DRUG STORE FINDS- MURRAY'S POMADE REVIEW/ HOW TO REMOVE Pt. 1

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Jay The Cyborg

Jay The Cyborg

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@WalkingOnWater86
@WalkingOnWater86 7 жыл бұрын
To get it out quicker use a coditioner directly on the pomade rub it in wait a few minutes and it comes out in 1 wash. There are emulsifiers in conditioner. emulsifiers are the chemicals that make water and oil mix. So with enough conditioner you are literally making murrays mix with water and wash out. Please like this comment im not trying to win a popularity contest but it's a shame that this simple thing gives people still so much trouble with oil based pomades!
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 7 жыл бұрын
+WalkingOnWater86 thanks for your comment appreciate the input
@WalkingOnWater86
@WalkingOnWater86 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your reaction hope it works for everyone. I have not tested every conditioner of course but it works for me. It's not a price thing either the stuff that works for me is pretty cheap but i think it's just a testing for yourself thing. One thing though youre still going to need shampoo for the wash. Hope it helps!
@kevinceniceros1690
@kevinceniceros1690 7 жыл бұрын
Trust me, Jay The Cyborg, the formula for that product has been the same. I bought three cans of this stuff for about two dollars each at Walmart, and I used it and it looked good. Nah, time to edit this comment: this product is terrible, because I rip out my hair by accident while applying it.
@cfoster6804
@cfoster6804 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!! You are the first person to explain WHY the conditioner method works.
@nofightingnolife7368
@nofightingnolife7368 7 жыл бұрын
Just use Head and Shoulders, It gets rid of a solid 95% of Murray's
@allenryan7515
@allenryan7515 7 жыл бұрын
I CAN GET IT OFF IN ONE WASH: 1. Shower with water as hot as is comfortable and thoroughly rinse hair. 2. Condition first with higher quality conditioner. Use enough so that it completely loosens the feeling of the pomade. Leave in hair for at least 3 mins. While you continue your normal shower routine. 3. Rinse thoroughly and wash hair with shampoo. Wash well by massaging and scratching scalp. A hotter shampoo such as "head and shoulders" will produce best results. 4. Condition once more for a minimum of 3 mins. Rinse hair and you're pomade free hair will feel great again!!! I use a lot of Murray's and this always gets it off.
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 7 жыл бұрын
+Allen Ryan thanks for your comment hopefully this will help others !
@BAMSE64
@BAMSE64 4 жыл бұрын
I agree i use this method as well I recently started growing my hair out and I just slick it back I like the control that this product offers I try to incorporate baby oil after I shower to help keep my hair manageable for me it’s really thick and I need to loosen it up baby oil helps with that
@dustinpellerin4243
@dustinpellerin4243 4 жыл бұрын
Just rub olive oil in your hair and massage then wash that out with only hot water then use dish soap then u can condition
@raspa93
@raspa93 8 жыл бұрын
Brylcreem works too, even though its not a degreaser, if you add a bit of Brylcreem to your hair it makes it easier to wash out the Murrays. Awesome video bro!
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
thanks so much for your comment bro
@ChrisMagoo99
@ChrisMagoo99 8 жыл бұрын
also, good old fashioned Groom & Clean
@kendallsable3073
@kendallsable3073 7 жыл бұрын
I love his calmness it's relaxing
@brandonmurray3046
@brandonmurray3046 6 жыл бұрын
Better washout method: Aussie three minute miracle moist conditioner (it has to be the moist). Put a liberal amount into your dry hair with the pomade in it, brush it through, let it sit for 10-15 minutes, then wash your hair.
@tylerdowd
@tylerdowd 8 жыл бұрын
Best pomade for the price!
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
It's a Good lard replacement too haha
@ThePacalypto
@ThePacalypto 8 жыл бұрын
I bought the murry's beeswax for $1.97 @ wal mart. can't beat that with a stick!!
@JTSmith-fe7hj
@JTSmith-fe7hj 7 жыл бұрын
something I've found helpful. if you put a hunk of Murray's on your hand and put your blow dryer on warm/high directly onto the pomade and melt it, you'll never rip out your hair
@nic562
@nic562 2 жыл бұрын
Omg I know this is an old video. But this saved my life. I shaved my head and it's just. Just long enough to style. I figured it was cheap and I could at the very least sorta spike the top. Took it home and thought... Huh I bet I could slick it back tho. . And proceeded to put so. SO. much on. It's late, it didn't really work, cause my hair is still not quite long enough to lay flat. whatever. I'll just hop in the shower and rinse it out.... And rinse, and rinse and maybe my room mates shampoo? And maybe my dove soap???? What the holy hell did I do??? So yes. Thanks for bringing sunshine.
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 2 жыл бұрын
It happens! Don’t do anything crazy best thing I’ve learned since this video, is just don’t panic and if you wash your hair with shampoo and conditioner for the next week, it will be back to normal. Atleast You won’t have to product on for the next several days. It’s normal. Next time you literally just need a dime size and should be more than enough
@theodorejohnkaczynski9442
@theodorejohnkaczynski9442 6 жыл бұрын
Head and Shoulders or Vo5 gets it out. Hit it with a blow dryer in the tin to reduce how stiff it is makes getting it on super easy. I've got some long dago hair and I run it every time i hop out of the shower so it sits in my hair for roughly 1-2 days and by that time i've probably sweated most of it out. He's not wrong about staining though, i wear a carhartt cap to work every day and i'm sure theres no less than a half can of pomade on the inside of it
@urboi2054
@urboi2054 6 жыл бұрын
For my hair I’ve gotta apply it a few times throughout the day because it’s loses it hold if you don’t build it up but I love it because it’s not super shiny
@johnnynandes8199
@johnnynandes8199 5 жыл бұрын
bro thanks ! i was just about to use liquid dish soap tomorrow ! i totally didn't realize that it would also remove the good natural oils ! thanks for the video, I'm going to buy some baby oil tomorrow
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 5 жыл бұрын
Tbh maybe just wait it out I promise it’s the best and just use conditioner after shampooing your hair. In a couple days it will feel normal again
@grandmapussydestoryer6669
@grandmapussydestoryer6669 8 жыл бұрын
i used this crap for 165 days a week works perfectly
@cloroxbleach69493
@cloroxbleach69493 7 жыл бұрын
really depends how long your hair is and how much you apply but still a pretty decent product
@1Osiris101
@1Osiris101 5 жыл бұрын
You need Voodoo Brew 2 for your thick hair. Murray's Superior doesn't seem to be doing the job. It's still looking wavy with Murray's in it.
@aaronarriaga8473
@aaronarriaga8473 8 жыл бұрын
hahaha Arroyito would always tell us how mothers did that before, but he used lemon. I later used Suavecito Firme Hold but had no problem washing it out
@vintagegentleman3763
@vintagegentleman3763 8 жыл бұрын
U r awesome man! I bought this and I want to thank u for the advice/ knowledge on this pomade (I like calling it "Grease")! Thx for everything (I would have been totally clueless about this without you) and stay awesome! 😎
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+Hero10_tanki dude I'm glad it worked out for you! It basically is grease so you're good haha
@elg4192
@elg4192 6 жыл бұрын
His voice is so soothing
@atomichabanero9101
@atomichabanero9101 5 жыл бұрын
cocconut oil same about a finger tip warm in hands and run through the hair its out that easy then shampoo like regular
@jarednichols4581
@jarednichols4581 7 жыл бұрын
Makes me think of old school greasier
@ellecree
@ellecree 4 жыл бұрын
Use prell shampoo to wash out, it eliminates oils, use just a bit, it can dry out your hair
@trizzy8052
@trizzy8052 5 жыл бұрын
Can you review Murray’s super light pomade plz
@KANAYA-cv9fj
@KANAYA-cv9fj 8 жыл бұрын
I washed it for 2 days then it got off
@xHibachi24x
@xHibachi24x 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome review once again George!
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
Thx bro !
@UnratedVerzion
@UnratedVerzion 8 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on Layrite Original? In terms of taming waves and washability how does it stack up?
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+UnratedVerzion thx for watching to be honest, i haven't tried layrite in years but i am thinking of doing a video of it, and reviewing it.
@UnratedVerzion
@UnratedVerzion 8 жыл бұрын
Jaybott The Cyborg Great! Thank you. I appreciate it. Keep up the great videos, subbed.
@jonathanvicente4126
@jonathanvicente4126 8 жыл бұрын
really works thx
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+Jonathan Vicente thx for watching bro
@zabifaizi177
@zabifaizi177 6 жыл бұрын
Hi jay i want this but where i can find this i live at paris
@ross7294
@ross7294 8 жыл бұрын
I use this everyday, I work where temp gets 140, only thing that still keeps my hair slick back for most the day....wash my hair once a week. no acne no ruined pillows. brush jus fine I wash my hair with horse and Maine shampoo and condition.
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
nice man im glad it works for you, i have some friends that use this daily and love it. i mean i used this for years before i tried something diff, and thats when i noticed some benefits from other products, that murrays didnt have. i think after a while your hair just becomes immune to the greasy-ness of murrays haha
@mikewagner4408
@mikewagner4408 6 жыл бұрын
Wash hair with clarifying shampoo and then condition
@albertogranados
@albertogranados 8 жыл бұрын
Excelente video amigo, muy buena forma de explicar, saludos desde México!
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
gracias! de k parte de mexico? y para contestar tu pregunta , suavecito firme es muy diferente a reuzel pink. suavecito es muy facil de aplicar y facil de remover, pero se endureze en el pelo, reuzel es mas aceitoso entonces no es tan facil, pero no se endureze en el pelo, los dos tienen sus beneficios, nomas depende k clase de producto te gusta. gracias de nuevo!
@alejadrosuarez3628
@alejadrosuarez3628 8 жыл бұрын
Yo antes usaba bien mucho el murray!! Pero orita casi no lo uso por q como ace mucho calor a aki en california 🙁 y orita uso el suavecito pomade!
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
como te esta hiendo con suavecito?
@alejadrosuarez3628
@alejadrosuarez3628 8 жыл бұрын
Ami me gusta el suavecito pomade esta bien! Te recomiendo el suavecito firme hold! Saludos
@eliassaucedo1376
@eliassaucedo1376 8 жыл бұрын
does it hold your hair in place throughout the whole day?
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+elias saucedo murrays ? Yeah if you put enough , it will hold your hair for 3 days no problem haha
@Binks82
@Binks82 5 жыл бұрын
Great video 👍 good info covered
@deemanthegreaser7248
@deemanthegreaser7248 2 жыл бұрын
life hack to get Murrays out is use petroleum based pomade by itself or brylcreem and when u get those out of your hair that night u put those in your hair it'll come out
@thewesterngent
@thewesterngent 8 жыл бұрын
Just came across your channel randomly man I dig your style. Not sure if it a part of the pomade groups on Facebook for not but that's a great way to learn about the current home brewed market. I've been reviewing on my channel for almost two years now. I've actually never thought of using baby oil I use Aussie 3 minute miracle most of the time. Recently the owner of Captain Blys barber supply sent me their line to review and one of the products is a Brilliantine that is marketed as a degreaser. Lemme tell you that this stuff is now hands down the absolute easiest way to degrease. It take about 10 minutes. Check it out.
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+The Western Gent oh wow thank you , no i am not part of any groups, im sure thats helpful. and wow you def have some time doing this!, well i used baby oil,or coconut oil even tho it doesnt work as well as some of the harder products or methods, i just used it in the past as a way to take some pomade off, and treat my hair at the same time, just some of those degreasers, dry out your hair and mess with it, specially i you do it on a weekly/biweekly basis, but i will def have to check those 2 prods out! thx so much for watching, and btw i just binged on your vids haha great stuff man!
@thewesterngent
@thewesterngent 8 жыл бұрын
+Jaybott The Cyborg lol thanks man I love binge watching pomade reviews.
@nicolasduckworth4738
@nicolasduckworth4738 8 жыл бұрын
damn it I washed my hair with dish soap before I watched the video
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
hey bro it alright not a big deal , i just dont recommend it for regular use. you should be fine
@edwin5838
@edwin5838 8 жыл бұрын
Yes thanks man
@albertogranados
@albertogranados 8 жыл бұрын
By the way if you could make a video about Suavecito Firme Hold pomade, that will be great! you make very good videos with very good explanation!
@markjolyn94
@markjolyn94 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Mazdak1
@Mazdak1 8 жыл бұрын
Ive use murray's pomade twice a week every week since 2010. before that it was gel. i am sold on it. however it does wreck my pillows. but i noticed in the last month that the greys in my hair (which is salt and pepper) actually turning orange... to the point where its unacceptably noticeable. any suggestions here? i dont know of any other pomade that works for me..royal crown is great but has 0 hold ...
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+William Maguire woah I never heard that happening , but murrays is considered a heavy hold product , and I think you might want to stick with that type to get similar performance. Some of my reviews are on heavies, for ex just a few heavy holds are: reuzel pink is an amazing product except I'm not too fond of the scent , captain blys heavy works really good in heat and holds well, lots of natural ingredients which is what your hair might need, and take break from some chemicals, but it's only 2 oz for about $15 . So it's def going to see an impact in your wallet compared to murrays , I'm yet to do a review on goon grease , but I hear people rave about its hold and performance, I will review it soon. Hope these ideas help
@Mazdak1
@Mazdak1 8 жыл бұрын
thanks, i may buy that. some folks have been telling me to use suavecito or wax based... Thank you for the advice though .. i love the stuff and dont want to part with it unfortunately.
@Mazdak1
@Mazdak1 8 жыл бұрын
i didnt try to wash it out when i used it- i'd wash my hair with shampoos and such every third day and just rinse the other nights so i'd not have to worry about styling those other two days.... im figuring it was a buildup from that . from what i understand, back in the old days this was more common, as people wore hats so there wasnt much reason for that sort of heavy washing (and removing product every day ) .
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
yeah def let me know what ends up happening, i seriously feel like something with more natural ingredients might help
@Mazdak1
@Mazdak1 8 жыл бұрын
i tried suavecito strong hold. it washes out granted, but does nothing for my hair stylewise. its too weak..ordered reuzel pink to see if it holds up. thanks.
@PanchoRATM182
@PanchoRATM182 8 жыл бұрын
Great info! I noticed my local store sells this stuff. I might get it and make my personal verdict. Going to buy baby oil for sure.:)
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
let me know how it goes!
@amg4160
@amg4160 8 жыл бұрын
0:38 WOah woah WOAH did u just flip me off?
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+Sootss hahahaha
@tommurray83
@tommurray83 7 жыл бұрын
Chairman Mao 🤓
@maxwellhoffman7436
@maxwellhoffman7436 8 жыл бұрын
Try Aussie 3 minute miracle for around 10-15 minutes before you shower. ALL of it comes out
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+Maxwell Hoffman thx! i am going to try it and prob make a video of it.
@maxwellhoffman7436
@maxwellhoffman7436 8 жыл бұрын
Also works for any other oil based product. Plus it leaves your hair silky smooth and feeling very healthy
@derekescobar2691
@derekescobar2691 8 жыл бұрын
Did you actually use it all aside from the washing out of this product. I got it today, tried it out, put the same amount you put because I actually saw your video before buying it. But the wash out was terrible. I might go ask for a refund.
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+Derek Escobar yeah the washing out is really bad, at least if you applied very light amount it should be washing off most of it off pretty quickly maybe in several days all the build up should be about gone, a lot of us couldn't get it out after a couple weeks , this is def an advanced product, quick question was this your first pomade ? Or your fist oil based pomade ?
@derekescobar2691
@derekescobar2691 8 жыл бұрын
+Jaybott The Cyborg Yea this was my first oil based pomade I've ever used. I was hooked on Johnny B Gel for quite a while.
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+Derek Escobar ah ok , I thought so.. See oil based pomades will leave a little residue compared to water based gels, so even when you considered them "washed out " you'll still feel you hair kinda oily . With some lighter oil based your hair feels soft and smooth , but with others like murrays it feels a little greasy . It's normal tho it will fully feel normal soon don't freak out. I made a video about first pomades to try out and I'm going to make a more pomade for "intermediate " users or an intro to oil based, like I said there's other products that give you really nice benefits , and don't feel greasy like this, that's why my recommendation is as an emergency product , because your hair will look good for the price, BUT dealing with washing it out isn't always the best, specially if your not used to oil based/petroleum based products, have you used any other water based pomades other than jonny b?
@derekescobar2691
@derekescobar2691 8 жыл бұрын
+Jaybott The Cyborg No I haven't used any water-based pomades just Johnny B.
@ramsilva
@ramsilva 8 жыл бұрын
I think it's interesting that this product has been around for so long despite its many imperfections. What kind of people do you think use this product because its a great fit for them?
@ramsilva
@ramsilva 8 жыл бұрын
I guess I mean 'what kind of hairstyle' not 'what kind of people'
@mozbilly1
@mozbilly1 8 жыл бұрын
Good review.
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
Thx bro I appreciate that
@davidapostolaki9345
@davidapostolaki9345 5 жыл бұрын
Does brylcreem work as a degreaser?
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 5 жыл бұрын
It can but I heard most of the time , you’re just treading off the greasiness to oiliness .
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 5 жыл бұрын
Everyone recommends aussi 5 min miracle instead
@postpunklover6711
@postpunklover6711 8 жыл бұрын
Ha ha this is too amusing. I'm actually a big Neo-Rockabilly kat but I am not even half as crazy as most of my sub culture are about pomades. Honestly I'm an Eco Styling Gel kat; I use the pink one that is super cheap for a big salon quality tub. Only the price of a movie and it lasts most of the year :-) Plus it never gets too scrunchy, never flakes up until I shower the next morning right before hand and has a great shine. Honestly I tried some pomades over two years ago (both oil-based and the water soluble ones) and to each their own but yeah, the cons of ruining clothing, comforters that I had to replace as well as washing it off was ultimately _FAR_ too many cons for me. As well as Hair Gel holding my traditionally fine hair in place more without "flopping". Alas to each their own though as we all have differing hair types! :D
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for watching and commenting ! I agree , it's a legit pomade, and there's so many new pomades that are actually trying to meet the pros you mentioned with the pros of pomade, I did a review on crystal lake by shear revival, and that one is so easy to wash off and at the same time, doesn't dry your hair like a gel does, and in actually trying out a pomade called bonafide which also might give you the qualities you look for, Imma post it this week. But thx again for adding to the conversation!
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
Oh sorry for a second I thought you were talking about the "pink" pomade by reuzel . U mean the pink gel tub?
@postpunklover6711
@postpunklover6711 8 жыл бұрын
Hah a oddly enough I am watching the next suggested video, the heavy hold Dutch-made "Reuzel Pink" one. But yeah I was talking about the Murray's Superior that I tried to years ago and with how since my hair is traditionally very fine with natural oils that a nice tub of hair gel, such as from Amazon the Eco Styling Gel (Pink colored, yes) of over 80 ounces (5lbs!) goes thankfully a _VERY_ long way through out most of the year since I like I have shine with no extra grease to worry about to ruin my Rockabilly/modern day greaser clothing or the novelty Marilyn Monroe neo burlesque pin up sheets & comforter set I got over two years ago now too
@aaronarriaga8473
@aaronarriaga8473 8 жыл бұрын
I personally wish I would have seen your video earlier... 😒 (oily hair freaked me out!) but it's all good now lol with some Tijuana gel hahaha
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+Aaron Arriaga haha saliva works too
@afdhalanugerahd.3334
@afdhalanugerahd.3334 8 жыл бұрын
sadisss!! banget
@heykids7994
@heykids7994 7 жыл бұрын
its bad because i already have acne
@kevinceniceros1690
@kevinceniceros1690 7 жыл бұрын
You can degrease your hair of pomade by simply using Groom & Clean.
@kevinceniceros1690
@kevinceniceros1690 7 жыл бұрын
Tanner grinzel, right, but using Groom & Clean to degrease your hair is the only safe and proficient way of doing so, and it also makes your hair feel healthy and smell nice.
@thelazybone666
@thelazybone666 8 жыл бұрын
To degrease this and get it out, use Aussie 3 minute miracle moist conditioner. Your welcome.
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
You know, I've heard of that , I personally don't mind the greasiness since I don't apply crazy amounts, but I might just grease up my hair and try it , thx bro
@thelazybone666
@thelazybone666 8 жыл бұрын
+Jaybott The Cyborg No worries man, let me know how that works out for u :) Waiting for more great reviews from you bro!
@Leonardo-du8tk
@Leonardo-du8tk 8 жыл бұрын
I just bought it at food 4 less and can't wait to use it I got it for almost $4
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
tell me how it worked out!
@Leonardo-du8tk
@Leonardo-du8tk 8 жыл бұрын
+Jaybott The Cyborg great
@edwin5838
@edwin5838 8 жыл бұрын
Ay i tried it and its still on my hair
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+edwin villegas i wonder how much you piled on, you can repeat the process if you have a lot on your hair , dont worry it can take several days, but its not permanent. if you really need to get it off like as soon as possible you might need to use dish soap, but no matter what i dont think it will come out in one wash, like i said tho, if youre in no rush, it will come out.
@edwin5838
@edwin5838 8 жыл бұрын
+Jaybott The Cyborg yah man no rush just got really worried man and thanks good video btw :)
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+edwin villegas yeah bro, if there's no rush, I would suggest to add some more before you shower , you can even apply shampoo to your dry hair, and let it sit. When did you apply it ? And how much you think you put on it?
@edwin5838
@edwin5838 8 жыл бұрын
+Jaybott The Cyborg i put a lot lol and i put it on yesterday
@edwin5838
@edwin5838 8 жыл бұрын
+Jaybott The Cyborg cause my friend told me to put alot
@grandmapussydestoryer6669
@grandmapussydestoryer6669 8 жыл бұрын
hey nubtuber. i used this crap for three years. still got ma hair. every day for school 365 days a week. i still got hair (:
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+Grand Mapussydestoryer666 yep I used it for about 2 years, i personally just didn't like how greasy it got, some of my friends still use this everyday and love it haha.
@BertoldBR74Roux
@BertoldBR74Roux 8 жыл бұрын
I'll never put this junk in my hair! :)
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
Hopefully you never have to lol
@elir5447
@elir5447 8 жыл бұрын
Ted Mosby????
@sourcefedforlife
@sourcefedforlife 8 жыл бұрын
I hate this stuff lol
@JayTheCyborg
@JayTheCyborg 8 жыл бұрын
+sourcefedforlife haha seriously, if it wasn't for the review i wouldn't have bought it again,
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