Dual Tracking VS Quad Tracked Guitars...Which is Better?

[@selmics]

The quad tracking definitely makes the guitars more of a wall of sound. The only thing with quad tracking is that you had better play very consistently so as not to end up with a wall of mush. Great video

[@GaryHiebner]

Yeah so true. A good test to see how tight you can play. Depending on the riff and style sometimes a little bit sloppy works. Haha.

[@poulwinther]

Certainly not "the only thing" with quad. We've basically spent decades going from the 90's dense vacuum cleaner distortion to something much brutal, roaring and yet with much more clarity. All quad does to me is take it a step back again. Don't be afraid to use quite different tones left and right.

[@user-jq4fz6co8b]

Personally, I'm not big on straight-up quad rhythm tracks, but I do like using a bit of that just for a specific part of the riff that I want to accentuate or for a subtle layer of harmony/ad libs...something the ears may not catch on the first listen because it's low in the mix, but reveals itself when you listen to it more. I ADORE little parts like that.

[@modernmusicsolutions]

Thank you so much for checking this one out Gary! Blending the amps is one of my favorite ways to use this one!

[@GaryHiebner]

Yeah the amp model blend together well.

[@MattDTN]

Nice riff! Very catchy! Also glad to see more frequent vids! Keep Krushing dude!

[@GaryHiebner]

Yeah I've been a bit slow with videos over the last few months. But inspiration has hit more lately. Hahah!

[@jakey5418]

hey man, you are fucking great at what you do! keep it up!

[@GaryHiebner]

Awesome! Glad you enjoyed the video

[@jasonzdora]

Great work, man! Very good flow to the video, great production, no nonsense. Nicely done!

[@GaryHiebner]

Awesome! Glad you enjoyed the video.

[@yantra6365]

Thank you, this was a great lesson with a great real world example!

[@GaryHiebner]

Awesome, thanks!

[@EmilyCoffeyMusic]

Great video! That riff is GLORIOUS.

[@eternalcustomchannel]

Loving the vids Gary! Great visuals, great audio, great content! Keep it up man 💪🏼

[@GaryHiebner]

Great stuff! Glad you enjoy the content :)

[@hooligan1334]

I honestly will either use 6 or 8 tracks and pan from 100, 65, 45, 20. Yes the prerequisite of "you have to play clean and not mess up" is self evident but I find that it creates a full sound and already sounds well mixed.

[@GaryHiebner]

Damn, that all of tracks. I'm definitely gonna try that in a next song :)

[@t.schipper]

KZbin algorhythm engagement comment! :)

[@kyrorocks]

I used to quad track, then I turned 40. Too lazy these days. I do however quad track sometimes, often using a different guitar. For example, on my previous release I wanted the choruses to punch harder, double tracked with the Strandberg and then layered my Jazzmaster Baritone on them. Nice video bro! You are getting really good at this! Cheers

[@GaryHiebner]

Thanks KYRO. Nice combo. A Strandberg and a Jazzmaster.

[@AnthonyLambson]

Love this. Sixk geooves too brother

[@Caynug]

Nice! Although I didnt like how unclear it sounded with the 45% pan guitars, maybe with the levels at -16 it would be better to my ears. I love leaving room for the bass guitar to shine through, thats a different beast tho. Nowadays I double track bass guitars so I can do some panning and leave guitars at 2 takes hard left and right. Sounds super tight and heavy.

[@Caynug]

anyways! Great video my dude!

[@GaryHiebner]

Thanks man!

[@GaryHiebner]

Interesting on double tracking the bass. Haven't tried that. How do you pan the basses?

[@Caynug]

@@GaryHiebner the second bass is with eques out lows (not all but mostly) and with an imager 100% wet panned to both sides by about 50%-90%. The sound is mostly dirty clean. Main bass can be centred and fat as fk in the middle. I also like a 10% chorus on that fat bass for even more width to the double track. Ofcourse chorus only hits at 300hz and above on that fat bass track.

[@maplefoxx6285]

thanks for the tips!!! try quad tracking but elastique pitch down 1 whole octave a set of 2 of the tracks. just change the EQ slighly on the amp sims. that what they did for Holly Roller by Spirit Box using Nolly Amp sim only lol I have not done much quad tracking, I need to be able to play tighter still, been slacking on guitar the last few months cuz learning DAW and all these kontakt libraries.

[@GaryHiebner]

That's an awesome idea. Yeah I remember watching the URM video on how Holly Roller was mixed. Their producer is amazing.

[@MattDTN]

Can you do a video going more in-depth on pinning techniques? That would be helpful for myself and I am guessing a lot of people.

[@GaryHiebner]

Cool. Nice idea. Definitely

[@nafis6668]

The most natural and efficient way to create more width is just using two different pick material for each take. Instant 2 guitarist sound , instead of 1 guitarist recorded twice.

[@GaryHiebner]

Yeah thats a good idea.

[@nafis6668]

@@GaryHiebner combined with what you teached sir, the impact will be magnified

[@dougleydorite]

Have you ever found yourself having issues with dialing in tones on Studio One? You can’t link plugins so you have to dial it in mono then guess what it will sound like when you get to panning them back where they were… such a work flow killer

[@GaryHiebner]

Nope. I don't have any issues with Studio One.

[@dougleydorite]

@@GaryHiebner I’d like to know how you dial in your tone when using amp sims on individual tracks

[@arnyekxxx]

So 4 tracks is louder than 2 tracks

[@jann_rygh]

nice will try that with 4 - doing it normaly with 2 Tracks and changing the Tones a bit - did your 4 Track style back in the days when I recorded Singers. Nice Tone tho, love the CV ❤️‍🔥 which drums did you use if I may ask? Crushing Drumset 💥

[@GaryHiebner]

I use Slate Digital Drums and also combine it with Slate Trigger to trigger other drum samples

[@icaanul]

Simple: It depends on the composition.

[@pipespeeps5349]

Thats bass tho 🔥

[@allanlopez666]

Is that subsonic a baritone? Ive seen baritone subsonic models before and they are super rare.

[@GaryHiebner]

It's the Squier Stagemaster 7 string. I wish I had a Stagemaster Subsonic. Those are very rare.

[@diegonudelmanmusic5615]

I usually go for quad tracking, but I'm currently working on some symphonic black metal, and quad was a nightmare to mix with the synths and orchestra. Dual track was the way to go, especially since I hard pan the guitars to leave room in the center for the rest. Just curious, how good is Clairvoyant in comparison to Amplitube 5 ?

[@GaryHiebner]

Yeah Clairvoyant is very good. Especially for some Hi Gain Metal Tones. Personally I think Amplitube is better at clean and more overdriven rock tones.

[@diegonudelmanmusic5615]

@@GaryHiebner Thanks for your answer ! Yeah, I ended up trying (and ultimately buying) Clairvoyant. It’s indeed very good for Hi gain tones, much more modern and defined, with less hi-end fuzz. Like you say, I still use Amplitube for cleans with effects, but it can’t compete with Clairvoyant for hi-gain. I also really like the simplicity of the plugin, no 54236 amps to chose from, it’s actually refreshing.

[@karthikannigeri9458]

@@diegonudelmanmusic5615you want the best high gain tones, go for Neural DSP. They have a Gojira amp model and a Soldano amp model which are incredible. I own a Fractal Audio processor and while it offers more options in terms of effects and amps, I still find myself going back to the Neural DSP plugins now and then

[@syntaxed2]

Harsh highend and clickely drums like all modern shite.