Drop Bar Forcible Entry " The Irons"

[@fire1937]

Agreed, I've always liked the saying, "send a firefighter to Hell and he'll take the gate off the hinges."

[@datura9441]

Who the fuck says that and with what context

[@fire1937]

@@datura9441 salty.

[@fire1937]

@Balkan Kneecap thief 38.. 😏🤘🏻

[@fire1937]

@Balkan Kneecap thief totally playing dude. I was 25, and yes. I realize how douchie it is now too haha.

[@anderson-gb8rp]

@@fire1937 I don’t see anything douchie about your comment 7 yrs ago.

[@jefftrevordickson2756]

It's not often you get straight forward good video footage put together like this. Thanks for sharing!

[@raymondrouthier3920]

Just in time

[@ДмитрийПрокин-у2й]

Thanks for video. I'll firefighter from Russia. And it was very interesting how the U.S. Counterparts. Well done guys))).

[@Engineer9736]

Дмитрий Прокин So Russia is actually spying the US 😀

[@kyleknight8267]

what number do you call in Russia for fire emergencies?

[@FlerdaMan]

wow dude you are way to mad about this its a joke get over it

[@freddie-ug1sy]

well you did kinda just use a stereotypcal term for Americans calling them dumbasses...

[@freddie-ug1sy]

lil bit hypocrytical

[@nmcarpenter]

I really like the communication technique between each other.

[@bdlee712]

Basic Firefighter I stuff, never gets old! Stay safe guys!!

[@moose5632280]

Nick Carpenter p

[@tinafnbfbmurphy7390]

M3ixh Nick Carpenter ijhneujqfwajabw2n

[@bernadettmolnar1093]

Nick Carpenter i

[@mystupidfacebook]

Its call teamwork, wether you like the guy or not team work can make the difference

[@AlphaThreat]

Great video......Showing both inside and outside views is key for a complete understanding of what exactly is happening and a better understanding of the entire force. Great job gentlemen!

[@IRONSandLADDERS]

Doing a plunge cut down the middle is rarely effective on these types of drop bars. Many drops bars are mounted so they go behind the frame on both sides of the door. Commercial door frames are usually 6" wide, and a 14" rotary saw only has a cutting depth of 5". If you plunge the saw it won't even begin to cut the actual drop bar. Its easier to attack what we can see, which is the carriage bolts.

[@stephenhusak6098]

Plunge cut it then stick a carpenter s square in the cut and push the drop bar up and out or slide the square down and pull on panic bar.

[@76irodriguez]

Firefighters and EMT's are heroes! The fact that you put your live in danger to save lives and do everything you can to save a stranger is amazing. God bless you all!

[@jonathanbrand3379]

Highly informative. The inner perspective really helped with the explanation behind the thought process.

[@firemedic542]

Excellent training video. I've spent most of my career on an engine. You don't realize just how much of an art forcible entry is until you watch and learn things like this. Thanks for sharing, and stay safe.

[@trentsmillmansion1]

I love the content and "spirit" of your videos. Humility and knowledge rolled into one. Keep doing what you're doing. We all need this stuff. Stay safe.

[@Gucci_Membrane]

So basically if you are a firefighter you become a professional at breaking into houses

[@MrHelpingHand]

Lightly Abused not quietly though

[@thalivenom4972]

anyone can break in, its getting in fast thats rough. these guys go great though

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

Most firefighters are burley enough that when face with a conventional suburban front door they can probably just cool-aid man their way in. This is for much tougher industrial doors.

[@thalivenom4972]

@@MaxwellAerialPhotography as a security pro, houses are a joke, really.. places like this with no windows are much tougher, you are correct. i now want to see a fireman jump through a door, very very much, though.

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

@@MaxwellAerialPhotography One of the better mental images, made from a YT vid comment in a while!

[@TheWtfnonamez]

I found this video to be very informative and helpful. Why all the mean comments?

[@EdCourney]

Now these gents seem like they've done this dance before...excellent demo...excellent comms….verrrrrrry well done technique AND vid demo. Awesome.

[@EmergencydriveUK]

Great video, we have the hoolie tool but have never been shown this way of using it, i will certainly pass this on to my UK fire fighting team

[@martinbaker707]

It's a very good demo. However in 17 years of service with departments that run both Truck and Rescue Squad we've always used the saw and cut a triangle in the door and then reach in and lift the bar out of place. Then the none spent crew can force the door conventionally. We've also cut the triangle in the door then cut vertical top to bottom so the door is in halves with the saw on a heavy secured door. Two bars and Three deadbolts. Good saw inside in less then 60 seconds. Just working smarter not harder.

[@phillipa224]

i like how you don't shy away from the actual effort it takes to do it.

[@smokemadbuds991]

Awesome video, never doubt the irons capabilities. Stay safe out there brothers

[@pokeoak345]

With this being out swing door couldn't you work on taking out hinge pins and going at it from that angle?

[@lukepippin4781]

@@pokeoak345 not with a drop bar, no.

[@thereeds0612]

very good video. the communication between the two is simple, clear and affective

[@richardkeilig8743]

Great class! Hardwork, coordination, teamwork, fitness, and knowledge of the door itself was displayed in this awesome video.

[@Roree403]

Gentlemen, great video with excellent explanation. Made sure to pass this along to my guys. Way to represent Truck 8

[@jacobpule6390]

I’m a fire alarm technician and I have so much respect for the Fire Dept. If there’s no Knox box key or entry, then they have to rip the door down. I tell all my customers that they should keep the room to the FACP unlocked so the FD doesn’t tear it down. The FD doesn’t mind whatsoever if they have to demo a door or wall. I love it. They sacrifice so much and get very little recognition.

[@justinplata1229]

As a home intruder this definitely helps! Thank you guys!

[@jorgetrueba85_2]

That's a problem

[@VVayVVard]

lmao

[@ridingtailboard3704]

Great training, I had also seen a training video where the same door was used in a Forcible Entry video where they plung cut the door and used a T-Square thru the plunge cut and activated the crash bar. I think that method could also be used in this situation and minimize the work/damage to door.

[@larryrwendelljr4465]

Thank you for presenting this, great study of how you guy's get the job done so quickly, stay safe!

[@bhamlet7970]

If only we'd had a couple folks like this in Uvalde.

[@Derekva40]

Strong work brothers great visualization from the inside too!

[@andrewgraham6336]

The purpose of this video is to show people how firefighters train to open a locked door with a drop bar. Sure there are other things they could do but this is a fairly basic technique. This video isn't meant to show criminals how to break into a house. If they didn't do this training and found themselves at the backside of a building with an axe and a crowbar they would still know how to take the door down without wasting the time to walk back to the truck to find a saw that would have to plugged into an electrical conduit or filled with a gasoline and oil combination.

[@TequilaDave]

Always have respect for the Fire Brigade. To all firefighters out there reading this, keep up the great work 👍

[@joepedophile5528]

Cool! Now I know how to break into commercial buildings with a two man crew in less than 90 seconds. Thanks Mr. Fireman!! 👍

[@jamesvogel3499]

That was very well done. I found this video a great refresher.

[@Fenixx117]

What is the difference between cops and firefighters? They both wanted to be firefighters

[@literalantifaterrorist4673]

Fenixx117 ayy lmao

[@straycat62]

Dumb

[@ww2fan18]

well two of you can't take a joke lol.

[@slickeddie0333]

One Carries a Glock one carries a axe

[@realUlfricStormcloak]

The question would be: What do they have in common? Fail joke is fale.

[@IRONSandLADDERS]

Dave, I have not had luck with shearing 3/8 carriage bolt heads off. I have tried dozens of times and not even come close. I have been able to shear 1/4 inch carriage bolts, but very few drop bars are mounted with such a small bolt.

[@Moose_338]

Those belts are great! I bet they give good back support too kinda like a work out belt!

[@1painter4hire]

Great Training Video !! Put together perfectly !!!

[@seth56guitar]

Im an EMT and almost done with Medic school. I really enjoy EMS and wasnt interested in Fire but this might have changed my mind.

[@MCMinerHQ]

what if you just cut the hinges?

[@rws9018ify]

You still will have the drop bar

[@sminthian]

If you completely destroy the door, it will then be your responsibility to replace it.

[@Bradley_UA]

@@sminthian yeah, but only after the builung burns down or whatever was the emergency.

[@sameutsler945]

sminthian so since they are spraying water on the building do they repair water damage and all that other damage from the fire and structural damage

[@1234lavaking]

Sam Eutsler you very rarely want to completely destroy a door, especially if the building is on fire. If you take the whole door off, it removes your ability to control your ventilation

[@TheorigianalVH1]

Have you had any luck with shearing or chiseling the bolt heads off to release the drop bar?

[@colonelfire6404]

A great technique for FE with a drop bar.

[@robertwilliams5015]

That's a lottttttttt of energy being exerted, especially considering that the real work may be on the other side of the door.

[@joemilton7552]

what do you suggest?

[@robertwilliams5015]

@@joemilton7552 A hydraulic tool, a gas or electric powered tool.

[@joemilton7552]

@@robertwilliams5015 yeah that would be a lot easier, but it's good to know how to do it with the way they show, since sometimes that could be the only option

[@robertwilliams5015]

@@joemilton7552 I get that sentiment but honestly I can't imagine that a halligan and an axe would ever be an only option for any municipal fire department. Personally (and I know my opinion isn't popular) but I think a halligan is a rather antiquated tool. Even with the best training and the most proficient firefighter I just don't think you get enough bang for the buck, at least not in an emergency.

[@joemilton7552]

@@robertwilliams5015 There are many small departments all over the world that don't necessarily have power equipment, should they also not carry a Halligan? What would be a better bang for the buck for a small department with no funding? What would you suggest when the saw fails to start, or when the grinding disk on your only saw bucks, hits the door frame, and breaks apart while the fire rages inside? Not saying this method should be your first option, but I would definitely want it as an option.

[@Derekva40]

Best one yet.. Thank you brothers

[@jinxjones5497]

_after you've tried the initial locking mechanism then you could slip something between the door jamb and the door to simply pull the bar up over its seat to gain quicker entry. You don't need a sport picker to tell you time=lives_

[@smokeater435]

Great video. Keep em coming. Be safe

[@paulwilliamson6660]

Fantastic video. Thank you for your work.

[@AlmostaFlipinSkater]

Firefighters are so badass.

[@JB91710]

You should see carpenters! They can actually Build things. You take your demo saw and cut any latches or dead bolts or the hinges or cut a square hole in the lower part of the door for water access onto burning material. If there isn't any, you don't need to get in. If there might be victims inside, cut the hole bigger. It's going to be faster than this.

[@Powerbandm]

JB91710 lots of firefighters can build things too

[@Cacowninja]

What if the brackets to the bar are mounted on the door frame or wall rather than the door?

[@TheorigianalVH1]

Thanks for the feedback... good stuff.

[@jddr.jkindle9708]

Very well done, great teamwork.

[@hitower1977]

Wow...Great Work! I have a much better appreciation for the physical training and subsequent excellent shape these firefighters are in...I guess it's not only for the calendar! LOL

[@sonicx059]

You guys continue to be awesome...

[@tesseract6530]

I'm actually watching this from a security perspective. I realize that this is at odds with your goal as Firemen that need to enter a building... but for the sake of security how much would a heavier gauge steel strip (on the outside of the door) reinforcing the area where the drop bar carriage bolts are *plus* a few pairs of extra carriage bolts securing this plate impede your efforts? At a glance it wouldn't be obvious which carriage bolts actually hold the drop bar supports, and they would also hold the reinforcement in place. Also it would be much more difficult to pierce the door with the halligan tool.. I'd be interested in your thoughts!

[@kellytedder7768]

so what about on a door like mine? i have a solid metal fire door. i have two drop bars also steel that drop into place between center and top and between center and bottom. BUT the mounts to hold it are welded on the inside. so from the outside you cant tell where it is. and the drop bars drop in place and then have giant pins that go at the outside of the bars, theres eyelets. as well as eyelets mounted the the wall. then theres two more secure points where just the big bolts drop in securing door to inside wall. and on the outside theres a 2 foot plate so you cant pry anywhere near the knob/deadbolt areas. (keep in mind i know with 100% confidence, if the fire department needs to get in, they will. im just curious about how..? btw what might seem as overkill. its a machine shop with very expensive equipment tools and electronics. some cutting bits alone are multiple thousands. and we have had a lot of break-ins in our complex. they hit our door trying when we first moved in. it was the hollow metal door, with just the two bolt things on the inside and plate covering bolt area. the plate was slightly pulled out. and top and bottom of door was pryed about an inch. now these guys would not have mad any more progress that time. but scared me enough to take major precautions. our roll up door also has anti ramraid bars and a few other secured points just in case. hell even if they started. id get the notification. and be there as they are breaching with police. slowing someone down enough is sometimes all it takes

[@hairy-dairyman]

Simple but time consuming. we'll start on the wall next to the door. the first team keep working on the door. second will either cut their way if its wood/ sheet metal, or break our way in with hammers. only have seen it done once though. too about 4 min to get through a double brick wall

[@hairy-dairyman]

@Semper Fi in a concert wall you'd have a good point

[@Peterowsky]

On one hand, amazing that firefighters can get that, on the other hand, terrifying that they need to take that long, but that goes to show the price of safety vs intruders vs safety from internal elements and the balance between one and the other, in some unfortunate cases including ill advised police forces and destruction of property (and let's not kid ourselves, there will be no police officer patrolling one such door until it gets repaired after they bust it warrant or not, and greater luck getting them to pay for the repairs). BTW, amazing work and demonstration on how emergency crews can get stuff done.

[@ironmatic1]

Well this is why “Knox boxes” are required by most city fire codes to be mounted on the front of the building so firemen can gain access to the whole structure instead of breaking doors.

[@podsmpsg1]

Is that a halligan bar?

[@Thomasnmi]

Yes

[@podsmpsg1]

@@Thomasnmi thanks.

[@aserta]

For whatever reason, i feel that first i'd check if i can't simply walk through the wall with NA style of buildings. Here in EU, doors can take a lot more clogging to get open. That is not to detract from the efficient work presented here, quick and easy.

[@FFPM371]

Great video!

[@livinitinfl7857]

Adz to shear the bolt heads. Often allow the bolts to drop away from the weight of the drop bar and angle iron/steel...

[@acidnynex]

What do you do if they've thrown those bolts through a half inch steel plate on both sides?

[@benrackl9762]

Where di you get those truck belts made?

[@davidhoekje7842]

Impressive. Good teamwork.

[@khanhtran2806]

I would like to ask for information on the project fire home

[@marko.rankovic]

I'm wondering if you could insert a very thin steel bar through the gap which you would use to knock off the drop bar?

[@andrewrodgers1371]

To show the different rankings, like FF and engineer and captain wear the same helmet but chief usually wears a white helmet the only way to know the different from a FF , Engineer or a captain is by the pins of their uniform or the markings on their helmet

[@jmullentech]

Yeah, it varies from dept to dept. Ours is black for juniors, yellow FFs, red for officers and white for asst chief and chief. Go one district over in any direction and it's different haha

[@adamsantiago4541]

Andrew Rodgers Ours is similar to John's. Except its Black for Engineer, the rest is the same.

[@lenny_bam5599]

Great vid. Keep up the good work!

[@bklynff55]

you could also cut out a triangle under the bolts with the forcible entry saw to stick your arm in and push the bar up. Then easily force the outward door conventionally with the adz. I'd be curious to see what the time difference would be.

[@jordansamson6071]

Great video guys, thanks for sharing

[@Chungustav]

Angle grinder faster to shear off those bolts?

[@xxbryan715xx]

This might sound like a silly question but why do you guys wear different helmets than the rest of CSFD?

[@IRONSandLADDERS]

Bryan715, Only because this was filmed off duty. We wear the same thing as everyone else on shift.

[@raystinsky]

I spoke this question aloud, and it did sound exceptionally silly.

[@jackvphoenix8493]

Lynch should wear eye protection.

[@brothersofthebackrow]

I want more of this type of training

[@el57detejas]

Is that tool sales to the public

[@artfullgaming]

They didn't try before they pry

[@xerotolerant]

Do you mean check to see if the door is locked or not? Lol i didn't think of that but yeah. I guess it must have slipped them because they set up the demonstration and knew the status of the door for a fact. But I guess they took it for granted that the viewer would try first.

[@florh]

question, why don't you use your tool on the hinges? aren't they the weakest points on a door? the lock is a thick piece of metal, the hinges just have a couple of thin screws in it.

[@monicaesquivel6073]

You're not always gonna have the hinges on the outside. Sometimes they'll be on the inside or one one side (literally between the door and the wall) this is for "training " excercises.

[@florh]

@@monicaesquivel6073 i know, that's why "never mind" message below...

[@theonlydean]

On an outward swinging door, would it not sometimes be quicker to take out the hinge pins?

[@stevenseagal4987]

Ill keep this in mind for the apocalypse.

[@boredomfalls5403]

I think that if we hit a panic bar, or drop bar without expecting it, (some drop bars are mounted on the wall surrounding the door so as to minimize visibility for potential intruders) the saw would kick back potentially breaking a hand or worse. Or it could cause the blade to start warping, and if it warps too much cuz of the sudden change in thickness and potentially denser metal, cause the blade to break.

[@gregbrady8454]

Yea but what if I have like 6 of those bars on my metal doors? I have plenty of time of escape or get rid of "Stuff" and I have the noise to help wake me up like a private alarm.

[@Lem0nsquid]

well placed strikes

[@kenxiong6830]

Very informative. Thank you

[@cybermatrix13]

Very good training

[@1badcisco]

Great video guys. Interesting, because you only used basic tools, not powered equipment, which probably would have made entry faster. But you may not have power on hand in all situations I guess. Moreover, it helped highlight security door faults. Oh, and pretty sure LiliLee meant perpetrate, but in any case crims are not going to gain entry using these methods, they will just bust down an easy door, so lock up well.

[@tacticalgamer7777]

great video guys your really cool. what's that tool called?

[@ninjabot567]

Haligan breaching tool!

[@tacticalgamer7777]

thanks sam 😊

[@StefanBacon]

So if I want to die in a fire, I need to get longer drop bar mounts to position the 2*4 horizontally?

[@freefiresims2449]

For learning sake, what would the next step have been if the door wasn’t able to be forced when it did? Do the same technique on the other carriage bolts? Also, what are your feelings on shaving off the bolt heads with a K12?

[@theotherside931]

How much does this door costs?

[@dakotaschuh2547]

Lila lee are you a fire fighter? I am guessing not because if you were you would know why firefighters make these videos. To help other fire fighters learn the correct way to do it. I used KZbin to learn tactics for fire fighting before I had all of my training. So to answer your question yes fire fighters do know how to do this, but a new trainee may not. So don't hate on something you don't understand yourself.

[@marissaglen875]

You can do this or do a here's Johnny and break in like that

[@ron-yv4jx]

You guys are in fact BAD ASS!!

[@fnordcinco]

I like that the camera person is also in full firefighter gear.

[@donovanhoggan2309]

Mad respect.

[@1234lavaking]

Man you have to love truckies 😃 those guys are beasts

[@kyles3540]

Great video! Keep it up!

[@machomanrandesavage9155]

Maybe I'm dumb, but this whole time I'm thinking they should just Dremel the bolts off and those drop bars will just fall right off... is that slower? Am I overestimating what a Dremel can cut?

[@jeffcivjeep7]

Beta bitches own dremels. Men own angle grinders and saws.

[@Engineer9736]

6 vikings and a treelog works also

[@wiktoriapaluch9852]

To nie odzywaj

[@jenrick4804]

This is to demonstrate overcoming the locking devices with only irons. If you're bringing power tools, you're gonna bring something a lot more effective then a Dremel.

[@WojciechP915]

Yes. Dremels are for model making, not demolition. They are delicate, fragile tools. A cordless angle grinder would work, but then you have batteries to maintain and the tool might well melt around a fire.

[@fire_fux]

How much do y'all spend in metal doors annually?

[@yourhandlehere1]

I'm thinking a handy dandy slipover cheater bar to double the length of that handle would be handy and dandy.

[@jaybee6318]

Whaaaaaaatt? Hose draggers actually doing work?

[@291xMac]

Impressive! Great truck company.

[@tkean85]

Isle x

[@JuanGomez-mv1qx]

wow I've never seen firefighters in action pretty cool

[@Zachsucks]

Wouldn’t you want the door at your back if it’s outward swinging , just Incase there would be a back draft so you get thrown forwards. Also your axe man would be safer behind you after he’s done hammering your ads side in. Just thinking ventilation wise , you don’t really know what’s in the other side of the door, but that’s what your 360 is for.

[@lotfihabib2132]

I'm a thief and I'm learning , thanks

[@StefanBacon]

:D

[@WojciechP915]

You will be a very noisy thief. And thats before you have to drive a big red truck with sirens.

[@travisbrock566]

Too bad you need a friend to perform this entry. back to the drawing board eh! ;)

[@jabielcabana9425]

*door was unlocked*

[@speedbuggy16v]

LOL, good luck sneaking around all nonchalant with a halligan and a friend with an axe!

[@wolfenstien13]

Has there ever been a time you drove a hook through the door and hitched it to a truck? That'd make quick work out of any door.

[@jonlee5642]

I wonder what PD would do? Seems like nothing can stop a fire fighter getting thru a door