Dumb Decisions: The STUPIDEST TIMEOUT EVER | Eastern Michigan @ Arizona State (2022)

Herm Edwards is no longer the head coach at Arizona State following an upset loss to Eastern Michigan. And if there's any one play that sums up his tenure with the Sun Devils the best, it was his awful timeout called at the end of the first half of that game, which he had no logical reason to call. This is a breakdown of that dumb decision
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[@DolFan316]

EMU actually returning that punt for a score would've been the single most hilarious play in the history of football at any level for all time.

[@luvdady]

Well 😆 being from Ypsilanti and being an alumni . Yeah back in the 80's they were so bad they were going to kick Eastern outta the Mac. They tied toledo and tore down the goal posts... Yeah 😆 a tie was a win. But emu and the Mac play hard .

[@msuspartan2016]

@@luvdady grew up in ypsi as a kid going to EMU games all the time. I thought they were ‘OK’ and then I cross town and went to the big house. BOYYY does EMU suck, then, today, and always 😂

[@luvdady]

@@msuspartan2016 hey now we're going to bowl games now

[@Shaman196]

@@msuspartan2016 I grew up in Ypsilanti and I remember Eastern winning the MAC and going to the California Bowl.

[@CyberchaoX]

Herm Edwards of all people should know the dangers of running a play when you don't have to run a play...he was the cornerback who scored the winning touchdown for Philadelphia in the "Miracle at the Meadowlands", which legitimized the quarterback kneel (which was previously seen by some as dishonorable, and furthermore, at the NFL level, the rule that allowed the QB to immediately end the play by kneeling didn't exist so the defense still had to contact the ball carrier to end the play even when he was giving himself up) and led to the creation of the "victory formation" in which to run said QB kneel.

[@josephhouk6703]

I was gonna say - he was the reason why we have "Victory Formation" nowadays.

[@brucedavis3816]

Exactly!!!

[@DuckOfRubber]

In fairness, the best case scenario with the punt is a EMU fumble.

[@orionparish9858]

Herm forgot his own motto (and still top 3 NFL meltdowns of all time. Fite me anyone who says otherwise); "You play to win the game!"

[@jamesj125]

Watching him coach the Chiefs, we knew in 06 to 08 he wasn't a good coach.

[@matthewbolin9646]

I think you may be right. I think the top three (in no particular order) are: 1. You play to win the game! 2. Crown their ass! 3. Playoffs? Playoffs?!!

[@orionparish9858]

@@matthewbolin9646 Oh no. "Playoff?!" Is forever #1.

[@higgy04]

'Hello!!'

[@pastramionrye247]

You play ... to punt the ball!

[@mjreilley4life]

I guess it’s safe to say JaguarGator8 is not on speaking terms with ASU’s compliance director if he is willing to go on record and say he is incompetent 😂

[@82dorrin]

Plot twist: JG9 is the Compliance Director.

[@JaguarGator8]

Last year, he told me, direct quote, that NIL wasn't his problem I wish I was making that up

[@thomascrowley9122]

@@JaguarGator8 That's a fireable comment

[@dustinsindledecker154]

More like his coaching was dogshit.

[@lambert581]

@@JaguarGator8 Have you ever thought of doing an NFL What If series? Like What if Cleveland had kept the Browns. Or What if The Immaculate Reception was ruled in The Raiders Favor & they played Miami

[@roguegust8832]

The irony of this is that Herm Edwards is the reason the victory formation exists.

[@Vanilla0729]

Oh crap, Is he the same Edwards? I live in Phoenix and never made that connection!

[@nate_kang]

HAHAHA YEAH the miracle in the meadowlands. the irony is fantastic

[@82dorrin]

Plot twist: JG9 _is_ the ASU Compliance Director.

[@a.grimes4202]

No wonder he knows him personally.

[@jordandennis6794]

😂😂

[@theringcollector7738]

Herms answer is even dumber because in college football the clock stops after a first down to reset the chains, why not make sure you got the first down before calling the timeout, you won't lose time if you wait

[@lewalcindor9356]

Exactly. If you thought you had the 1st down your team should be hurrying to the line to spike the ball as soon as the clock restarts instead of blowing a timeout.

[@troylee5273]

That’s what he meant when said he called TO too soon

[@lewalcindor9356]

@@troylee5273 there was no need to call a timeout at all.

[@brucedavis3816]

Right!!!

[@salukidc]

I came here to say that. Wow

[@stuartdollar9912]

As an ASU alumnus, In fairness, Edwards was cooked at some point this season anyway. EMU merely pushed up the timetable. Athletic Director Ray Anderson needs to go with him.

[@mikeroagreschen5350]

The other thing is that if they had a first down, the clock would have stopped until the chains were moved.

[@TheSonicsean]

Wait, but it gets worse. This is an NCAA game, if the Sun Devils HAD gotten a first down the clock would stop until the ball and chains are set, and he could have asked for a measurement if he thought they had made it (which would stop the clock until the measurement is complete at least)

[@thatduderobo1974]

Herm what ever happened to '' YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!'' couldn't follow his own advice

[@dustinsindledecker154]

That's what I said, old herm should listen to young herm more often.

[@Phateagle262]

EMU listened, they played to win the game...ASU played to just play 😂 On a related note...man I wish EMU was the Emus rather than the Eagles

[@marcus197]

Bruh wildin… the clock stops for chain reset in college 😂😂😂

[@mkepioneet]

If he was in Fallout, Herm Edwards would have a PER of -1

[@margaretmaskara9002]

Poor Herm who seems like a really good guy. But he had the same time out issues with Jets to the point that they had to hire a "time-out/game manager /coach"

[@PGar58]

It is crazy to me that Arizona State isn’t a dominant college powerhouse in football and basketball. They’ve got it all, and many have tried, but they only get so good.

[@donaldpaluga]

They even got a professional hockey team at ASU!

[@Kimvisible]

They were 13-0 and PAC 10 Champions in 1996, so it’s not like it has never happened.

[@TheSonicsean]

@@donaldpaluga There's a non zero (though given the Coyotes' lack of talent, pretty close to zero) chance that by the end of next year ASU's facilities would have hosted a Stanley Cup Final and Super Bowl

[@dustinsindledecker154]

I guess herm didnt listen to new York jets herm and play to win the game.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

That is true coaches can be their own worst enemy.

[@PGar58]

Edwards did a poor job managing the clock with the Jets too. Some things never change.

[@whitewhale9012]

And the chiefs. Good lord he was a catastrophe for the chiefs.

[@redxraider0613]

I really think coaches make bonehead plays/groups of plays on purpose just to get this guy to yell. Great entertainment and I love it

[@Kylora2112]

Umm, I'm just a dumbass who played cornerback in high school, but I'm pretty sure if the options at the end of the half are "let the clock run out and not give your opponent the ball" and "give the opponent the ball" skews heavily towards DON'T GIVE YOUR OPPONENT THE DAMN BALL!!!

[@patricklee4581]

Technically the best case option in option 2 is special teams makes the return guy fumble and they rumble it into the end zone to cut it to a 3 point game. If you're going to call a spade a spade, call it both ways. That's technically the best case scenario for option 2

[@enginejoe676]

This guy is good. Point blank period. Glad I came across this channel. I played pro ball and still get intrigued with all his videos and breakdowns

[@jasonfire3434]

As an ASU student/fan myself I’m glad I missed this one lol

[@davemlbc]

I assume #1 for Innovation has to do with their massive online degree program. I'm 1500 miles away and have never stepped on campus but I'm also a current student thinking "Wow our coach was terrible". That's Sun Devil Innovation!

[@dustinsindledecker154]

About fucking time he should have been fired after last season.

[@honsou48]

I love that this isn't even the dumbest punting decision made by an ASU coach in the last 20 years. That goes to Dirk Koetter deciding that in the final seconds of a game against USC, on 4th down that he had better odds of USC muffing the punt than actually getting the first down. USC just didn't put a return man out and won the game

[@vontazebuckshanks6356]

Now make another vid taking about the national power that Herm was building before the ncaa sanctions hit. They were building something special. Oh what could have been

[@JaguarGator8]

I really thought after that Oregon game in 2019 that Jayden Daniels was the answer and that there was a chance that ASU might be really good. Oh what could've been

[@donaldpaluga]

THE SUN DEVILS ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!-Dennis Green

[@barneshomestead1240]

The SEC has had its share of BAD CLOCK MANAGEMENT over the years...lol! And STILL managed to win quite a few National Championships.

[@nicoleknight9412]

Sounds to me that they should also look for a new Athletic Director.

[@ryanadverderada3973]

Ray Anderson didn't want to fire his buddy. He needs to go as well. And let's be honest, Michael Crow doesn't care about the athletics program.

[@geoffbennett6222]

Even if he thought ASU got the first down, the clock stops to move the chains, so he could have waited until the chains were being moved. That's the only thing the creator of the video got a bit wrong. In this situation in CFB waiting to call the timeout makes sense.

[@f1champ551]

I bet he's coming back to ESPN with Herm.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Better as a commentator then as a coach.

[@f1champ551]

@@dustinsindledecker154 no way he should be a coach tbh

[@dustinsindledecker154]

I disagree maybe he can coach in fcs but I think his days as an fbs coach are finished.

[@thefourmoodgroups2589]

JG9 is so pained by Herm's gaffe. 🤣 It's entertaining but also concerning. He's gonna pop a gasket! Lol. Love this video. Love the passion, JG9!

[@barneshomestead1240]

How much $ did the poster of this have riding on this one? Just curious.

[@joenintendo]

Also, doesn't the clock stop on a 1st down in the last 2 minutes of the half? I like Herm. He was a good coach for the Jets back in the day, but this is indefensible

[@rubinortiz2311]

As an asu fan I’m so glad the herm Edward’s experiment is over.

[@stuartdollar9912]

I never saw the point in hiring a 60 something retread in the first place. Agreed.

[@azsportsandstuff9372]

I was at this game, and it was absolutely baffling.

[@professionalidiot7254]

I was in the student section for this game, once halftime hit I think it was the fastest I’ve ever seen a stadium clear

[@benjaccard7865]

He was a horrible coach for the Chiefs, so it's not surprising he sucked at Arizona State

[@TNTITAN]

I apologize if you done it already, but I thought the other dumb timeouts was either the Cowboys icing their own kicker or the Buffalo/Cleveland MNF where Cleveland’s coach called a timeout on a rushed FG attempted.

[@jjb1908]

That is almost as embarrassing as the time Jim Plunkett floated the ball just enough over him, to connect with Kenny King for an 80 yard touchdown all the way back in Super bowl XV

[@bobsnow6242]

"We need to schedule an early season game against an exciting out-of-conference opponent to get the fans excited for the year ahead. How about Michigan?" "Er....Eastern Michigan?" "Is there any other Michigan?"

[@lancetheb.m.c]

Any of the Directional Schools......

[@orangelab6846]

You play the game to get PAID!

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

Watching this one after Sean Payton did the same exact thing last night is kinda wild. The exact same scenario with the exact same deficit.

[@jaredchacon2645]

yeah man, im in the asu band and boy was that something to watch. Like the calls on some play were bad sure but that damn time out was just so incompetent

[@gregpettis1113]

The clock stops in college when you get the first down

[@nate_kang]

5:53 lol I like how you synced your voice to Saban's mouthing

[@itsjakesports]

Herm Edwards may be extremely incompetent, but Ray Anderson is FAR WORSE. I want Michael Crow to grow some damn balls and fire Ray. He’s completely gutted the athletic department. Also, I was in attendance at this game. I’ve never seen a college fanbase so apathetic and angry at a head coach.

[@donaldpaluga]

What other university has a professional hockey team?

[@ttmazz1]

I did thought ASU had the 1st Down when he got tackled, but when the refs didn't indicate so, i might call a TO to get it reviewed.

[@brucerevis7022]

Plus on frist down in college the clock stops so there would be no reason to call a timeout fast

[@vdubproductions2646]

He played the game to lose

[@patrickrusso9919]

The clock stops while the chains reset, did he not notice the clock still running?

[@Thebestaustin-d8f]

I suppose theoretically there could have been a fumble on the return or something but that’s grasping at straws to find a positive! lol

[@lbs2821]

Herm Edwards did exactly what Lovie Smith did at Illinois, forgot about the importance of in state recruiting, and in doing so drove both programs into the ground. They simply didn’t care about the football programs. Ironically, Smith’s Illini lost to Eastern Michigan, embarrassing. So glad Coach Bielema is righting the ship at Illinois. Hope ASU finds a coach that can bring back the program and it’s fan base.

[@stevengrvp]

Hello you play to win the game I miss him with my jets

[@MichaelPiz]

You didn't show the result of the punt!

[@JaguarGator8]

Didn’t result in anything, but had to keep the clip under 9 seconds due to copyright to prevent the video from getting blocked

[@orangelab6846]

If he had the first down, the clock would have stopped for the chains.

[@CyberchaoX]

Right, which is why "I probably called it too soon" makes sense. If they did have the first, he actually could've waited a bit and still not had any time run off the clock...though it's still a bad idea because you could just hurry up to the line, snap it right away, and then call the timeout before second down unless it's an incompletion.

[@michaelendy3479]

I mean he could have called the timeout to give the replay crew an extended chance to review the play. It did look close at the time......

[@sirstewartwallace3917]

I have the strangest feeling he's going to be the next coach of the Texans.

[@DolFan316]

And Brian Flores is going to sue the NFL again for not hiring the "right" black coach AKA him.

[@barneshomestead1240]

I'd be delighted if he'd take Bill O'Brien as his OC! LOL! RTR!

[@WithaNameLikeSwan]

Herm has had more than a few concussions in his career. He needs to get checked for CTE

[@barneshomestead1240]

You should take a look at Auburn...lol.

[@rngfootball759]

Still don't get why ASU passed up on Billy Napier and took Herm Edwards. Them and Colorado are now amongst the 2 worst P5 teams

[@Phateagle262]

I remember when Colorado was a national power...how the Buffs have fallen.

[@duffman9908]

Correction: The quote was not a contradiction. If you have the 1st down the clock stops in college to spot the chains so you have extra time to call the timeout without losing gameclock.

[@williamjordan5554]

He probably wanted time to decide if he wanted to go for it on 4th down.

[@alfredvejar7769]

If you always think like you do you'll never win a game. Playing it safe all the time is boring

[@stevenbauer4799]

'you play the game to fk it up with needless time-out'.

[@camerongrant8344]

If only EMU found a way to score points on this play.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Man I wish I could $1.5 million to embarrass a huge fan base like eastern Michigan did.

[@donaldpaluga]

Only College Station has an ATM that lets you withdraw $1,500,000!-Appalachian State

[@jordandennis6794]

Same. Best 1.5 million you could ever make

[@dangeiger9796]

He didn’t play to win the game

[@mrmoose6619]

If he was that confused about the 4th down/1st down, wouldn't it be prudent to ask for a measurement.... if nothing else, Stripes could say no, not close enough and it's determined.

[@michaellong6336]

He played to win the game.

[@michaeldavis5616]

Herman Edwards began his coaching career with my NY Jets. I don't know if he ever would've drawn up what happened in less than 2 minutes when we somehow beat the Cleveland Browns this past Sunday. If you put that on your JaguarGator9 channel, I'll be looking out for that!

[@michaeldavis5616]

@@matthewdaley746 Just curious, but to what extent is John Harbaugh currently on the hot seat over at Baltimore? They literally blew it against Miami especially after the Ravens Twitter page bragged about the 21-point halftime lead.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Hello! He was playing to win the game!😆

[@NewDayNY917]

@@matthewdaley746 ironically Billick won a SB and they ended up getting rid of him 8 years after, it’s been nearly 10 since Harbough won his, and he has superior QB play compared to whatever Billick had

[@Kimvisible]

Obviously was not one thing that got Squirm fired.

[@dicloniusgames]

Maybe the Panthers can scrounge up Herm Edwards after Matt Rhule gets fired. I mean they can't do any worse even any worse than George Seifert's 1-15 season.

[@okolo22000]

Riddle me this: Dumber hire - Urban Meyer or Herm Edwards?

[@marcus813]

I was surprised that Edwards lasted this long, especially with all the mess going on behind the scenes. That stuff with Antonio Pierce sure didn't help his cause. ASU is in worse shape than it was in when Todd Graham was run.

[@pepperjackttv]

"You play to win the game! I don't care if you got no wins, you're gonna play to win!" -Herman Edwards 🤣

[@patrickrusso9919]

Heck, if you are gonna NOT let the clock run, at least try a hail Mary play and hope you get lucky and score (or force a PI penalty)

[@imentekpere6802]

Why not just call a timeout with 3 or 4 secs left & throw a Hail Mary before the half?

[@cravingspopcorn]

Eastern Michigan beat Purdue and Illinois in the past 3 years

[@christopherengel7436]

I like Herm as a man/person. That said with the timeout explanation, hopefully he said his explanation wrong. I thought we got the 1st down and I called them timeout to fast. With that he should have been fired when the violations hit. His boss too. Hiring your client? He should have been fired then. A ex-agent as an AD? No they'll never have any violations. Anyway you could tell Herm was checked out from how he ran his program since last year. He should have stayed on TV.

[@wicklebee]

The sad bit is, this wasn't even a surprise to me. And it made me so glad we finally fired Herm for doing this. But the reason it wasn't a surprise? I may not be thinking of the correct game, and someone can probably fact check me, but I remember a game where we were down multiple TDs and getting the ball back before halftime (might have been ASU/UCLA in 2019). Now, anyone with a fighting spirit thinks "hey, we should try to get a scoring drive going so we go into the locker room with a mood to come out in the second half and finish the rest of this comeback." Not Herm. Herm had us take a knee. So we would lose that game after finally coming alive in the 4th quarter but not being able to overcome a 32 point deficit because... Yeah, you generally won't do that in a single quarter. I was done with Herm at that game and it was pretty much only a year into his tenure, and it was a mistake for us to pay him the big monies after a bowl season in which he never beat a bowl eligible team. Also, the worst bit is that you didn't even mention an even dumber part of this drive. On the play before the timeout, Emory Jones was staring at the sideline with absolute confusion. A time where we needed a time out called to get an idea of what we should be doing in order to get this drive going (or you know, perhaps we should have called it before the Delay of Game instead of getting a massive time run off because of the penalty).

[@CTubeMan]

Since you picked on Mike McCarthy yesterday This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 8/9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about McCarthy’s Dumb Decision (TM) timeout at the end of the half last year against the Patriots.

[@braddvaughn6076]

you could hurry to the line and snap @0:01 or so! Then throw a hail mary or run a play action pass ! what I would do @

[@francis1971]

He obviously didn't "play to win the game"!🙂

[@btrav667]

NY Jet fan here. Herm was a good "pom-pom" guy.....period. Terrible head coach. The worst game-manager we ever had (and we've had some really bad ones). What success he had for the Jets derived from his inheritance of Parcells-trained players. He single-handedly lost NY a playoff game in Pittsburgh because of his insane and idiotic game management. Then in his press conference he threw his kicker under the bus.....big time: "gotta make the kick". Doug Brien (K) was immediately let go by the organization. The game is known as "the Doug Brien game". Everyone in NY media bought the lie that our kicker lost the game for us. ( he missed 2 FG's....one he should have made and one that only 1 kicker, Adam Vinitierie, had made in January.....the opened end of Heinz field is very windy....in Pitt). Herm panicked on the final (what should have been: winning) drive. It has to be seen to be believed how he took a 3 yard loss (knee to position a FG.......turning a 40 yd FG into a 43 yarder), in January....windy.....Pittsburgh....where only 1 kicker.....maybe the best kicker of all time....had made a kick of that distance up until that time!.......WITH 35 SECONDS left and a timeout in his pocket! Nobody from our press called him out on it. We needed to get 5 more yards to get a make-able kick. HE NEVER LEARNED.........He continued to be a terrible game-manager and NEVER HELD HIMSELF ACCOUNTABLE......always had excuses!...."I thought it was a 1st down".......This guy scammed us all and made millions with his "rah-rah"...."you play to win the game".....half-assed, preacher act. He is probably a good man and husband. The press certainly never really turned on him here in NY......which is something that they HAVE done to better coaches. But he was a hard-headed, loser of a coach. .......there....that's out of my system!

[@danielcorreard3746]

I will give herm credit for a head football coach he is one heck of a broadcaster but hey at least he beat the puke of a every year. but here is a crazy idea hire Danny White as head coach and athletic director fire ray anderson as well

[@btrav667]

Same old Herm....

[@stevencole7331]

My thought he took the time out to think about going for it and decided to punt the ball . Herm took a acu team in taters and got them competitive . They were even in the top 10 . What happened is the violations , pandemic and transfer portal . Herm is a good guy . Did not play by the rules that somebody did not like and ratted him out . Probably on his staff . It appears he wasn't a good manager of the team and kind of lax . You would think the kids would like him and their parents . This game was more of an excuse to fire him .

[@dangeiger9796]

He was counting on them muffing the punt. That’s about the only thing that would have made the decision worthwhile

[@wendellmcclellon4685]

ASU was a power or relevant when????

[@stuartdollar9912]

In 1996, they were 19 seconds away from a National Championship. As recently as 9 years ago they were down to a one game playoff to win the Pac 12.

[@gregmoore5740]

You play to win the game!

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

You play to win. Hey nobody touch me. 😅😅

[@joewilhelm8975]

Herm Edwards was always a terrible coach. I was shocked he got hired by someone, college or pro.

[@luvdady]

The Mac is much better then people think. But herm Edward is a bafoon.. But eastern mich is a team with heart

[@tangobear3536]

Skip. 13-minute video that should've been 30 seconds.

[@curtisdavis2157]

#RealUnmistakableWithoutQuestion!

[@Timmyk5150]

YOU COACH TO LOSE THE GAME!!!! Note he said "PLAY" to win 🙂. Clowns like this make Marty Schottenheimer look like Don Coryell.

[@PeelowSnake]

Eagles fuckin shit up like usual

[@marcusmosiahgarveysr4310]

You pay to win the game?