mode use and the tire limitations. Fundamentals like 4 Lo to reduce wheel slip were ignored. Modes are great but physics hasn’t changed.

[@sicilianr1]

Yep, people got no clue how much snow tires help. Floor it and go with snow tires on.

[@jacob-kf2gf]

Ko3s are usually good off road snow tires.

[@sicilianr1]

@ nothing about them is equivalent to a true snow tire.

[@sicilianr1]

@ my 3500 came with them from the factory and I took them off after first snowfall seeing how terrible they are in the snow. If you’ve never experienced snow tires you don’t know what you’re missing out on. I put them on all our vehicles now and would never drive in the snow without them just because it makes snow driving so much more enjoyable. You’ll never get stuck again.

[@jaredlinkhart6528]

I think you should have tried low range. In my 2015 Tundra I get more throttle freedom and the hills are steep enough on your test course it would have taken some stress off of your transmission.

[@-zerocool-]

100%

[@linuxfiend]

That much snow definitely calls for low range. This is exactly where you should use low range.

[@craigh9112]

Yes and why did he never lock the centre diff too ?

[@trailrunnah8886]

​@@craigh9112there is no center diff in that vehicle, it's not full-time 4wd.

[@trailrunnah8886]

​@@linuxfiendEven if it was completely dry, that course is steep enough that he should immediately shift into four low in any vehicle.

[@richrigney4610]

When it comes to snow it's Always about the tires... ALWAYS about the tires! Wrong tires and doesn't matter if you have RWD, FWD, AWD or 4WD.

[@TnTTyler]

The problem is not using low range......if you are bogging you need low range

[@mikebromelow8514]

I'm only 5 minutes in and I'm already screaming "Put it in 4 LOW and air down your tires dummy!!!" Good Lord, he's hard to watch sometimes...🙄

[@pubfixture]

canadian pipeliner here. air up and 4 high. in snow with gravel underneath, taller skinnier tires will dig better down to grip because more contact patch pressure. air down is for sand float, or rock grip. on snow you end up just making less psi onto the slipping surface spinning creates. think, crazy carpet. lest contact patch with same weight = more psi on the ground = more dig & bite. 4 low is torquier and will break grip easier. 4 high is better because you want to ride the line of available friction without going over and breaking loose. so you just manage the throttle more delicately to keep wheel speed down and not slipping in the dubious sections (you want to essentially bog down) and jam on her to dig for dirt (ecc off) where you have room and a clean exit. airing down can get you a bit of terrain-hugging and there's a fine-line benefit to be had but depends what's under the snow.

[@mikebromelow8514]

@pubfixture I definitely agree with you on having taller skinny tires. 12.5" wide tires are horrible in certain situations as the video shows. The reason why I think he needed to air down is that he's on uneven terrain with a tendency to dig himself divots. Having the tires able to mold around those should help in this specific situation. I disagree with you on the use of 4 high vs 4 low. He kept using waaaay too much wheel speed while not moving forward which is going to strain the transmission needlessly. I drive my Bronco up crazy steep snowy hills in 4 low and don't spin my tires excessively. You have better control over wheel speed in 4 low. Smooth and steady throttle input combined with momentum and you have a winning combination. The truck has limitations due to the light rear end so it's never going to excel on Hills like he's trying to get up.

[@pubfixture]

@@mikebromelow8514 tru. Its always "to the conditions"

[@TL-pb6sz]

@@pubfixture Exactly, it's why skinny 'pizza cutter' tires are much better in snow, you want to sink down. Air down for the beach.

[@genezehring6057]

Sometimes???????

[@jasonsong86]

The other thing is when the wheels are spinning and the transmission upshifts, the wheels basically stop and losing all momentum. Manual shifting might be a good idea in this case keeping the gears locked in.

[@87gunsnroses]

Low range and lockers. Forget the ridiculous drive modes. 4 auto, for me, is only used on snow covered pavement. Offroad with snow is always 4 high or 4 low.

[@denisleblanc4506]

I know snow traction can vary wildly depending on conditions and that's why I'm not a fan of high speed spinning of wheels. I always try to not spin at all. For this reason I always lock diffs. I don't like spinning because it warms up the tires that melts the snow and forms ice on the ground. I like to use 4 Low and just keep bumping in the snow sometimes just using momentum (no power) and let it stop when it wants. If you lay down good track of packed snow you'll be surprised what it will do when it doesn't have to cut the tracks. Once your tires are smoking you're done. You won't have any traction because there will be water between the tire and the snow. I don't care too much for the snow peak rating. They are NOT substitutes for a winter tire. They are only marginally better than an ordinary AT tire. Remember the steam rising from your tires (and probably brakes). The rubber rating is not a factor when they are that warm. I'm not saying you would have made it up those hills, but you might have made it a little further. Always lock everything you can. Sometimes you need 4 tires pulling to move, If you're not fully locked, the minute one tire looses traction then the other side starts spinning and you will stop forward motion. That's the problem with traction controls. If you brake one spinning tire, the corresponding tire will spin up twice as fast when it looses traction. Keep everything locked in deep stuff. You're in 4 Low so falling off the road is not as much of a concern since you going a lot slower.

[@mikebromelow8514]

I would suggest using lockers ONLY when needed on Hills because often times, your vehicle will crab walk or move to one side unexpectedly in slippery conditions. Especially on an off camber hill climb. I drive a 2 door Bronco with the Sasquatch package and I off road in snow quite a bit.

[@andrewsnow7386]

I'm going to guess (obviously I could be wrong) that you live in a colder, flatter location. I agree spinning can often make the surface more slippery, but here in Washington State the temperature of the snow is often right at freezing -- the snow is already wet, no spinning required. For example, I went driving up into the mountains yesterday. When I drove back out, the ruts I made in the snow when driving in had water flowing down them like ditches. Second, we have twisty roads. If you are 4-locked, then in every turn you are forcing the tires to slip. Also, side-slops are very common on our mountain roads. Being 4-locked makes it more likely that you will slide sideways -- possibly over the edge -- if you do break traction. A curve with a side-slope (a banked corner -- something that is common on our dirt roads) can be harder to navigate if you are 4-locked -- the turn forces the tires to slip, and the side slope then causes the vehicle to slide sideways. Even if the twists and turns can be negotiated with the differentials locked, having the front locked increases the steering effort so much that it feels like I'm punishing my rig for no reason. For these reasons, I only lock my front locker when I really need it. Finally, if the weight is evenly distributed left-to-right on your tires (that is if the surface you are driving on doesn't have big holes, bumps, etc), then locking the differentials usually only makes a small improvement in traction. I would estimate that locking my front differential usually increases my tractive force less than 10% (on even surfaces). I agree with Ryan, sometimes the risk of sliding sideways can outweigh the benefit of the increased traction.

[@torbinnorsky4777]

Way too much throttle. Put it in manual shift mode, 4 low, both lockers locked. Snow traction requires snow on snow contact. That means your treads need to have snow compacted into them so that you get the snow on snow contact. Spinning the wheels throws the snow out of the tire treads. Love most of your videos but you need to rethink your snow driving technique.

[@mikebromelow8514]

@torbinnorsky4777 He's brutal to watch because he literally does the opposite of what you should! LoL

[@andrewsnow7386]

@@torbinnorsky4777 Snow comes in a huge variety of conditions. Having helped recover hundreds of vehicles over the years, I agree that too much throttle and spinning is often what gets people stuck. However, there are occasions where a lot of spinning is helpful -- for example in not-too-deep snow where the tires can dig to the ground underneath. He MIGHT have had conditions where spinning was the best approach. Notice there is a lot of dirt showing in his tracks. At 13:12 you can even see some dirt as well as snow being thrown by the tires. The tires are, at times, cutting through the snow. Under these conditions, spinning to reach the dirt might be the best answer. Without being there, it's impossible to know. Maybe 5 years ago met Ryan in person when I was snow-wheeling. He is a well above average driver in the snow. Without being there in person, I wouldn't second-guess his approach.

[@Eggtartdad]

4:36 that drone shot is next level

[@59marck]

There is quite a few comments here from presumably experienced 4 wheelers that are questionning why you are not using 4 lows. Is there a reluctance to it M. Ryan? I don't profess to know anything about 4 wheeling if anything at all. On the other hand I spent 13 years of my life working in reforestation on the Coastal regions of Brithish Columbia. I have been on all types of logging roads in my days. Some deactivetad, over grown etc. Back in 1995 there was a guy driving a full size 2 wheel drive chevy crewcab. He got it stuck all the way down to the rear axel in soft, wet sand on a bit of a slope near a swamp in the Queen Charlottes Islands. (Now known as Haida Gwaii) I was driving a 4runner. I hooked the back of his truck to the front of mine with a rope. I put it in 4 lows, let the clutch go and much to my surprise it pulled that chevy out off there with out me ever touching the throttle...

[@StrikeTheRoot]

all the tech in the world just makes people feel good. give me a 1980 Toyota 4x4 with manual lockers and 4 cyl engine and I'll go places where this fancy truck with all of its technology wouldn't dare.

[@Stoic-of-Rome]

If only Ford had thought of a 'slippery mode'

[@TheJines123]

I just took my AEV Canyon through some really deep stuff and it didnt even care. Did amazing. Im loving the snow tests

[@fastmover0]

Can you show how far a Subaru Outback Wildnerness can go up the same trails with snow?

[@fastmover0]

With KO3's.

[@thelawrence71]

Subaru Outback would have made this child’s toy look even worse. Solution, don’t use a child’s toy for a man’s adventure.

[@darin5794]

Audi Quatro!

[@jarfrobinksss]

@@thelawrence71 Fiat 500 FWD would've crushed the subaru

[@jacquesbourne9203]

No, he cannot do that. The video would be too short.

[@Zimm.G]

I have an F150 Tremor with 3.5 Ecoboost and had the same throttle cut issue climbing a snow hill. After 2 mins of 4-5k rpms, the engine shut off and the transmission shifted itself to park and I slid out of control all the way down the hill. Very disappointed.

[@JustSomeGuyAroundTown]

You being to afraid to put the lockers on and 4 low is really lame. I’ve lived in snow my whole life. You’re over thinking it.

[@prattmandu]

😂 **puts truck in mode meant for 45+mph speeds in the desert** **proceeds to drive truck in the snow, at slow speeds** “Ah come on! Why ya boggin there!?” SMH 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@bogdandanailescu]

Exactly, it's all for "show", only it's a bad show 😢 this guy used to deliver better content...

[@mikebromelow8514]

FYI, you are supposed to hold down the traction control button for a few moments and your dash will show advancetrac off or disabled. Just pushing the button only reduces the amount of traction control. You need to hold down the button to completely disable it. Putting the truck into 4 low should that for you automatically if it's the same as the Bronco which I have.

[@richardcomerford1828]

The problem, if there was one, wasn’t in front of the steering wheel; the problem was what was behind the steering wheel.

[@0HOON0]

The 10R60 is known for weird behavior, but free-wheeling backwards down a hill takes the cake. 😂 It's almost like the torque converter unlocked when the T/C neutered your throttle. Glad your wallet survived this little quirk unscathed. Great stuff though. Thanks for sending it!

[@paulwatson4189]

You have to hold the traction control button to cut it off completely.. The truck wasn't the problem and thats why it has 4 low. You held it down like you were in a water pit at the drag strip. How much traction did you think you would get doing that. That doesn't work in snow. Sand and rock yes sometimes but still not wide open. The truck was protecting itself from you. The last hill you attempted if you had locked both diffs and completely disabled the t.c it would have climbed it easily. Way more truck than driver this time but that's how you learn. Next time you will be better prepared and air down the dang tire's in snow.

[@prosunsport1]

Electronics are helpful some times off road but can be to complex and get confused, but simple diff locks and low range like a G400 is the best option.

[@fredsharron2932]

Been interested in seeing 4low with lockers actuated instead of repeating 4 high nogo's.

[@KrazyWorldWars]

"when it gets sketchy, we'll call it quits" 😂😂😂😅😅😅

[@KevinBrown-r7d]

If you don't try LO with both lockers, then you are not really trying. LO usually has a little extra traction. I guess you just wanted the extra Baha mode sound. All of the Electronic Nannies are ridiculous, especially if you can't turn them completely OFF. The 4A clutch in the transfer case is for soccer moms/grandmothers.

[@bikleBen]

That drone work in the first few minutes is glorious

[@tommyd1963ify]

I was dealing with similar issues with my Power wagon. Pull the ABS pump fuse. This eliminates traction control completely. Pushing the button alone doesn't completely shut it off. It will be full on Dukes of Hazzard mode after that! I eventually put it on a switch so I could shut it off at will.

[@snn517]

lmao

[@2151abell]

Your work is appreciated by this viewer......and has been ! Thank you for providing all of us with entertainment that we can enjoy without cost no less... Happy New Years Ryan...

[@tedantares2751]

It would be nice to see how Chevy Colorado ZR2 would do in these conditions

[@HiddenOne22]

I’ve driven in similar conditions in my ‘24 zr2 a few weeks ago. I had zero issues and it didn’t throw a fit like this raptor is😂

[@shazmodeus2795]

it would perform the same if this guy is driving it, everything in this video is driver error, not vehicle error.

[@itsme-vw5yo]

​@@HiddenOne22 well the same will happen to your car if he is the one driving, i feel like the raptor is suffering from a vad driver

[@auburntiger92]

Need to engage the new Driver MOD.

[@JT4BRE]

What happened was the driver 😂😂😂

[@mikebromelow8514]

@@JT4BRE 100%

[@Jay-me7gw]

There was a lot of throttle being used. I found almost no situations when snow wheeling where wheel spin was beneficial. Or if it was, just barely a little spin.

[@mikebromelow8514]

@Jay-me7gw He's got no idea what he's doing is the problem.

[@JustSomeGuyAroundTown]

He drives like someone who’s never seen snow before.

[@stefandorobantu7751]

Yes, that truck would fight the snow so easy , but the piece behind the stering wheel don t know how to drive 😂

[@Owens_Racing]

Ford and their Nannie’s are part of why I’m looking at other brands. I want control of my truck. /end

[@drivingsports]

Best bet is Gladiator or Ineos Quartermaster if you want minimal intervention.

[@USAFreedom4Ever]

Just curious, what vehicle that you have tested did the bus going up the snowy Hill?

[@HR-tl5mq]

So keep my GX460.. got it 😁😅

[@xilios_diaolos1351]

Very nice video and very nice demonstration.

[@ayig4764]

Would be nice to see how chains will work, in which setting they serve the best ;)

[@shanesnyder7359]

This is very revealing. I'd love to see the same test with other tires as another commenter offered - Blizzaks maybe? Also, I would really like to see the new Frontier on this set of trails in the icy snow. Excellent video. Keep up the good work, Ryan!

[@damirs4468]

Thanks for posting Ryan. Any intentions of testing your Toyota LC on the hill under snowy conditions? I'm quite interested to see its performance in the snow, as there seems to be a lack of content showcasing the new LC in such an environment. It would be great if you could lead the way in demonstrating its capabilities. Thank you!

[@drivingsports]

Already did. That video drops next week.

[@rickper]

@@drivingsportsany hints on how it did??

[@HiddenOne22]

My 2024 Colorado ZR2 doesn’t have these issues and loves the snow ;)

[@shaali003]

Should do it with the RHO.

[@matteo2534]

Vivo in Italia e guido sempre sulla neve in montagna. Ho un pickup Mitsubishi l200, una Renegade 4x4 e una Fiat Panda 1988... I pickup sono pesanti, con gomme larghe e leggeri sul posteriore quindi sempre 4x4 low inserite, gomme invernali di qualità e 100 kg di zavorra sul cassone posteriore. La Jeep Renegade in modalità snow è ottima, precisa, veloce e tanta trazione e controllo. La Panda con le sue ruote 145 mm x 13 pollici e il suo peso piuma è un diavolo sulla neve e in salita non ha rivali. Morale: sulla neve, gomme efficienti, niente super potenze e peso piuma!

[@NIGHTMAREuki]

there was a video few years back from a Ukrainian channel with new Defender where similar thing happened in mud on a hill. it was bad, they almost went off the hill, sliding for like 30 feet. it was software fix and the channel had to sign an NDA. cant find the video right now

[@kelsey809]

I hope you had a lot of fun on this adventure! 😊👍👍

[@JesseBCO18]

Definitely changed my mind about getting a new Ranger.

[@gtronly]

I got the new ranger for 4 month ...now im with a tacoma trail hunter... Best choice ever

[@trailrunnah8886]

The truck is great, this is all driver error.

[@jamesoldman3021]

I bought my first 4 x 4 pickup which is now 70 years ago and have driven 4 x 4 ever since. Majority 3/4 or 1Tons, regular cab and crew cab. I know this video was made more for entertainment than anything else. Four recommendations if you are actually going off road is to always have weight in the back. Pickups a few do use them as such rather than passenger vehicles. So they are meant to have weight. Next use a skinner tire. I know its the fashion to have a wide tire but not that great for a lot of conditions. Where you are I would say go skinny. I've always preferred a standard but today you are stuck with automatics. Consider using low range and a higher gear. You have far more control when backing down with engine braking than by using the brake pedal. Last is to always have a two sets of chains. When the going gets rough you can chain up and I'm sure you would be amazed at how much farther you get. The second set for the front I seldom used except when really icy and needed to keep that front end under control. With a standard transmission is was far easier to switch between high and low range by double clutching. Each vehicle was different and you quickly found out which was the best option for certain conditions. You may want to use 4L but if you started to power out switch to 2H. Today they try to duplicate experience by offering a bunch of different drive modes. Maybe someday but I don't think I will see it. You can't tell by a video but with the depth of snow that you were pushing through with a little bit of weight and better throttle control you should have walked through that.

[@darkkforest]

2:44 *I wanna kinda have some fun.* Yea we can see that inner child since the beginning of this video 😂

[@JimVincitore]

I have no expert, but I think the truck did great in the deep snow and on icy hills. I have an old 2004 F250 with a 8 foot Meyer plow I bought used in 2016, I put chains on it if the snow gets deeper than 6 inches or snow. With the chains on it goes through deep snow very good. I use "SCC ZT835 Super Z Heavy Duty Truck Single Tire Traction Chain - Set of 2 ." I bought them used om Amazon for about $60.00.

[@billnicholas1381]

What happened to the front locker, never used

[@dougbennett3265]

So - what "stock" 4-by vehicle WOULD have made it up there . . . maybe a Rubicon or a TRD Tundra?? Just curious. Thank you.

[@icare7151]

Lock front axel next time.

[@JCintheBCC]

I know a lot of people are yelling in these comments about driver error and how Ryan doesn't know what he's doing, but y'all are missing the point. This is supposed to be a test of the vehicle. We all know what lockers do. We all know winter tires are better in the snow. If he made a test video of the new Ranger Raptor by swapping the tires, airing down (or not, since that seems to be a point of argument even among the "experts" here), locking all three differentials, and crawled up in 4LO... All that does is tell us that a triple-locked truck with snow tires in low range can climb a hill. We know that. I want to see him struggle with the Raptor, specifically. Try to navigate the stability control that cuts power. Test whether any of the throttle mapping and traction control settings do anything helpful. Test the Trail Control. Try and manage power from the twin-turbo motor. Those are the things that are unique to the Raptor that I want to know about. If none of those things help in the snow, and the answer is just "any truck with snow tires and a locker", then I'll stick with my '09 GX 470. He needs to *test* the product and not just make it up a hill.

[@jdoe3116]

As a Southern Cal resident, going to the mountains for snow fun, one brings chains

[@andrewsnow7386]

In conditions like he had -- snow that's not too deep and that packs to ice -- chains likely would have helped. But when the snow gets deeper, chains usually become a hindrance. Chains are really good at digging through snow and ice. In deep snow, this means they are really good at digging holes. Digging deep holes leaves the tires dangling and the vehicle high centered.-- not desirable. I carry chains for all 4 wheels, but almost never use them when snow-wheeling. Chains are excellent for use on icy roads or when the snow is not too deep (less than 6 to 10 inches), but in deep snow (2, 3, 4 feet or more) they are rarely helpful.

[@Jay-me7gw]

I brought chains but it was easier to air my 37's down to 6 psi and float🤣

[@AWDfreak]

Crazy how my $25,000 Subaru XV Crosstrek won't do this, but an expensive Ford Raptor will.

[@GHinWI]

You’d think for that much money, Ford could include an exhaust muffler.

[@AZdroptop]

Thank you for the video! I know nothing about driving in snow since I live in AZ so it was interesting to see how the truck reacts. I have to say the exhaust doesn't sound great on video? How is it in person? I think I like my Tremor''s exhaust note a little better.

[@MikeWebb-z7i]

I 100% agree with you on this situation. My F150 has put me in similar situations. Ford has limited a very capable truck due to the lack of research in snow with an incline. With advanced trac off, there should be no power limits what so ever. I bleed blue, but this issue hits home.

[@JörgMolitor]

Dear Mr. Douthit, I really enjoy watching your videos. It would be interesting how the Land Cruiser would do the job. It might be a challenge. Please go on doing these interesting an amusing videos. Sincerly yours Jörg from Munich, Germany

[@Deatomizer]

Probably the best bang for your buck truck you can buy right now. With Toyota having all kinds of mechanical issues and the other brands just don't have anything close to what the Raptor is. You got to just love this little truck

[@jimh.412]

The Ranger Raptor is awesome!!👍

[@052RC]

I love them because I make a fortune fixing them.

[@itsme-vw5yo]

​@@052RC ok hater how many ford next gen raptór did u fix? Clearly tour not à mechanic

[@Saiyan585]

The V6 Bronco is known to do the same thing.

[@briAction]

How were these conditions were compared to when you took the crosstrek up there? Looks a bit more slushy on the bottom. Really surprised there isn't a dedicated snow mode on the raptor

[@drivingsports]

It was about 30 degrees colder when I had the Crosstrek out.

[@briAction]

​@@drivingsports yeah that will make a big difference!

[@2075jm]

Great video Ryan! I appreciate the tenacity taking the truck back for a second attempt! I can’t believe some of the hills you were attempting 😂 A couple of times it sounded like the truck was just working its way up into too high of a gear and then bog down and cut power. I wonder if 4lo would have been worth a try. Obviously less wheel spin but would be interesting to see if there was the same intervention in 4lo. Great work!!

[@rocsteadyraptor]

I'm thinking that more of a rock crawl, maybe even 4 lo with front and rear lockers would do better than Baja mode for what he was trying to do. Running hard through sand and dirt roads, aka "Baja," is asking a lot different from the vehicle than going up a slippery, snow covered trail, no?

[@toddkovalcik332]

@rocsteadyification I think everyone is asking that same question. I'm not sure why he was using Baja mode when in the snow? I can see trying all the modes to see how it does, but to not to try the lockers and put it in LO with traction control off?

[@louisvilaros9066]

Alot of money for the truck wasn't impressed by the performance great video as u always have for us

[@is6566]

Ah, the Subaru channel. When Ryan doesn’t have a Subaru to drive he at least drives in a Subaru branded jacket. 😃 The jacket looks pretty warm though.

[@drivingsports]

Best damn jacket I own. Will wear when cold regardless of the test. 😂 (from ice racing school in Wisconsin)

[@is6566]

I thought you were at a driving event in Sweden, and got it there? It seemed there was Sweden written on it. Wisconsin is cold too.

[@drivingsports]

@ Flatout Sweden ran the program.

[@drivingsports]

Subaru Rear-Wheel vs All-Wheel Drive on Snow and Ice kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpawmKN-g9ySY5I

[@Mebbwebb]

I wish they branded with LL bean again....

[@NotaRobot_gif]

37 minutes of chit chat 1 min of driving. awesome.

[@snn517]

why would you not try it in 4LO and lock the front and rear???????????????????????? I mean a hill climb and you want to floor a twin turbo 3.0.??? those tires would be doing 110mph in a second ford did the right thing to protect it from exploding. with that being said im glad you did this review thanks

[@drivingsports]

4lo was what we were going to do after 4hi, but with the power cuts that redirected our focus. We contacted Ford PR with full details about our process and conditions (before finishing on day 1 of filming) and they seemed surprised it would cut like that, raising the idea we should have the truck checked. We sent the video of the truck sliding for Ford’s input that night and they had no issues with our approach, and still were surprised it was cutting power - again requesting us to have the truck checked, which we did. The return the next day was to check if the error was repeatable. So we drove in a manner we thought might trigger the same issue, which we were successful in doing, proving it wasn’t a one-off issue. This was all in the video. (Though we didn’t mention that we had planned to move on to 4lo if 4hi failed to get up the climb, but that is our standard format and probably wouldn’t be surprising to our regular viewers.)

[@xm3ntal620]

Egggggactly

[@xm3ntal620]

I have an old Land Rover Discovery 2 with Detroit trutracs front and rear and when I go do any kind of off-roading it lives in 4LO. There's a reason there's a 2 speed transfer case available especially when climbing!

[@igorlifanov8333]

thanks for the test

[@Monty1776]

Awesome video. Not a fan of how it kept cutting power on you. That is definitely a concern. It’s even more concerning they couldn’t find a reason for it.

[@DeuceDeuceBravo]

It's not a concern. It's doing what it's supposed to. The error is not using 4LO and lockers.

[@MrWipex]

Lovely video! Just great fun! Many thanks for this one. 😅

[@NatCredo]

This guy thought it was a good idea to put the truck into Baja mode with deep snow lmao. Ryan is a reviewer who makes good looking videos, but he is not an off roader (see what he did to his 4Runner a few years ago). He does the exact opposite of what you should do for these conditions - consistently.

[@c-square7375]

The Ford chime did ring at some point during the first climb. Was that a warning of any kind?

[@DorDor400]

Like all the bots in the comment section say, thank you for all you do! Love every video you make and have helped make choices when considering or buying new vehicles!

[@drivingsports]

@@DorDor400 at least the bots say nice things. 😂 🤖

[@EZapar]

Great vid! That truck got put through its paces! Glad you didn't get too crossed up, was worried about how you'd get recovered. Looking forward to the next snow adventure.

[@easyheimer]

Is it just me or does this guy have no idea what he’s doing?

[@trailrunnah8886]

Not just you.