DRONES IN WAR THUNDER! | What Will They Be Like? | Thoughts

[@theScottishKoala]

So I've had some clarifications from the dev team. For one, this drone modelled on the ZALA 421-16E is indeed the ONLY model that will be coming. There are no plans to do any sort of nation-specific drones like RQ-11 or Desert Hawk. Other than that, the strike drones or UCAVs will not be rank-based like scouts, for all rank 6/7 light tanks, but instead available dependent on the battle rating like nuclear bombers; only available in battles that see a certain br and up (if 9.0, then 8.0 tanks in full uptiers could access UCAVs, but 8.7 tanks in a full downtier could not). This precise br threshold is yet to be decided. Strike drones will earn RP/SL like regular aircraft, towards the aviation tree. No idea if they'll count towards things like CAS tasks in event missions for example, whether they'll show up in stat cards as a vehicle, and whether or not players will earn RP/SL for shooting down enemy UAVs of either kind (presumably you will for the strike drones at least). Oh, and Mirage 2000C has of course been confirmed... I've been working on this one for a few days

[@redstoneking4677]

Really? I know a guy connected to a dev (wont say its name) who said that attack drones will recieve their own tech tree like with the MQ1 on the dev server

[@evangalinsky2499]

The precise BR threshold for the UCAVs hasn't been decided but they did say on the dev stream it's likely to be around 9.7 (so 9.3-10.0). I'd be surprised if it were any lower or higher.

[@evangalinsky2499]

@@redstoneking4677 that completely contradicts what was said on the dev stream, so unless you have verifiable information, that's not true.

[@theScottishKoala]

@@redstoneking4677 a “tech tree” made up of a single vehicle not even used by most of the nations who’ll have it..? Yeah gonna call BS on that one. Either you’ve been lied to, or just misinterpreted what they meant. I’ll eat my socks if I’m wrong! 😂

[@sirmydas9613]

@@redstoneking4677 i don't believe that you "know a guy connected to a dev", maybe he told you that, but that sounds like bs. if they do get their own tech tree (which isnt on dev server right now) then sorry, but i don't believe you.

[@olekzajac5948]

22:39 Since those scout UAVs are usually hand-launched (or in general used by the infantry), they could just give them only to IFVs, as they can carry infantry.

[@lilbigmorgan]

I have a feeling they may combine heli ec with air ec and ground ec. They really should make a mode like that. But only one sided. Mission based with tons of objectives. Like a campaign. For those three modes in tandem. Could do historical operations from the late 60s and up for ranks 5 and up

[@mtxdp4392]

honestly anything new would be nice at this point

[@lilbigmorgan]

I just think they could do something that is combined arm's with out all of the team deathmatch garbage. You know using Cas how it is meant, not the vengeance kills, or spawn killing. But support of the team.

[@RogueBeatsARG]

i hope tho maps would look bad from ground, maybe air, helis and naval

[@PoormanNate]

im concern that the scout drones will probably be overpowered in the hands of a skilled player, plus very heavy wooded maps will provide drones cover when piloted, callouts and pings are going to be more believable and accurate with drones personally while they might be a fun mechanic, i still think its will cause more CAS probably, also nerfing kill assets will make the game even more grindy

[@filmandfirearms]

I think that adding drones is one of the worst things Gaijin could do. Ground RB past tier 4 already has a major problem with helicopter sniping, which you unintentionally demonstrated quite well in this very video, by just sitting behind a hill and launching missiles at people who didn't even see you 90% of the time, and the 10% of the time where they did, even the Shilka was unable to fight back

[@theScottishKoala]

I was in a Romanian Alouette 3… with Malyutka missiles which are slower than the normal Alouette 3 missiles… the Shilka could have countered me if he wasn’t a potato. Plus, that footage you’re seeing… that’s a very inconsistent result… and we got three kills. I’d have gotten seven if I’d just taken out a tank.

[@filmandfirearms]

@@theScottishKoala The point is not the amount of kills, but that you were completely immune to return fire as you got them. The Shilka didn't even see you until the missile was almost on top of him, because on his end, you were just a tiny speck in the distance behind a tree line. Even on high mag thermals, spotting helicopters at that range is difficult, and forget engaging them. I have only managed to kill a helicopter from the ground once, and it was when the guy was just hovering in one place for half the match and had killed me twice on opposite sides of the map while I was trying to play tanks. Then I used a BMP-1 and blew him out of the sky because he had no situational awareness. If he'd reacted at all, he would've lived. I highly doubt you could've gotten 7 kills like you say considering you were playing on Mozdok, which is one of the worst Ground RB maps in the game at top tier

[@brendonmoore3505]

I wonder if a jammer should be equiped to some tanks to help create dead zones. Either equip a drone or a Jammer as a modification.

[@spartanx9293]

0:07 why do I suddenly feel old?

[@SinfulFang]

I figure that the UAVs will have the same or similar AI that the naval ship launched planes will have, if you aren't flying the plane it fly's to a certain altitude and circles till you take control again. It'll certainly be interesting to see how they will be handling the UAVs in game for sure.

[@joshuamueller3206]

When you said kamikaze the scout drone into exposed crew members all I could say was OUCH. I imagine being hit by the ZALA would be a lot like someone throwing a deck chair at you at 80 mph.

[@carlitosskater89]

Fuel on vehicules should matter. As in if your vehicle gets pierced and the fuel deposit gets destroyed you should be getting towed by friendlies to a capture point or stay forever in a position when you ran out of fuel.

[@Etho_7]

As someone who is just getting into rank 6 I really don't enjoy the idea of more CAS capability, especially playing a nation like Sweden, half their vehicles are useless against most aircraft with either no machine guns or only coax like the chieftains or S-tanks. UCAV should be rank 7 only in my opinion and stripped for down tiers.

[@filmandfirearms]

As someone who is currently grinding for a T-64, I have to agree. CAS spam is the single worst part of higher tier Ground RB. I get sniped by enough helis and jets as is, we don't need more flying things with anti tank weapons

[@theScottishKoala]

@@filmandfirearms remember though every Orion or MQ-1 flying around with two missiles and barely the top speed of a biplane… is a player that ISN’T engaging you with a jet.

[@Etho_7]

@@theScottishKoala But they also aren't operating a ground vehicle so it is another detraction from that arena. I play ground vehicles to fight other ground vehicles, if I wanted to fight planes I'd play air RB. Heli's I'm fine with, tiny little drones with hellfires I'm not. How are you supposed to fight them effectively in something like a UDES 33 or U-SH 405, it's hard enough in an Strv.

[@theScottishKoala]

@@Etho_7 maybe try SPAA then..? If you’re keen on playing tanks only, AGAINST tanks only… you’re playing the wrong game. I suggest World of Tanks. War Thunder is never going to be that game

[@Etho_7]

@@theScottishKoala @theScottishKoala yeah cause the lvkv 42 is even remotely useful at 7.0. I play SPAA if it makes sense but if you're spawn is getting bombed spawning SPAA is usually a waste of SL. I still can't believe spawn bombing is allowed but arty isn't. I love how that is the standard response, go play WoT. If I wanted to play it I would, but I don't like tank hp bars. I never said no air, just less of it would be nice. Otherwise let me play air RB in an Adats or something. Game play is getting more one-sided every update. Also how come no one says if you want to fly planes play air RB? You can bomb ground targets there.

[@hklassehutten1476]

Something tells me that Koala has not watched a single second of the devblog I just can't put my finger on it

[@timothygoodwin3287]

One thing I would like to see is sort of a drone tech tree one for NATO, China and Russia. But it wouldn't be like current tech trees where you have to unlock then upgrade they would already be upgraded you would just be unlocking a drone with better abilities and could choose to swap them out in the drone slot for battles only being able to use one UCAV and one UAV

[@ommsterlitz1805]

France have the SMDR for Recon, the SDAM could be very very cool and obviously the MQ 9 Reaper.

[@MisterBobderJob]

If Ukraine would be a playable nation they would have get a Dji drone with a tiny granade. 😬😅

[@davidtaylor4308]

we need more content my fellow scot!!!! joined your kilt squadron yay not many people to play with but all very friendly

[@ryanweintraub9448]

Im kinda glad the MQ-1 isnt getting the AGM-176 Griffins

[@piscessoedroen]

imma be honest, it's weird seeing dev server footage while hearing an opinion from before devstream

[@simplewolf5946]

It seems like this was recorded in the past but then had dev server gameplay posted over it. A lot of his questions have already been answered by either the devblog, or by just playing the dev server. Example, Koala asks "what does the drone do when not controlling it?". This was already clarified that it flies in a straight line. Idk, the gameplay is just contradictory as to what is being said.

[@theScottishKoala]

Likely that’s just unfinished. Keep in mind a lot was either not present or not working correctly this dev server. Mirage 2000 is like half done, with a copy-paste Mirage F1 performance and radar right now Not at all indicative of how the drones will act come live patch release. They’ll most likely (and hopefully) circle your vehicle like ship-launched recon aircraft, not just fly in a straight line

[@CypherusMcClain]

Of all the topics in this video: 6:10 - I agree 100%. Anything that is a "consumable" should be able to be replenished at a cap circle. I never thought of ERA being lumped in with that, but I would support that motion. However, Artillery is clearly something that is called in by the tank commander, and I feel should not be subject to this replenishment requirement. 10:15 - When you start going into the many different drones. My question, would there be a "drone tech tree" that functions along the lines of modules for tanks? If you going to be able to choose what kind of drone (Better speed on Drone A than Drone B, but Drone B has a better high res camera), should you be able to "check off" which ones you would like in your lineup for the next battle? Perhaps along the lines of the dozer mechanic (or anything of that sort). if you un-check it, it removes it from the vehicle. Go to the drone tech tree, un-check a drone, and it removes it from the lineup. Thoughts? 16:29 - I feel it should be 100% RP/SL for ground as it is a ground vehicle exclusive utility. I am however, open to discussion on what it should do otherwise. // I also believe that you should be able to land the thing at an airfield for rearming and repair, should you actually survive being shot it. Though, do it like the Harriers, give it an air spawn coming back, and probably from the heli-pads with a "drone strip" or something. 17:20 - Basically UCAVs being an upgradable/progressive utility. Same thing as the scout drones. Give them a tech tree, but have them be check-off-able to select which one appears in your lineup. 17:35 - I feel it should be a BR-related utility and not rank. 9.0+ I feel would be an adequate point for introductory drones. As the previously mentioned drone tech trees I mentioned, have them work like helicopter trees. You need a 9.0 tank or higher to gain access to it.

[@usslexingtoncva-1639]

Replenishable FPE when XD

[@CypherusMcClain]

@@usslexingtoncva-1639 When Hell freezes over.

[@theScottishKoala]

Problem with artillery right now is it’s spam. It’s way too powerful for how easily and how frequently it is used. One way to limit that is to make it a consumable. Don’t bring realism into that discussion. Tanks don’t have limited uses of fire extinguishing equipment IRL either, nor can the two surviving crew members rush around replacing a blown out cannon breach in under 50 seconds WHILE IN COMBAT… As for drone RP/SL, it’ll go toward aircraft which I think is the right call. Giving it to tanks just because it’s “a tank-based thing” would be a weird argument. There aren’t nearly enough drones that could be assed to make accessible “tech trees”. Hell most nations only have one, and for some of them zero (they’re just using another nations’ instead, like all western nations getting the MQ-1). Would be better keeping them like the nuclear bombers where it is just replaced by the newer and better models FOR you as you reach a new br.

[@CypherusMcClain]

@@theScottishKoala I suppose I have a vastly different experience with artillery. It just paints a target on the map, but never have I ever gotten a kill with it. Can I get some of that Artillery Juju? I'm not sure I mentioned anything specifically for the sake of realism... I mean, artillery being called in from a remote location and not subject to resupply, I guess, but again, just because I never viewed artillery as such an issue. Not necessarily it's "realistic" usage. I also guess that makes sense, drones for aircraft. I guess my whole stance with it was merely because you get 2 hellfires or (missiles here) for other nations and then you gotta crawl back to an airfield or wherever to replenish. Not really a whole lot to climb an aviation tree. BUT I suppose every bit counts, no matter how little. And that makes sense. I didn't think of it that way; newer model of drone defaulted per BR. Makes more sense than having a dinky 3 unit Drone Tree.

[@theScottishKoala]

@@CypherusMcClain artillery is extremely extremely deadly… … when it belongs to your team mates 😔

[@mr.marauder2982]

I don’t know if anyone caught him up but it has been confirmed we are getting mirage 2000

[@tylerrose4416]

Yes I was confused, mirage is here finally

[@theScottishKoala]

Left a pinned comment with updated info, including the Mirage

[@kineuhansen8629]

i wonder how drones and helicopter will work in naval when we will get post 1975 cruisers and dd with helicopters

[@theScottishKoala]

Naval helis could just replace the current naval recon aircraft our battleships and some cruisers are launching. Naval drones aren’t really much of a thing until you get to the 2010s. The distances they’d have to cover would just be too great for them to be controlled (we’re talking about the 80s here… remember 80s computers..??!)

[@olekzajac5948]

I've seen you make videos about vehicles that should or shouldn't be added to WT. So how about that type of a video but about mechanics? For example TV guided missiles (Spike LR, LR2 and Akeron MP have that capability), active radar homing air-to-ground missiles (Brimstone) and so on? That might make for a cool couple of videos as well.

[@adambosman9611]

Introducing the new TB-2 Bayraktar! With new new incompetent leadership skill applied to all Russian vehicles, they are completely invisible and cannot be targeted! With the new realism update making so Russian SAMs no longer turn on there radar, it makes this new addition even more lethal! Slava Ukraini

[@steakinbacon8593]

Also Russian tank crews have a 70% chance of abandoning their tanks after ally within 30m gets blown up and a 50 percent chance of their tanks breaking down so to no spare parts.

[@steakinbacon8593]

Also Russian artillery has a 200% chance to hit everything other than the tank they are trying to kill.

[@ChalcolithicPrizim]

Maybe instead of a precise callout on the map, scouting a tank with the drone would instead paint a translucent square zone on the map, roughly where the tank is located

[@theScottishKoala]

The whole map would be red three minutes into the battle 😂

[@exo068]

I honestly think it would’ve been better if they just gave access to loitering munitions in exchange for SP and make them basically into a hellfire with camera on the nose.

[@theScottishKoala]

Those would be EXTREMELY overpowered. They’re basically ATGMs that can aim at targets your tank cannot actually see (meaning they can’t shoot back at you) one-hit killing everything in game… while on a cap you have infinite reloads of those munitions

[@exo068]

@@theScottishKoala I mean similar to the nuke or combat UAV not the scout UAV. But yes now that you mentioned it, they could easily break the game if implemented like you said.

[@thetrujelo]

I think the Dev Server watermark is a bit much, I can see have it there for the first few second and then shrink it into the corner but in the center of the screen for all the gameplay is a bit of an eyesore.

[@h.a8681]

good video, however the dev server watermark thing is far too large it obscures the gameplay a lot

[@lukeskywalket2894]

99% sure the update will be called Drone Age

[@Sivomm]

I mean anyone would know that from the UPDATE PAGE

[@spartanx9293]

22:26 that's going to f****** my 8.0 lineup

[@strategicperson95]

Red Desert. Funny I haven't seen that map since this update dropped, as well as few others. Yet Kursk is still in rotation.

[@steakinbacon8593]

I like red desert when it’s br appropriate but kirsk should have Been removed or reworked years ago it’s still just as god awe full as it was when it was put on rotation.

[@steakinbacon8593]

“Kursk”

[@theScottishKoala]

@@steakinbacon8593 Kursk HAS been reworked massively since it’s introduction. Still has one major flaw which is that the southern side’s left spawn is basically unusable, but outside that one remaining issue it’s a perfectly fine map now. People will continue to complain no matter what’s done to it just because complaining about Kursk has become the norm

[@mtxdp4392]

cant wait for the oddbawz drone nuke video

[@lukewhitehouse4103]

I like the concept of drones but how sweaty and try hard the majority of the player base is I can just see them being used in the most frustrating way. I also don't like that certain nations will get a superior versions of drones as this isn't a dedicated tt variant the drones excluding the variant of missiles would all have the same capabilities, imagine trying to get you 90kph Italian or British drone as the US one zips past at nearly 170kph with the map sizes this leads to a huge imbalance for nations that don't have an indigenous drone program.

[@theScottishKoala]

When you say “sweaty and try hard” what I hear is “people who can think and breathe at the same time”… Putting any bit of tactical thought, effort, or teamwork into this game is “tryharding” nowadays.

[@lukewhitehouse4103]

@@theScottishKoala I think how far a large percentage of the player base will and has gone to exploit Gaijins poorly designed game mechanics illustrates that. Add on camo for advantaged using bushes, climbing up and outside of the map to shoot into spawns, spawn camping, ignoring the game objective to camp spawns the list goes on. I think we all know how drones will work, likely IFV will sneak somewhere near the enemy spawn, spawn a drone and fly it near the helicopter spawn, then spawn camp untill a helicopter is spawned tab back to the drone and suicide the drone into the helicopter tab back and repeat.

[@Austrium1483]

@@lukewhitehouse4103 true

[@DeosPraetorian]

@@theScottishKoala You know damn well the type of stuff he's talking about

[@theScottishKoala]

@@lukewhitehouse4103 Okay for one in your big list of problems you just listed spawn camping three times... I'm sorry but you only get spawn camped if you've already fked up. Enemies can't spawn camp you if you just hold your ground and watch your flanks... If you've lost control of the map... you get spawn camped. What are they supposed to do? Sit in the caps twiddling their thumbs waiting for you to come to them, just to kill you anyway?? Just wastes both sides' time! Two, there isn't a "tab back and repeat" problem with UAVs, since you gotta go back to a friendly cap if you want another one. By the time you've reloaded two of em, game will be over. Plus you can't just sit ignorantly in a cap without someone getting a very easy kill against you... really not a threat. Add to that, if helicopter pilots are braindead enough to get suicided into by a UAV... they deserve it. Literally takes pressing the W key for three seconds and you're already way too fast to get rammed. Usually people are complaining about helicopters just sitting still spamming ATGMs... this must be the first time I've seen people argue FOR that. Try moving every once in a while and it'll literally never happen

[@Farmuhan]

I remember you said the april fools warfare 2077 didn't test anything

[@gartenlarry4167]

Do you think there will be new big things on the 2nd dev server?

[@theScottishKoala]

Doubtful, though there likely is a RAF Harrier II coming if you consider that “big things” 😄

[@njmadson4951]

This addition of drones is going to make people not like ground RB as much. If you’re a ground-only player, you’re already dealing with CAS and now with drones you’re gonna be dealing with constantly being scouted and targeted. Plus I’ve heard the drones aren’t visible on radar as of right now, which will cause significant problems for top-tier AAA. Imo, this is gonna suck

[@theScottishKoala]

Drones not being detectable on radar will for sure be fixed by the live patch release, that’s just a dev server thing

[@hdhstarwars2723]

how about instead of oh this new vehicle would be a good premium/battle pass/ squad we instead say it will be after this vehicle in the tech tree.

[@theScottishKoala]

Certain vehicles just don’t belong in the tech tree. Mirage 50 is one of them

[@spartanx9293]

Hmm might buy Sergeant York if it gets really bad

[@alankohn6709]

I figure it will go something like this when launched they will darken the sky till people realize that you sitting there doing nothing with drone is fun for maybe 30 seconds and the guy with light tank is screaming around the field shooting up AFT (Away from Tank) players and is racking up the lions. You will also probably see a massive up kick in people spawning SPAA even some of the low tier cheap SPAA will be more than capable of chewing them out of the air. followed by people going that was fun lets get back to game and them being used fairly uncommonly from that point on but hey they'll be great for those well I'm completely stuck moments . Now if you are good and can work it with a friend you take one person in a light tank one person in an SPA you spawn in bolt as far back as you can get off the battlefield then the light tank launches the UAV and the artillery fires and the start using indirect fire now will this work? don't know but it would be fun to try out . As far as the Attack drones I wonder if this might not be the impedes for Gajin to decompress the line-up to push some of the WW2 era tanks away from their more modern counterparts and keeping drones clear of them. With the attack drone I wonder if once the novelty wares off if people don't figure I can take a plane with more weapons and gun or a drone with a couple of missiles this may depend on cost if the spawn is low enough then it becomes a game of can I launch one take out a couple of tanks J out and spawn another. The other thing to consider is do I take out a plane which I'm going to have to pay Lions to repair or a disposable drone. Till this all kicks off it is wait and see.

[@theScottishKoala]

Well I can answer that last one - you’ll only be able to spawn the UCAV once per battle. What I am wondering though is whether it’s spawn cost stacks up with attack aircraft like the Jaguar or A-7 etc. If so… completely worthless for anyone who has any top end aircraft researched

[@alankohn6709]

@@theScottishKoala I they're not too expensive I can see a lot turning up late battle as it may be all that someone can afford to spawn

[@theteadrinkingowl.2295]

I just though of how decompretion is a "bad" thing. Due to the rapid increase is weapon capability (guilded bombs, ect.) on less capabile airframes, it does not matter that aircraft have the same BR number in both ground and air battles. Anyway, anothing "U.S.P." added to the game that noone asked for. Great to see Gijian.... :/

[@Orca19904]

🎶Bayraktar... Bayraktar... 🎶

[@Oxynium]

My take on drones? One more reason to avoid high tier completely.

[@theScottishKoala]

Cool, everyone should play the part of the game they enjoy the most 👍 For me these will be quite enjoyable… the recon drones at least. The strike drones are utterly pointless

[@ODST_Parker]

I'm extremely worried about this, and frankly it just seems like another half-baked mechanic similar to dozers. Those who know how to use them, and those who fight in coordinated teams, will use these drones to absolutely dominate battles. Those who don't know their ass from a hot rock will likely just fly around the entire battle while leaving their tanks unattended, helping no one. Attack drones will be yet another way tanks will just suddenly explode without warning or any way to stop it. Now it'll be available for EVERYONE, which means even more teammates not playing tanks and playing CAS while the battle is being lost. Even if they were going to work perfectly and not destroy high-tier gameplay and whatever semblance of balance we have left, I'm disappointed anyway. No unique models? Just one fucking Russian drone for all nations? I get that it's a feature which could be expanded on, but holy fuck, at least wait until you've modeled more than ONE.

[@Pandramodo]

Haha! First!

[@spartanx9293]

Dude you are everywhere

[@CaptPro]

No me

[@CaptPro]

*got em*

[@L1mp1nB1zk1t]

Seeing how I quit the game 2 months ago. I am free of the spaghetti code. Free of the Russian Bias bullshit. Free of Gaijoob's incompetence and free of the cancer yet to come for you guys. I shall enjoy watching you guys suffering from the sidelines with popcorn and a cold drink.

[@Einsatzkommando1945]

Not over powered against helicopters at all

[@theScottishKoala]

Nah. They're slower helicopters with fewer missiles that can't hover... and the recon UAVs aren't even that!

[@LEFTY073]

@@theScottishKoala I guess you haven't seen the videos of people killing helicopters with the scout drones yet.

[@theScottishKoala]

@@LEFTY073 it happens, hell I did it at the end of this one… but only if the heli pilot is completely oblivious or actively stupid. Dev server “gameplay” is nothing like that on the live server. The simple fact is any helicopter moving at 100kph is immune to UAV ramming, and on the live server it’s difficult to use a helicopter at low level and NOT be going at least that speed. At the top of the cliffs around Middle East on the other hand… well the UAVs will struggle to even fly that high. Meanwhile stationary helicopters are gonna get hit… … once the drone flies out there, AND they ignore their heli base AA spamming rounds at it for two minutes straight… doesn’t seem like a huge issue if someone that dumb gets killed

[@LEFTY073]

@@theScottishKoala We will have to see how they play in the live server but still I don't think that it should be a thing as it doesn't really reflect what would most probably happen in real life (Closest example I could think of was bird strikes).

[@theScottishKoala]

@@LEFTY073 because the two surviving crew members in a tank repairing the tank’s blown out cannon in under 50 seconds while under continuous fire definitely reflects real life

[@GreenGoblin99574]

All those new things and yet those same old maps

[@Gurdaspuriya06]

Just make the only tank mode i cant handle planes and now this fuck life

[@theScottishKoala]

The "tank only game mode" is called World of Tanks. War Thunder is not a game about tanks it's a game about combined arms warfare, that's always going to involve CAS

[@Picolinni]

I want them to ad the MiG 28 as an April Fools.

[@johnsettembrino4571]

Theres no such thing.

[@Picolinni]

@@johnsettembrino4571 I believe there was a whooshing sound past your head. Watch the original Top Gun.

[@spartanx9293]

They already did it's called the f5

[@mamarussellthepie3995]

Gib bronco Gib bronco Gib bronco Gib bronco Gib bronco Reeeeeeee

[@mr.abrams8112]

I just want a damn tt abrams with gen 2 thermals, not that russia is getting another mbt, usa can get one

[@Saticron]

Why do the voice over before watching the devstream? You even have dev server gameplay footage, so you definitely didn't make this video before the stream happened. This all just seems like it was poor planning on your part.

[@theScottishKoala]

I think you underestimate how long these kinds of videos take to make... I'm not churning them out in a few hours, I'm not THAT KZbinr after all! When it comes down to it, most of these questions are still unanswered - dev server performance is rarely indicative of what's planned for the live patch release, so I'm hopeful that the drones when not being controlled will circle around the player, rather than just flying in a straight line. That's how the scout planes work in naval and how it should work here. Scouting will most likely be a thing come live release as well, despite not being a thing on the dev server. I wouldn't trust the things Mike says either - he's already gotten a lot wrong and had to backtrack because he made assumptions based on the info he had in front of him, like that the CV90105 TML would be removed from sale but you'd keep it if you already had it.

[@Ghastly_Grinner]

Don't most ppl play arcade?

[@theScottishKoala]

Nah, not for years. RB took over from arcade as the most popular mode in like 2019

[@Ghastly_Grinner]

@@theScottishKoala oh wow didn't know that never really got into RB

[@theScottishKoala]

@@Ghastly_Grinner it’s worth a shot, particularly ground battles. No three-spawn limit, if you’re good enough you’ll be able to spawn ten times as necessary, and you get to select and outfit your own CAS platforms. Plus you can sneak right up to enemies without them knowing you’re there, especially in little ASU-57s or M56s! Air realistic is a heck of a learning curve after coming from arcade, with no respawns, no mid-air reloads etc., but I truly believe it’s the superior game mode for the game War Thunder is trying to be (somewhere between World of Warplanes and IL2/DCS)

[@FurioSS_]

Another aerial crap that will frustrate tank players even more . We already have ridiculusly OP CAS , now it will be drones too.

[@OkamiiSenpai]

Well ground rb is ruined

[@steakinbacon8593]

Lol only for you mate not the rest of us

[@13deadghosts]

Great, even more Skycancer. Why don't they just delete Ground RB already and replace it with a player planes vs npc ground targets PVE mode? As they seem to be hell bent on filling "ground" RB with ever more skycaner.

[@The_Irish_Fox]

Just play SPAA

[@bzs187]

@@The_Irish_Fox Try spaa in lower tier. You shoot one plane and 2 other shoot you. Then you did try spaa and achieve nothing. Totally worth it and so much fun, for someone. But not for people who just want to play tanks. Plus, the jUsT pLaY SpAA is the most stupid thing to say for the most obvious problem ground RB currently has.

[@LipziG3R]

@@bzs187 SPAA is incredibly strong in lower tiers. But sure, if you just spam your guns so that you become a beacon for every plane to see, then you'll get swarmed. That's something so many SPAA users don't get ... you fire when you have a good or definitive chance to take the bird out or at least crit it. So you don't give up your position way to early for other planes to focus on you ... Your comment sounds like a skill issue.

[@theScottishKoala]

@@bzs187 if you want to play tanks only play World of Tanks. War Thunder has never been and will never be “a tank game”

[@noahhuls]

lots of wrong information, dont use this video as a source to complain about drones. For example scout drones cannot active scout

[@theScottishKoala]

They will be able to on live server according to the devs

[@theskull3412]

They gave me another Reason to not play the game

[@dogeboi1804]

Yay can't wait to not play these things because I havent reached top tier yet and I'm not gonna spend money o n fucking warthunder out of all things

[@theScottishKoala]

I mean this game has way more content than most AAA full-priced games ever have… not unreasonable to expect to have to buy at least SOMETHING. I can make some recommendations for you, if it’s the drones you want to play - namely the Russian BMP-2M is one of the best buyable vehicles in the game and isn’t too expensive. The TAM-2IP is straight up OP vs the tech tree TAM, and the WMA-301 is ridiculously broken at br 8.3. All good places to put your money, and they’ll help your grind immensely. Any other premiums are still gonna be good, but those are the best I can think of to get the drones. I’d recommend the TAM or WMA, as they’re gonna be the easiest to play for someone not familiar with rank 6 gameplay yet, plus they’re premium while the BMP-2M is not. All depends on what nation you’re grinding though

[@dogeboi1804]

@@theScottishKoala well, the thing is Im not very good at this game. If I buy a top tier or high tier veichles, then Im gonna get destroyed by even more experienced players. Im already getting destroyed in low tier, which the community claims to be the most fun, while top tier is said to be awfully frustrating and harder? So idk, I dont wanna spend money knowing that I might have an even worse experience. I wanna get decent before I do buy something, see If I can have fun with the game. If I do become better/have more fun then yeah, buying a veichle is the only way Im seeing myslef progress through the 9 gazillion veichles this game has. Also, Im currently doing the American tree, I was told its the most biginner friendly.

[@dogeboi1804]

@@theScottishKoala so yeah I shouldve rephrased my comment, not gonna spend money on warthunder out of all things *yet*

[@dogeboi1804]

@@theScottishKoala btw, do you happen to have videos to help biginners that aren't things like "press the right trigger to shoot" yk what I mean. Like how do I survive for more than 5 minutes, and get more than 1 kill, or is that just how the game is

[@theScottishKoala]

@@dogeboi1804 there are plenty of KZbinrs with this kind of content, and I USED to upload a lot of it myself, many of which those videos are gone from the channel now. I have been meaning to return to it more regularly including at lower tiers, but because those videos appeal to such a small portion of the community (you are already thinking harder about this game and how to play it than 90% of its players are, so good on ya!), I haven’t really put a lot of time into it just yet. All I can say is that you’ll do a lot better if you hang back a bit in games, waiting for the enemy team to trundle toward you while you sit in a position where you can see them coming. You can also go into custom battles (allow bots on the enemy team), to get a feel for how the different maps are laid out, where you can get to quickly, where you’ll be vulnerable to enemy fire etc. Mostly though, I recommend paying close attention to any particular vehicles you struggle to fight… and then playing those vehicles in their respective tech trees to watch for how OTHER people tend to kill you. Then you can go back to vehicle number 1 with the knowledge of how vehicle 2 tends to die, and give it a try.

[@neniAAinen]

Rn seems disappointing hyping. They did them just as call-in manned planes...which completely doesn't represent what remotely-piloted aircraft(RPAs) are. Not the first (whole large naval) or even second (SAM) time, but it's still bad. I am personally against how they realized either of the classes. The vehicle-based a/c probably should've been a quadrocopter, as those simply fill the role far better. Both in their range, their limitations(direct view of launching platform, range to it, for example), and their logic. Small RP UAVs are operated by a whole unit, and they represent something much higher and more important than the light tank which will be launching them. This will probably lead to both mindless spam (oversized drones doing weird mindless stuff over the battlefield) and a complete lack of representation of how those shape the modern battlefield. Same, at a larger scale, can be said about MALEs. I mean seriously, MALE units (typically operating >1 aircraft simultaneously) do it in a completely different fashion than what we'll probably see(dumb revenge hellfire suicide craft). Their key payloads aren't weapons in the first place.

[@theScottishKoala]

War Thunder is not a simulator, so I feel like these “unrepresentative” models are absolutely fine, and the right idea. We don’t have infantry, we don’t have supply convoys travelling hundreds of miles to maintain supply lines with different brigades across a strategic theatre… we have a video game where a bunch of tanks go shooty shooty against a bunch of other tanks… We also have it that the two remaining crew members can repair a damaged turret in 50 seconds while under continuous enemy fire after their commander has been killed… realistic representation of these factors has never been what this game is about - I suggest Arma 3 if that’s what you’re after.

[@neniAAinen]

@@theScottishKoala War thunder usually is representative enough. Or, to be exact, in most cases it is about as representative as gaijin developers themselves care about something. In this case, they just dont- it's a pure arcade mechanic.

[@quigonjinn3567]

Yay aint gonna play War Thunder any more thanks gaijin for giving us shit no one asked for. Like digging & now drones CAS is already breaking ground RB with out giving any proper counters. ARTY strikes, Planes with laser guided missiles & bombs, helicopters & now drones... fuck this shit !WE WANT TO PLAY TANKS & IFV IN GROUND RB! How hard is that to understend? Why dont you also add Player controled ships to AIR RB shooting down all planes from 5km away?

[@theScottishKoala]

If you just wanna play tanks only, you’re playing the wrong game… War Thunder is a game about combined arms, always will be. I recommend World of Tanks, or just stick below 8.0 where the SPAA completely outmatch the aircraft (at least if you’re not a potato aim)

[@quigonjinn3567]

@@theScottishKoala Im playing War Thunder since 2012 & it was never about combined warfare m8. Most SPAA's in War thunder are useless or made useless by gaijin. Like adding new muzzle flash visuals to the AMX-13 DCA 40 it WAS a good SPAA for tits BR but now you cant even see what ur shooting at. There are giant holes in the SPAA branches, & if there is even 1 planes above ur spawn he will kill you even before you can spot a plane. Here on EU Servers Planes dominate 8 out of 10 times czu gaijin thinks its a good idea to not give a fuck about balance. I Play every Nation exept Copie & pasteriono China & Israel, in UK tree the best current SPAA BEVORE the Falcon is the Ystervark.. a good gun on a abismal platform offering no protevtion & blocking huge of the guns traverse. Radar SPAA's under 40mm have am max effective range of 1-5 - 2,5 km only a few have proxifuse ammonition. There is a Plane for very BR & every situation but no proper ground counter, there are no limmits how many times a player can spawn in a plane or how many can be operated at the same time... If ur "good" SPAA gest spawn bullpoped from 5km away thats it then you can spawn in a ww2 SPAA well done. In matches when a team has air superiority that means game over & wining teams (on the ground) get completely destroyed. This also creates 1 spawner they spawn get killed by a plane orhelicopter & just go. Thats very annoing for the rest of the theam but understandable. If im used to Have cake & suddenly they serve cracker crumbs, im not buying any more. Most Tanks dont even have proper roof mounted MG' & are fucked if anything flies by. It seams to mee gaijin is testing ho much they can fuck up bevore most of the "Old Guard" are leaving for good. We are asking since ~2016 for br decompression & fixing of ghostshells, just to name 2 yet Gaijin simply doesn't give a fuck as long as the are still making money, War Thunder is now at its peak cuz of the A-10 & soom Frogfoot but once they run out of new planes & Tanks to add this game will be dead. Cuz adding new shit to attract new players is all they are doing. They promised not to add toptier Premium vehicles... they just add 5 new top tier wehicles so they van say a 10.0 tank is no "top tier" resulting in whole matches with new accounts with no line up just 1 tank dooming the whole match from the beginning.

[@theScottishKoala]

@@quigonjinn3567 If you’ve been playing since 2012 you’ll remember that it was aircraft only back then. Tanks weren’t even introduced until two years later. There was never any stage at which the game involved tanks but not combined arms, that’s what it’s always been about Most SPAAs are not useless. You’re just shit.

[@fluffls]

This is such a pointless video Many of your questions have indeed been answered in the live stream from war thunder regarding the update Yes, the drones will continue to fly straight ahead after leaving them Yes, they will have access to the entire fly area, like aircraft (The combat drone even spawns where planes do) No, they cannot capture zones as they are programmed to detonate on impact with the ground, regardless of speed Yes, all the RP from Combat Drones will be going towards the Aircraft you are researching Honestly, if you are going to do a video like this PLEASE do your own research first regarding this topic, this is an extremely pointless video as it stands.

[@theScottishKoala]

This was made before the dev stream. As far as the drones’ activity while you’re not piloting it, it may very well be unfinished. Hopefully come the live server the recon drones will orbit around the player and not simply fly in a straight line.

[@Hdig892]

FIRST

[@TheG0dzila]

@scotishkoala hey there is a small youtuber called W.T.C.S thet makes vidoes about a big problem warthunder has and ist not talked about in the community while gaijin does not want it to be widely know is cheating. He makes vidoes about it wi replays and evidance about it . Check them out plz. This problem needs to be know . Thanks in advance mate ❤️