Dry vs Liquid Hydroponic Nutrients: Is it Really Cheaper? | Veg+Bloom vs General Hydroponics

[@SakvaUA]

You can also try Flora Nova series which does not require you to mix different versions.

[@unhappyGooging]

I'm glad someone is asking these questions. This one has been nagging me for a while, but I haven't had a chance to analyze it. I use GH so you've convinced me to look into it further. Of course, there appear to be more to consider. GH seems to be more tailored to different stages of growth. Maybe all that is just a marketing ploy, but if it really matters, then it would seem like a substitute that doesn't vary based on stage in plant's cycle might be less effective as some stages. Also, it's possible to save a lot off GH by getting it by the gallon (though the same is probably true for Bloom). Did you consider any other solids? How did you settle on Bloom?

[@Des420]

Tailoring your feed schedule depending on the stage of growth is something to consider more in mid to late flower than any earlier stages... But it's not necessary. With a decent feed schedule you can feed the plants the same thing for the entire life cycle and get fantastic results. Tailoring can be done with dry nutrient salts too, as they're usually 3 components (like most bottled nutes), and it's the same process. In reality, they're taking those nutrient salts and diluting them into the bottles for roughly 30 dollars per gallon. If you are willing to buy the salts in bulk (like the gallons of GH), you can get the cost per gallon down to ridiculously low numbers - like 10 cents a gallon, give or take a nickel... Please check out Jack's 321 if you are interested in learning about the general feed schedule and ingredients used. Cheers.

[@Arx9845]

GA, I'm glad to support you through affiliate links. Thanks for all your terrific lessons and details instructions.

[@MasterKenfucius]

Thank you. Exactly what I wanted to know. Most people don't tell you how many gallons you can make out of each type.

[@ozarkhippie]

Powder/dry nutes are a lot cheaper if you buy in 25/50lbs bags, and are also typically more concentrated by weight. The amateurs and urban gardeners are who's overpaying for small quantities (most people). Also anyone serious about hydro doesn't rely on PH perfect nutes my dude. Hydro's not for lazy people lmao, always monitor your PH. Way better products out there. Jacks Hydro and Maxi are a couple good lines. Happy growing ✌.

[@wayneessar7489]

Do you liquefy the Newts first in a blender?

[@Androbench]

@@wayneessar7489 in a blender lol

[@Topsrite]

Using GH flora series and mixing based on what your plants need make it nearly impossible to beat. In fact I will step up and say GH in my opinion offers the best hydro nutrients to date. I’ve tried a lot of different ones over the years and generally always come back. I’ve run the gro well into flower, then let it go when timing was right, you cannot control a one parter like that and since all plants are different that capability is a must, kinda like altering your ph as plants blooms. Great videos and thanks for doing what I would like to do. Try floranova in a controlled test, I think that will surprise a lot of people as that’s an incredible nute for one part grow and one part flower.

[@JD-mn8cx]

I appreciate your break down of powder VS liquid . I have been considering the options between the two as I’m almost up for a purchase of more. This video helped me make the decision to stay with powder. SIMPLE IS BEST! Thanks for your great content.

[@mytech6779]

If you are in a humid area the powder will have a shorter shelf life and you can get Ca and Mg precipitates. The actual weight per gallon will also change due to water weight though this is minor if using an EC tester. I formulate my own from basic salts and store it as multi part stock solutions custom diluted to my normal batch size and EC target. (eg 2 tablespoons per bucket of water) its a bit more investment in micro nutes but much cheaper in the long run and not beholden to a particular supplier, it also lets me address specific plant needs when required.

[@bryanrosenberg1552]

Hey, nice video, let me tell you why I just switched back to liquid nutes. I hate the DUST that floraflex nutrients cause, the zippers suck, they get wet and ruined easily with humidity. I have used Gen Hydro 3 part, Veg bloom and floraflex nutrients and a few others. I can say the veg+bloom was more convenient but I did notice there was issues with it getting wet and clumpy. I realllly hate the dust caused by floraflex, its not so bad with veg+bloom from what I remember. My work area became a mess. Trying to scoop out that 5lbs bag was really annoying.

[@malakaideangelo6316]

Instablaster.

[@m74796]

I imagine the dust is more deadly for the mixologist

[@Rosaron7]

THANKS FOR BEING SO INFORMATIVE! 👍🌷

[@screamtoasigh9984]

Do you have to weigh the powder or what? Or does it come with a scoop? (Maybe you mentioned it and I missed it...)

[@AretusSmithJr]

Yes you weigh Veg Bloom by the gram, I use 6 grams per gallon. Super easy and works great!

[@legion6277]

Was doing the same thing with mendocino veg vigor in hydro and ended up having to supplement it with a liquid mineral supplement almost cost me a lot of sorrow, GH is the way to go imo and add 1/2 strength cali magic

[@m74796]

Never heard anyone say easier is better. There's usually a trade off. I use gh advanced and have awesome results, although it probably does take longer to mix. But no dust

[@garygrinkevich6971]

good video dude, looking at switching over on renewing my bottle of veg gh.

[@olysean92]

I'm using the same General Hydroponics 3 part. I'm very interested in how your fixed NPK ratio works throughout the 5 phases of your plants' lives; and whether yield or quality are effected; especially for maripickles. What is the ratio you're stuck with? I dig the concept of having 7-6-11 for seedlings into veg, 2-1-3 (16-8-24) for heavy veg, back to 7-6-11 for transition to flower, 3-4-5 (12-16-20) for peak flower, and 0-5-4 for last feeding before starving them. But maybe GH has sold me on a bunch of extra work.🤷‍♂️

[@GrowingAnswers]

Only benefit I like with liquid is increasing the amount of nitrogen. Other than that I haven’t really seen much benefit in making adjustments unless it’s for commercial scale grows and squeezing out as much potential as possible. Home grow it’s only marginal improvements if any. Think about plants outside. No one changes the make up of the soil. Unless it’s for actual gardening then maybe.

[@Xeromorphic]

There are reasons why you want different ratios. I grow peppers and you need to be able to prevent blooming. When a pepper plant blooms it restricts growth. I can do that with a multi part fertilizer (doesn't matter if it's ghe or another brand). I can't do this with this powdered fertilizer. It's a great fertilizer, just not for growing my peppers (not saying you cant grow peppers with this, just saying I can control its growth and flowing better with a multi part fertilizer) .

[@sloop24]

What would you say is the shelf life for the liquid solution once it's mixed

[@roberthart9886]

I have probably used 6 V + B and had 2 @ 1pound V + B on the shelf that went bad after a few years due to turned color and becoming a bit sticky. One still had the seal and was in a dark dry cabinet. I moved away from it due to the N being to high for flower. I switched to NPK RAW Grow and Bloom I have an RO for cooking and drinking, so no need to pay shipping costs which must be factored into liquid prices

[@marksneyd1262]

I looked at liquid nutrient initially but it was just too expensive and very confusing to use. Fortunately for me, I managed to find a UK company doing powder nutrient called Gro-All and it’s a doddle to use as it’s a one part mix.

[@europa-rhd]

What results have you been getting with this?

[@marksneyd1262]

Aciduzzo absolutely amazing results, to be honest I’ve never used a feed like it, our plants are just so healthy with tons of fruit growing..

[@jethdaflip7741]

@@marksneyd1262 what kind of fruits?

[@quadcam24v]

I've used Hydrobuddy and bought each individual nutrient and made my own. Not cheap upfront, but you can experiment.

[@scottblanche6657]

Not sure what he says is true.I use Veg+Bloom and you also should use their Life,Shine,and Stackswell.That's 4 things to not only mix but mix longer waiting for them to dissolve.Veg+Bloom says only mix the powders into the full res,never ever mix then dilute. They also say to mix one at a time Stackswell first .Better to read Veg+Bloom's own material maybe.

[@jypsydog6079]

Maxibloom, Lucas Formula for the win Alex..

[@andreslazcano6469]

You should look into Dyna-gro Grow and Bloom

[@chunkyhebrew8805]

I just picked up their line ( grow, bloom, cal mag, pro tekt). How do you like them? I picked them for their simplicity and the fact that after 35 years they are still in the game.

[@philipclift7205]

The bottles make 100 gallons, the General hydroponics maxibloom powder or maxi grow powder makes 200 gallons , and is cheaper. Liquids and powders are not at all comparable in prices, as you are stating.

[@ScullyPop]

I would love to do hudropnics one day. I can't even grow yet.

[@giffsgaffs615]

What you waiting for get on it now good luck

[@paddyoo5833]

or spell lol

[@markrouse2416]

It is a matter of size. Larger operations are not about to pay another company for water All of those liquid blends start out as a dry product and if they tell you different they are lying.

[@pakosetlhako9525]

New subscriber, any advice for a beginner would highly appreciated. Keep up the good work.

[@Des420]

4:08 I'm sorry, but that is an absolutely incorrect statement. The FloraMicro has enough N in it that you can omit the FloraGro entirely. 7.5ml of FloraMicro per gallon + 15ml of FloraBloom per gallon is a fantastic, easy feed schedule that can be used as is, for the entire life of the plants. GH also sells a salt based nutrient - MaxiBloom, that is cheaper and even easier to use at 7 grams per gallon for the entire life of the plant. Both follow the Lucas Formula. Cheers.

[@GrowingAnswers]

Des420 sort of. That would be a 555. A balanced general purpose mix if mixed 1:1. But I didn’t point to floragro. I pointed to flora bloom. But the talk about price still stands true either way. Thanks

[@damienbaudhuin9424]

Hi, just a general question about hydroponics, we see a lot of hydroponics being used to grow vegetables. But do you think the technique could be used for houseplants? Like a Monstera for example that has thick and meaty roots unlike vegetable plants?

[@GrowingAnswers]

Damien Baudhuin hydro is most suited for harvested plants. Unless you have a bog plant like pothos Ivy or peace lilies

[@damienbaudhuin9424]

@@GrowingAnswers thanks!

[@OfficialConsciousCanaan]

This video helped out a lot man thank you 💯🔥

[@davidsago9756]

This guy already said he's lazy. And he's wrong. Liquid is better. You can adjust the amount you want to use. It can be helpful. Not all plants grow the same. You need to make stronger batches for stronger plants. And weaker batches for the week ones till they catch up. They sell 3 gallon sets. And single gallons. No biggie. The cost is a couple bucks different. I dont trust what he's saying. Lazy grower

[@billoneil397]

you can for sure grow with general hydroponics three part solution with only two parts. ive been growing various tomato and pepper breeds with out their "bloom" bottle with excelent results. do an experiment and see for yourself befor you lay claims.

[@billoneil397]

to be clear i follow the bottles instructions and just leave out the "bloom" . as well as prune heavily. getting the same amount of fruit in a shorter period of time as my soil tomato/peppers of the same varieties grown outside in the garden.

[@billoneil397]

using less water

[@billoneil397]

the reason i do this is any waist fertalizer can be direct poor into the garden for no waist. had i added "bloom" to the equation it would confuse all my outdoor plants as they generally stay vegitative longer then hydro

[@gregory-to2hz]

what s a good formula? with veg +bloom''''

[@innocentbystander2673]

Good video. Can you special order a larger pack of the dry? Here in downunder, the local hardware sell Manutec Hydro Powder in a small box but when you ask at the special orders desk, it comes in a 10kg bag for cheap as chips. Just a thought. :)

[@valeriesanchez3074]

Not a fan of flora series. Always get slime algae within days. It's very weird

[@Javinkay]

I think I’m going to do a video on fox farm hydroponic growing I’m just waiting for a couple of things to arrive in the mail

[@HIGHGRADECHANNEL]

Cool video man

[@dsperbs]

Hello, love your videos! I have been growing hydroponics tomatoes, eggplants, lettuces, peppers and soon zucchinis--- I'm hooked! I was wondering if you could give me suggestions for my fertilizer nutrient mix. We mix tomato fertilizer, epsom salt, and calcium nitrate in tap water. It is all dissolved when we mix but after a day, a rust-like 'scum' develops at the top and even in the water you can see small dark particulates. As background,the nutrients are added to ph-corrected water and each nutrient is completely dissolved in water before it is added to the water container. Thanks so much!

[@GrowingAnswers]

David Sperber I’ve been really liking the dry fertz I mentioned here. No issues with it so far.

[@dsperbs]

@@GrowingAnswers Thanks so much for the reply. I actually use dry fertilizer - different brand but I imagine similar product - plus calcium nitrate and epsom to get 10-10-6g

[@mroakland420]

Is the powder ph stable like gh? I grow using ebb & flow with a 60g resevoir

[@stephanmoney7493]

My powder say 5g per gallon do I have to weigh it or is 5ml per gallon

[@GrowingAnswers]

Grams

[@NicholasPOGM]

I noticed the Veg bloom has ro/soft and dirty. I have well water that is softened. I have an ro system and I have a water distiller. Which is the best dry nutrient version to buy and is it organic? My well water is at 285ppm, my RO is at 36ppm and the distilled water is at 2ppm.

[@GrowingAnswers]

Probably dirty for the well and ro for the rest

[@NicholasPOGM]

@@GrowingAnswers Is it organic?

[@GrowingAnswers]

@@NicholasPOGM not sure what you mean by organic. Nutrients and minerals are just as organic as vitamin supplements.

[@NicholasPOGM]

@@GrowingAnswers Not really. There is synthetic fertilizer and organic. Organic is natural.

[@GrowingAnswers]

@@NicholasPOGM plant nutrients in hydroponics are not “chemicals.” When people hear the word “chemicals” they think of things that are poisonous and unnatural or dangerous. Let’s put this in a simple form. The “nutrients” that plants use are all the same no matter if it’s organic or “chemical” (or non-chemical for this matter). The difference is that with nutrients in the forms of salts (or chemical form if you really want to call it that) are already plant available. Meaning they can take it up right away. With organic such as compost teas, a bacteria has to break it down into a plant available form before the plant can absorb it. So in the end, the mineral or the macro nutrient being absorb is the same. Organics just add an additional step before it’s converted into the same form as with “chemical.” So to elaborate on “chemical” that word is not really appropriate to use. It all comes from the environment and through natural or forced processes it’s just converted to different forms. Such as things like iron. Iron can come in several different forms and some of which are not usable by your body. But it’s all iron. Just because it’s in another format we don’t call it a chemical per say. It just needs a process to convert it to a useable form. Ready made fertilizers for hydroponics or even soil for that matter are nutrients already in the last stage (form) that plants can use. Organic stuff or composts is not in a useable form until living organisms break it down into that “chemical” form, as some seem to like to call it. Typically organic fertilizers are used more in soil because soil can harbor the organisms. If organic stuff is used in hydroponics a strongly aerated reservoir needs to be used. If the air pump stops, all that aerobic bacteria will die and the system will become anaerobic. Then the plants won’t be able to uptake nutrients and the system will fail.

[@gregory-to2hz]

is veg +bloom any good?

[@Junzar56]

Very informative.

[@rustee80]

Have you done a comparison that has included MASTERBLEND 4-18-38 Complete Combo Kit from Power Grow Solutions? Would like to know how it compares with what you typically use from General Hydroponics. Thanks!

[@GrowingAnswers]

No but I’m working on other stuff right now with nutrients

[@rustee80]

@@GrowingAnswers Thanks for the fast response! Would like your thoughts on the MasterBlend when you do get around to it. I enjoy your videos. Very informative!!

[@screamtoasigh9984]

I have 2 3-packs of the liquid you have (ordering accident). I can't even figure out the best way to use them. I just use the dark red liquid since I don't need to do a ph check with it. 🤔 (I did ph check a few times but it was ok every time, so I stopped). If you can explain the best way to use them, that would be great.

[@GrowingAnswers]

ScreamToASigh you can’t use just one of the 3. It’s not made to be use that way. In water you just mix one teaspoon of each.

[@stevenvaldez9870]

What are some other Dry alternatives to veg and bloom?

[@b1121]

Maxigrow

[@andreamitchell4758]

but is the one step power good for maripickles? flora lets you tune for growth stages can you get away with not doing that and just using the powder

[@GrowingAnswers]

Andrea Mitchell it has low N. The npk ratio is virtually the same as the liquid nutes. It’s not entirely necessary to adjust ratios. It’s just for better control and potentially higher yield.

[@llllllblodllllll]

Hey, what reason would someone have to use the liquid and change ratios over time based on the stage of growth if you could just use an all in one powder? Surely there are benefits to the flora series, being able to more accurately cater to your plants needs as it develops or something?

[@wildandliving]

Use more grow for lettece cabbages stuff like that dont need bloom. Tomato s and peppers need more bloom when they flower

[@GrowingAnswers]

_blod less nitrogen less leaf growth and more fruit/flower.

[@llllllblodllllll]

​@@GrowingAnswersThank you very much for the response, hope you're staying safe. So for meripickles I'm better off with the GH flora series or alike as opposed to the all in one powder?

[@globalhell5046]

Thanks!

[@NoahNobody]

Is there a powdered nutrient suitable for coco coir?

[@Des420]

Nutrient salts are compatible with any growing medium.

[@BLAZINGINGPHOENIX]

Just use canna coco Bro I looked into this grow bloom stuff and once mixed up it ain't any cheaper then the liquid notes not for how much you get iut of it only benefit is it's one tub boot you could buy ionic coco and that's a one part but for starting off canna coco is the way to go

[@sheen1069]

Is any of those organic

[@jameskelly2197]

No

[@GOATMENTATOR]

how are the bamboos doing?

[@jarrettloden1342]

If anyone has any knowledge of the specific nutes needs of tomatoes or knows where to find them please help me out 😊

[@tombryant4518]

jarrett loden Look up Masterblend 4-18-38 tomato formula.

[@BLAZINGINGPHOENIX]

Just buy some tomato food liquid concentrate it's cheap enougth either that or bury a fish head under your soil

[@kyliescookingshow6702]

do u have facebook page?

[@Androbench]

I like Veg bloom but your knowledge is very poor

[@kjsgill5734]

👍🏽🙂!

[@mackrob3030]

Maxi bloom is better and cheaper 😁

[@GrowingAnswers]

You are right. It's about 1/4 the price if you only buy Maxibloom and not Maxigrow. If you buy both as part of a ratio swap part way through the growth phase, then it is about half price. I suppose Maxi"grow" would be the closest to VEG+Bloom when comparing nutrient ratios of NPK though. Maxibloom is only going to be for the flowering stage. I have not used that product so I can't agree that it is "better." Unless you mean that it gives a better growth potential by it being a duo product.

[@mackrob3030]

@@GrowingAnswers Maxibloom for veg and bloom. I know you are aware of the KISS method. Per your video going off of ease of use and cost Maxibloom is better then GH Flora and Veg + Bloom. Being honest was this a sponsored video? Out of all the dry salt nutrients Veg + Bloom is the most expensive per gallon compared to Jack hydro / 321, Maxibloom & Megacrop. Geenergenes brake downs V+B and states it is missing or lacking in key micro ingredients and will not endorse them due to their claims not being backed up by their formula.

[@GrowingAnswers]

@@mackrob3030 V+B doesn't even know about me. I bought it on my own. The only thing about the "bloom" is the slightly lower N. Growing N hungry plants like cucumbers and melons might have some issues just starting out with it that low. Im not really sure because I have never tried. But I do know that very leafy plants suck up that N quick.

[@mackrob3030]

@@GrowingAnswers Thank you for your honest feedback 👍

[@brycestreib2367]

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