Drum Machine vs. Drum Computer

[@JAdeWii_]

Recorded this and another video that's droping later this month before the move ;)

[@klaytonvonkluge4905]

Go Jade, GO !! I sorta heard you were gettin' your own space, CONGRATS, if anyone deserves a dedicated area of operation for musical compositions, YOU DO!!! #Respect

[@FreqBand]

so "the move is all your audio stuff too ?"

[@fasterdetail]

Maschine plus jamz!

[@rhughes808]

So many videos about drum machines criticize them for lack of sound design capability or sound tweakability, which always pushes us synth newbies to more complex machines.Sometimes simplicity is good- smaller learning curve, more immediate results, so I really appreciate you not just pushing the idea that more complex is better. I have permission to buy that simpler (and cheaper) machine!

[@yvesdropBeats]

Gracias for the video.. I’ve been producing beats for 20 years and never really put much thought to the differences between a drum computer and drum machine. Congrats on moving your studio to an office. It will change the vibe of the music.

[@FuZZbaLLbee]

Whenever I think that the TR-8 is limited,, I think how much cool music has been made with the matches it is based on, and it doesn’t seem limited anymore

[@vjspectron]

It's *terribly* limited, but not unusable. To me, it's like Roland saw Volcas selling like hotcakes and assumed it's because people like being limited to 16 16-bar patterns. BLECH! TR-8 is basically a beta-edition that languishes in the shadow of the TR-8S. If you're buying one these days, know its limits and don't spend more than $2-300. The variation feature is pretty neat though, and I like the way they did the scatter knob. Just not really well-specced for the 21st century unless you're sequencing on a laptop, in which case why bother?

[@solomonjenkins9505]

@@vjspectron but what if you're sequencing on an octatrack? :P

[@Matt-zp1jn]

Just get an LXR-02 Erica synths/ Sonic Potions DRUM Synthesizer ! It is the best value for your money and cuts thru a mix like a techno stab thru hot butter! 😊 It is also the most portable, has FM, sample loading, and lots of tweaking abilities! 😊

[@Emily_Entropy]

I have been into music production since '99 and this is the first time I've ever learned that distinction. You're correct. My RYTM Mk 1. is labeled as a "Drum Computer" and I've never noticed this before!

[@Krushtaar]

The Analog Rytm is really great, you can tweak your analog drums, layer them with samples and save your kit for later. It is so versatile and deep, it was a revelation for me. Have fun

[@livinproof718]

I have been recording my drum machine to my sp 404 lately and creating fuller sequences with 8 bar drum loops... and you can manipulate the fx on the drums better too

[@jjohnson4301]

Excellent. You are the first person that has addressed this that I am aware of. I have often thought about this very topic. You are really cool.

[@oommdtube]

Timely !!! Thanks im 53 and will never play with live drummers again , FAD's , so im stepping into this new world , thanks best explaining !!!

[@michaelkonomos]

Very helpful! This is a good big-picture breakdown. Thank you.

[@paulo_00]

I've been learning a lot about being Dawless by watching your videos. Im new on it, but now I see that a computer isn't actually 100% necessary all the time. Thank you.

[@biogeniclife]

Finally someone has explained this in a way so I can understand it. Thank you!

[@wighttoan]

Some of my synths have drumkits. I like to use a loop pedal, laydown a beat when I'm jamming, messing around. Sometimes I'll record the loop into my sampler if I want to use it for a recorded track in the future.

[@solomonjenkins9505]

I mean the analog rytm still gives you drums right when you need them, I just wish you could mute tracks without going into mute mode and adjust levels without switching tracks (basically it's set up to be used with an external mixer I guess)

[@livinproof718]

I’m in love with th elektron work flow ... I just bought a used analog rytm mk 1 because of one of you videos and I’m in love with it... I made fire already with it ... and I have like 5 elektron machines

[@EverettDudgeon138]

I have the Tempest and just ordered the Arturia DrumBrute and ISLA S2400 Drum Sampler. Can't wait to sync them all together.

[@chrislzm]

Thank you thank you. I've watched so many comparisons of these devices to each other and you explained it in a way that I really got it! Very sure now that the analog rytm is the right choice for me. 😎 Can't wait to get it!

[@KordTaylor]

Thanks for this really insightful video. It lays out the different use cases which is a great place to start.

[@truthbydesign5146]

Sugar Bytes drum computer on iPad = amazing virtual entry point to the world of drum machines. It’s the next best thing to dedicated hardware drum machines.

[@robgoodfellow]

great job smashing all of that useful info in under 7 minutes! thank you for your hard work!

[@DocBolus]

Interesting stuff. I like what you say about drum computers being that much more programmable. That the end results are more complex, I think this is true, but I don't think all grooveboxes are like drum computers. The Circuits are definitely more like drum machines with a couple of synths along for the ride. They are easily accesible for live programming and once the samples are loaded up into the machines there is not much scope on them for sound design or mangling. What do you reckon?

[@JAdeWii_]

I reckon a drum computer vs groovebox video on the way ;)

[@DocBolus]

@@JAdeWii_ sounds bout right

[@deepvibez]

BIG HUGS Jade :)

[@milkweedreflections]

Yo, the midi in on the 404 is insane. I use the midi channels on my Digitakt to sequence the 404 through midi, and they are an insane combo together like that.

[@JAdeWii_]

oo gonna have to give it a try!

[@dasstraat]

It should have both, tell which rhythms and the machine adds drums, base, cool stuff and fills. I don''t want to spend days on creating a drum and play exactly in the same order. Thanks for the explanation.

[@pc2908]

Your assessment is probably the most down explanation of all of what you were reviewing. Fantastic. Subscribing from today!

[@PaulGuzmanPD]

Thank you for the very thoughtful and clear presentation!

[@tomlovelight2376]

You have become really professionel doing these nice videos, keep being your self !!!! and everything you want will happens. Thanks for you videos they help me a lot doing Music with all this Strange gears we got :) im old and been doing electronic Music for 30 years by the way :) thats a Big plus for you.

[@xc68000]

Thank you for this. I'm trying to create a setup to experiment with ambient/drone/trance and am struggling with how to handle percussion. Looking at Volca Drum or Microtonic plugin. If I get the Drum, i'll need to upgrade to an interface with more inputs. Right now I have a minilogue xd, studio one daw with Diva and Hive 2, and a 2i2 interface. I like the idea of building beats on the couch with the Drum but do you think its worth extra cables and complexity?

[@TBD3.0]

Roger Linn would disagree with you I had the pleasure of meeting Roger at the NAMM show back in the day in my younger years. You are mis informing people. Roger Linn is a designer of electronic music products, best known for his invention of the LM-1 Drum Computer, the first programmable, sampled-sound drum machine in 1979. Prince was heavily influenced by Mr. Linn in fact his sound and style was thanks to Roger's invention. Now you know. Study uP^ kid. Class dismissed You're welcome TBD3.0

[@ScottAdair]

Love your elektron tutorials.... thanks for all the hard work

[@FreqBand]

Here is what I have in front of me at my studio/office...........Computer keypad (tower CPU/programs}, Nord Stage 3, Elektron Rythm V1, .....and then some euro-modules and interfaces.

[@RobertSaxy]

Jade, I ok with ac noise of it means your comfort. Thanks again for the great content

[@Individual_two]

This video is timely for me. I just ordered a Roland TR6S. I wanted a TR8S, but I just don't have the room. I'm looking forward to seeing what the TR6S can do for me.

[@JAdeWii_]

I love it, you're gonna dig it!

[@avace917]

I found this in an article on the Gear News website. Your words are holding weight

[@powermix24]

MC-707 and TR-8S are amazing instruments. Roland's interface might seem cumbersome but it's not, I'm not a menu diving kinda person but I find it really easy to use. I highly recommend them both or just the MC-707.

[@VJFranzK]

Good Dichotomy! it's a valid discussion.

[@andres7615]

Thank you, great video, am thinking more the drum computer for me.

[@krazywabbit]

Big fan of your work and inspiring others to jam more and slam less. Keep up the great work!

[@geekindakitchen]

keep up the great work been here for quite a while sending good vibes from australia

[@greun]

The Analog Rytm is a Beast

[@MrAnselm77]

Your help “influence me to grab the tr-8 years ago” ....thank you 👊🏿🔥🙏🏿

[@VJFranzK]

Syntakt is a fine choice now! It would have been my first buy if it were available earlier.

[@charlessmith5465]

The vines in the background are trying to play that keyboard. 🤔🌿🎹🎶

[@fakshen1973]

There's grey area. Originally you had one set of sounds, then came digital with only one set of sounds, then mods, small libraries and very basic pattern sequencers. But today, computing is so inexpensive and powerful... you have to purposely build a drum machine rather than a drum computer.

[@melona3727]

imo, what you mean by "Drum Computers" are called a "Groove Box" which started from MC-303 back in 1996.

[@mynmyself]

boutique sh01 is still digital, as all the other boutiques

[@melona3727]

@@mynmyself my mistake... you're right sh-01 was ACB. the ony analog osc they make is probably JD-xi. thanx

[@brothacaim]

@@melona3727 se02 all analogue

[@nawazsayed7110]

Which is the best Drum machine pattern book for learning?

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

What I need is a machine that create a fat snare!

[@doppelganger8659]

You talked about the elektron workflow, mentioned how knob per function can be so convenient, but didn’t mention the model:samples. For less than $300 you can get the elektron sequencer with TR style step entry that plays back any sample you want and is knob per function. Everybody sleeps on this machine.

[@tristancaver4836]

I totally agree. Model series is such an amazing value.

[@JAdeWii_]

Ah, I haven't tried it so couldn't comment on it. Maybe it will make itself into the studio at somepoint!

[@walterortiz6408]

i just buoght a tr-8s and its so simple to just sit and play i think thats the idea as u say with a drum machine its more performative*? (sorry for bad eng)

[@Marquinhos1901]

Digitakt is a modern groovebox. As long as you have some good samples on your digitakt its pretty easy to get grooving. Even the stock samples r good.

[@gcoller]

Good vid. I'd argue that the TR8s is much closer to a drum machine than computer since most of the "tweaky menu" things are very optional. You can turn it on, pick a traditional kit, and program a basic beat in a few mins. Another point is that you can learn 99% of the TRS8's features in an afternoon (vs say an Electron box's learning curve). But overall I like the vid's point of different machines for different use cases.

[@MikeyLikesItt]

This is dope, Hella information, some nitty gritty too TY

[@groovelover6352]

I am planning to buy a yamaha reface dx and I am looking for a portable drummaschine to combine it with. I wanna jam/create Synthie-Pop, Acid House, Funk, disco, lofi filter house…everything groovy (Chromeo drums are my favs), so the drum sounds should go into those directions. The Roland 707 has the perfect sounds for me, that 80s vibe and claps are awesome. I wanna be able to lay down drum patterns easy, quick and performe with it (using FXs..) and just looping around, having fun with a drummaschine and a synth. I am not so much into modelling every beat. Should go quick in order to jam with the reface over it. What drummaschine/gear would you recommend? Is the Roland TR-6s or the roland Tr8 with the 7x7 expansion the right choice? What looper would you recommend to loop the reface dx and the drummaschine? Something simple. I wanna stay dawless and portable (batteries). Thanks, awesome channel by the way😊

[@crankydragon]

Thanks! This answered a question I didn't even now I needed too ask! Coo dose!

[@elusivemite]

I do miss my tr8 a little but I have a load of projects for the MPC 1000/2500 ready to go that act as a drum machine for sketching I'd rather have the option to dive deeper when I need to

[@botanic8518]

Would you say that the synthstrom deluge is the same as the MK+?

[@JAdeWii_]

haven't had the opportunity to try out the Deluge, but it looks cool!

[@channelite]

I think the best drum machine/computer I used was the Korg Volca Sample. So easy and fun to use. Why did I sell it?

[@anoniconoclast2030]

Is there a drum machine that can sequence keyboards?

[@tristancaver4836]

Sitting here with my $600 A4 mk1 . Beats for days. More often than not it's half the price of the RYTM. Alas, no samples, but it will get that instant rhythm itch scratched real quick...not to mention its capabilities in other departments.

[@JAdeWii_]

that's a steal, I remember paying like $1200 back in 2016!

[@tristancaver4836]

@@JAdeWii_ Totally. Financially, I'm out of MK2 territory, but I really just see those boxes being icing on the cake. There's so much sonic territory to be unveiled with the previous iterations. One of these days I'll snag a RYTM.

[@jazzzman1000]

Very helpful. Thank you :)

[@TBD3.0]

I mis the days of the Yamaha RX5 and the LinnDrum

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

I’m still new to connectivity between things. Can the Analog RYTM be triggered by something like the Nord Drum 3P, SPD SX, or trapKAT XL?

[@subhajitsarkar4432]

Btw what about your new studio setup? Another question Why u not make EDM MUSIC ?

[@murraynatkie7490]

"EDM is NOT a real thing" - beardyman

[@unclemick-synths]

I have the MPC One and although I like the ability to finger-drum I miss the ability to be able to tweak the drum sounds on the fly the way I can tweak synth sounds live on hardware synths. I'm starting to seriously think about which drum machine to get.

[@bubuAudio]

akai released a drum synth plugin for MPCs within the latest firmware update. You can try that before buying something else =) about one function per knob, yeah, MPCs misses the target

[@unclemick-synths]

@@bubuAudio good point. I must look into whether a knobbly MIDI controller would open up the MPC drum synth for jamming.

[@bubuAudio]

@@unclemick-synths I hope behringer releases BCR 32 soon

[@thebeastbrothers]

Nice Moo machine sfx6 keys back there 😎

[@KunchangLeeMusic]

What do you think is the best drum machine for live performances if price isn’t an issue ?

[@Cepheid-IDM]

Look at the Analog Rytm. That thing is a beast

[@Cepheid-IDM]

When I wanna go deep, it's my Machinedrum or Digitakt. For ease of use I lean on the MFB522. Wanna go bonkers, use em all at once!

[@buscandolaverdad8686]

Comparison video between mpcOne and mv1 yo!!

[@j.du6]

Not DAWless, but SparkLE ftw...so few realize all the tricks it has it its bag. I sold my TR8. Full disclosure: often enough I use 7x7 romplers and Megababy nandy mod. I don't have any Elektron stuff -- seems not immediate enough for my tastes and also is really pricey and seems fussy. I'd rather use DAW automation to make up the functionality difference.

[@astrojazzman]

Hardware over software

[@fatkev1983]

As always, great video. I do enjoy popping in from time to time and watching your content. As a fellow TR8 lover, I love when you praise this bit of kit. You can use the TR8 to sequence external kit and thus be able to access a whole bunch of sounds in a sense. Can't say I've tried it yet... but I would probably stick to using the BeatStep Pro to sequence something like my old Emu ESi samplers.

[@klaytonvonkluge4905]

I've been considering getting a old Roland SP 4o4, (based on @Jade Wii 's and a couple others' info and tutorials) as something to compliment and "go with" my Maschine Mk3 , Anyone wanna try to talk me out of it? 😆😂 I just really been wanting to mess with one

[@Cook_couple]

Your look so good in this video :p

[@bigmoneysteppa]

There are drum macines there are drum computers. Then there are Clap machines.

[@klaytonvonkluge4905]

So true !!! 😅

[@JAdeWii_]

we need a snap maschine lmao

[@bigmoneysteppa]

@@JAdeWii_ a Clap machine covers all of this.

[@tonywharton5220]

The Uno Drum is worth looking at Jade. I've found mine to be one of the most realistic drum machines with amazing presets.

[@CharlieZelenoff]

MPC LIVE 2.

[@JAdeWii_]

Maschine plus 🤭

[@CharlieZelenoff]

@@JAdeWii_ With the MPC I don't have to pass around head phones OR rely on having speakers and cables. ANYONE can listen anytime. Its amazing for out in public or bringing to a friend's place. I just let a whole party listen to us make beats yesterday on a boat. Machine can do? No no no.

[@GearAddict90210]

I found that taking a simple drum machine (the Drumbrute Impact in my case) and triggering semi-random samples via midi over it can produce really cool results when messing around live. Having the drum-machine control other gear really suits me, I found. I never thought about the difference between a drum-machine vs drum-computer. I appreciate the simplicity of the former though. As you said, it's good to have when doing live.

[@LittleMusicBoxes]

Hi Jade!

[@inperfectsequence7840]

I'm sorry but Tr-8 is rubbish for me, I don't like such a flat sound, I would stay with the Elektron Digitakt sampler, because of its 16 midi channels, powerfull step sequencer and 8 for audio, simply because of the FX too.

[@mikevenus4117]

SMH 🤦🏽‍♂️. They’re all the same if they are digital or have firmware updates. That makes it a computer. I don’t understand why this video was made and it has made me some what confused 🤔. 🧔🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️ oh well.

[@magneglenning9430]

👍

[@jhdrummer4815]

Just curious where are your origins from?

[@JAdeWii_]

Colombiana

[@alianshampoprisioners7056]

I hate the stickers loock like a ...

[@fasterdetail]

I disagree..I believe drum computer and drum machine are the same thing regardless of analog or digital..if it has a sequencer and allows programming sequences it's a computer..I dunno I just come from different time

[@HammyHavoc]

Drum machines don't allow much in the way of sound design for the most part.

[@fasterdetail]

nah..drum machine and drum computer is the same exact thing..just different name..

[@fasterdetail]

ever heard of a linn drum ?

[@HammyHavoc]

@@fasterdetail Sure, it's sample based. I'd say drum computers have more in common with drum synths. Syncussion has no sequencer, but runs rings around the average drum machine for sound design.

[@fasterdetail]

names change but source remains the same

[@brianwredfern]

The new rd6 is pretty beefy even though you can't modify the drums it has a great sound.

[@heyman5025]

Jeez I learned nothing useful