Are any cultures WRONG?

[@Darkeonable]

This kind of shows that these kids rarely get challenged on their ideals - such a simple rebuttal was enough to force them to realize their thought patterns to be flawed.

[@TailedFeature]

At least they moved, unlike in some of the discussions. :)

[@GeraldSmallbear]

I'm not sure they are flawed. The questions are poorly formed from a liberal bias. I like Peter but he is what he is, he doesn't stand outside of time and culture. Culture is simply a set of solutions to local problems. Chinese problems, Chinese solutions: prosperous society. Iraqi problems, Western solutions: failed state. That's the real world. Peter is wrong. Nice, decent, noble but wrong.

[@bobroy680]

It’s hard to have flawed thought patterns if you don’t think

[@garythomas4936]

No critical thinking.

[@nicholasjohnson778]

@@GeraldSmallbear"Culture is simply a set of solutions to local problems" Really? So only the set problems at hand determine the cultural path taken? There aren't a multitude of diverging paths that can arise out of the same set of challenges? Belief systems, tribal loyalties, the death of one leader and the rise of another, none of these things influence outcomes between cultures even if the starting challenges were hypothetically identical? I really don't mean to be insulting, but I can't imagine how you could be correct about your claim. Mao didn't necessarily need to murder and starve millions of people and the people didn't necessarily need to go along with it... yes, the example is extreme... but to claim that every culture given the same starting point would react, mold itself, or emerge identically is a wild claim. You really think that culture accumulates nothing from decades and centuries past... when, at present, there is no trace of the "local problems" or any other factor that can be traced to current cultural behavior? Maybe I'm looking at your comment through the wrong lens though... but I don't understand why you would object to the question in this video... after all, everyone is given an opportunity to explain their reasoning.

[@ac27934]

It's weird to hear them say that if the world changes sufficiently for the better then they will no longer judge other cultures. What will keep positive change from regressing if people stop exercising judgment?

[@gangadin2873]

If my judgement of other cultures is positive over time, then I will no longer judge other cultures. Wait.. how would I know it IS positive unless I judge it first?

[@nigelbardoe3771]

Also, just because they agree if they change, doesn't mean you aren't still judging either. They just judged them acceptable now.

[@ncorp2668]

They've put a ridiculous amount of weight on the idea "thou shall not judge". I mean, if you can't even agree to judging WWII Germ-mani, then I'm not sure what moral or logical value they think they're upholding.

[@EuropeDominate]

@@ncorp2668 the girl was right about Germany, she didn't know the facts

[@ncorp2668]

@@EuropeDominate How was she right?

[@kick01iv3r]

I think the first topic of discussion should be "is the concept of judging anything okay?" Once the idea of judging can be seen as not only acceptable buy necessary to live... which it obviously is... then the concept of judging cultures becomes completely normal. I feel like people have a visceral reaction to the term "judging" and that's why everyone was on agree since it was paired with a positive term of "culture".

[@Blue_Tempest6]

I think this is a pretty good example of how people take their stance based on surface level emotional thinking rather than delving deeper into the reasons and meanings. We really need to promote critical thinking in our education.

[@khaderlander2429]

G.K. Chesterton's essay "The Fence" presents a metaphorical exploration of the value of tradition, established structures, and the need for careful consideration before dismantling them. Here's a step-by-step guide to illustrate his thoughts and understanding: 1. The Fence as Tradition and Established Structure: - Chesterton presents the fence as a symbol of tradition, an established structure, or an existing institution in society. - The fence represents something that has been in place for some time, and its purpose may not be immediately evident to those who encounter it. 2. The Initial Reaction: - When people encounter the fence, they may not understand its purpose or find a reason for its existence. - They might question why the fence is there and whether it serves any practical or meaningful function. 3. The Importance of the Unknown: - Chesterton argues that not knowing the immediate reason for the fence's existence is not a sufficient justification for tearing it down or dismissing its significance. - The unknown aspect of the fence's purpose should lead to curiosity and investigation, rather than rash judgment or disregard. 4. The Wisdom of Tradition: - The fence represents the accumulated wisdom of tradition, passed down through generations, which may have valid reasons behind its existence. - Chesterton cautions against dismissing established structures merely because their purpose is not immediately apparent. 5. The Role of Time and Experience: - Over time, the fence may have served practical functions, met the needs of a particular context, or held symbolic significance that has been lost over generations. - The passage of time and changing circumstances may obscure the original reasons behind the fence's construction. 6. The Danger of Destruction: - Chesterton warns against hastily dismantling the fence without fully understanding its historical context, cultural significance, and potential consequences. - The destruction of tradition and established structures can lead to unintended negative outcomes and loss of valuable heritage. 7. The Need for Prudent Evaluation: - Chesterton advocates for a thoughtful and prudent approach to evaluating the purpose and value of tradition and established structures. - This includes considering historical context, consulting experts, and appreciating the wisdom of the past. 8. Examples of the Fence: - The fence could represent various aspects of society, such as customs, institutions, cultural practices, or even longstanding beliefs. - For example, in political systems, democratic processes, or historical monuments, the reasons behind their establishment may not be immediately evident to modern observers. By using the metaphor of the fence, Chesterton encourages readers to appreciate the value of tradition, the importance of understanding historical context, and the need for prudent evaluation before making sweeping changes or dismissing established structures. The essay emphasizes the humility of acknowledging the limits of our knowledge and the wisdom of learning from the past.

[@SplicedSerpents]

You should ask something like "would the world be a better or worse place of certain cultures were more widespread?"

[@shadbakht]

We're not judging the people, we're talking about judging the culture itself and its values. The people are participants in that culture.

[@ncorp2668]

But there's nothing wrong with judgment about people, cultures, ideas, practices...etc.

[@memesneverdie3826]

But culture is necessarily indicative of the people and cant exist without individuals creating said culture. "Culture" isnt some living, all powerful, all influencing entity that would persist if all of its people poofed out of existence. The question, on its face, is obviously true; obviously some cultures are better than others at least in some aspects, but the question gets complicated because its impossible to separate a culture from the individuals.

[@shadbakht]

@@memesneverdie3826 Ya you can disagree with peoples views and values, but it doesn't mean you value their worth as a person or human being.

[@staatsanwaltschaftemskirch4709]

I guess their misconception is that „judging“ doesn’t necessarily mean negative. It just puts things in comparison with each other

[@ncorp2668]

But if the judgements were acknowledging negative things, that's ok, too. That's needed for critical thinking.

[@coreyslater2801]

yeah thr question needs tweaking

[@fenggula7890]

Some cultures are inferior. At the same time, no culture is perfect. Simple facts.

[@MustardSkaven]

Inferior and superior depend on what you value. It's subjective. There can be a culture that is highly religious but doesn't have as much freedom as a very secular culture yet they can still consider themselves superior since their religion is valued far greater than their personal freedom.

[@gangadin2873]

@@MustardSkaven Unfortunate thing is they lie about their religion despite valuing it above personal freedom. If your religion is so obviously correct, why lie to hide it's reality?

[@MustardSkaven]

@@gangadin2873 To get more followers.

[@fenggula7890]

@@MustardSkaven No, it is not subjective. Value can be measured by several factors: Life expectancy, happiness, financial stability, etc. Some cultures are destructive due to the beliefs that their followers hold / lifestyle that they choose. A culture that arbitrarily deprives rights to certain members of their communities typically leads to inefficiency, violence, poverty, etc. Look at the Middle East or parts of Africa. If cultures were all subjectively rated, explain the mass migration to Western countries.

[@MustardSkaven]

@@fenggula7890 Value can only be measured by what the people value, which is subjective. You valuing life expectancy, ect. is YOUR subjective perspective and opinion.

[@NormMarquardson]

Peter, great stuff here! One of the most interesting I've seen. So impressive how these young people can express themselves in a second (or who knows...third?) language. Also impressive is how prepared most were to rethink or be influenced without seeming to feel defeated. That made me wonder, how does it break down in these exercises you've done in terms of the continuum between intransigence and openness? How do Americans compare to Europeans or how do older compare to younger, etc? Do you see any patterns that separate one end from the other? What do you think leads one to be more or less defensive of one's opinions, however sandy or sturdy their foundation? Lastly, only because it bears repeating...kazoo.

[@hemlock527]

This shows how much people are hardwired against inconsistency in reasoning, and maybe why we go to extremes to block counter arguments out if we are unreasonable.

[@stefangeiring4618]

"They had their reasons"

[@jasper_of_puppets]

I literally LOL'd when she said that.

[@stefangeiring4618]

@@jasper_of_puppets Yeah, i was just speechless. But very well done by Peter.

[@Zdamaneta]

Based.

[@thomasbaader6629]

I hope she said that because she didn't understand the question correctly.

[@jasper_of_puppets]

@@thomasbaader6629 She had her reasons.

[@Zactastical]

Agreers doing some spectacular mental gymnastics.

[@hjge1012]

All this video did, was enforce my opinion that we should judge people on their age. Because a lot said in this video was really really... let's keep it somewhat friendly and say: "naïve".

[@grimus]

There’s something wrong with the culture that “educated” these kids.

[@snorgonofborkkad]

The cognitive dissonance in the two on the left is bizarre. They’ve swallowed the religious left’s myth that judging other cultures is xenophobic, but their rational brain is fully aware that the cultural practices you’re mentioning are objectively harmful. Culture is just a complex way of saying behavior. I’m sure they wouldn’t have a problem judging an individual's behavior, but if millions of people are engaging in that same behavior suddenly it’s not ok? It’s literally the exact opposite. Postmodern Critical Theory at its finest. Everything gets inverted.

[@MustardSkaven]

Depends on the culture you are in. I can judge an individual for walking onto a plaza in a bikini somewhere in Saudi Arabia but I would not judge them for walking onto a plaza in the US wearing a bikini. The culture defines whether something is okay or not. There is no objective morality.

[@ncorp2668]

🎯🎯🎯💯💯💯

[@joeshmoe000]

This demonstrates a certain human psychology very well: I'm not judgemental. I'm not judgemental. I'm not judgemental. Ooooops, I AM judgmental and proud!

[@gangadin2873]

I never understood this idea of "don't judge", and it came from religious Christians, not the woke, when I experienced it. And my immediate reaction was "Are you sure? Because without judging you wouldn't know good from bad and obviously as a Christian, being Christlike is better than being unlike Christ, so how can you not judge?".

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

Yess

[@ncorp2668]

@@gangadin2873 It's completely religious thinking. That was my first impression when i saw this. This is old school, traditional beliefs, but being repackaged as woke (like most of it).

[@ncorp2668]

This was a great question (hope you do this one more often), and I think it illustrates a lot about people attempting to honor an empty and mostly reductive sentiment to an absurd degree. These people are frustrating, particularly the two who refused to move. She'll read a book about Malala, and all she takes away from it is her strength as an individual person and not at all the things she was fighting for? I don't believe her.

[@ncorp2668]

@@gabrielsamuels6066 Yep, I think she was just being stubborn.

[@HebrewHammerArmsCo]

Those five kids need to go hiking up in the PNG Highlands..... Where they can experience Long Pork...

[@cheeks7050]

Yep

[@yehudagreenfield]

I'm cracking up that they all moved from your one counter example. It's like they never before cticially examined this

[@AJ-HawksToxicFinger]

The two people refusing to give up their position are the ones who would innocently call the thought police on their neighbors 'for their own good'.... It's apparent they care more about 'having the right opinion' than actually thinking critically about WHY they do not judge other cultures.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

its not even innocence, its Double-Think, knowing what your doing is evil, but doing it anyways because you've also convinced yourself of your own moral superiority, so evil from you, and the state/w/e is your outlet for it, is beyond reproach, Peter could show him a thousand vides of Gay men being building'd and he'd never even feel a pattering of empathy, because he's already decided he will not.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

We should never judge another culture. Not enough data to judge a culture. ( Data is provided. ) First Thought: Why not move?

[@ncorp2668]

That would mean acknowledging they were wrong and that they can't stand behind this extremely empty principle they're willing to die on the hill of.

[@SebastianVaz]

the reactions and expressions from the participants after the exercise ends always gets me... I commend you for your ability to be indifferent Peter

[@tortiedove]

I love that they all clapped at the end. 😊 Loving this series of videos. I want to visit central Europe!

[@justinp.3256]

9:46 And that's the problem with letting young people lead and influence. It takes integrity and intellect, formed over time, to be willing to adopt an opposing point and saying "yep I was wrong on that one." Clinging on to "we shouldn't judge putting people in ovens"... please

[@L3vin17]

Let's make cannibalism great again 🤣

[@jeffsamco4828]

Hey, Peter, consider being more “visual“ in your verbal communication. I am blind, love your videos, but can’t follow where people move to. It would be so easy for you to add details like “I see all five of you are on agree.“ Or, “why did you move to slightly disagreed?“ I have suggested this before - would you do this?

[@AzathothNyxkind]

Oh boy, that was a real wtf moment!

[@roncollins644]

It’s almost like these kids have no internal dialogue…. Like they’ve never thought about what they believe or why they believe it.

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

Fills me with prejudice.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

they do, they've just used the power of Double-Think.

[@themugwump33]

Ok, here’s the problem… I think you need to be much more thoughtful with word choice in the questions… especially when dealing with people who are fluent in English but it’s a second language. In the vernacular, to “Judge” something associated with humans (or a human) implies one is putting forth both criticism and a prescription for remedy… and typically also implies such ideas are coming from a place of authority… that one has the authority to Judge. If you were to ask me “should we Judge other cultures?” I would immediately answer “no!” for the reasons stated above. But if you asked me “should we criticize other cultures?” Or “should we be critical of other cultures?” I would respond with “absolutely!!” When someone says “don’t judge me”, it’s always good practice to stop, think, and re-focus one’s focus of criticism. If someone says “don’t criticize me”, the correct response is “I’ll criticize whatever the hell I want until it’s demonstrated that my criticisms are invalid or unwarranted.” The word “judge” is the problem here. I think all the participants would have had different responses if given a different word. Anyways… I love your work! That’s for reading my criticism. :)

[@ncorp2668]

But that's the whole crux of what is needing to be analyzed...the negative connotation associated with judgement is unreasonable, and it stops people from thinking critically on really important and fundamental things. Apparently, WWII Gurm-manni is still not a worthy enough example of how judgement of cultures is necessary.

[@themugwump33]

@@ncorp2668 it doesn’t matter if the negative connotations of the word “to judge” are unreasonable - the vernacular has decided it implies the judger has a false or unwarranted remedy for the judged. So, if someone says, “Gary is judging Nazi Germany”, the implication is that Gary has no standing to do so. Ergo, “don’t judge” is thought of as a virtue maxim. “Being critical” is different. Sure, there are some that think you should never be critical (especially with culture) and THAT to me is not just unreasonable, it’s wrong. “Gary is criticizing the culture of Nazi Germany.” Yeah, I would hope he is and that his criticism is scathing! In concert with Peter’s work, I would absolutely love to hear how people (especially young college types) respond to questions like “criticizing other cultures is wrong.” Or, something provocative like “it’s never ok to criticize Black culture” or “it’s never ok to criticize Mexican culture. Or “it’s never ok to criticize the culture of majority Muslim countries.”

[@littledesi123]

This by far was my favorite episode. Thank you

[@hemlock527]

It's shocking how thoughtless people can be, dangerously shocking, especially if they end up in jobs of influence, horrifyingly simple minded. I wonder whether they'd be as reluctant to judge Trump supporters. It's understandable that this happens to avoid being deemed a bad person by the mob, but its high time that some moral consistency and courage wins out.

[@wilfriedbony19]

Some cultures are better than others.

[@semosancus5506]

100%.

[@iwatchyoutube9610]

So true

[@peterwatkins671]

Some much better

[@nicoservin2870]

compare to what? It depends on the hierarchy of values

[@jmc0369]

Or, "culture is not your friend". Culture can be as oppressive as a state. Its real fine line.

[@Ghost-fe1vp]

The guy that didn't change his position was hopefully that girls would be allowed to be educated but also doesn't judge that culture. how can you desire a change but not judge the culture for not allowing that change. How does a person get convinced to speak like that young man. I never got educated in University/College these thought processes are just so peculiar to me.

[@BobCoalWater]

In the late 80’s, I was in my late 20’s then, through my work I made friends with expats from what was then the eastern bloc, even back then they made me conscience of how our western political correctness was hindering our thought process, they found us so naive. This video brings a warmth in my heart to know that there universities have not yet been corrupted.

[@wetlazer]

I know others have said this, but I must say @Peter Boghossian, I am often amazed at your ability to remain calm during these sort of discussion. The two people claiming to remain neutral about judging the German culture during world war 2 or homosexuals being tossed off roofs. I imagined you asking about cultures where women had acid tossed in their faces for "disobeying" men or cultures in which women have been gang raped on busses and the young men who raped them were not prosecuted, and I might well imagine those two would stick with non-judgement. Meanwhile I was yelling at those two kids.

[@pauld9561]

Live in an American inner city slum for a few months. Then ask the same question.

[@poissonpuerile8897]

Wow... this was rough! The guy who keeps demanding more evidence, even of the Holocaust, worries me.

[@jimwerther]

They're very young

[@MustardSkaven]

The Holocaust was a weird one. I didn't know the extermination of the Jewish people was a culture.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

@@jimwerther eh, that isn't an excuse, people like this regularly can maintain this level of double-think forever, see any of the Post-Modernist thought leaders.

[@jacobdeem8187]

No indoctrination here

[@NoriMori1992]

Cultural relativism is such a dangerous attitude. All cultures are equal only in the sense that they are all equally cultures. And I'm willing to bet that all cultures, no matter how awful, have _something_ good in them, _something_ worth preserving. That does not mean all cultures are equally right or wrong, or all equally conducive to people's well-being.

[@AndyJarman]

This is where Classical Liberalism went off the rails. Open debate does not mean refusing to question or hold opposing views. I am concerned people are kow towing to Critical Social Justice ideology because it is thought to be "liberal" not to condemn it.

[@common12]

I think his point can be summarized by the old adage- “Where you are on an issue depends what on where you stand”

[@enjoyanthonymoore]

When your intellect gets in the way of common sense.

[@biuliu7157]

The guy on the left has played some serious mental gymnastics.

[@jimwerther]

Their English language skills are very impressive

[@allstarr9tc]

"Why dont they just move if theyre gay?" hahahahahahaha

[@keithfilibeck2390]

this is EXACTLY the person who sells you out to the Stasi, simply because you broke the rules, and your death is because you broke the rules, Lawful evil to the core.

[@pisuoxide]

The future of the world ladies and gentlemen

[@chillcalmyourmom2770]

it was painful and disturbing to listen to these young people and their naivety.

[@krymz1]

I would be on the strongly disagree. We judge everything in life, that's how we tell wrong from right good from bad and so on. You can judge other culture just as other cultures judge you. the most important part is to not isolate yourself from them and to not believe everything you are told so you can have the best perspective for yourself. I'm in the not putting ethnic groups in oven and doing something about it to stop it camp, just like I'd expect the people who think it's a good idea to do it to think negatively of me too. It's not like wars are something new.

[@TimC_1964]

Amazing! Thank you for this!

[@commentarytalk1446]

Thomas Sowell is very illuminating considering the role of "culture" with respect to a certain "sub-culture" in the USA as it pertains to various black communities where the argument has too often focused on race either genetic or systemic explanations ie "systemic anti-B"). And yet Mr. Sowell points out a much more powerful explanation and suggests the sub-culture of these people that influences their choices as individuals is heavily linked to their measurable outcomes eg births outside marriage, lower educational attainment, higher crime rates and so on. He's not the only black man in the USA who came to this conclusion (via academic research), the late Kevin Samuals via an altogether different approach, such as personal experience and confrontational interview with members of black communities living in for example Atlanta came to a similar conclusion concerning what was dictating their choices and leading to results they as individuals were dissatisfied by themselves in countless interviews for observational-anecdotal evidence on the same subject. The culture or sub-culture was seen as hugely influential and in economics this ties in with the technical term "Social Capital" = "a set of shared values or resources that allows individuals to work together in a group to effectively achieve a common purpose." Which culture very much is a significant product AND reactant to and of - both atst !!

[@julienwoodstock5546]

The thing about culture is i would argue its more about idea that individuals or food, clothing etc so yes you should absolutely be able to he critical of ideas which i view fundamental what culture is

[@MylesoftheMillers]

I believe most cultures are mostly fine to do whatever they please, like Italians took to cooking culture, Irish people took to drinking culture historically, certain cultures have different values, etc; to JUDGE is to analyze, to find goods and bads, and compare apples to oranges. Nothings bad about Judging anything, it just depends what the individual does when they “Judge”, which usually has a negative connotation being “to judge as bad”. I would be on the strongly disagree line and probably be firm there if the question was “should we judge other cultures”

[@mary-gael7633]

This is so interesting, because as they all standed on the "Agree" line at first, they embodied a common trope nowadays that "it is bad to juge others". Where did this all started? I would argue that it probably came from the hippie generation misunderstanding ideas that they picked in Hinduism or Zen traditions. And this became something we don't even think about in our society, in french I would call it "un impensé" but I just cannot fine a suitable translation in english for this concept. People just assume that "we shouldn't judge others" or other cultures, for what it takes, even though they constantly judge others, and other cultures, ALL THE TIME. Because, that's what we do, we go through life and build our opinions and beliefs and convictions by comparing our thoughts with others and eveluating these thoughts and ideas according to an inner judgment scale that we all have without even noticing it. Judging is absolutely constant in everyone all the time, that's what we do as humans. It's not good or bad, it's just inevitable as we all are subjective beings. Judging a culture doesn't equal judging all individuals in that culture. It just means that we have an opinion on the habits and customs of a country. And some people may JUDGE we are wrong in our judgment. Nevertheless, we still judge, we can't help it! Haha, it's kind of funny actually :D Great subject. It's always a good idea to dust off old clichés.

[@gangadin2873]

Hinduism is extremely judgemental. I have seen Christians say "Don't Judge, only God can judge us".

[@Hajde_budalla]

Its from social media. Its social media contagion. Full stop. Thats why there is a ‘nonbinary’ girl in that group who thinks it makes her special to renounce womanhood and instead style herself and dress like a boy, even while proclaiming that she is neither.

[@Puzzlesocks]

As a Taoism enjoyer myself, I've seen a some of this kind of misunderstanding of eastern religions, but I don't know if it's a major factor. As an American, I think our reason for thinking "we shouldn't judge others" is largely the fault of the public school system. Luckily I had some good old school teachers, but I was also a habitual line stepper and really pushed the boundaries of the administrations "we don't judge" policy. Judgement is just a form of discernment of reality. Not only is it a good thing, but it is necessary to survive. The idea of not being judgmental is absurdist. The real question is what do we judge on and why?

[@mary-gael7633]

@@Puzzlesocks thank you for your take on my comment, and to @Ganga Din too. You're both right, in fact it's probably something inbeded in judeo-christian cultures: "don't juge because only God can judge". I understand that. I just thought of New Age attitudes incorporating Eastern spiritual folklore in a judeo-christian base, that end up with the "peace and love" michmach that brings us to this general trope of thinking by default that we shouldn't judge others, or other cultures, even though that is actually what we constantly do without even noticing it. I don't know much about the american school system but I would be interested in understanding what exactly was told to students about this not judging thing. I totally agree about judging being necessary for discernment (wich is something that people are not told about anymore. I'm not even sure that most millenials nowadays even know what it means).

[@GaJiarg]

It is interesting how people don't like to admit they judge when everybody makes judgements. We all make judgements.

[@daledael5263]

We are all judgers if that’s a word and selecting an ideology that one aligns with is not a bad thing. Another case is you don’t judge because it does not affect you but if affects you, surely you will.

[@AndyJarman]

Some cultures are more equal than others (it's known as equity).

[@aalires]

How about the Aztecs who committed human sacrifice? They would be like “whatever floats their boats 😅” Btw…daaaang that girl said they probably had their reasons for putting Jews in ovens! 😂

[@erichamilton8952]

Can't help but think that Peter must have some interesting discussions after the event with the crew considering some of the comments the participants not only make but continue to stand by after questioning. "Well, I'm not judging those that put people into ovens. They must have had reasons." WTF?

[@sarahscheurer2618]

lmao not even into the video for 2 minutes and i can tell this is going to be interesting.

[@faustyred]

I'm actually happy that Peter finally got to unabashedely play devil's advocate in this, and QUITE efficiently and effectively garner dissent in the narrative that was constructed.

[@Future_Imperfect]

I better not hear one lefty say all cultures are equal when being gay is illegal in many of them. I already know right wingers don't think all cultures are equal. So this better be a bunch of people saying they strongly disagree.

[@fark69]

I agree because cultures that make being gay illegal are better. Homosexuality spreads STDs, causes lower birth rates, and spreads gender confusion. Science also shows us that there is no gay gene so the idea that people are "born gay" is scientifically false as well.

[@Future_Imperfect]

@@fark69 So you think being gay is what, a preference?

[@fark69]

@@Future_Imperfect Yes this is proven scientifically. The paper in Nature titled "No Gay Gene" goes in depth into the science behind why homosexuality is not genetic

[@Future_Imperfect]

@@fark69 If there is no "gay gene" that means there is no "straight gene". I don't know about you but I didn't choose to be straight and I can't make myself be attracted to stuff that I am not. So are you saying gay people are really just straight people who are choosing to be gay, even in countries where there are harsh penalties?

[@ferociousgustafson4040]

@@fark69 you want a dude so bad.

[@hasfidanken]

"If you are gay in a country where it's forbidden, why dont you move abroad so you dont upset others".

[@lcln1]

One really funny but thought provoking thought is nearly everyone gets more immersed in their culture as time passes. unless you have a rebel tendency you will become more accepting of your culture over time, if nothing else, just to keep sane while living in it. If not, you will probably leave it.

[@gangadin2873]

You know, this is almost 100% correct. I live in a culture that I do not agree with. And overtime, it seems to be maddening. That meme "Am I crazy or has the whole world gone mad?" - you literally have these experiences when you do not agree with the culture.

[@thomasprogli3372]

Here a simple example. Germany had a certain culture in the year 1939. The culture from 1939 is not identical with the one of today. Are they the same? Should we judge the two different cultures? The mentality of the people of 1939 upheld their culture.

[@simpleyummy797]

Whether you agree or not that guy is super well spoken especially in a non native language

[@helenkane8594]

I feel bad for white sunglasses, she doesnt have a thought without clearing it with JV Borat.

[@Bigagoo]

From 1:50 to 2:30 Peter was brilliant in his devil's advocate approach the person.

[@uschurch]

"The had their reason to do that" - female Romanian student about the ovens of Auschwitz in 2022.

[@oleandra3759]

They all move in unison and yet, if you were to ask them if they’re in a cult, they’d answer no; and if you were to ask them if they think for themselves, they would answer yes. They stand there smiling about it like Cheshire cats. It’s astonishing to me.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

its important for them to virtue signal and that everyone is in lockstep.

[@vimzim8576]

I think you could have clarified the point about not teaching women or throwing people off roofs as distinguishing between the Quran and the various interpretations of the Quran, because even Muslims judge the different cultures of Islam, quite vehemently, and some sects have some barbaric interpretations. You can judge those sects without judging all Muslims or Islam itself. I think people are generally afraid of being called a bigot or racist or a phobe. But, you must have standards, it is just insipid to not say that out of fear of being labelled something you are not or do not believe. I think all ideologies should be judged based on what are current accepted standards in terms of human rights. Ideologies evolve with the times or die off, we no longer burn witches at the stake, we no longer go on crusades, if we kept doing these things we should judge ourselves and be judged by others. Without that pressure, nothing will change. Ideologies that do not value human life and are repressive need to change. The more brutal the ideology, the less likely they are able to change it by popular opinion. They usually require bloody revolutions or great conflicts. Those people who refuse to judge should spend an afternoon watching some of the heartbreaking videos of the inhumane treatment of victims of ideology, the terror on their faces as they are executed. I get it, they are young and stupid with no lived world experiences, but they need to open their eyes and be aware of the horrors that exist, being afraid to stand against it just condemns future people to be victims of it.

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

Nihilism is not an ideology.

[@db-wm2xm]

why do they need info if not to judge that culture

[@nikolaneberemed]

If there were two nearly identical cultures with one difference - in one all firstborns are killed - we would judge it as inferior and we would be right.

[@robinthrush9672]

First guy at least had thoughts. They're all idiots for having so little knowledge about other cultures despite all seeming to be from a region with very different cultures for neighbors. Edit: I've changed my mind on the first guy with how dumb that response to killing gays for being gay was.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

the first guy is a sociopath, he doesn't care about any amount of human suffering, all that's important to him, is that he is consistent in his ideals.

[@utarian7]

You should have asked if he could magically push a button to stop the holocaust, would he? Or let it be because it’s the culture. If yes. Why?

[@theprogressivecynic2407]

This is such an obvious choice--of course we must judge other cultures (and our own), as the only alternative is to judge peoples' biology (ie. it's either nature or nurture) in a way which can't help but become racism. If you know about the horrible things going on in certain societies (eg. women as chattel or legalized slavery), you can either ignore them or look for a root cause. Inevitably, this search will end in either judging the culture that socialized the people to do such things, or will default to a fallacious biological argument (ie. "that's just in X GROUP'S nature...").

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

It's not so obvious. There is not a good response to this.

[@mittmeidegger6025]

And this is what passes as university educated these days? They conflate choosing your own culture means one cannot judge said culture. Dumb.

[@TheScyy]

Don’t these people realize by this very logic they can’t judge ww2 era nazis?

[@AndyJarman]

Judged or condemned? We can value some more than others but we needn't agree with them.

[@catmantommy]

The two on the end were mental, how can you come to your own opinion if you do not judge?

[@jmc0369]

"Culture is not your friend".... Culture is like the state. It can be equally oppressive, and needs respect of the individual to be healthy.

[@Brain-washed2]

"judging" has such a weird connotation in people. you're just assessing information. you're "judgmental" about literally everything that happens to you and anything that might happen you. you're judgmental about every single person you talk to, everything you hear about. it's the most common and basic mental... thing people do. but when it comes to people, they will do all sorts of of MGs to not "judge" or "be judgmental." just accept it for what it is.

[@jasonradeke4571]

Based on his argument Buddy could be convinced the Earth is flat because he hasn’t seen for sure that it’s round.

[@EuropeDominate]

The question is misleading because all people judge other people, whether it be positively or negatively. The judging can never be stopped.

[@decarus-427]

Of course, you should judge other cultures. If you don't judge them then it is only because you don't consider them your equal. That is it.

[@ferociousgustafson4040]

They’ve judged cultures based on nation states. Don’t Hells Angels have their own culture? The Crips? Shouldn’t cultures be judged on their merits?

[@epistedoxa9012]

they actually felt proud they didn't move 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦

[@andx79]

They either didn't understand. Or they are morons haha🤦.

[@thomasbaader6629]

I love to judge other cultures. And I invite other cultures to judge mine.

[@Scottishfoxy777]

All cultures get something wrong somewhere!

[@reddirtwalker8041]

Here's the thing. The question itself if impossible. People judge as a means of survival and most judgements are unconsciously derived. Do I want chocolate or vanilla is a judgement. If the real question is should we interfere with other cultures? The answer is no. Can you believe a culture is wrong....yes.

[@Jackaroo.]

They are young and perhaps their is a language barrier, but they don’t come off very well. The denial of making judgments is moronic. You make judgments every day for everything you do and everyone you encounter. There is a fundament lack of understanding in the structure of reality to deny judgement.

[@tanimal3964]

14:05 That thumbs up was embarrassing, he thought she made a point when it was obvious her brain melted trying to justify her support for the woman but not judging the culture she was fighting LOL

[@TheRealFollower]

Cultures should be judged along ethical lines. If the cultures are doing something that is causing harm then it should be frowned upon. However you must be careful not to put your western ideas on others. The very concept of manhood is vastly different between cultures.

[@sigururolafsson2257]

Why is it not good to judge?

[@errickflesch5565]

I don't have enough data??? It is a simple question......you don't have to be a rocket scientist to form an opinion on a country or it's culture that does not allow women to be educated. I personally think it's wrong. There, I had the balls to say what you were afraid to. That being said, I respect all people's and cultures even if I don't believe or agree with some of their Laws or traditions. Some are actually barbaric, but that is why I don't choose to visit or migrate to those places.

[@fifthgear93]

We should absolutely judge other cultures. Cultrues which respect individual rights and freedoms are obviously better than ones that supress them. It's funny how people who fight for things like rights of women and minorities in western countries turn around and close their eyes to the backward cultures of Islam. It's important to differentiate however that not everything modern is good and not everything traditional is bad. For example the tradition of the family as an instittuion is extremely important for society to function properly. If everyone in the modern world decides to opt out family and children it is of course their freedom to do so, as we live in a free society, but it is extremely important to instill values in society where the new generation respects the institution of family and desires to have one. ^ This is an example of a tradition that is good and is there for a reason. At the same time there are savage and backwards traditions which have no place in our modern world. Things like slavery, cruel and unusual punishment, giving more rights to one group of society at the expense of another, allwowing religious beliefs to take precedence over secular law, etc. etc. is obviousy a tradition that is good.

[@integrallens6045]

it is sad to see people reduce all of the atrocities of the n@2is to just one man. Sure his will might have been the driving force but to do what he did, he had to create a culture of fear, disgust, etc. Not allowing this to fall into the category of culture just so you can decide which ones can and cannot be judged is a cheap trick.

[@eVieww]

I’m horrified. 😢

[@IAmJeroenKlomp]

Carl Benjamin (@ one of the Sargon of Akkad channels) made a series called All Cultures Are Beautiful. Recommended.

[@drewcope9632]

They had their reasons 😮