Dual supply audio amplifier kit powered from single power supply

  Рет қаралды 116,173

JohnAudioTech

JohnAudioTech

Күн бұрын

Пікірлер: 200
@hotrodhunk7389
@hotrodhunk7389 Жыл бұрын
Thank God you made this video I actually ordered the amplifier based off your recommendation. When it came in I was very confused on how to hook it up. I feel like I'm going down a very deep rabbit hole that has no bottom.
@anwin85alon
@anwin85alon 7 ай бұрын
Pm me can you install do sola battery......
@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489
@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 6 ай бұрын
No shit. Wtf is a dual supply amplifier? This is not the "they don't really sell power cables thick enough" kind of dual supply i have ever seen or thought about
@billkalina3089
@billkalina3089 4 жыл бұрын
I've been stymied, not being able to test some new amp boards, as I only have a single rail dc power supply. This will solve the problem perfectly. Thanks John!
@XavierBetoN
@XavierBetoN Жыл бұрын
I had a speaker DAC without power board and repaired like so; 4 zener diodes 12v*2 on negative and 12v*2 on positive, center between 4 diodes is the virtual ground. Used 2 parallels of 1 amp 12v diodes to get 2 amps on each ray and a 24v psu. If you don't mind the offset, your solution is much more practical! Great video!
@area46241
@area46241 7 жыл бұрын
Nice one John! That's just what the doctor ordered. I wired up a 386 board with a mic and a speaker(I think I need that board in the video) Installed the mic on the corner of my house and it thwarted two attempts at burglary in two days. The 386 is touchy on the adjustment though but when its tuned its great. Can listen to the birds chirping in the kitchen and my cat loves listening to them too.
@pyroslavx7922
@pyroslavx7922 7 жыл бұрын
Best way to find high power transformers for amplifiers - in broken amplifiers! Who would believe that ;-) Or other things that do amplifier stuff too, like some dvd players with hi-power speaker+woofer output, home cinemas/old big CRT TVs (sometimes)... From the dumpsters, or on ebay/local online or real flea market - for less than their worth in copper, usually.
@thomasr.5443
@thomasr.5443 2 жыл бұрын
The first sound sample was the best you ever had, John. Great video as allways, thank you!
@anwin85alon
@anwin85alon 7 ай бұрын
Pm me can you install do sola battery......
@Aaron-wordbilly
@Aaron-wordbilly 6 жыл бұрын
just wanted to say thank you for teaching us how to hook this up. i ordered this kit due to your recommendation from another video you made and was wondering how i was gonna power the thing after soldering it all together, which led me to this video. success. appreciate it very much. thanks. take care.
@anwin85alon
@anwin85alon 7 ай бұрын
Pm me can you install do sola battery......
@JTLowry
@JTLowry 7 жыл бұрын
I love the lab cat 😂😂
@goutam9351
@goutam9351 3 жыл бұрын
Can I use dual smps to get a negative output please reply 🙏🙏
@gino3286
@gino3286 7 ай бұрын
Hi and thank you for this extremely helpful tutorial From what i understand the best mains transformer for a dual power supply is a center tapped one ? i have seen in the web some schematics to get a dual power supply from a single secondary winding What kind of issues i will have from not using a center tapped one ? i like the single transformers best I do not know why
@filenotfound__3871
@filenotfound__3871 3 жыл бұрын
TDA 2006 is a dual supply amplifier (simular to the TDA 2030/2050) that I stole from an old CRT TV, and there it was used as a single supply amp? Speaker connected directly to -Vs.
@thomaslapsley7867
@thomaslapsley7867 Жыл бұрын
Thanks John this is what I was working for to play with my little power supply project.
@AnalogDude_
@AnalogDude_ 8 ай бұрын
2:11 How about a totem pole transistor configuration with pull up/down resistors to split the power rail? ... rather than these resistors. Simulation shows it works fine and current has a return path.
@ntechsolutions1071
@ntechsolutions1071 Жыл бұрын
Can I add two 1k resistors on input because of the noise(one on left channel(adding resistor to white wire) and the other on right(adding resistor to a red wire) ?
@smithjohnny654
@smithjohnny654 7 жыл бұрын
bean fiddling with TDA's and Transistors building little amplifiers and you just blew my mind!!!....Of course we don't the DC split......how come I didn't think of that!!! so simple
@arcorob
@arcorob 2 жыл бұрын
I am a bit confused. I thought you were showing how to use 1 power supply to power two boards. In a normal setup, could someone just use two 12-0-12 transformers (one each) and make it like a big boy amp? I am new to this so trying to understand. I see the value of a single wall wart connect, but cant see how you connect to two to get stereo ...help :-)
@matin4520
@matin4520 10 ай бұрын
Hello, how many amps does the maximum current pass through this circuit?
@amitghosh6966
@amitghosh6966 2 жыл бұрын
Can we connect two 12 Volt 2 Ampere smps supply in series to make dual supply for powering this type of boards ? Will there be any problem ?
@bocmanisbertrups9292
@bocmanisbertrups9292 7 жыл бұрын
OMG Thank You! Thank You!!! i can now power my 60w rms audio amplifier without buying special transformer!!! Thank You alot! This helps me alot!
@djmops570
@djmops570 3 жыл бұрын
what if i put two amps on the same circuit??
@weareelectricgi
@weareelectricgi Жыл бұрын
is it fine that the center ground isn't 0volt?
@djmops570
@djmops570 3 жыл бұрын
Can i use 24volts in that??
@bkennb
@bkennb 11 ай бұрын
I’m interested in updating a vintage single rail integrated amp with the LM1875 boards. I recapped this amp before considering this. It has a 45 volt B+. While recapping it I upped the the B+ cap from 2000uf to 3800uf and was wondering if the dual supply caps need to be as large as 4700uf or if there is anything else I should consider? This is the late version of the Realistic SA-700 that had an intermittent channel. I have since found the problem but am still interested in this mod. Thank you for all your very educational videos.
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 11 ай бұрын
Running the dual supply amp boards as single supply, would put its grounds at half the supply voltage and will be an issue with the rest of the amplifier's ground. I think it would be better to run the LM1875 in true single supply mode which would require a board configured as such. I think the LM1875 datasheet shows a single supply schematic.
@bkennb
@bkennb 11 ай бұрын
Yeah I thought of that after posting this. I just ordered the single supply pcb that you reviewed and going to order higher voltage caps and lm1875 for them. Thank you for your quick responds. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIuaoIigitenpZI @@JohnAudioTech
@Sep_is_real
@Sep_is_real Жыл бұрын
can we get the circuit from the module
@sameerdubal
@sameerdubal 3 жыл бұрын
What if you use single supply positive connected to both supply ? Example :- we have smps +24 -0 I wanted to understand why cant we use +24 0 +24 ? Will it work ?
@bobrolls3800
@bobrolls3800 Жыл бұрын
Hi John, early on in the video you said you would like to find a source for the boards or even to buy the kit. Many long yars ago I bought four of them from kitsrus but i do not know if the company is still in business. You can buy these also from Qkits in Ontario, and perhaps also from othe vendors. Thank you for the video.
@George.___
@George.___ 11 ай бұрын
I have a small preamp with the power connection of +12V, 0, -12V A/C that I was able to run just fine without the virtual ground, from a 24V D/C power supply. There is a bridge rectifier close to the power connector so I figured it would work fine with D/C and it seemingly does without any trouble or extra heat or anything. It also seems to have a better noise floor as well with the D/C supply, so no noise when no signal is input.
@patpalermo7629
@patpalermo7629 6 жыл бұрын
LOL, I have that same RS calculator. The right side pad only works sometimes if you fold it in slightly.
@TheDradge
@TheDradge 3 жыл бұрын
It looks like an exact clone of a Casio fx-451!
@amitghosh6966
@amitghosh6966 6 жыл бұрын
Sir, all your videos are wonderful & informative. I Love them all :-) :-)
@intergalaktik4991
@intergalaktik4991 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I am looking to power a mono amp with a 36v bicycle battery. So I guess this solution would work for a single battery as well? Do you recommend any single chanel amp that can take 36v supply?
@eugenepohjola258
@eugenepohjola258 4 жыл бұрын
Howdy. I wonder if replacing the resistors with 9V zenerdiodes would work ? Yes. The virtual Neutral would sway somewhat but that happenes with the resistors too. However, there would be no resistor leakage. Regards.
@getbentaudio585
@getbentaudio585 3 жыл бұрын
Do you think this would work on a synth that needs -v, I had used a buck converter but it was too much noise. The schimatic says it need 12+-v 500ma.
@felixkommey2505
@felixkommey2505 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Sir, I need your assistance. I am using some analogue sensors. Am using more than one (12) sensors on a vehicle. I want to aggregate all the voltages from the sensors and give it a single output. Please can you advice or recommend any electrical item that can help me do this please. Thank you
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 2 жыл бұрын
Look up "summing amplifier circuit".
@felixkommey2505
@felixkommey2505 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnAudioTech thanks alot and would look it up ASAP
@iordanjelqzkov3337
@iordanjelqzkov3337 4 жыл бұрын
1k 1w resistor. Does it matter from the voltage. How big and what kind of resistor to use. Also the amperage.
@Zwakkie05
@Zwakkie05 7 жыл бұрын
Skynet adapter? Is it possible they take it from the terminator movie's 😂😂😂
@nishamnazar7005
@nishamnazar7005 4 жыл бұрын
It is showing the correct readings in the multimeter. When i give the load it is shifting back to the original voltage. And the ground is nil. Any idea why is it hapening ?
@sloop81
@sloop81 5 жыл бұрын
I have a 62V DC 5A adapter ... After split what do you think i will get out of it ? And what audio kit will get most of it ?
@user-hy6lu7nt4k
@user-hy6lu7nt4k 4 жыл бұрын
Good day sir is there a way to power ac gnd ac using batteries or 12v power supply? Thank you
@Redh0und
@Redh0und 4 жыл бұрын
wouldn't the 1k resistors be dependent on the current draw?
@jjvr5583
@jjvr5583 6 жыл бұрын
How would that dual power supply look without the board, just using the components?
@amitghosh6966
@amitghosh6966 5 жыл бұрын
Is there any difference in output power when the amplifier is powered by Single supply and Split supply ? I mean to say that does an amplifier gives more power if operated on Split supply than Single supply ?
@Joniyah444
@Joniyah444 7 жыл бұрын
What are the DPST switches used for? I am going to do this with batteries. I need switches ?
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 7 жыл бұрын
You could use a SPST switch on the battery side if using the rail splitter caps. If you use two batteries for the dual supply, you need the DPST switch to open the rails simultaneously.
@Joniyah444
@Joniyah444 7 жыл бұрын
JohnAudioTech opening the rails turns off the amplifier since it's not completing the circuit? And I am going to be using around 3 amps per 24 volt battery. I'll get the switch and fiddle around with it. Thank you
@bobrolls3800
@bobrolls3800 Жыл бұрын
PS-John I looked at the board I got from Kitsrus many long years ago and the trace is much smaller and will not handle the current load as well as the trace on the board you are displaying. Best to you in finding some good boards.
@spaga668
@spaga668 3 жыл бұрын
i found an old audio amplifier that i took apart and rescued 3 tda2030av chips. i want to make a 2.1 amp out of it but i only found schematics with dual power supply. can i use 2 3300uf capacitors? hope this works and i will be able to power it with a 12v dc adapter. :D
@zarccarsandothertoys.572
@zarccarsandothertoys.572 7 жыл бұрын
Hi John, I will have to build more than one single rail power supply for the amps I have ordered, please let me know where I can buy the correct resistors and capacitors 1k1w and 4.700 respectively. Thank you for your help.
@GrumpyTy34er
@GrumpyTy34er 2 жыл бұрын
I probably bought these parts 2 years ago and never made the circuit. Now it all makes perfect sense. I might try to use the dual volt source idea to make a simple guitar amp in a box. Edit: just realized I would be trying to use the 9 Volt pedal supply as 2 sources. That seems like a terrible idea. Maybe I'll get an 18 volt pedal supply
@rich1051414
@rich1051414 5 жыл бұрын
A simple rail splitter like this will almost always have an unbalanced ground. Due to biasing and the op amp, slightly more current will probably be pulled from one of the rails. It usually doesn't matter, but if it does matter, could you buffer the ground to lock it in tighter?
@SuperSupplyGuy
@SuperSupplyGuy 7 жыл бұрын
Very helpful! What would happen to the chip, if one side of the supply gets faulty or gets unbalanced a lot.
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 7 жыл бұрын
If one side was 20 volts and the other dropped to 5 volts, for example, the amp would clip on the 5v side first because of the lower voltage. No harm would be done.
@KetogenicGuitars
@KetogenicGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
Your videos are one of the best in YT-audio business. I can listen them and enjoy your clear output and movie star voice while jogging. But my question is what was that speaker? It has good sound even through camera mic(or was it lapel..) I take you have made it yourself. How is the crossover? What are the elements? Possibly you have video on that too...
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 6 жыл бұрын
I don't recall the speakers I used without watching the video. If they are the ones with the horn tweeter and port to the left of the tweeter, I made a video about them some months ago.
@ivanvaccari
@ivanvaccari 6 жыл бұрын
I can use this scheme also for power up a dual rail analog switch? Like the MAX4678?
@MusicalBox
@MusicalBox 7 жыл бұрын
Hi John. Very helpful video, thank you. A question if you don't mind : I have two 10000µF (63 volts) capacitors salvaged from an old receiver. Can I use those instead of the two 4700µF you suggest ?
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, those would actually be better.
@MusicalBox
@MusicalBox 7 жыл бұрын
JohnAudioTech Nice! Thank you.
@nakarg
@nakarg 6 жыл бұрын
Would be viable to use the 12v+ of 2 molex from a pc atx powersupply to feed dual +-12v ac to a circuit? Is there a way? Like uniting both + and gnd from the molex with each other + and gnd respectively and making the virtual ground connection normally like the video?. Or making 2 separate circuits (1 for each molex) and then pairing the + - and virtual gnd of each one in the amp circuit terminal?
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 6 жыл бұрын
That would not work because, relative to ground, both 12v outputs are positive and usually come off the same point inside the supply. ATX supplies have a -12v out but it may be limited in current.
@shinaskhan123
@shinaskhan123 5 жыл бұрын
It's work's for TDA2030 AMPLIFIER CIRCUIT ?
@missile616
@missile616 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks I had been wondering how to run this amp board I had got a while back Never thought I would use it
@nathanjames5949
@nathanjames5949 5 жыл бұрын
I have a board that requires three rail ac supply. I have a 28vac transformer. is there a way to make it a 14-0-14 ac ?
@clee2423
@clee2423 5 жыл бұрын
you can re--build the transformer, or easier just to buy another
@TheAlbinand
@TheAlbinand 6 жыл бұрын
Hi, i have plans of building an amp out of from two or three bridged lm3886 for each chanel. They need +-28v for full output. I have a Meanwell 48v 600w single rail power supply. Would this work for this application and what values for the caps and restistors should i aim for? The power supply can be adjusted to 55v, which is is near enough the double of 28v.
@TheAlbinand
@TheAlbinand 6 жыл бұрын
The amps i'm planing to use are either this www.audiophonics.fr/en/amplifier-boards/audiophonics-apd85-amplifier-module-mono-lm3886-100w-8-ohms-p-4146.html or this www.audiophonics.fr/en/amplifier-boards/audiophonics-apd87-mono-lm3886-amplifier-module-150w-8-ohm-p-4145.html.
@IliyaOsnovikov
@IliyaOsnovikov 2 жыл бұрын
John, I have a split supply TDA-2050 stereo power amplifier board with build-in bridge rectifier and 4 x 3300 uF capactors (for both channels). Also I have kind of suitable power transformer with a single 30V (4A) winding without a center tap. I've got an idea to build for that amplifier a rail splitter using LM675 power opamp. That's a typical application for that device and it's shown in the 2013 Rev. of Datasheet for LM675 (Figure 3. Generating a Split Supply From a Single Supply). I have figured out this LM675 rail splitter can be easily assembled on the very same (LM1875) amplifier PCB that you have demonstrated in this video. Some parts would be omited, some - replaced with jumpers and some other - just relocated. And the 0.22 uF capacitor in the output Zobel circuit needs to be connected to a negative rail instead of a ground wire. I've got a question: Could that circuit be connected to a positive rail instead of the negative one? Such connection might be somewhat more convenient on this PCB. And what do you think about this whole idea?
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 2 жыл бұрын
If your TDA2050 board is just the two amplifiers without any other circuitry to cause an imbalance, you can balance the rails with just two resistors. The rail splitter would not be necessary. I made a single supply TDA2050 amp a few months ago. I have a couple videos about it on this channel.
@ideaninja14
@ideaninja14 4 жыл бұрын
hey, may i borrow your expertise on an amplifier project that I've been struggling with, somewhat related to this video? the premise is that I have a pair of amp chips, which usually run on 24VAC, but instead, im running them with 2x 24V meanwell DC power supplies, which i am running in series, with a center tap between the two power sources to be my virtual ground. The amp chips work fine, but I've cooked something when trying to connect a low pass filter chip, and/or the aux socket to the amp chip's input terminals. I'm pretty sure that because my virtual ground is at +24v, and the sleeve is true/chassis ground, there is a shorted potential. So, I've added DC blocking capacitors between the socket, and the virtual ground, and another one between the two signal ground terminals, and still, something is cooking. The low pass filter runs off the first power supply for +24 DC power, if that helps. Thank you for reading.
@ideaninja14
@ideaninja14 4 жыл бұрын
solved it! had the low pass filter on the negative rail and also had to ground the center node between the two power sources. now it works great!
@chenzhengbin
@chenzhengbin 6 жыл бұрын
Can I power a single supply amp with a dual supply?(+ input into live terminal and - input into neutral terminal)?
@superblondmale
@superblondmale 7 жыл бұрын
Hi John, it might be oversized, but what about using cheap audio amps like the TDA2030 as railsplitter?
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 7 жыл бұрын
That is fine if you need to balance the virtual ground due to DC loads from ground to a rail. The amp in my test didn't need balancing.
@clee2423
@clee2423 5 жыл бұрын
so, if I have 48v power supply, and i want to drive the amplifier that need at least 5A, what is the best value for the resistor
@gershomcalderon5895
@gershomcalderon5895 4 жыл бұрын
Sir can I do that on ac single 12 volts ac turn into 2 12volts ac?
@4everidle
@4everidle 7 жыл бұрын
Does VG connect between the two 1K resistors? I cannot make out if there is a dot where the wires cross.
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 7 жыл бұрын
Yes it connects.
@frankventura7306
@frankventura7306 6 жыл бұрын
Hi John. I have a 120 volts and want the output to be 60 volts each. Can you tell me the value of capacitor and wattage of resistor to be used..Thanks
@PeterAbt
@PeterAbt 5 жыл бұрын
what you have 120V where do you get these from? and what the heck do you plan to do with them?
@jismonpc7388
@jismonpc7388 4 жыл бұрын
Can I use this for TDA 2030 based amps?
@AdamTheAd-vanc3d
@AdamTheAd-vanc3d 6 жыл бұрын
How well does this work as far as noise and ripple are concerned , im asking as bought a similar kit recently thou was goimg to power it from an 15v ac to ac adapter .
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 6 жыл бұрын
You need to convert the AC to DC and use at least 6800uf capacitors to reduce the ripple.
@AdamTheAd-vanc3d
@AdamTheAd-vanc3d 6 жыл бұрын
JohnAudioTech Thankyou very much :-)
@Tbonyandsteak
@Tbonyandsteak 6 жыл бұрын
Have one question John. What if the Transformer amp is twice as much as needed? But the voltage fits Any solution to that, if so what is it? Like let say you need a dual 12 volts 30 va transformer. But the transformer is dual 12v 60 va. You proberly need a Resistance and a fuse. I just do not get that how Ohm law apply to this, Since the voltage and amp are already given.
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 6 жыл бұрын
Higher current is fine. The amp draws only the current it needs.
@Tbonyandsteak
@Tbonyandsteak 6 жыл бұрын
Oh Great thx for the answer
@manofmesopotamia7602
@manofmesopotamia7602 3 жыл бұрын
5:30 Different read because of two different resistors tolerance, if you used potentiometer, I believe you gonna get an equal read by adjusting the pot🤔
@timwilson3435
@timwilson3435 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for creating this!
@Thunderaudios
@Thunderaudios 4 жыл бұрын
Really this is work or not ?
@TeddehSpaghetti
@TeddehSpaghetti 6 жыл бұрын
I use computer PSUs for all my speaker projects, as it provides clean 12v's and loads of amps. Can I safely use this splitter board at higher wattages? I grabbed a cheap _IRS2092S 500W Mono Channel Digital Amplifier Class D_ and a 600w DC upconverter to feed it the 65v it needs. Now I have no way of powering it and I really don't want to spend 3x as much on a dual DC power supply... :^/
@kidcremezoo
@kidcremezoo 6 жыл бұрын
Hi john , i have a 48v 2A single power supply, do you think it would be safer to upgrade the two 1k 1W to 1k 5w resistor. as it would disipate heat quicker and stay cooler, am i right?
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 6 жыл бұрын
Let's do the math. You have two 1K resistors connected across the 48v supply to act as balancing resistors, right? If so, they are in series, so it is 2K ohms across 48v. To find the power dissipation, it is the voltage squared divided by the resistance 48^2/2000=1.152w. Each resistor is splitting the dissipation, so each one dissipates 576 milliwatts. This is well within the spec of a 1 watt resistor, so a 5 watt resistor upgrade is not necessary. Now, a split supply can become unbalanced with an uneven load causing more dissipation in one of the resistors. If this happens, the load would not qualify for this type of split power supply anyway.
@kidcremezoo
@kidcremezoo 6 жыл бұрын
Assuminf a typical 1W resistor has a max temperature of 150 deg C and that is the temperature it will be at full load (1w). So at 0.58W if we assume it temperature drop is linear, the temp will be 0.58 x 150 or about 87 deg Celsius. As power will be in this resistor all the time the amp is on, it will stay at that temperature. 87DegC is enough to give you a burn. Normally for exposed parts you don't want anything over 65degC. For longevity of the other parts electrolytic capacitors especially you want the temperaturte to be as low as possible. If this is correct, someone (Andrew Dutton more specifically) made me think that a higher power resistor is preferable as it will disipate heat quicker and stay cooler. Also this is considering i'm using a 48v and not a 15or 30v like you did in your video.
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 6 жыл бұрын
If you want to use 5w resistors, then by all means, use them. They will run cooler. At about 60% the rated capacity, the 1w ones will be fine. 1.15 watts won't be an issue for other components on a properly laid out board.
@kidcremezoo
@kidcremezoo 6 жыл бұрын
ok i might be a bit overprotectionist then.. thx for sharing your knowledge. priceless
@overdrive86
@overdrive86 7 жыл бұрын
If i'll use a 32V 1.5A supply, do I need to use 35V capacitors or can I use 25V capacitors? What are the cons if I use 2200uF instead of 4700uF?
@bernoinferno4389
@bernoinferno4389 6 жыл бұрын
You need capacitors that can cope with the voltage at the rails rather than the voltage from the main supply. Your split supply is likely to be +16 / -16 volts, but I would still use 25V capacitors for that scenario. (There are 16v caps, but you would be driving them at their limits and that's not advisable). A 'rule of thumb' I use it to use 2200uf per amp current. If your rails need 1A of current each (or less), then 2200uf is fine. If more than 1A per rail, I'd use the larger caps.
@overdrive86
@overdrive86 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your reply :)
@amitghosh6966
@amitghosh6966 6 жыл бұрын
Can this arrangement give the maximum output of tda2030 as in split supply?
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 6 жыл бұрын
Yes. Be sure to use large value capacitors so bass remains strong.
@Gersberms
@Gersberms 7 жыл бұрын
John, excellent video, thank you! However, am I right in thinking that, because of the limited capacity of the caps, low frequencies would distort sooner than high frequencies? It seems to me that low frequencies would move the virtual ground voltage up and down more than higher frequencies.
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 7 жыл бұрын
Exactly. You want to use large caps when doing this. Same size as a normal supply. 10mf is what I use for a small stereo amp.
@EngineeringEssentials
@EngineeringEssentials 7 жыл бұрын
JohnAudioTech can I use a TDA2050 to stabilize the virtual ground ?
@ToMiTj
@ToMiTj 7 жыл бұрын
Can this be done with larger amplifiers with larger power needs? I have two 150w amp modules that require dual rail supply.. and i have 48v 350w switch mode power supply so im wondering if something like this can be done on larger amps and power supplies?
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 7 жыл бұрын
In theory it should work. It depends if the amps draw any DC currents from virtual ground to rail to imbalance the VG. Rail splitting a 48v supply gives you +24/-24v which won't provide anywhere near 150w with normal speaker loads. You need two 48v supplies for each rail.
@ToMiTj
@ToMiTj 7 жыл бұрын
Well if im not wrong with 2x48v supplys connected in series , voltage betwen + and - would be way more than any component on the amp module can handle
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 7 жыл бұрын
Is the amp a bridged configuration? You would need around 110 volts supply (+/- 55v) to get 150 clean watts from an 8 ohm load or around 80v for 4 ohms for a single ended amp. A bridged configured amp would not need as much supply voltage. Beyond that, the power rating on a lot of amplifier modules are sheer fantasy.
@ToMiTj
@ToMiTj 7 жыл бұрын
www.aliexpress.com/item/Assembled-150W-150W-HIFI-Audio-Power-Amplifier-Clone-Marantz-MA-9S2-AMP-C5200-A1943/723120945.html?spm=2114.13010708.0.0.zxg86v This is the module i got.. I bought it mainly cause it has enough power for me with very low distortion.. All caps are 63v .. I asked seller if i need center taped transferomed and he replyed "not need, if have will be better" lol
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 7 жыл бұрын
You will need a center tapped transformer or one with two secondaries in order to make a dual supply for this amp. Amps would need +/- 55 volts at full load for that kind of power. 600 VA transformer is recommended for stereo amp. The 63 volt caps you see connect from rail to ground so they don't see the full rail voltage. I have doubts that all of the parts are authentic, so who knows how it will work.
@anwin85alon
@anwin85alon 7 ай бұрын
Pm me can you install do sola battery......
@researchandbuild1751
@researchandbuild1751 5 жыл бұрын
Not sure i understand the 1K. What if you need significant current? I guess the amp pulls its main current through each + / - leg and not through the 1k? But wont it still need to sink the current...i guess the cap gives it an AC sink though. Interesting circuit
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 5 жыл бұрын
Provided the DC current draw is equal on each rail and AC current draw is symmetric over a cycle, the circuit stays balanced. The resistors center the common rail.
@ruikazane5123
@ruikazane5123 6 жыл бұрын
Really man, you saved my life. But, could I use those on three(or four) TDA7293s on parallel mode? Use 10,000uf caps? 5w resistors?
@junchabeseu9007
@junchabeseu9007 6 жыл бұрын
Can i use that on the 12v car battery?
@electronics3992
@electronics3992 7 жыл бұрын
Will this work with tda7293 100w amp module from ebay
@PRIVATEBUSKERALA
@PRIVATEBUSKERALA 6 жыл бұрын
Hello sir. My amplifier board needs 12 v dual power supply. How it works using 12 v battery
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 6 жыл бұрын
You would need two 12v batteries or a switchmode power supply that provides the dual voltages.
@RandallDibble
@RandallDibble 6 жыл бұрын
Can you Bridge these Boards ?
@jptrainor
@jptrainor 6 жыл бұрын
You can get a TDA2030A kit, similar to what is seen on this video, for the modest sum of $1.22, shipping included. Rather amazing.
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 6 жыл бұрын
I tested a couple of these and they weren't that good.
@jptrainor
@jptrainor 6 жыл бұрын
@@JohnAudioTech Ah yes, now I see the exact kit you are testing and that it is not a TDA2030A, but an LM1875T for an equally modest $2.03. Equally amazing. But why does the board say TDA2030A and LM1875T? I guess either can be used?
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 6 жыл бұрын
I tested the LM1875 board but also a TDA2030A board and kit. The TDA2030A, 2040, 2050, 2051 and LM1875 use the same pin out and can be used on that board in the LM1875 video. You do have to take into consideration the supply voltage limits and slight changes in component values between the different ICs, but they can work on that board.
@shovon134
@shovon134 7 жыл бұрын
Hi jonh i am a fan of your video. Specially those of amps. On a microlab subwoofer i found a non center tapped transformer 2 diodes and 2 caps. There were 2 cable at secondary side. 1 cable was directly connected to one cap's positive and one cap's negetive and one cable was connected through two diodes to other negetive and positive of those cap's. If you understand what I mean. Sorry i am not on my pc so cannot give you the diagram right now. Now my question is this kind of symmetrical power supply is any good for the amp? I mean how the amp perform using this kind of supply? Thanks a lot. Keep up the good work.
@salmanmazhar9044
@salmanmazhar9044 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Really informative!
@patprop74
@patprop74 7 жыл бұрын
when you say it is an ac circuit, Do you mean if I was to get one of these boards I could power it strait from wall outlet ?
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 7 жыл бұрын
No, this is a DC supplied circuit. The signal that passes through to the output must be AC to keep the virtual ground voltage centered properly.
@ryantoomey611
@ryantoomey611 7 жыл бұрын
It is an AC circuit because the audio amplifier outputs AC voltage to the speakers.
@captainjim1010
@captainjim1010 5 жыл бұрын
I want to say thank you, i used an LM1875 with an old HP printer power supply (32v, 1560mA) and used your modification to get dual power. It works great, i wonder if i can use it to power up 2x 1875 or if it is too much. My speakers are 6Ω (small ones 2way)
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 5 жыл бұрын
If you like to turn it up loud with a lot of bass, it may be pushing the limit of the supply. Just remember the amp should be isolated from ground since there is 16 volts on the amp's circuit ground.
@captainjim1010
@captainjim1010 5 жыл бұрын
@@JohnAudioTech I understand. I think i will try and make a real dual voltage power supply with about 40V and 3-4 Amps. I hope this should be enough. Please don't stop making similar videos, i know a lot of people are asking for bluetooth 2.1 videos but i personally would like to see some speaker protection ones with circuits providing a 2-3 second delay, or even some with speaker crossovers. Thanks for all the things i learned from you so far.
@captainjim1010
@captainjim1010 5 жыл бұрын
@@JohnAudioTech I wanted to give some feedback, i connected the HP power supply (32v, 1560mA) attached to your circuit with the 2x LM1875 and it is working great. I played both of my speakers (good 2way bookself speakers) at high volume for an hour and the power supply doesn't get hot at all (just warm) which is surprising considering it is only a 1560mah power supply. Ofcourse i am not getting maximum RMS but it is very Loud already for my application (computer speakers). You were right about this little amp the sound is crispy, powerful and the bass is great. I get absolutely no hiss sound from the speakers neither any DC crackling sound when i switch on/off the amp. What a nice amplifier!
@panchalasamod9791
@panchalasamod9791 6 жыл бұрын
Isn’t this work without resistors??
@panchalasamod9791
@panchalasamod9791 6 жыл бұрын
@Popeye works great with combination of two power source..
@mikehensley78
@mikehensley78 Жыл бұрын
At 6:55 that's a charger for a T-800!
@BILL-2002hst
@BILL-2002hst Ай бұрын
It's made by Skynet....
@vikingsofvintageaudio7470
@vikingsofvintageaudio7470 22 күн бұрын
Hahaha
@adricklynn8882
@adricklynn8882 3 жыл бұрын
Immediately thumbs-upped the cat hell yeah
@MechanicForGMCCars
@MechanicForGMCCars 3 жыл бұрын
culd you help my? Im not good with electric devices I need somthing for my singel GM E core type ignition coil I want some thing similar to dual ignition ore waste spark I wuld like to have the posibility to chose my polarity for my ignition coil and to have externaly amplifier I have very hard time starting my engine in winter time aperantly my dashboard pisitive linear voltage regulator can not provide my enough power I do have a GM starter motor selenoid R terminal bypass wire but the fuse pop's I put it on the positive terminal on my ignition coil aperantly the polarity does not match with ignition coin input. So any ideas? culd I use dual relays ore dual 4 pin gm ignition modules to achive similar effects just like waste spark ignition system? No realy mather if the spark fire out side ore inside the engine only mathers to my what converter perform this task? And does that converter work if you directly put it on the alternator if you remove the bridge rectifier? I want independent ignition system with out the other crap for my clasic GM car. And Im experimenting with the polarity out put of a ignition coil there are some effects that I wuld like to study. Normal waste spark fiers - to compresion stroke + is fiered at exaust stroke . So I want to reverse that ore fire bouth + + ore bouth spark plugs - - to see what effects I can achive doing so. I hope you understand my question. Im cinde of trying to figure out how to increase my spark and probably figure out how to aplly oil cooling on my ignition coil those GM coils are nice but the wire harnest is shitty.So Im curiuse to know if there is a way to use alternator just for the ignition coil at full power awailabel ?Ore how to bypass linear voltage regulator in the dashboard and send full power to ignition coil ore replace that regulator with some thing bether? So any sugestions how to solve this problem?
@akepatinagaraju8564
@akepatinagaraju8564 5 жыл бұрын
watts about plz?
@awjaaa
@awjaaa 2 жыл бұрын
Someone likes his chewy bars.
@amitghosh6966
@amitghosh6966 5 жыл бұрын
I made a dual supply using two 1K 2Watts resistors and two 4700 capacitors and powered it with 24 Volts 2 Ampere supply but the power output was only 6 watts max before Clipping. I expected atleast 10 Watts
@TheAashishvideo
@TheAashishvideo 7 жыл бұрын
plz make a video on tda 7388
@God-yb2cg
@God-yb2cg 6 жыл бұрын
I know it's "youtube safe music" but are you sure isn't there anything better in the "youtube audio library"?
@JohnAudioTech
@JohnAudioTech 6 жыл бұрын
There are quite a bit of songs to browse through. I'm sure there are better tunes. It takes time to find good stuff.
@rgstever
@rgstever 5 жыл бұрын
It would be more effective to have two PSU's in series for your +/- voltage. Just make sure to unground them from the mains so they are floating.
@neferiusnexus
@neferiusnexus 5 жыл бұрын
Did you know you have coil whine in the audio for video? ... It's quite painful to hear xo
@funcraft3605
@funcraft3605 5 жыл бұрын
before I knew about this, I connected the sound to the v+ GND and v- and used dc power into the white connector. I got the speaker output right tho. LOL! So don't do that or else it goes on fire.
@upalimahinda6120
@upalimahinda6120 2 жыл бұрын
Great work what I need thanx.
Dual Rail Supply - Different Options for Negative Voltage
13:26
Electronoobs
Рет қаралды 90 М.
The BEST audio amplifier boards and kits tested so far
21:05
JohnAudioTech
Рет қаралды 301 М.
Wednesday VS Enid: Who is The Best Mommy? #shorts
0:14
Troom Oki Toki
Рет қаралды 50 МЛН
GIANT Gummy Worm #shorts
0:42
Mr DegrEE
Рет қаралды 152 МЛН
My power supply............
25:32
Electronics Repair School
Рет қаралды 32 М.
Class A amplifier kit - fixing the distortion problem
14:56
JohnAudioTech
Рет қаралды 113 М.
What Happens When You Wire Speakers Backwards?
7:51
Audio University
Рет қаралды 2 МЛН
{1172B} Non-Inverting amplifier using Single Power Supply
18:17
Haseeb Electronics
Рет қаралды 1,9 М.
The cheapest and simplest way of getting a negative voltage rail
9:38
How to use op amps with a single rail power supply
23:33
JohnAudioTech
Рет қаралды 96 М.
The BEST low cost audio amplifier boards I've tested
7:15
JohnAudioTech
Рет қаралды 160 М.
DIY Dual Rail Power Supply
6:11
Canadian Young Physicists’ Tournament
Рет қаралды 8 М.