Krimh (Septicflesh) & Ken Bedene (Aborted) - drumtalk [episode 27]

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This is easily the funniest episode so far! Although here's some serious advice and inspiration for not only brutal playing, but for every drummer and musician I've never seen brutal drummers who giggle their way through a drumtalk like these fantastic dudes did! ENJOY!

[@Wingedoverphotos]

Man, idk how I missed this. I went to school with Ken and was good friends with him and his family. I was at Ken’s very first live show he ever played. Him and his cousin started a band called Bloodwork and he was great even in his first show. I watched him progress from his first show ever to now. It’s pretty awesome. It’s so badass seeing where he’s at now and the love that fellow drummers have for him.

[@wanjanechtangroeger]

It is so interesting to see drummers who have a very different approach on drumming - I always liked to do a lot of systematic practise with metronome etc and it helped me a lot. But at some point I realised that I don't become a good drummer with this kind of practise only. Since I started practising more songs I became much more confident on stage and now I always do a good mix of both kinds of practise. What surprised me most in this interview is the fact that Ken doesn't practise that much. I also had a time where I was practising only 1-2 times a week and it was enough to keep my level but I didn't feel confident and I didn't progress in any way - on the other hand I am not so much on tour playing every day a really brutal set of songs. Being on tour is probably the best practise you can get.

[@BurnTheNuance]

Wanja [Nechtan] Gröger It's you! Cool post. Helps me remember that you guys are humans.

[@KingSilk33]

To me it sounds like Ken doesn't have any aspiration to improve, I think he thinks he's reached his peak and now he's just practicing a few times a week to maintain.

[@GeminiWoods]

Bro, you are a sick drummer. Your technique is so interesting and different than what I'm used to. Keep up the amazing work, you're going places!

[@bladelazoe]

So one needs a balance of metronome practice and playing songs(whether thats originals or covers)?

[@littlebear2477]

Great thanks nechtan

[@andrewdrumsify]

I think Ken is the best extreme metal drummer to exist so far, his technique's, style, tightness especially pretty hair are all one of a kind.

[@connorbray8962]

@WhoDarestheMAN gamer disagree each time I have seen francesco live he has been pretty sloppy live. Ken just doesnt miss a beat

[@Nefville]

Ken is a living God. And when we talk about drummers who are faster (record faster that is and its not a contest), have difficulty to reliably play album material live. Its just too hard. Paoli does not drum anymore - he's a God too.

[@Skeletal33]

Definitely. Him, along with Flesgod and Belphagor’s drummer.

[@thehardtruth7704]

@WhoDarestheMAN gamer hahahah not even close and Francesco has NO feeling in his playing and has to play to a metronome. Ken does not and plays very loose and have groove. Your wrong like I said. Your thinking as a generic term of "fast drunming" and Ken has better foot/pedal control then all those drummers combined

[@acidrain812]

WhoDarestheMAN gamer Ken uploaded a cover of himself playing Prison Born on guitar and drums... he’s a multi-instrumentalist as well dude. Ken is a sick ass drummer, don’t underestimate him

[@towar666]

What Kerim spoked about the "climax" of the song, and the blastbeat should smack the listener's face, I totally agree. Also about the 'listen to your body'-talk was useful. I noticed that i've doing right things. I'm glad. Thanks Drumtalk for sharing this!

[@chancedillbeck]

Right! I feel like thats part of the reason he fits SepticFlesh so well

[@nodnarbregztem8546]

DUUUDE! not one, but TWO sick drummers in one episode! Thank you so much.

[@drumtalkofficial]

it was almost 3 drummers....

[@marciochiabotto590]

Who almost was the third?

[@drumtalkofficial]

Oli was soundchecking during this talk and did the usual solo thing after our two fellas here left the couch...

[@atabish3031]

George Kollias

[@rizalnurrokhim8159]

where's James Payne?

[@josephwashington2096]

Ken is in the top 3 extreme drummers right now. That's not opinion, but fact.

[@Demonoirrr]

Thank you for inviting iconic metal drummers! It would be super-cool to see interview of Hellhammer someday on your channel

[@drumtalkofficial]

hahaha, I was never into BM :-) Only band I enjoy is EMPEROR -- but when there is an opportunity to get him...well, why not?

[@sebbosaurus]

"listen to your body" one of the best tips, if your body feels more comfortable doing doubles than singles then go for it. There's always someone who would say otherwise but what's more important is for the drummer themselves to feel the motions. Great interview thank you

[@drumtalkofficial]

you're welcome! the body aspect is definitely a very important part of their episode

[@Inshadows]

What a great interview. I think it’s so important, specially for young drummers, to listen to two accomplished drummers say: don’t worry about the name of the technique, listen to your body. Or “I never liked practicing to a metronome, I much rather practice to songs or the set I’ve go play live.” This resonates deeply within myself, being a 42 year old drummer who only in the last… eight months as come to terms to listening to my own learning process, and let me tell you, you will make so much more progress practicing two hours while in harmony to whatever your ears and body are saying back, than eight forceful hours a day with no self awareness.

[@dubbe186]

Thanks for doing what you're doing drumtalk!

[@drumtalkofficial]

u gotta do what u gotta do others play -- I ask :-)

[@dubbe186]

I bet you play a fair share yourself, otherwise your questions wouldn't be as good :)

[@drumtalkofficial]

ups! leaked out...

[@LordEldarc]

Both Ken and Krimh are brilliant, got to meet Ken recently in New Zealand and watch Aborted play. Awesome dudes all round

[@zaio15_DarioMannu_DM-DrumCover]

Ken and Krimh are STUNNING, AWESOME! With this video, thanks Drumtalk for your GOLDEN work, I start to watch and listen more death metal drummer and music. Definitely. I suggest to Drumtalk to talk to/with another awesome drummers.. Italian like me... the drummer of Fleshgod Apocalypse, Francesco Paoli and Federico Paulovich of Destrage! Thank A LOT!

[@marciochiabotto590]

Damn, this was the best episode so far!

[@LENINsWORLD]

Would love to see an episode of DT with Nicholas Barker ;)

[@neilmaccannell637]

Lenin Parada same here so many drum info sessions podcasts etc bypass him and id like to know why hes been a big part of extreme music for yrs he deserves more exposure

[@ericheydenreich2846]

Thanks for sharing this awesome video, these guys are in beast mode behind the drums!

[@shahfacekillah]

I can't believe you had Krimh on your channel and you missed the opportunity to find out what hair products he uses.

[@drumtalkofficial]

c'mon Fred -- he's on fb & insta etc. I'm sure he'll send over some nice package with sample bottles to you if you ask in a really metal way....

[@shahfacekillah]

@@drumtalkofficial maybe I will!!!!

[@JohannesParra]

Love this channel, great to see your fav drummers just kick back and share tips/stories/secrets hahaha. Hope to see Derek Roddy next! Thanks for the awesome material dude

[@drumtalkofficial]

Derek is on my list for a long time now but unfortunately he isn't that often in the range I can handle. Driving more than 500km for one way (and back again of course) is kinda hard to do. And since I do these episodes on my own I always have to watch the financial aspect, my energy, my own schedule etc...

[@JohannesParra]

Totally understandable and Respect for the commitment bro.

[@CesarVesvre]

Now let's learn ! Thanks so much for your content, was waiting for this one for a long time !

[@mrhairy1221]

I enjoyed this immensely. Never would have thought that two of my favorite drummers have the same outlook on practicing and bettering yourself as I do.

[@retrorenaissance9497]

Krimh is one hardworking guy, its great to hear him talk about his craft. Ken as well, he's an absoluter beast and very modest about it.

[@adeptustrashmechanicus2909]

The section about the small space and importance of dynamics is precisely why these guys excel so much.

[@vitunpelle602]

I could watch those two just talking about drumming and music for hours.

[@darknord]

Great interview, as always

[@gringochucha]

Seem like two super chill guys. Great interview!

[@drumtalkofficial]

thx man! yes they are great to hang out with

[@pigsquealingcore]

"I wanna play music, not a speed contest" so fuckin true!

[@anthonytipton761]

Thanks for the advice on how you both think on playing . I think you both are awesome!!!!!

[@MichaelRobinsonDrummer]

Think I much of watched this like 5 times over! Some of my hero's here !

[@metalflower9543]

Die beiden sind neben Joey Jordison eine meiner Lieblingsdrummer.^^ Toller Kanal, weiter so! 😁

[@SantanaGoveia]

Thanks for this! Two amazing dummers in one only episode.

[@drakausdromgatti58]

I discovered drums so late in life.... all I can do is practice everyday

[@aquabot]

Great interview!

[@ChaosPootato]

I really love this channel. Quite inspiring dudes, with the whole listening to your body thing!

[@juanneman]

Great videos, I´d love to see Daniel Wilding from Carcass as well, another beast who does it so easy..

[@stefancolberg2966]

i'd kill to see mario from gojira on this show!

[@drumtalkofficial]

well, let me see what I can do about this....

[@adrummer9031]

Good idea :)

[@btownshreds1]

Stefan Colberg man I second this. Such an underrated drummer

[@mattvdh]

It'sa me, MA-RIO!

[@CamiloMoyaBaterista]

Nick Barker, James payne, francesco paoli, Inferno, Daray,

[@FinGamer181]

Both my favorite drummers having a cool chat in one video? Why haven't I seen this before..!

[@drumtalkofficial]

thanks man! I guess it's youtube's algorithms that are not really in favor of the smaller channels...

[@pabloardouin961]

One of the best episodes!

[@ricklieffering]

I can understand the part about groove, where they talk about that their hands are bound and they are at some point, but I think it has more to do with the definition most people have of groove. They almost always point to like funkdrummers or something and yes they groove big time, but to me groove can be in blastbeats and whatnot. Just on a different level. It's such an abstract concept that it really is up to the listener to determine what groove is. I hear tons of groove in players like Longstreth and Laureano, it's just not your stereotype "off the shell type of grooving" everyone thinks of when talking about it. To me people who say metaldrummers don't groove perse just aren't listening or listen to it with a biased opinion and when they don't hear the ghostnotes and "funky" hihat stuff they say it doesn't groove. In the end it's just all about time, feel and sound.

[@Nilehulk]

love you guys more and more every time

[@javierbustamante5078]

Ken is just insane, his drums are so good, even if 90% of aborted is 200 mph blasting the face, the drums are so fun and amazing that doesnt feel dull or boring at all. True craftmanship right there 👏🏻

[@unknown666wtf]

absolute fucking legends.

[@musicisthecure6934]

Very good interview I just realise something… And both are so cool 🤘🏼❤️‍🔥

[@NeuroplasticityReprogram]

Really enjoyed this.

[@drumtalkofficial]

awesome! so did I

[@ieb994]

Awesome interview! If you could get James Stewart from Vader/Divine Chaos, that would be sweet!

[@Ironsvillage]

Great episode.

[@alonso5754]

Great interview as always. Keep the good work. Maybe half of a song in the middle of the interview would be great too :)

[@drumtalkofficial]

Will release some songs separately in a few weeks -- 2 are already on my channel btw

[@zaraimanu328]

Dear my favorite channel , can you do interview with David McGraw by Cattle Decapitation (im so happy you do with Inferno)

[@drumtalkofficial]

met him once a couple of years ago... well, as we all know it might take a little while until I'm able to continue this show. but never say never...

[@Aaron_Gentry]

Awesome video, just like always :) One drummer I'd LOVE to see on here is Danny Carey from Tool - I've always loved his playing

[@nimanikpoor2135]

Fuckin hell these are so wholesome fuckin love them

[@OdinsSon22]

“Can’t have groove in metal, there’s too much sound to push through, you’ll end up sounding like limp bizkit” Chris Adler and Mario duplantier have shown this is not the case, you can have amazing groove and still be heavy as fuck. Not shitting on these guys they’re both phenomenal drummers and Aborted is one of my favourite bands…But you can definitely have groove in metal🤘

[@hugorezende199]

Ken is indeed not from this galaxy, he is ridiculously bizarre.

[@t3hgir]

Jazz parents

[@atabish3031]

Yes two incredible drummer's on 1 show

[@timurkhabirov]

Awesome guys! And brilliant drummers!

[@TheWitchOvAgnesi]

I thinhkn what is finally starting to be said in interviews with extreme metal drummers is how important things like "listen to your body" and "realize that everyone is different" are. That and how method and technique becomes fluid over the spectrum of speed. I think a lot of newer drummers try to apply the same technique across the board in their drumming and the result is a lot of frustration and a lot of wasted time.

[@Varibyss13]

awesome dudes

[@Drumpr0phet-]

nice interview

[@svensvetina4044]

Ken mentioned playing guitar as long as the drums. Is there a video of him playing? That would be very interesting to see.

[@jrvital5815]

the two perfets drummers .

[@magwence]

Damn loving this vid

[@watchlistenlearn]

Chimaira. Lamb Of God. And Devil Driver. Great Groove metal bands 🙏🙏

[@Alpoepael]

What Kerim said around 11:20 is the thing that made Martin Lopez parts in Opeth so great! Apart from his creativity of course.

[@thefourshowflip]

Alpoepael There are quite a few (though they're definitely rare)...one of my favorite drummers who goes absolutely crazy with technicality, Hannes Grossmann: ex-Obscura, ex-necrophagist, blotted science, alkaloid

[@Alpoepael]

Hannes Grossmann is sick.

[@isaaczaladar1174]

Alpoepael jamie st merat is just mind blowing one the most organic and dynamic of not the most dynamic!!

[@Philipp_Thielen_510]

Because of Ken I started playing with crocs and to be honest, every drummer should give it a try

[@k.5308]

Ken bedene saying "i can hear im not a machine".. what the fuck.. and playing without a click? .. some people are just beyond human i guess. i havent heard him NOT be fucking tight yet.

[@geworfenheit5541]

Around 15:00 and on, of what Krimh's saying about blasts and changing it up, of what I'm listening to now, Napalm Death and Belphegor mix up their songs and albums really well this way...plenty of blasts, but rounded-out songs with other beats and some tempo changes. The blast always comes back in between. Or as a rule: sometimes, the band is just a band that blasts. Nothing wrong with that!

[@Patrick-mg3jp]

Fucking love krihm. Hes a beast

[@JediXero]

One band that I think has been able to add some interesting space and a little funk on the drums while keeping it metal is Whitechapel. Get Ben Harclerode on the show! And to echo another comment or two; it would be cool to see Mario Duplantier and Francesco Paoli.

[@HeavyDude3000]

Very cool and calm guys. I like there view on things alot. Great Video, thanks!

[@user-me7mm7gr1p]

Ken Bedene is fucking crazy. One of the tightest and fastest drummers i've seen in extrememetal.

[@Vor_Tex_Sun]

he really is. He is like a machine tbh and makes it look effortless

[@geworfenheit5541]

Respectfully, we are missing out on the fact that Tomas Hake plays ghost notes, not in a funk style, but in a unique, groovy style that very much fits into metal, moreso on The Violent Sleep of Reason than any other Meshuggah album.

[@stephenchildress7275]

I completely agree, however, it works for Meshuggah because they don't always have that wall of sound you have to work past like in Aborted. Since their patterns are way more syncopated, it creates the space for ghost notes, and syncopation just naturally grooves more

[@vacateistheword]

Mario from Gojira too maybe ? Like Toxic Garbage Island for example

[@Ringlifegang1]

KEN=Fucking best DRUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@mrkasaval]

This was awesome to listen to. Probably saved me years of meaningless practice.

[@elmengh]

Ken talking about little to no practice yet see him kick so much ass on stage ...wow!! id thought he would be putting lots of hrs on the kit....for example I heard somewhere about Kobe Bryant on court for 2 hrs everyday practice 3 pointers and Im like no wonder he was so good but Ken is superb and barely practice....and when he does its pop or something simple. that blows my mind !!

[@bladelazoe]

it's probably because I spent hundreds of hours in the beginning to get to that extreme level but now he plays enough to maintain this level of playing.

[@FedericoSala]

awesome! love it

[@tjombom]

Some people are just born or better "equiped" to play instruments and they know what they do.

[@etudieng1676]

Very nice !!!

[@MaskedRiderChris]

Krimh's comments about dynamics and blast beats at the 15 minute mark are really accurate, IMO. This is why I get bored by bands like Krisiun really fast, because all you get is nothing but blast beats all the time, with little to no variation or dynamics or groove. The occasions that Krisiun do slow down are really effective, but I find those to be few and far between (just using them as an example, there's lots of bands out there who are guilty of that very thing). These guys are both amazing players and came off as really modest and down to earth, and I enjoyed listening to them talk.

[@wallachianforest2603]

Great Drummers

[@konradzubrzycki5056]

Cheers Guys!

[@jakeliftsnshreds6670]

Krimh looks sort of like Mustis..

[@JFDrummerforlife]

Would love to see Jamie Saint Merat in a DT video

[@drumtalkofficial]

I really doubt that Mike Mangini will drop his sticks anytime soon =D

[@JFDrummerforlife]

WELL That would also be cool! Ahahah

[@adahbombdon1512]

Krimh sounds like Antonio straight out of Desperado hahaha

[@chaoshate]

Excelent, tks!

[@malakispanien]

Krimh is weeded out big time

[@Shredder-KJ]

These guys are brutal

[@JesusLordOfLords455]

I think Joey jordison did a huge amount to inspire drummers like this

[@maxwellbrandt8710]

Aborted song at 16:50?

[@karma9007]

good shit right here. rep +1

[@Ronin_TV]

15:45 can someone type the name of the bit he mentioned here? I wish I could see how does that sound like

[@AleksRockZilla]

Ken Bedene plays from the heart & plays circles around Krimh...

[@perelapouc]

merci pour la traduction en Français....y a pas de batteur en France????

[@blastbeatsj]

Drums in metal say "come along with me"

[@misterdemerol]

y'all need to get fotis benardo and namtar on this show.

[@lewy_g_official]

Mario Duplantier please.

[@tarekelmagrabi756]

groovy and metal, thats why we have gene hoglan

[@101silencio]

🙌

[@ostravia]

I am a 10x signed Death Metal drummer from a band you all know. Nothing is impossible if you know how to do it...

[@fotiskaranikolis4152]

- come on it's my project 🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kentaroderry2958]

Can someone tell me the name of the song at 19:19?

[@Martin_Nemecek_21]

Septicflesh - Order of Dracul.

[@mitigiant5328]

What is ufta ufta beat?

[@orlandogutierrez9526]

Krimh hoy do yo doing to have heair like that geve me the secrect

[@groovedetector]

I think i may have mispronounced Geetahplayer my whole life.