Double Door Forcible Entry w/ Double Drop Bars - IRONS and LADDERS LLC

Irons and Ladders video training series, this video covers conventional irons work and an irons/saw combo evolution taking on double doors that have low and high drop bars. This is a very common way to fortify double doors and if it's the backside of your commercial occupancy, you have no choice other then to be successful getting in. We have numerous different ways we can defeat this type of setup. Watch for more videos to show several other options to overcome similar doors. www.ironsandladders.com

[@DAngeloDino]

This video is timeless. Thank you for showing the entire process with the stumbling that naturally occurs in the real world. Excellent instruction and insight.

[@alexrowland]

@9:08 I clinched a little when he put his fingers so close to the moving blade to move the guard back. You guys are pros! It's awesome to see how much practice goes into breaching a door when every second counts!

[@mopbrothers]

I love doors. They're like people. They come in all shapes and sizes.

[@firedawg190]

I SEE OTHERS COMMENTS ON WHY DIDNT YOU ? OR COULDNT YOU DO THIS INSTEAD ? KZbin EXPERTS ? SORRY 22 YEARS ON THE JOB AND LEARNED SOMTHING NEW TODAY. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING BROTHER

[@Carter-dv4hz]

22 years on the job... WHY DIDNT YOU learn this earlier?

[@Carter-dv4hz]

Good advice about the secondary door. Ladies and gentlemen do not forget, they are usually secured at the bottom with a drop spike. 7:28 You take the words out of my mouth every time.

[@Engineer9736]

Usually people learn that at age 8

[@dwarfkingman]

Jesus these guys do nice work. Fucking poetry in motion. Not only are they individually sound, their teamwork is impeccable. BRAVO!

[@pvxmovies9611]

this encouraged me to continue my breakage into shops to steal jewelry. now I am worth 990000 dollars. thank you

[@TracerPhill]

Good stuff guys. Keep passing on knowlege. Stay smart! Thanks for sharing.

[@FailureToReport]

This has to be the most interesting channel I've come across in a long time!

[@firedawg190]

AWESOME, LOVE THE OTHER SIDE CAMERA VIEW, GREAT WORK, NICE REFRESHER WITH A TWIST

[@wesrobinson7366]

This is awesome instruction. I've been using a Strong Arm and the K12 and get in super fast to doors like this. Pry with Strong Arm and hit the wood or plunge with the K12.

[@xxbryan715xx]

Great to see another video from you gentleman. I just put in my application at CSFD so I hope to be working with you guys in a few years.

[@xxbryan715xx]

This video really demonstrates the tools an irons team may need to carry on a commercial structure fire. Your irons will be good for most residential areas but commercial you and the officer better be considering grabbing K12's, key tools, larger hooks, rabbit tools etc... The building should dictate your tool selection. Not habit

[@BeanDar]

Agreed.

[@bnadit1949]

Yes, We have several commercial buildings around here that are high security (they deal with chemicals and such that are worth thousands per ounce) In those buildings the Irons will not get you through all the way, especially if you have to find a different escape route from the way you came in. Most people won't want to carry the extra 20-30lbs of saw, but that isn't an excuse when they ask why you couldn't get to the seat of the fire or, god forbid, if you get stuck inside and can't self extricate. Grab what you will need, not what you want. That being said pick your weapons carefully, you can't take everything.

[@joefran619]

This takes physical fitness here! great job

[@dmbadcat]

These guys are badasses

[@JM-yp8du]

This is some really cool stuff! Thanks for sharing this, and thank you guys for everything you do!

[@DF-si7xx]

I'm not sure why you don't keep your forcible entry techniques videos private for the firefighters or security professionals. You are teaching all the thieves how to break in record time thank you for your free training, very responsible on your part.

[@MultiPureEnergy]

I realize it does look that way, but security is all about making yourself a hard target. Criminals are, as a rule, motivated by desires. Usually by money. These methods make a lot of noise and attract attention, and require skilled teamwork by people in good physical condition. Criminals would rather use a saw to cut the bottom half of the door off and walk through the bottom half. Even more so, they’re likely to drive a vehicle through a glass storefront. Company I work for has seen both of the latter, but never the coordinated attack in the video.

[@lifelearner84]

Great video, thanks for sharing, and keep up the good work!

[@izonman848]

I don't want to cause an uproar but I just had to comment. I'm a retired Locksmith of 30 yrs. I don't claim to know all the answers but first of all I don't agree with showing all the thieves out there how to break in . But since we are sharing with all the criminals out there , here is a faster and cleaner way without destroying the door. Drill the cylinder out with cordless drill , then drill 1/2 inch hole in center of door , Use a scope to see what the set up is on the inside. You can always cut larger hole to reach your hand in or make a tool that will release the drop bars. Patch the door with a plate .It will work because I have done it. Of course if you don't care about the door then by all means go for it .

[@jakedee4117]

I'm sure that's all very true but these guys are firefighters saving property and maybe saving lives too. They aren't burglars (who usually use stealth) or locksmiths like yourself who have plenty of time to do delicate fine work. They have to get heavy equipment into smokey hot buildings and they need to do it quickly. It's not James Bond 007 or Mission Impossible time, minutes or even seconds count.

[@angellawless7413]

izonman Respectfully Sir, we don’t walk around with cordless drills and scopes. These prying tool are versatile tools of our trade.

[@faskils]

Angel Lawless, respectively sir I disagree. Izonman is right. 15 years in Locksmithing myself. It takes longer for me to open the doors because we have to preserve the door but if I don't care about preserving the door I would have used 2 drills with hole saws at the same time where the 2x4 are and opened it quicker at the fraction of the cost of that gas run cutter. Don't speak of others based on your little knowledge. We don't know best way to put out a fire but we tend to know better how to open the doors.

[@faskils]

If I used the cutter I would cut thru the active door where the 2x4 cross, between the left edge of the door and left of the carriage bolts since the cutter depth is deep enough that it can go through 1 3/4 of the door then cut the 2x4

[@experiment506]

I don't know if you still look at these videos, but I'm curious how you guys get the doors to train on and how often you can get them avaliable. Regular and frequent training is important, and I'm wondering what methods you use to get large quantities of material for training.

[@Carter-dv4hz]

Don't forget that exterior doors can be wedged, hooked, and yanked off with a truck.

[@tiktatttoe]

but if you had a saw to cut the hinges, couldnt you cut the bolt heads also.

[@IRONSandLADDERS]

Yes you could, but it still takes longer the. Cutting the bolts and forcing it. If you cut the hinge side you end up having to cut more bolts tone able to pry the door open. A well trained guy on the irons will pry that open from the jamb side long before a guy can cut three hinges. Look at it this way. The jamb side only has a single door knob to contend with once you cut the bolt heads. The hinge side has three hardened steel hinges to contend with after you cut the bolt heads. It will almost always take more time.

[@carhernandez19]

excelente video muchachos!

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[@davak72]

At 13:28, could it be that the halligan bar is what's keeping the drop bar from being knocked up and off? It seems like you could slightly release tension when hitting the drop bar to let it come up past the brackets.

[@crash1522]

David Novak the halligan puts friction on the draw bar, but it gives you more force swinging a tool to dislodge the bar since the doors are not pinching it. Without the halligan there's still force on the draw bar and you have to fight the doors that want to grip the tool.

[@davak72]

Ok, cool. I am seeing now that even when the halligan tension was released, the right side of the drop bar stayed up, supporting your point that there was still force on it.

[@sircampbell1249]

More Steel on doors.. Ear protection ?

[@howhow-rx6wj]

what about a punch type tool for the bolts to punch a hole around the bolts

[@culbyj3665]

Milwaukee Watching and taking Notes, for next extravagant tool build...

[@069er-schluesseldienstDe]

Nice

[@MyIronman8]

Once again what's poking on the outside oh look they're door hinges does kit the door grinder and cut the door hinges off. And the door will fall right off

[@nolandjohnson6742]

How else watching this bout to go into the academy

[@oliviasmulyan]

What saw is that

[@oldfartuk]

dont think grinder needed ... could just have slid up once had gap and dropped bar off

[@Carter-dv4hz]

Could you plunge cut through the door and bars with a chainsaw? Hard as hell on the chain but I imagine it would do it.

[@Firefuzz11]

Too high of a risk of damaging the saw or breaking a chain. It would also take a lot longer for the chainsaw to gouge into the metal to start cutting.

[@Carter-dv4hz]

@@Firefuzz11 @FireFuzz Have you tried it? The saws don't like it but I've cut through quite a few ten penny nails in my time and I'm pretty sure sheet metal will peel away like the lid on a can of soup.

[@Carter-dv4hz]

@@Firefuzz11 You are definitely right about it being difficult to start, the blade will be "skating" on the metal surface looking for a place to "bite" in. This can be remedied by giving the door a firm strike with an axe giving it a "V notch" (something for the chain to track into). From a material science standpoint it should work, the blade is hardened high speed steel and the door is galvanized cold/hot rolled, this means that the door is far more susceptible in terms of deformation. If I have to venture a guess id liken the cut to going through hardwood like walnut except much, much noisier.

[@Engineer9736]

Such grinder as used in the video is way safer. Such grinding disk would relatively slowly grind of a bit of limb that it would touch in an accident. A chainsaw is very aggressive once it touches a person in an accident. A chainsaw also has a way higher chance of experiencing kickback, flinging the saw at you.

[@brenryan1]

Can anybody tell me how I can see sparks through the door @ 12:06? 🤔

[@Carter-dv4hz]

Oooooo what about gaping and spreading with a jack-all? Maybe a technique to try.

[@Engineer9736]

Let's spread and gape it

[@MaxSafeheaD]

earplugs/defenders would be a good idea when using the grinder.

[@MaxSafeheaD]

MaxSafeheaD even if it's just during training

[@epic5945]

There’s no door or lock a Halligan can’t open.

[@MyIronman8]

Or better yet wrap a chain around the door handle the other to the truck and just drive off the truck

[@BD90..]

I just think of Zombies trying to break in

[@MyIronman8]

Just buy a portable plasma cutter

[@ericong6082]

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[@abby989]

Ffs...these videos are hilarious....as a former FF...and a door service technician...let me tell you... Use the hinge side always on a steel door... There is a max of 1/4 inch steel plate in the frame and inside the door The screws holding the hinges are 12 -24 machine screws...usually hardened stainless...they snap like a twig... Pop the screws and open the damn door Only time there would be an issue is if slide bolts are used on hinge side as well

[@IRONSandLADDERS]

you just showed how little you’ve done this on fire grounds or on real doors, and you don’t even realize why.

[@abby989]

Done many times.. and a lot easier than you think...as a door tech...I can 100% say which is easier...think about it..as a professional....would you trust your fire station buddy to wire your house if he said he could do it...or hire an electrician...hell if I had access to a spot to use id do a video and show you...

[@IRONSandLADDERS]

@@abby989 You clearly have done it as a door tech for service, not for a fire with drop bars. Which is the whole point of this very small clip. Your technique does nothing to address the drop bar. So to answer your question I would take an experianced fireman over a service tech. I don't disagree with your explanation of how door hinges are constructed, it doesn't address the problem that your still missing. Good talk.