Dropzle - Full Walkthrough (Celeste: Strawberry Jam)

[@Flembons]

“Pfft how hard could a red difficulty level even be? We’re just in the Beginner Lobby” - me, before spending two hours in this level

[@owenshirrell1150]

saw the chapter timestamps in your video while looking up playthroughs on KZbin and I am so sorry

[@Flembons]

@@owenshirrell1150 lol, it was a lot fun though!

[@hypenheimer]

I'm an Expert player now, and still needed to look this up for the berries

[@bruex2277]

i'm gonna be completely honest, i did a frame perfect in most of the later levels, and only looked up the solution for perpendicular i don't regret it, doing the jumps was so funny

[@cyberneticsquid]

I managed to do a perfect jump three times. First was actually an accident, I was just jumping roughly in the middle aiming for the spikes to reset.

[@azeTrom17]

Were they really frame perfect?! I can do them all on the first three tries, and I thought I was pretty bad at celeste precision. I did it accidentally twice when I first played, and that was just on the first five rooms

[@azeTrom17]

Just checked and yeah they're definitely pixel perfect, they just really don't feel like it lol I think it's the simplicity of the arrow spikes that makes it really easy to line them up

[@paradoxxikal7327]

Legit after the first dialogue ended I just jumped down the hole first try, and pretty much just did that for every level I could lmao

[@jakobs517]

they aren't even that hard, I once got 3 jumps in a row

[@sheepuff5999]

Thank freaking God Maddy didn't have any puzzle levels in the original game. It's a creative level but it completely isolates the game of Celeste from everything that makes it fun.

[@jonathangould189]

4:18 the red herring of getting the top right block to go up and left was so hilariously devious, with the small gap and arrow explicitly implying to do so. The fact that trying to do so left you with exactly 1 dash too few was just so perfect lol.

[@ArrowNought]

I was able to solve it by bringing the top right kevin up and left, I just didnt hit the bottom one, hit the coin, dashed up there, then got the berry after bringing the kevin up

[@piotrsawek3613]

Cool idea, cool execution, looks nice, feels nice, educational, makes you think, but i'd rather play celeste tbh.

[@MooseMoosesMeese]

apparently wallbounces line you up perfectly for a couple of strawberries

[@Will_-it3mh]

This map SHOULD NOT have been placed in the begineer lobby

[@CapybaraLord75]

Ikr

[@tear959]

No, I dont want another Kokodoko

[@vicorgaz]

YEAH I must say that I have passed this level by dying a lot trying to fall by myself

[@misscatbirdreal]

Yea the berries make it intermediate

[@JohnSearleFangirl]

the map shouldn't have been placed in the game it's garbage. I genuinely doubt that the creator or anyone who tested it have any critical thinking skills

[@twinheadedwendigo]

bro the puzzle construction here is so crazy good. incredible job

[@sniffleyomi]

welcome to yet ANOTEHR episode on "how the fuck was i supposed ot know that?"

[@fischboy8704]

I disagree heavily with the inclusion of this level in the beginner lobby. However, it was a really well-designed puzzle. The mechanics are very clearly given to the player, and it lives for the ah-ha! moment when everything just lines up into place (or when you hit the pixel-perfect jump and cheese the whole thing out, like I ended up doing with the heartside room). If there's one thing I'd change, it's that I'd add a little landing area in between the gap at the bottom and the next screen. Sometimes I'd just go for the jump to screw around and would actually hit it, but couldn't go back to actually try to do it legit without restarting the menu or opening the debug map

[@dallama2616]

pretty sure the lobby its placed in depends on tech used, since this uses only beginner tech it's in the beginner lobby

[@mythicmysticmoon]

Yeah, the Spring Collab had the same issue with Crystal Enigma being in the beginner lobby. Imo, it shouldn't Just be tech that decides where a level is placed. Both this map and Crystal Enigma should've at least been in Intermediate.

[@Androix77]

The maps are arranged depending on the celeste skill required to pass it. For this map you don't need to be good at celeste, but you need to be good at solving puzzles. A person who first time in his life came to this game will be able to pass this level quickly enough. Therefore I think this level is fairly placed in the begginer lobby.

[@Mr_toe_]

Learned how to do pixel perfect jumps to skip most of the puzzles lol

[@KildalSC]

Really cool level, but at the same time not hoping for more harder versions of these in the harder lobbies. Was the only level I had to come back to (twice) because I was stuck. Couldn't figure out the first "Ferry" one. Sadly having this video in the background I was too drained to give "Perpendicular" a real try and looked at the sollution. The collab has been amazing for me so far. I only did one casual playthrough at release (before farewell came out) and a couple b-sides i believe. I am now at flag 10 in the level unlocked by getting all the blue hearts in the beginner lobby. Took me 1h 20m just to get there, so need a break. I'm close to 13 hours total, but I think you guys nailed the difficulty level for the beginner lobby. Hopefully I'll be able to enjoy the other lobbies as well.

[@whitemystery17]

Super glad I solved this map before ruining it by looking up a solution. One of the best puzzle maps out there! Having my brother play alongside me also helped because we were able to bounce ideas off each other on tricky rooms. 10/10

[@val2934]

1:57 I totally cheesed my way to the upper Alcove room, since I didn’t thought about the Kevin boost from the Correlation room lmao

[@jonahreigle7453]

Same exactly 😂

[@ziwuri]

What an awesome concept, and it was really well executed as well! I think a lot of people who played this and ended up complaining about it and calling it terrible conflated "this is a bad map" with "I don't personally enjoy puzzle maps". I'm usually not the biggest fan of puzzle games/maps and I cheesed some of the screens in this map, but I can still recognize that it's objectively really well-designed.

[@Lanselot2069]

amazing map which really transforms how you look at celeste. the silver strawberry was unironically the single worst experience i've ever had playing celeste

[@stanislawwitkowicz918]

Same for me with the silver strawberry. You'd think it's easy, because there is so little dynamism, but you would be WRONG.

[@katie-ampersand]

gonna be honest, i just did the frame perfect jumps whenever it was possible to skip the puzzle. i had more fun doing that tan solving the, like, three puzzles i was forced to actually do i know it's just me, but the puzzle platforming part of celeste is my least favorite, and these are literally puzzles. this map and i were made to hate each other.

[@gigiobigio0002]

god just how much i love puzzles (kill me)

[@fran070_3]

Cant wait for GM puzzle level 💀

[@noogatok]

kokodoko berry 3:

[@JenukiDa]

i hate puzzles i just flat out decided to watch this walkthrough as i played. my baby brain is for platforming not problem solving

[@nyuh]

wow this makes celeste feel more like a puzzle platformer than the original cool !!

[@SuperDZ555]

i was stuck on perpendicular for a while so instead of taking a break and coming back to it later, i figured out visual cues on where to stand so i could slip through the pixel perfect gaps and get all the 6 key things

[@grimmfokko3877]

The level was really fun, I loved it a lot, but the only problem was that I think Perpendicular was so hard and confusing to me. Aside from that though, everything else felt nice and satisfying!

[@queerplatonicsolid]

i know i'm v late to the convo but i really enjoyed this level, and appreciate any celeste mod that broadens our idea of what we can use the celeste engine for, ty for making this!

[@naqibam]

Thanks for making this map! Took me 2 hours to finish everything with 4 berries out of 5 but it was nice to have a break from the typical maps.

[@pedrocrb]

Now release the real walktrough where you collect the silver and every berry by falling through the holes setupless

[@owenshirrell1150]

yeah here’s the official one kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6urfouig7lgedE

[@aaronking2020]

Still easier than Perpendicular intended

[@morkypep50]

Really well designed level, but it should not have been included in the beginner lobby. I understand that it only uses beginner tech, and that it is hard to define how difficult a puzzle is, but this is clearly harder than any other beginner map by a huge margin. The way I look at it, is you want the beginner lobby to be the one that new players/casuals engage with and be able to complete. This level and to a lesser extent the other puzzle level, are going to be HUGE roadblocks for newer players. They should have been placed into int or advanced regardless of tech used IMO. Beginner puzzle levels should be relatively simple and easy to figure out. This is my minor criticism of an otherwise amazing level and an otherwise amazing collab!

[@morkypep50]

Look at the room daedalus. So you can hold the side of the switch gate in the exact same position as the solution, but because you are holding it from the other side your pixels don't perfectly line up. So you are expecting a newer player to understand that? I'm an expert player and I didn't know that lol. I ruled out putting the kevin there because falling from the switch gate didn't line up. I don't see how a new player could logic that out without seeing the solution or trial and error. I'm not even going to get into Perpendicular, and how that room is so far beyond what a newer player could figure out because I think the room speaks for itself. In the room Breadth, I didn't realize that you could dash as many times in the air as you wanted. I understood the limited number of dashes but I still thought normal Celeste logic applied. I struggled until I cheated by wavedashing. But I guess it wasn't actually cheating. Anyways, cool level. Bad placement.

[@adammfontenot]

​@@morkypep50 re daedalus: There's no magic happening here. It's the exact same pixel alignment. If you hold it on the right, you're off to the right of the target, because Madeline has non-zero width. If you hold it on the left she aligns perfectly. Nothing too surprising about this although I admit it took a long while before it occurred to me. I agree with you though that the difficulty curve is a bit broken. I understand the "tech" gating, but if you can beat "red" difficulty under beginner, you have *way* more skill than you need to have mastered intermediate tech. I can't imagine there are very many players of SJ that haven't played at least Farewell and the B-sides.

[@Fontainianwaters]

It is basically like chillout mountain from the spring collab. A map with no tech but way too hard for the lobby. (Seriously, chillout mountain belongs in intermediate)

[@Ghostmare_says_merry_christmas]

I honestly did more frame perfects than the actual levels

[@eleven5515]

this is torturous but well made and satisfying to solve. only pixel perfected twice when trying to reset on the spikes

[@GlloomMusic]

when i launch celeste, i want to play celeste

[@DJruslan4ic]

puzzle mps would be a lot more fun in celeste if they had an undo button somehow implemented

[@soloiini4392]

[THEO left wtf] Uhh, this one is clearly impossible.

[@vento3554]

tyvm, this is a very well designed map but i am also very stupid

[@Jinxyest]

top left Kevin right, drop down one, very tall kevin down. On the left collum jump up and collect that collum hit that kevin to the right then jump up, hit that kevin on that row right.then jump up and dash up. Hit that Kevin on that row to the right, then hit tall kevin up

[@arcinus]

I did the pixel perfect for literally all of them except the last one LMAO

[@hissingcattop]

This level was really fun!

[@shakewell42]

Perpendicular was such a fun room! Looking back on this, I may have gotten some alternate solutions to earlier puzzles...

[@Jinxyest]

short guy right, collect eye, short guy up, tall guy left, then right

[@grimer1746]

here to check the last room, i got a pixel perfect drop like second try while thinking about what i could be doing wrong and cheesed it

[@DavtheDartrix-723]

The only I have to complete in behinner and half of the levels I cheesed. Sorry for not playing the intended way

[@Neon_Delta]

Interesting how the final room before the heart has multiple solutions

[@totalJam]

i am NOT figuring out all that

[@adammfontenot]

The only one of these that didn't occur to me was timing the Kevin block to hit the descending key block in Correlation. I managed to get the berry in the room because I figured out the momentum thing from the previous room. With that you can just align the Kevin with the key block at the bottom. I think this is the only place in the level where you have to precisely time a Kevin like that. I ended up "cheating" my way into Alcove by timing an up dash instead.

[@benji-menji]

How the hell do you get to the secret room in Correlation? I have been there way to long. (Edit: that is super clever and yet so painful.)

[@MatheusAugustoGames]

I noticed that sometimes, you can solve the puzzles by doing a wallbounce on a wall 3 blocks away from a pixel-perfect gap. Was this considered when designing the puzzles, or is it cheese?

[@kirbyydd_]

Owen, what more do you want from us, creator of our suffering?

[@MB-bl4nl]

This made me realize I’m bad at puzzles

[@XxX_Spunchbob_Gamer_XxX]

i legit did most of the levels with a frame perfect jump since doing it the propper way was too hardwork for my brain to do and process i do not agree this being in the begginer lobby

[@SmashmanVideos]

Is there anything in the glowing doorway at the top right of Correlation? I am trying to get up there but I am not sure that I can and the walkthrough doesn't show any way to get up there.

[@jacobpage8028]

You have no idea how long it took me to do deathless. You might think it would be easy, knowing the solutions. It wasn't. It was so janky, and I kept dying over and over again. The more I died, the more impossibly frustrated I got. It wasn't platforming that I could improve on, it was a stupid puzzle that I already knew the answers to. The more I died, the easier it was for me to make dumber mistakes. This map was hell, and should be treated as such.

[@lasermuoricrostatad1385]

that's exactly why I don't like this map. The puzzles may be cool but it is hell furstrating when you try to execute it but you die for some stupid reason or when you accidentally dash and need to redo everything. should've been more forgiving imo

[@moatija62]

i know it's been 11 months but i just played the mod for the first time and i absolutely despise this level, i used this video for solutions and it was still janky and just flat out miserable to play Worst map in the whole mod (so far, haven't played other lobbies)

[@tofufiish]

Owen, is this a full solution video for Dropzle, Owen's custom Celeste puzzle map for the Strawberry Jam Collab?

[@serdelek8]

I casually did 5 frame perfect drops with no setup here

[@g8mer2104]

farewell to my sanity

[@dorsal6612]

good level, but oh my god it is way too hard for the beginner lobby. I don't see any universe where I personally beat this without looking it up.

[@lamacedoine2a160]

thanks for the full playthrough lol

[@babagd]

ngl i couldnt be bothered with doing the puzzles so i just did all of the gaps and i completed it in 19 minutes

[@benji-menji]

Due to the lack of an undo button and the solution execution being really difficult, this is by far the worst experience of a level yet. The puzzles were great, but the platforming holds them back and makes it more frustrating than it needs to be. Though I will also say, some solutions were too cryptic. I had the right idea using the other screen to get to the third berry, but the means of doing so was much more hidden and made it very likely for my efforts to fall flat. Hopefully this feedback helps make better puzzle levels in the future. My suggestion is that for these puzzles, reel back on the platforming a little bit and use it to compliment the puzzles rather than make it a 2nd focus. When we know a solution to these more difficult puzzles, it makes us more upset when we can't finish the puzzle after we did everything we felt necessary to solve it. In normal Celeste, it is much easier to solve a room because what you need to do is clear as you play or observe it. The puzzle to solving rooms in base Celeste compliments the platforming so flipping it around should make this level feel much better.

[@insertenombre643]

The strawberries rooms are easier than the main rooms bruh

[@__archermaster__8790]

bro i got stuck on the 3rd room good map but i hate it

[@orsomethinlykethat]

for symmetry, i did a really stupid jump with my third dash to not hit the third kevin. lmao

[@toasterduds7184]

uh i dont like puzzle maps but it was really funny constantly making apparently "pixel perfect" jumps multiple times in a row, it feels like they arent pixel perfect but they probably are

[@Andreiblin]

How do you know room names?

[@owenshirrell1150]

a) they’re visible in debug b) it is my own map

[@aetergator7020]

i'm happy with my only cheesing deadelus that room was making me tilt :(

[@idk-nc3pg]

i skipped almost all of them. the pixel perfect jump is actually really easy

[@TrulyAustralian]

This is the worst level in the lobby. At least there's answers online. But please never cook again.

[@graveyardwyrm]

me when i’m not smart enough to figure out the puzzle gameplay myself but not skilled enough to do the pixel perfect drops 😔👋🏽

[@bryse0n]

why does a beginner map make you fall through pixel perfect gaps this is so hard

[@eycho8099]

this level was meant to be cheated lmao

[@buttonasas]

Dropzle has some of the best and some of the most boring puzzles in the whole of Celeste. I feel like you simply cut out half of the puzzles, it would've been a 5x better map.

[@brunorobles6970]

Thanks

[@Gerbert67]

Perpendicular is cruel as fuck because it's uncheeseable

[@whisperSSG8]

when frame perfect jumps are easier than your puzzle you shouldn't be making puzzles. took 5 minutes for me to do all frame perfect jumps available but 30 minutes just for 3 levels that force you to solve. genuinely harder than electrical engineering at uni.

[@powerav8508]

I thought "puzzles" were gm tech

[@Madelong]

owen shirrell

[@exotreus]

Made my blood boil. Who the hell made this

[@Jake2534]

You are a G

[@Syntoxine]

... the first room took me 40 minutes

[@Gamation108]

wtf owen... beginner map.. puzzle.. too hard..

[@xznorg2645]

This shouldn't be in celeste, but it's a fun design nonetheless

[@Will_-it3mh]

i hate this map

[@owenshirrell1150]

truly it is an honor to receive the same treatment as Cookie’s Crystal Enigma video

[@Will_-it3mh]

@@owenshirrell1150 did you also make that map? If so its not against you, it's just i rly dont like puzzle maps. I just find that even after i know the solution, executing is pretty finicky

[@owenshirrell1150]

@@Will_-it3mh I didn’t make Crystal Enigma, but playing it in SC was a huge inspiration for the design of this map! sorry to hear you had issues with the execution though, we tried to test pretty thoroughly for that. hope you enjoy the rest of the collab!

[@Will_-it3mh]

@@owenshirrell1150 thank you

[@gtr7988]

Underrated conversation❤

[@Rock_yeah]

I cheated and i dont care i HATE PUZZLES

[@mattb8075]

I actually hated this level so much, it felt like a waste of my time. But props for it being clever, other people have and will enjoy it.

[@homeyworkey]

terrible

[@Liokae]

fucking despise this level

[@jumbojoshbigfan]

same twin

[@dogjak]

I did this one in 15 minutes by falling through all the spike gaps lmfao

[@Regian]

same

[@JinGaster]

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