Dualism and Solipsism - Philosophy of Mind I

[@PhilosophyVibe]

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[@dawnwatching6382]

Somehow I always find it funny how George goes on explaining for minutes at a time, then John finds an immediate refutation and George just goes "yes, I agree" 😂

[@KittyBoyPurr]

I wish I could refute people like that too.

[@RAXN12]

No different from Socratic dialogues

[@angelthman1659]

Because it's an atheist channel disguised as a philosophy channel.

[@griddxi]

@@angelthman1659 they are just following a script to make the viewer understand every point of view so they can make up theyr mind

[@kabirnigam4807]

"Im just interacting with the reality Im in..."

[@wssometimesavowel3639]

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[@MrAvidLearner]

😂

[@timm6175]

Woah

[@jasongeter9653]

Great line

[@UN1VERS3S]

I combine dualism and monism. The mind and the body are seperate things, but they're connected. What the mind thinks affects the body, and what the body feels affects the mind.

[@jasonzheng976]

You guys really get tough philosophical problems easily understood！

[@PhilosophyVibe]

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[@agnosticevolutionist3567]

This is on the psychotic level.

[@hanamzhr]

Was trying to understand dualism since so long, there were always so many doubts. but you guys just answered all my questions!! Thank you, this is a great video !!

[@PhilosophyVibe]

Thank you, so glad we could help!

[@karmia6649]

Just simply imagine, everything happens twice, first mentally and then reality. Pure dualism.

[@allenmorgan4309]

Subjective reality, thoughts, feelings, are not real but are products of our perception of objective reality. If an evil doctor lied to us and told us we were about to die we would become afraid and worried but then if we got a second opinion and found out the truth our thoughts and feelings would change.

[@cathalg312]

I recommend watching House MD Season 3 Episode 14 "Insensitive". It addressed the point of whether another does actually feel pain if hurt or if the observer is actually just believing they are hurt by the guest star being a patient with a congenital insensitivity to pain (CIPA). The patient who was in a car crash with her mother and both were injured. The doctors are only interested in studying a patient with a rare condition so they poke and prod her to see where it hurts. The patient is only interested in her mother so she tries to fake pain to get the tests or of the way sooner and the doctors believe that when she screams she's in pain but she's not...

[@mammadingo9165]

Good episode 👍

[@santosh99samuel]

Audrey Hepburn in funny face would claim empatheticism 😂😂😅

[@inthemomenttomoment]

Although we appear separate in mind & body we meditate to achieve True Oneness overcoming involuntary forces thus bringing IT into the True Harmony of Spirit and Matter or Pure Energy & Clean Body.

[@zaveeramini9712]

One thing to be aware of here 08:00 is that your body is also part of the outside world in question in solipsism.

[@jbezteman5618]

the best argument to destroy any vague theory. ❤❤❤

[@hossamali9016]

You can doubt everything but inferring the existence of other minds existing should be good enough, not to establish philosophical truths but to deal with the world in the most utility. We are well aware of the problem of inference and its lower status to a deductive argument yet its the next best thing and simply doubting it without a cause or the next best thing (an alternative) can be a good mental exercise yet living that way is impossible,

[@happierabroad]

Another possibility is shared solipsism, which is that there are a few real people or real souls in this matrix or dream, but most people are NPCs. Matt from the Quantum of Conscience channel talks about this and that's why most people are not awake at all.

[@jessemartin1876]

So I guess George and John reversed their positions on solophsism on this video

[@SabiazothPsyche]

In accordance to my experience, the mind is immaterial, that which is all awareness and non-affected/non-effected. It is perpetual awareness; unchanging, and yet, approachable.

[@savagepatience]

Brain scans can show that two people, experiencing the same pain (say the "hand in ice water experiment") have activity in the same part of the brain. We are getting close to being able to prove that people have the same experience of consciousness.

[@madelynhernandez7453]

Thats not solipsism.

[@asawmaralte7051]

one of the best channels

[@PhilosophyVibe]

Thank you very much!

[@dragonsword343]

Thank you for explaining epiphenomenalism so neatly! It's been a while since I've heard such a refreshing and easily-digestible description. However, I do have the following remark: it seems that your illustration of epi. is also compatible with panpsychism. We can share some sort of platonic realm of thoughts accessed by shared mental states, desires, beliefs, etc. However, the physical change in itself is restricted by material circumstances. This version of (weak) idealism works around Leibnizian problems of mental entities moving physical objects while maintaining a congruence of epi. and panpsychism.

[@PhilosophyVibe]

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[@MrAvidLearner]

Thank you for putting this together

[@PhilosophyVibe]

You're welcome, thanks for watching.

[@agnosticevolutionist3567]

Pain and suffering are the only things that exsists nothing else does .

[@jackmallory7996]

"The solipsist flutters and flutters in the fly glass, strikes against the walls, flutters further. How can he be brought to rest? " - Wittgenstein. A bit of fly spray might help.

[@BooksInSeconds]

I am not a student of philosophy but for 17years of my life I have wondered much in line with solipsism so I was very much elated to hear that there are people who have put forward this theory you can never prove the validity of other's people existence that's why we're only present in the reality around us. for example, if something is going on here I can only know about it for the period I'm here the moment I step out of this place, I can't know about anything that happened without being present unless someone tells me if I'm operating on the point that I'm a single entity.. how do I know that the moment I leave there anything happens at all? how do I know that the action doesn't stop the moment I leave? how do I know I'm not the only real being on earth because I logically can only validate my reality? how do I know the entities I meet are not just moulds for my world? most times it can feel like the world is revolving around me when I die how do I know that the world doesn't go with me? or do we just have individual worlds? all these are my grounds for solipsism you can answer my questions but can't give PROOFS because we can never proof beyond what we know, we can only infer and I don't see inference as a strong ground to accept something as "truth" I still have a lot of questions, like I said earlier I'm not a Philosophy student but I am philosophical by nature. Edit: great by the way Definitely subscribed

[@PersuasiveEuthanasia]

You said everything I pondered

[@greenbud8946]

So glad to know that I’m not alone with these solipsistic feelings.. Or am I?????

[@karmia6649]

“I am who I am” means other things can be real or illusion.

[@karmia6649]

Everything happens twice. First mentally and then in reality.

[@YahuahSonDream]

Can you give an example

[@griddxi]

fr, what do you mean?

[@cjdabes]

Great stuff guys, really like the channel. I wonder if Max Stirner will show up in any way at some point ;)

[@PhilosophyVibe]

Thank you very much. A video on Nihilism, and Existentialism is on the list. The research hasn't been done yet but I suspect Max Stirner will definitely come up.

[@feliped2443]

Made it more digestible to understand, great video

[@PhilosophyVibe]

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[@mike_qt]

Excellent video, I really love this channel.

[@PhilosophyVibe]

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[@beefwellington2945]

Based, thanks for making these interesting and thought provoking videos. I really appreciate it!

[@PhilosophyVibe]

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[@bigdaddypimping]

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[@rickcoyote2361]

Thank you gentlemen.

[@PhilosophyVibe]

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[@dionakgamer7769]

I am not the mind, the intellect, the ego or the memory, I am not the ears, the skin, the nose or the eyes, I am not space, not earth, not fire, water or wind, I am the form of consciousness and bliss, I am the eternal reality(god) I am devoid of duality, my form is formlessness, I exist everywhere, pervading all senses, I am neither attached, neither free nor captive, I am the form of consciousness and bliss, I am the eternal Reality itself(the god)

[@DRAWDAILYchannel]

The finite is in the infinite. Otherwise the infinite would be. As such the mental permeates the physical. There are two distinct sides of a single thing. 🤴🏿

[@realpsknow5338]

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[@PhilosophyVibe]

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[@amphimrca]

Is mind produced by body...or if they are separate things what produced mind??

[@The1Helleri]

But the mind does have physical mass. It's called a brain. Including the electrons that pulse through neurons as action potentials when they receive a chemical signal from another neuron. If the right proportions and sections of a brain had pieces sliced out. That brain will no longer have the memories associated with what was sliced out. Because the neural pathways that comprise the physical state of the memories are missing. Not even everything we know how to do is tied to memory. For instance having cut out all of a person's memories of having caught balls. A person could still reflexively catch a ball. Because relaying the decision to move the required muscles and catch a ball entirely bypasses the brain and informs it after the fact (otherwise it would be too slow to be effective). Of course it could remove a person awareness of having caught a ball once it happens and leave them quite confused as to how a ball ended up in their hand.

[@whoknew4722]

Your first paragraph is mostly correct. The 2nd paragraph makes several assumptions, some aren't correct. What we know: we have several classes (types) of memories. If somehow you "cut out all of a person's memories of having caught balls" -- this would remove only their experiential (episodic) memories (those of past events, such as of catching a ball, maybe at a game last weekend). Removing such episodic memories would **not** impact any memories used in motor control (which reside in several very different areas, including the basal ganglia, cerebellum & others).

[@The1Helleri]

@PsyMan Magus X You have that ass backwards. There is ONLY evidence that the brain is the cause of consciousness. Because: 1) No one has demonstrated a mind that exists absent a brain. 2) We have shown direct correlation between happenings in the brain and mind states/changes in state (i.e. we can image the brain and activity therein and show the relationship between that data and conscious states). 3) Demonstrable states of mind cease when brain function does. While there is theory craft that it may extend beyond the brain. There is no evidence (logical possibility is not evidence) that has been put forward and is either not falsifiable and verifiable or has not been debunked already. That is not to say that the mind does not exist outside the brain. Only that it has not been shown to be the case. We don't have evidence for it. But we also don't have evidence against it. Which isn't to say that it's even possible. Just that it is neither worthy of consideration or ruling out at this point.

[@amphimrca]

​@QuantumFieldAgentLeManyou nailed it 100%🏋

[@abdirahman4015]

Excellent guys.

[@PhilosophyVibe]

Thank you :)

[@ashleigh-hc2vy]

so do occasionists etc all branch from dualism?

[@jasongeter9653]

Great video

[@PhilosophyVibe]

Thanks!

[@crokobos]

Hey can I have the image in the thumbnail with the good looking guy smiling about his exposed head or something? Thanks!

[@santosh99samuel]

Who's here because they watched Audrey Hepburn spout these funny words in Funny face (1957) ?

[@Jalcolm1]

Primo Levi, Auschwitz survivor and chemist… “Chemistry led to the heart of Matter, and Matter was our ally precisely because the Spirit, dear to Fascists, was our enemy.” We have to abandon substance dualism, because it’s silly. There’s less than meets the eye.

[@hzmuhabbet]

After a certain point, solipsism leads us to nihilism.

[@nduduzogasa5289]

Wow, I see some witnesses of Jehovah in that train station pic after solipsism 6:31

[@jasonzheng976]

good jobs!

[@fernandobernardo6324]

Science no longer considers the mind as something separated from the rest of the body. We need much more then just the brain to be who we are mentally.

[@maab5374]

this was greaaaatttt!!! coming from a philispohical zombie ehehehe. Speaking of put a jumpscare warning AHAHA

[@commonsense8931]

I thought of this a few days ago,and I was like mhh🙃

[@eliyanology4046]

what do you mean "the mental can not affect the physical"? enlighten me please because i think it affects tho

[@ghanaria7996]

The example they gave was moving your arm. Your arm moved due to muscles, not your mind. Your mind may have wanted it to move, but the muscles are what dictated it. And whether your mind told the muscles, a study was supposedly shown (idk what study or where) that your body moves ahead of what a person wants to do by (in the video it says 2 seconds) a short time, therefore, your mind is not in control of your body because the electric impulses activate at least 2 seconds before you even know what you were going to do. I remember someone a long time ago said to me it was like a 10 second delay, and therefore the argument against free will was likely to a certain extent. That your body already knew what it was going to do in the very near future, and that your mind has no control over it.

[@StackBrains]

My hypothesis is that there's something in the universe that we can't perceive with our limited senses. This thing can be stimulated somehow in order to manifest perceptions (qualia) such as feelings, sensations, vision, touch etc. I believe that this thing is probably pretty stupid but it has some intrinsic properties and capabilities, such as being able to see colors, hear sounds, feel different sensations etc. The brain could then be just the stimulator of this thing, and when it ceases to work, this thing is not stimulated anymore, therefore it still exists but it has no perceptions or self awareness. Self awareness is only possible with a powerful brain attached to it, capable of logically observe the outer and inner reality and to understand the human experience to a certain degree. This thing could be stimulated to feel and get knowledge in the form of thoughts, but it's the brain doing all the work. The evolutionary advantage in this case would be the entrapment of an entity that doesn't want to feel pain and wants comfort, satisfaction and happiness, inside a giant organism composed of billions of microparticles that will hopefully survive since it's in the best interest of the entrapped entity. I feel like the body and the brain are making us perceive and feel whatever they want us to feel and perceive, and they've always done that for evolutionary purposes (by natural selection). Now we have reached a level of knowledge and awareness that is so high that we feel a detachment from our basic survival instincts, and it feels like we're pure souls stuck inside a material body. But, if we agree on this hypothesis, we wouldn't be aware of anything if it wasn't for our brain and body, we would just exist and there would be no "we" since the sense of self is constructed by our brain. A more philosophical way to put it is that our aware self is something that exists everywhere in the universe, and it could probably form spontaneously at any time from different laws of physics that we still don't understand, but it can't be perceived with our material limitations since they are bound to macroscopic known physics. There's a promising theory by Penrose that tries to explain consciousness as a phenomenon in the realm of quantum mechanics. Maybe the entity that is able to feel and perceive things does not exist without the brain, but its composition makes it possible for specific still unknown laws of physics to unfold in order to create an habitat for this kind of entity. In that case it would probably die when the brain does, but we are not that entity. That entity would be like a can of fuel, if you burn it it ceases to exist as fuel, but if you decide to fill it again with fuel, you would still have the same can of fuel, because fuel does not have any distinct intrinsic property that would make it different from an identical copy of itself. The same thing with this entity, the brain is the one that makes you be who you are, but this entity is also the place where life truly is, along with its perceptions, feelings, memories, sounds, colors, smells etc. I don't find this theory too woo woo, since everything would probably be explainable by the laws of physics, but naturally this is just me wondering and trying to imagine what life and consciousness is all about, because I can't find a good explanation that makes sense

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[@rudigerk]

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[@PhilosophyVibe]

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[@OutsidersRo]

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[@whoknew4722]

Many errors in this video. It doesn't agree with known neuroscience. For example the video said our thoughts are not made of any material. That is false. Our thoughts are the electrochemical interactions between neurons. They ARE the neurotransmitters AND ions that flow BETWEEN neurons (in synapses). Our thoughts ARE made of materials. What's unique is, the materials comprising our thoughts are always in motion (that's why a thought doesn't stay for long - because its constituent materials dissipate/diffuse).

[@subhradeepganguly1740]

How would a computer work if data is not loaded into the ram? Same with the brain ig... There's a part that acts like the ram and extracts information in segments from another part(disk)...just because we can't distinguish that partition doesn't mean that it doesn't exist! We're just sequentially automated bots that learn from our experiences with the ability to compute on our own!

[@CovertGamer987]

I can prove that the mind and body are separate. Consider this argument (modus tollens): 1.) If your mind and your body are not separate, then it would not seem possible that you (your first-person consciousness) could have had another body, such as having a body of a dog or a dolphin. 2.) It does seem possible that you (your first-person consciousness) could have had another body, such as having a body of a dog or a dolphin. 3.) Therefore, your mind and your body are separate.

[@scottgray3345]

it wouldnt be a you and a zombi but thee CPU, AI and thee self, wrestling with GOD with GOD as GOD in CHIST CONSCIOUSNESS, so basically paradoxalisticall wrestling with your own mind algorically algorhythmatic to cause and effectually distortion ones reality based off ones fears or perception then to ones reality to test thee mind, body, soul and spirit and create that creation into expandable reality based on all things collective then that may become heavon. SOG

[@Richie_roo]

Here I'm thinking that I'm the only mind that exists, sorry guys

[@Ornan-fb7de]

This video scared the shit out of me

[@anasmith5834]

All is SELF.

[@danskiver6819]

As someone who believes everything has a tripartite nature I believe dualism is a false or incomplete dichotomy.

[@mongoose621]

I just googled the meaning of tripartite. But can you put it into context for me so I can understand better your theory please, sounds interesting. Thanks.

[@mew9985]

Please expand on lifes tripartite nature. Its dichotomous nature has become apparent to me, intellectuals and religion. Im curious what your take is here

[@mikecappadocia5959]

Would seeing someone die be evidence of some kind of mind leaving the body? No longer inhabited?

[@Rspknlikeab0ssxd]

I wrote a paper on substance dualism which was presented at a conference this semester. I briefly mentioned that when we die our observable consciousness ceases to exist, meaning there had to be something there that made us conscious in the first place, which I argued was the immaterial mind.

[@mikecappadocia5959]

@@Rspknlikeab0ssxd I guess the big question is how did it get there, and where does it go ?

[@Rspknlikeab0ssxd]

@@mikecappadocia5959 Yes, that really is the big question. If you don't postulate a God into the argument (which I didn't, and haven't needed to yet) then I'm not quite sure how I'd adamantly define where it comes from and goes to, but of course posturing a God requires a good deal of defending in itself. But what I think is important is that there's nothing physical whether in the brain or in The world that should or can explain consciousness/qualia, so it seems something else has to be doing it, which I believe is the mind or soul etc. But that could still be wrong, but it seems right to me as of now.

[@mikecappadocia5959]

@@Rspknlikeab0ssxd I like that philosophical idea that consciousness is the universe experiencing itself subjectively. Then I think about how things like emotions are products of the universe or big bang like the elements are. But that almost leads to a god idea because how and why would that happen...? It could just sort of "be" that way. Just an idea

[@kx7500]

No because there’s no evidence of it being there to begin with

[@maris2353]

And that is me

[@isabelbeltrandmdicf7049]

La voluntad para los excistencislistas

[@commonsense8931]

But when someone described the exact state of my mind which proves that they have a mind.

[@Rugbiii]

No it doesn’t

[@KittyBoyPurr]

Solipsism is the conclusion of mind-body dualism, so Mind-Body dualism is absurd and false.

[@calebsinger6665]

Who is real

[@_BobaFett_]

It’s neither provable nor disprovable.

[@basseton]

Cannot concentrate because of coffee maker :(

[@johnnycampell8519]

Well...Ive created a really fucked up world.

[@commonsense8931]

Gg