My Approach to Guitar Layers

[@thetylersherman]

My GUY, growing up listening to your god-tier post-hardcore mixes I never thought I'd get this insight straight from the source. At this point, I will admit that I have picked up a lot of these tips either through hours of tutorial digging or hours of experimentation, but the sauce is all here, and clear, and from the man himself. Thanks Joey.

[@naiomicampbell99]

melodic death core

[@naiomicampbell99]

melodic death core

[@grantahart]

Pretty much exactly what I thought when I found out he had tutorials on KZbin!

[@Mikeyprs21]

This is the information I needed in my life. Always wanted to figure out how to layer rhythm guitars properly!

[@danizha212]

ikr, it's very hard to find these stuff for metal music around internet. That mono compatibility trick is what I needed

[@josephmartinez9988]

very hard to find anything metal and modern 😂💀

[@jmwicked]

Reaper "licensed for personal/small business use", eh ? 😅

[@luisendymion9080]

Good catch lol

[@videogamecoverss]

shhhhhh ;)

[@myyt4382]

Well this is sad to see tbh

[@JuanPabloGarciaGonzález-q8m]

I learn more in the 9 minutes your video last, than in years trying wrong ideas, SUPER GREAT VIDEO.

[@shredseeker8420]

Man, Sturgis is the frikkin god of metal mixing and tone. Toneforge Jeff Loomis changed my life. And this video was a game changer for my guitar sound, not just the double/quad tracking but also the use of atmospheric cleans and the use of effects to create texture. We bow in awe.

[@cagapaisso]

On a quad track recording I particularly like the blend between 2 tracks recorded on a bridge humbucker and 2 recorded on neck+bridge splited coils. Great blend with the seymor ducan sentient/nazgul.

[@nathanstatham]

This video is a wealth of knowledge! Probably one of the best channels out here!

[@carriesolomonmusic]

This was so helpful. I was wondering about quadruple layering in choruses too, and now I’m excited to do it and alter the tone a bit. Thanks!

[@joeymusic]

Glad it was helpful!

[@BJPriceMusic]

Do you hard pan all the tracks? Do you ever do like 80% left and right for specific stuff? Always was curious about that.

[@queentantrumofficial]

Your channel is helping me with my guitar production so much, thank you.

[@joeymusic]

That's awesome! Keep rockin!

[@aiRxShop]

Some of my favorite guitar layering is what Ken Andrew’s did on Failure’s Fantastic Planet… so good.

[@LucasMoscardini]

So many great tips in just one video! Amazing as always!

[@TheGlitterMovement]

Please make more of these. Like... so many. I'll give you a hug and a free song.

[@soundleague]

The song you featured in this video is BANGER! Very Scandinavian melodic style, love it.

[@samhardaker7698]

I would love to watch a live stream of Joey editing/mixing a song

[@jacee8094]

He did on nail the mix a bunch. He even did a more recent one with attack attack’s new song

[@smash_adams]

Nail the mix or Creative Live

[@Rickf_ohe]

I've seen it before

[@sanimoze31]

Count me in!

[@limi.]

second that 🙌🏻

[@gitarman666]

Great vid one of the best I’ve seen regarding multiple guitar tracking! As a studio and touring guitarist first from the late 70s hard rock 80s glam,metal and virtuoso and still playing I have always struggled with getting that big sound with separation definition and clarity God knows I have everything from radial for RE-amping, axe Fx and every plug-in emulator available, Ox box, Torpedo, tons of vintage heads and cabs some great mics But no goddamn patience! I’m also very interested in this Mutt Lange technique Thanks

[@Mylastday666]

I love guitar left high end thinner, right guitar high end like thinner, duplicate left and right then make the guitars more thick mid range and blend them in all together. 100/100 high end 76/76 thick end. 🤘

[@wyrlismike]

Great channel, my new favorite place to check out with a cup of joe

[@musicinsession]

Mann I just found this channel by chance... This is hands down my favourite mixing/producing channel! It's like watching a TV show and it is everything Nail the Mix should have been! Focused and to the point!!

[@Momointvland]

I’d be interested to see how you would mix a indie rock band.

[@pauliedibbs9028]

I never thought of processing my FX post-record on the DI... Thank you!

[@yellowdudewithedibleshorts]

This is pure gold man

[@brianleechee]

Thank you for the info! When quad tracking, do you hard pan guitars 3 and 4? Or do you bring them inward more? Maybe even expanded further out? Or do they sit on top of the already hard panned guitars 1 and 2? Thank you!

[@nikitalebedev6264]

This was very helpful. Noticed my mistakes right away. Thank you!!!

[@tobiaswhelan20]

I totally forgot that the amount of layers affect the size of the overall mix. I feel dumb after that one but this will help me so much!

[@timmy_team_6285]

Nice video! Trying to break into metal production and this helps alot. There are plenty of techniques I've used dozens and dozens of times before but its nice to see them being repeated here. Thanks!

[@joeymusic]

Glad it was helpful!

[@carlhands4686]

Awesome tips. Thanks man.

[@AhmetWinchester]

What would I do without these videos... But Joey, could you maybe do a video about the important balance between the Bass and guitars (especially in the more heavy-ish genres)? "The key to a great guitar tone, is the bass" is a quote I think I once heard in one of the many URM Academy videos on YT

[@steinnbjorn7627]

That's a treasure chest of information, thank you for sharing!

[@RussellFeatherstone]

Lots of good tips here!

[@yaoguangtang1759]

So good tutorial video.

[@ded_kishoved]

Thank you, Joey! Very informative video!👏

[@richardtorres4253]

Thanks dude this is so useful!

[@joeymusic]

Glad it helped!

[@Marin-nn1bg]

Great hints. Thanks

[@TheWizardArtist]

I love the tone you achieve with the guitar, it reminds me a lot of Cathedral! Cheers!

[@pogo_369]

Great Video!! Thank You!

[@domigrin4886]

You‘re awesome! Thank you!

[@joseferro1432]

Wow! Thank you for this GREAT video! This opened my ears to create better-sounding guitars in my songs. Mucho Thanks!!

[@ZeroaddoneMusic]

The lead guitar section was SUPER useful - thanks Joey! I'd been struggling with lead guitars so this helps give me a little bit of a foundation to come up with something unique. Thanks again!

[@PooNinja]

The thickening 🤘🏽

[@Carryusaway_]

Sounds amazing Joey thanks

[@MelaMindfreak13]

REALLY COOL VIDEO!

[@dvddymusic]

Fantastic Video! Thank you!

[@frostik0303]

Thanks for the tips Joey!

[@denisherry]

Always usefull tips, thanks JST!

[@sadip_st]

Hey man,really loved your way. Could you please explain that rhythm section chop in a brief. Thanks.

[@Palm9797]

the song itself is amazing

[@carterbryantbanks]

Man, I really gotta stop watching your videos while I’m on a timeline…now I gotta go quad-track a chorus 😢

[@jedigarrett142]

I always quad track my rythem guitar tracks for the chorus and then double track in the verse

[@thelostboymusic]

Excellent - thank you

[@unknownkreator1295]

Nice video! Very helpful 👌👌

[@voronOsphere]

Helpful Lesson! Thanks!!!

[@Afurthyclays]

This man speaks fcking truth to power! 🤘

[@charlesrocks]

Joey giving away all the secrets.

[@throughmists]

Great info here, for sure

[@proddreamatnight]

The single note chord building, insaneeee

[@boarderking133]

Read: lazy guitar technique

[@rmp5s]

I mean...or you could learn how to play...

[@ZacharyDial]

8:57 - That man right there is a God among men

[@metalheadblues]

This is AMAZING!

[@kshitijk14]

These were some cool tips!!

[@manugentoodrums]

Joey the Legend!

[@captainhaydenpeterson]

Wait, was that “All My Life” by Attack Attack! I heard?? 👀

[@nicodavis7667]

Yes!

[@80Facepalm08]

The man the legend the vst plug-in...

[@KiraPlaysGuitar]

Thanks dude.

[@samuelbassani1845]

Awesome video! Btw, how do you do that mouse selection around 1:45?

[@majesticpbjcat7707]

Using that high end Gio. Nice👌

[@arsenije_wav8620]

Most of these tips are amazing, but I'm really against hyper-polishing a mix. Takes should not have to be cut up that much to be acceptable and line up

[@cultistsash]

I feel like it comes down to the musician at that point.

[@jomesias]

Yep I feel the same! Editing is a shortcut for not getting the takes right. Unfortunately, this is how records are produced nowadays 🥲🥲

[@DennisRyan27]

That’s just not true, I can play every part I write but can I do it perfectly like a machine ? This technique is to get perfection , if you don’t want a perfect take and want a more natural feel don’t edit . Of course the less editing the better the player needs to be but it all comes down to how perfect you want it. I like my recordings to sound like I’m a robot 😎

[@theneighborguy]

Fair point, but another is what sound are you going for? A live garage band vibe or a tight production? Both are valid.

[@SWEMartin]

Great video. Any suggestions how to approach guitar layers and pan for rhythm guitars on verser if the guitars play harmonies for melody notes during the riff but falls back on the same "chugg base note" in between? Like old school In flames etc. Does this require 4 layers, two for each harmony and panned like L100 R 75 for one of them and R100 and R75 for the other or something since you still want the harmony notes to be clearly panned to each side

[@steeverock7672]

when you quad track, do you pan all of them hard left and right, or you spread along the pan ?

[@amidcossio3508]

a goldmine!

[@CFox.7]

Anyone know what Reaper theme this is ?

[@Landeux]

Awesome! Quick question! If you have 2 guitarist doing different riffs, do you double them, hard pan? Then merge and Pan those 2 performances L R?

[@djskab3800]

Dat kul man 👌🏻

[@chrise229]

For me the biggest challenge when it comes to double tracked guitars is mono compatibility. For some reason my guitars seem to disappear in mono, even when they sound very different. I know I'm not alone with this, many people seem to have the same issue on forums. When I switch to mono, suddenly the snare and the vocals jump out waaay too much. Any advice?

[@ajs787]

My understanding is it's kind of the nature of the beast. Panloss settings can affect this from what I've heard. But a surprising amount of professional tracks disappear in mono. Listen to your favorite metal tracks and see how they do in mono. It's actually quite surprising. Another thing you can do is switch out what cabinet you're using for each track, which is really only possible if you're doing it with amp sims like Joey. Another thing to keep in mind: the vast majority of people are going to be listening to the song stereo.

[@ajs787]

Pan law was what I meant

[@Windiguana]

What theme are you using in Reaper?

[@MATIX720]

This is gold! 🤘😁 and... that's reaper? What skin? 😯

[@Kryptonian.oficial]

The master of production ! Thanks for all.

[@grantahart]

Please make Toneforge available on the M1 chips! 😫

[@DommoDommo]

The quad tracking sounded so good, every time I try it, it seems to thin out the sound significantly. I noticed yours were called OCTAVE L/R are they just pushed up 12 semitones or are they actually played an octave above?

[@Rendydany]

you can use the exact same DI and lower it by 1 octave then apply the same fx chain with a bit of variation

[@acklin83]

I'd like a tutorial on how you setup reaper to be so pretty!

[@pattysmusic524]

Mutt Lange method? No thank you! That sounds like so much work. Anyways, this video is packed with so much helpful info, thanks Joey.

[@LostSaga777]

I love u joey !

[@R-SXX]

2:09! Attack Attack!

[@lusiouse]

are all of the pannings hard left and right ? for leads also?? thanks

[@user-hr1rw7zy4i]

great video especially about the tape/foam - any products on the market for this?

[@stateofchrysalis5483]

Gruv gear sells stuff for $20 or more, but I've found that a velcro cable tie with the loop side on the strings does the same job, and you can get a huge roll of them for the same price. But the specialized products are more aesthetically pleasing. Don't forget the tremolo springs as well.

[@papageorgio]

sweet thank ya

[@Whamesl0l]

How would you go about panning the guitars where there is 2 distinct guitar parts? Such as harmony guitar riffs etc? I get the double track each guitar and pan L+R but how would this work for harmonies that are panned L+R without having both parts of the harmony in both ears? Hopefully I've explained this well enough 😅

[@worksofein6449]

I think 12 guitar layers may have been my maximum. Usualy 4 - 6 is normal for me. I always struggle to get ambient cleans to cut through the distorted guitars though.

[@Li0n729]

how did u drag that track in mutt lang method? mine doesnt work. pls help

[@stephenfell4338]

The double track performance dropping back a few ms with different mics were to I buy this from?

[@luxaband]

do you have channel for private discussion or something brother ?

[@luxuriousfir]

Gold

[@armfourteen]

yo the CHON homies! we're still waiting for their new music!

[@francisgarde]

Joey in Reaper? Is this the real lyf?

[@jojostar96]

What would you suggest for a verse where it’s basically just the rhythm part and bass with no lead guitar? Think like the first verse in Run Away by For All Those Sleeping

[@JayOneAlumni]

How did you get reaper to look like that? I have the same theme I think but your colours are more vibrant

[@bboymac84]

Hey Joey! How you been?

[@guitarcleveland]

How come when I record guitars they sound terrible and quiet hard panned left and right, but sound good when panned like 75% or less?

[@jose.a.r.1031]

Anybody know the song around 7:58? Melodic stuff!

[@TJ_Eternal_Argonaut]

Weird question, but which Reaper theme is this? I love it

[@joeymusic]

Smooth 6

[@TJ_Eternal_Argonaut]

@joeymusic thank you!!

[@peteroxx]

Do you double track at once or in separate takes?? Or phase cancel issue?

[@fuzzypanocha]

Man i cant find it anywhere and i dont know.where i heard it but if you record at center and then pan after doesnt that cause a loss in definition. Shouldnt you record at 100 percent left and after that record again at 100.percent right

[@lenni-hazels]

This doesn't make a lot of sense since a dry guitar (without fx) is a mono signal that can then be panned in a DAW.