Dumb Things Christians Say to Atheists - Tier List

[@HolyKoolaid]

I mentioned how I realized hell is obviously man made. Here's my full video on that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2Gzf6mpZbGeedk And here's my full video on Pascal's Wager: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpeudax-fbqUq68

[@harveywabbit9541]

You might find some good stuff for your videos in Milton Woolley's Science of the Bible.

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Holy Kool-aid have you read the Names of God (NOG) Bible? Really helps knowing which Avatar is which throughout the stories. The Gods and Demons fandom wiki has bios and pictures. 👍

[@BrianGay57]

Hell was my very first heretical position. I didn’t find it at all in the Old Testament, and Jews have NO concept of hell even to this day. I found it completely horrific, and completely unjust and tossed it out. I tossed out a whole lot more before I realized it was ALL nonsense. If one throws out the bad and the nonsensical, there isn’t very much left.

[@davee.9906]

The Witcher is awesome!

[@diarmuidhunt3315]

@@jjphank You've made a lot of assumptions in that one comment. On the note of "what happened to make you lose your faith" I personally don't know Holy Kool-Aid's story but mine was not from a singular event but more so a slow and steady drift away as I held the values of truth and honesty utmost from my Christian upbringing (not the only way to hold those values) and continued seeking truth honestly regardless of where it lead. Turns out evidence is the most reliable thing to base your views on and if you're entirely honest with yourself it leads to agnosticism which realistically is the view of all Christians (insert any other religion here) too only for they use the word 'know' incorrectly a lot.

[@jeff-8511]

I’m from Germany and it’s kind of weird that “being an Atheist “ is such a big thing in the USA. Here people would normally just assume that you are not religious or believing. Being an atheist is totally normal here.

[@germanjohn5626]

That is how it should be in a sane society.

[@AlienAteIt.MyNoraTees]

I think god being printed on our money have convinced ppl this is a nation based on Christianity. So patriotic =Christianity.

[@EmPurple]

Similar here in the UK. I am a struggling Christian in a crisis of faith, or perhaps I’m not at all now, certainly, I think a lot of American Christians seem to be a lot more extreme though. There seems to be more hate preached by Christians there. Strangely I converted to Christianity about 2 to 3 years ago but I have been learning about the history of it all and I have realised there are a lot of inerrancies in the bible and tons of different versions. Also there are unethical charlatan faith healers in America who use stooges and mind tricks to ‘heal’ people and loads of desperate and vulnerable people end up losing their lives and money because of it.

[@bull1085]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 god should let me into heaven because my cock is absolutely minuscule and I desire compensation.

[@mattalley4330]

I think that part of the problem here in the US is, perhaps counterintuitively, that we dont have any state sanctioned church as many other nations do. Our officially secular government, which does not officially endorse any religious group, has created a sort of free-market approach to religion. Religious sects have learned that in order to compete for parishioners they need to be increasingly extreme, which seems to be why each new religious group/movement is a bit nuttier than the last one.

[@benderisgreat5059]

“You were never a true Christian.” Oh how I wish that was true. It would have saved me a lot of pain.

[@ImSimplyAHuman]

Me too! It would’ve saved me lots of 💰😑

[@TheMountainMan-wz8xf]

@@jjphank Ooh! I smell a debate! I accept your challenge good sir. Shall we partake in a battle of words?

[@TheMountainMan-wz8xf]

@@jjphank Alrighty! Um, what do you want to debate?

[@TheMountainMan-wz8xf]

@@jjphank Funny. I just got off work. But I got you. How about ol' reliable; The validity of the rights of two men or two women to get "married?"

[@sledgehammer301]

@@TheMountainMan-wz8xf It is not valid. Marriage is stupid and many a man or woman have shipwrecked their lives in following the cultural requirement/expectation to get married. Marriage was perpetrated by religious corporations controlled by wealthy men who needed some 'legitimate' way to have their vast wealth and amassed possession (usually from theft from native peoples or exploitation of poor people) to live on in perpetuity, via inheritances and not go to some bastard child. Women needed protection and support, because women were 3rd rate not even citizens, who could not owe property, vote, be educated, were not free to move as they pleased or anything else, due to the very low view of women in those times. They HAD to get married just to survive. Marriage, helped the churches grow and solidify their power. Marriage created the family unit, and the married couple, being bound together, were expected to have lots of kids. As a unit, the family would go to church with the kids to ensure that the churches would never be short of stock to stoke the fires of their power and wealth.

[@OldCleisthenes]

"If Atheism is a religion, then 'not-boning' is a sex position" - Best logic ever

[@erinchappel1359]

Yeah I'm so using that one.

[@moonshoes11]

That’s the position I use most. Sadly.

[@qhvianthomasmidgely5th.62]

@@moonshoes11 Careful now, I hear that it can make your eyes crossed. I would bet you on this but, we are not shaking hands !!!

[@moonshoes11]

@@qhvianthomasmidgely5th.62 I don’t think you understand what “not boning” means. I doesn’t mean boning myself. Just like not believing in a god doesn’t mean I hate god, right?

[@MetallicAAlabamA]

If Thomas wouldn't have made the psychic debunk videos, I would say people could use mind reading to bone, or use ESPorn 😎. But Thomas and Dr Randi done put the smack down on those mo fos.

[@ElonWhatsUp]

A few hours ago. I got told by my father who is a Christian and i quote: "You can't just say that you are an athiest, its rude" And by some other people: "You can't stay an athiest forever. Its not good."... It never fails to piss me off.

[@Shotesu]

to the Father: john 8:7, Matthew 7:5. to the other people, romans 3:10. if they cannot answer to these lines from a book they claim to follow, they are not in fact what they claim to be. else wise, they should see wisdom and relent. and to you, good sir- take the scientific method in one hand, and this in the other: Job 12:7-10, then Psalm 19:1, and last Hebrews 11:3(consider how newton's first law.). put each hypothesis to the test. or don't. it is as always, it is your choice. but it is possible to look and see, rather than have some guy at a pulpit tell you this or that. it is funny the "christian father" did not do this, but resorted to a logical fallacy. life is but a very long discussion, in some senses.

[@SmokingSexyStyle]

​@@Shotesuim not reading all that

[@jefffriend1306]

Everything came from nothing. Matter came from non-matter, order came from disorder, life came from non-life. This is the crazy stuff you believe in. If I showed you are watch you wouldn't think it came out of thin air. But you can look at a human and say that wasn't designed it was non-life coming to life. There are so many holes in science yet you still have faith in it. The Bible is not a science book.

[@FlyingBaco]

lol. Idk how to feel about tha but creepy pfp

[@Doomzdeh]

Perhaps they’re trying to save you from eternal damnation? Just something to think about.

[@rcblazer]

In my case, I honestly was never a true Christian. I was dragged to church every Sunday as a child, but I never thought I was supposed to take any of it seriously. I stopped going to church the moment I was given the option to, and it wasn't so I could go out and sin. When people say I just wanted to sin, I ask them "Which sin?" and they never have a good answer.

[@cowsmuggler1646]

If you were good people, then you would like the Bible. Good people like good rules. But cheat and lye, you like to. And not work hard and waste time on silly amusements. And take advantage of the weak instead of helping them. Not fight to protect the land. And that is why you don't like the Bible. Nice try buddy.

[@Nokyyyyy]

The mathematical one. Stop learning trigonometry pls, you'll go to hell Or use only cosinus (Sorry for that joke)

[@rcblazer]

@@cowsmuggler1646 Let's go over everything and why this comment isn't a good answer to my question at all: Good rules like "Slaughter everyone, including the nursing babies and the women" right? You have read the Bible, right? A lot of the Lord's commands are mass slaughter. Cheat and lie? At what? To who? I work very hard, especially on Sundays. Working on the Sabbath; maybe I am evil incarnate! Taking advantage of the weak, what does that even mean? I've given to charity and helped people before without asking for anything in return. Didn't need any god telling me to do that. Who am I fighting to protect the land from? I'm not in the army; that's their job! Also, not killing people in self defense is evil? The real reason I don't like the Bible is that it is a poorly written fairy tale created by men to control other people. Did you know priests aren't allowed to go to war according to the Bible? I bet they wrote that in just to cover their own asses.

[@solomonskey-animation]

That is...honestly a mood. It took me up until a couple weeks ago to realize that I never actually believed what I was taught.

[@manlymemez]

people have a misconception that going to church clears you from all sins, it doesn't

[@davemillet4160]

I walked away from Christianity the moment someone told me that, because I have Epilepsy, my seizures were me "being possessed by the spirit of Satan," and that I was being punished for "contributing to the evil in our world" by refusing to believe. Sadly, there are millions of other atheists in the world who are still hearing the same thing.

[@ultrabeargames314]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 oh man.... You are soooooo dumb. Listen jackass the ten comadnments are what makes us human..... Maybe not the murder one. But lust? That's a hormone. Disrespect for parants....... Mood changes...... Belive in other gods.... What if you have never heard of Christianty? Though shall not covit? No jealousy? Though shall not steal? What if you need it. Jesus said money sucks. You didn't listen. Though shall not kill..... That's just a..... Ya do that. But your calling being a teenager a sin.... I have broken all but 1.... Though shall not covit..... And it's sad you tell people that belive that they should LIVE THEIR OWN FREE LIFES will go to hell..... And you give them trama. Truly kind beings.

[@jennyjones537]

I don’t like some religious people because of this .

[@robertc8110]

I'm sorry you had to deal with that. I think religion dumbs some people down.

[@bay_marie]

@@robertc8110 religion has nothing to do with it, some people are just dumb.

[@forestdude5168]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 so you are homophobic but preach about how hating is bad? im dragging you to hell with me lol

[@xChaosFlower]

I remember reading a quote somewhere on the internet years ago saying "getting mad at someone for something because its against your religion is like getting mad as someone for eating a donut because you're on a diet". I don't know why, but it has stuck with me ever since.

[@whateverIdc-y6p]

That makes sense ngl

[@catfacecat.]

DANG good one imma use it a lot

[@ChewedBubbleGun]

I get mad at someone eating tortilla chips because I have braces and can’t eat tortilla chips and it makes me sad because I really like tortilla chips and can’t eat them for 2 years 😢

[@aprilk141]

A very apt analogy!!!!

[@EthanTheBelcher]

And this comment will stick with me forever.

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

Lol, "This book says you're a fool if you don't believe in this book."

[@mattaboveallhews1502]

FR

[@JustinViolette-m8o]

Hahaha Christians are fucking stupid 😂😂😂😂

[@K162KingPin]

If the bible proves GOD. Then comic books prove SuperMan.

[@autumnagain]

honestly sounds like something that would be put in hitchhikers guide to the galaxy

[@L0yalEcho]

The Bible refers to actually real places. Like Mount Nebo where Moses spent his last days. From the verse of exodus

[@rawrbeez6625]

Richard Dawkins said something like, “If the only reason you aren’t raping and murdering people is because you are afraid God is watching you, you are a person I don’t want to be in a room with.”

[@joegame4576]

but such people do exist. that's the point.

[@Dragonmoon98]

Damn right to that!

[@Dave-_-]

he's got a point

[@antoniomura1458]

A good person that believes in God would also act morally independently of the probability of god's existence. God shouldn't be a scare tactic, but I don't see what Dawkins was really trying to prove there.

[@rawrbeez6625]

@@antoniomura1458 he was responding to a bad faith argument by a Christian stating if there’s no god then there would be no reason not to be raping and killing. Pretty clear.

[@jeffclarke3191]

I have been an atheist for about 60 years with one temporary lapse. My wife’s father was (by any definition) a truly good person and also a good Christian and I truly loved and respected him. At his funeral I offered a prayer to his god. That god did not exist for me, but was real for him. It seemed the right thing to do at the time.

[@nicoradv3923]

I could have never brought myself to do that. At one funeral i was asked to say a prayer, i refused.

[@KentuckyLiz]

Well, that was kind. You were following the Platinum Rule: Do unto others as others want to have done unto them.

[@rhondadenis3469]

Very kind gesture.

[@MarshallDavidson]

My late fater was in home hospice & actually posed the "what if you're wrong" question to me. I flat out told him that was fear mongering, he kinda snarled at me, but we went on about other things. A few minutes after he actually passed, I picked up the hymnal on the piano & started singing "The Old Rugged Cross", which was his favorite hymn, & I sang it again at his funeral. Same situation for me: this is real & important to them, so I will honor that for them. But this has nothing to do with me. I just want the same respect that we've been just expected to give & not be forced to kowtow to their belief system just because it makes them more comfortable while the rest of us suffer in silence & anger/frustration.

[@globalvillageidiot]

@@KentuckyLiz That rule can be dangerous. Let's say someone likes pain... The better rule is the negative "Do NOT do unto others what you DON'T want done to yourself..."

[@mickthebandit]

A Christian telling an Atheist that he’s going to Hell is like a kid telling you Santa’s not bringing you any presents

[@harveywabbit9541]

Sometimes going to Hell (winter) is a relief from the hot weather of Heaven.

[@nickkohlmann]

Man I am keeping that one

[@philiphowell1505]

I always reply, heaven for the climate, hell for the company.

[@rabidfirefox8914]

'Do not take the Lord's Name in vain' doesn't mean saying 'Oh God' randomly. It means you can't dictate God's actions. A Christian telling you you'll go to hell for X reason is, on some level, telling God what to do and therefore is sinning on some basic level. So, screw what those Not-Christians think.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@philiphowell1505 Heaven is hotter than Hell.

[@fantafan9765]

“Stalin was an atheist” You do understand Hitler was catholic, right? (I’m a believer but i can admit our arguments do not have as much leverage as we think) Update: I now no longer believe

[@starkillerx2020]

yeah, i wish there was better dialogue between atheists and christians. as an atheist, i feel like im talking to the same person over and over again, saying arguments they think ive never considered before. then i show why the argument is wrong and they move on to a different one. at this point i just want to hear something new

[@fantafan9765]

@@starkillerx2020 I hear your brother. Plus, I try to remind my Christian friends, that I’m not resistant of an existence of a god and would actually LOVE the idea of worshipping one. Unfortunately, what’s been provided thus far hasn’t been very convincing…They think we celebrate this but we most certainly do not.

[@mr_z4n125]

yOu WeReN't A rEaL cHrIsTiAn!!!44!4!4 /s

[@joeypaulzine3769]

there’s no way hitler was a christian

[@thisguy.-.]

crazy update. hope its working out alright for you, and that u stay safe from crazy people lmao

[@SirNigelGresley4498]

"If you don't believe in God, what's there to stop you murdering and raping all you want?" I'm frankly more than a little perturbed by all these Christians who are only held back from being monsters by their belief in a God

[@skypilot805]

Just like with atheists who were once Christians, and atheists that were born and raised atheists; it works the same with Christians... It's not that a bunch of Christians have a deep seeded desire to rape and murder, it's just a lack of understanding the atheist perspective. I've been an atheist/agnostic most of my life, and only somewhat recently converted to Christianity, so it DOES give me a much better understanding of the atheist's perspective. But now being a Christian, I can see the their side too, and yeah, it's just a lack of understanding. The Christians that say what you're talking about, are the Christians that born and raised in Christian homes, and never left the faith. They simply don't understand what it's like to be atheist. It's such a HUGE shift in perspective of life, that I'm just not surprised that there's big misunderstanding on both sides, ESPECIALLY amongst the people that have never changed from religious to atheist or vise versa.

[@einahsirro1488]

I just say, "Jail." (It's so much simpler.)

[@pollenzx]

@@einahsirro1488 it's simpler but you'd be admitting that the only thing stopping you is the punishment of your actions and therefore would just surrender for absolutely free

[@i.k5696]

@@skypilot805 obviously we don’t think that as non religious pepole, we just think that line of logic is insane and the fact that they think that thats all that is holding them back from being bad pepole obviously makes them feel trapped in there own religious ways to stay virtuous

[@RedVynil]

Especially when so many of them ARE monsters BECAUSE of their god!! I guess nobody's ever seen, "Carrie" and there's never been any proof to show that people like that (Carrie's mother) even exist? I've met a few so, I KNOW they do!! And, can you say, "Jimmy Jones" or "Heaven's Gate"? Sure, I knew you could.

[@darkprose]

“Atheism clearly does not cause violent atrocities-nor does religion prevent it.” I like the way this was articulated.

[@rainhartwenkler8408]

Atheism kills unborn babies

[@emazinglyawesome6428]

@@rainhartwenkler8408there are a lot of pro choice Christians and alot of pro life atheists don’t be presumptuous due to lack of belief

[@racerx4152]

what a dumb, naive statement too make! mao was an athiest, and killed at least 20 million, so was stalin who also killed 20 million, and north korea kills people every day. and there are many other examples.

[@emazinglyawesome6428]

@@thechristposter what is this comment supposed to mean?

[@StaticBlaster]

I would argue that statement in actuality is reversed. Religion causes violent atrocities and atheism tries to prevent these atrocities through secular humanism and trying to make us all aware that we're more similar than different.

[@justinfowler2857]

Should have added the argument that, "You'll become religious again when you're older or near death." Everytime I've heard that I've assumed it means all the old people praying in church are just cramming for the final exam. 😆

[@Sammie551]

They're assuming that anyways I could say the same thing about them back..they would become Muslim when they're old or near death

[@thetornadocrusader968]

Or maybe it's because you don't understand

[@magmacube8689]

@@thetornadocrusader968 AAAAAA! A CHRISTIAN! SHOO! SOMEONE CALL THE EXTERMINATOR!

[@dymphrpeeters8799]

yea but also they might feel like they miss a purpose as they have already lived a life and are now too old and fragile (and perhaps tired) to find something new to undertake. So religion is the new thing to undertake. I'd understand. I dont think I ever will but for some people I guess it works.

[@dakuten7883]

"What were their names" "Adam and...Ava?" "I'm sorry that is incorrect" -What old people are expecting, probably

[@sunbreakerqueenofbronze621]

I’m a Christian, and I find myself agreeing with atheists more often than I do with extremist religious groups.

[@milansvancara]

Becasue christianity in the Western 1st world today is 80% secular humanism and 20% Christianity... Which is the main difference between Christianity and Islam, it's the opposite thing there. About 200 years of development and not undergoing period of enlightenment

[@LiamDickson-n1o]

As a Christian, I would say it’s better to hang out with an atheist than a false Christian. If that is what this comment is trying to convey, I see your point.

[@JouMaxu]

@@LiamDickson-n1o what the hell is a "fake christian"?

[@LiamDickson-n1o]

@@JouMaxu glad you asked. you see, there is something called half-measures. There are those who would like to say they love Jesus, and maybe even believe they do, but have no intention of taking the Bible seriously or taking certain sins (say homosexuality or adulatory) and proclaiming them “something Christ can accept about me.” Millions of true Christians struggle with those sins and others, but there’s the catch, they view them as sins to overcome through Christ, not something he should accept. Short explanation? Someone who says with their mouth “Jesus is Lord” but puts their worldly desires first.

[@bigguy42_]

@@JouMaxuhypocrites that say they follow Christ but are unloving, unaccepting, and go against many of Christ’s teachings

[@sophiajacobski8677]

As a Catholic, the ‘What’s stopping you from rape and murder’ one really gets me. Like, I don’t do those things not out of a fear of God, but because I can’t even begin to imagine the pain that it would cause other people. When people act like atheists should do it because they fear no God, it’s implying that there is only one thing stopping them from rape and murder: their religion. It makes them sound like they would do it if they were an atheist.

[@ilovethe80sNW]

My father considered himself a devout Catholic yet he cheated on his family, had multiple affairs, had an illegitimate child, forced his mistress to have a home birth so there would be no hospital records, lied every day to his wife, deprived us of a genuine father figure, yet insisted that we go to church every Sunday. What raging hypocrisy in the name of religion. And that's not even everything he did.

[@mrnomagon5340]

Exactly it’s like this people think that humans are pure evil with no good in them. If your a good person then the answer should be obvious, it’s wrong and fucked up. But if you have to ask then that suggests that being a good person is a strange concept. I’m a atheist yet my moral and ethical code is all about being as kind and helpful as possible. Because the people who raised me were good people that where also believed in god. In life good are good people whether or not they believe in any afterlife. Believe if you want just respect if someone does not, free will after all

[@oolawoolawoolaoogabooga535]

Whenever I hear that argument I worry for the person saying that because he/she is saying that if they weren’t scared of Hell they’d be raping people. Makes me wanna send them to a therapist before they have an outburst or something

[@adamlambboy8332]

Kinda weird because I feel like more people have been abused by religious people than atheists, in fact they justify their abuse with religion. “God made women subservient to men” people of Islam make women cover up because men can’t control themselves, or that’s what many of them believe. The religions of Abraham were made by straight men for straight men. I’m not a straight man, nor a man in general, why should I follow a religion that was used to justify hatred of my sex? Why would I follow a religion that was forced on my ancestors with murder and war? For religions that loves to follow the Ten Commandments none of them know how to follow them. I was raised Christian and I’m done with it. I’ll find my own path.

[@darrel7382]

That religion is not enough to stop priests from bothering choirboys is enough to render the argument invalid.

[@machocamacho1503]

I had a preacher once say to me, "if there is no God, then how do planes stay in the air? Gods hand holds them" so I said, "so when a plane crashes, is it because god sneezed?"

[@brugernavnhvaderdet]

It is a good example of how religion is built upon ignorance. Something you don't understand = god did it

[@brugernavnhvaderdet]

@@1Impossibleguy I found the guy that doesn't understand most things. It's kinda sad to see how dumb you are. But it is funny that you haven't figured out how to hit the button that says "Reply" yet, so you actually send a notification to the right person. That does show your level of intellect though.

[@ThyBountyHunter]

@@1Impossibleguy So why do you think god created evil/calamity/disasters/bad times?

[@randomusername3873]

So that preacher was basically saying that God deliberately caused every planet crash ever. It's insane how clueless they are about their own words

[@tgstudio85]

@@1Impossibleguy so your whole personality is your muscles, it is obvious steroids fried your brain;)

[@corneliussnow8215]

I always found the argument that "If you're an Atheist than rape and murder is okay" to honestly be disturbing and unnerving. If the only reason that you're a good person is because of a fear of some sort of eternal damnation, that is extremely unsettling. So you're essentially saying that you would gladly engage in immoral and depraved acts but, don't because of fear of divine punishment. You should be a good person regardless of your religion.

[@livinglifelazy]

THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT IM THINKING!!

[@EmperorHero1]

If there is no supreme moral figure, than it is rational to do whatever you please irregardless of the morality of it. You and I won't do so because general society has conditioned us to behave a certain way, and you and I will, later in our lives condition other people to behave a certain way, to repeat the general retuning of society moral code. And we won't do so probably because of some genetic predisposition I am too illinformed to know, but the logic is still there. Just because society tells us so doesn't mean it's objectively moral.

[@davethefave]

@@EmperorHero1 It's kinda frightening that that's the truth, when you really think about it.

[@ilovethe80sNW]

Ding ding ding ding!

[@milaliah]

LITERALLY what I’m saying

[@realdragon]

"If you don't believe in God what's stopping you from committing heinous crimes?" Have you heard about small group of people called the police?

[@sathaxxip]

LMAO

[@FirstnameLastname-jd4uq]

Also… empathy? Compassion? Self control?

[@zeeveestudios]

i remember this scene from a show i watched. "if you dont believe in hell, whats stopping you from killing all the people you want?" "i am killing all the people i want, which is none at all."

[@thewizardofodd6880]

I mean, yeah that was dumb on our part. Some Christians are lowkey humiliating

[@leonjacklyn5033]

I think the show was After Life with Ricky Gervais

[@laneatkinson6441]

Great quote!! This sums up my frustrations with Christian hypocrisy so well. Even if you did have to kill someone in self defense and it was 100% justifiable, why would you WANT to kill someone and enjoy the process? The only logical answer would be mental illness.

[@saintguiltyofcalifornia2386]

If I was the unpolite Christian that asked that initial question my reply would be "but if you did want to kill some people, what would stop you?"

[@mursuhillo242]

@@thewizardofodd6880 some? Attending a sermon and chanting along praising an entity that has never been proven not just real, but even remotely plausible. It's literally the same as worshiping an MLP character, circlewank around a figurine of one, and call that figurine the absolute authority

[@johnmcleod8961]

another thing: I'm convinced the vast majority of "Christians" are not really in it for virtuous living...it's all about the fire insurance...

[@marksavage1744]

Brilliant!

[@michaelmorris589]

LOL. You mean they barely go through the motions because they want the retirement plan? Yeah, I agree.

[@johnmcleod8961]

absolutely...most are so sanctimonious and self- righteous...it's nauseating...

[@ecchiowl5905]

How can you love somebody who is threatening to torture you for eternity if you don't love them? All these Christians getting gaslighted by their own creation

[@jonovens7974]

@@ecchiowl5905 Ah, but I love him, and he loves me. It's only everybody else that has the possibility of going to hell. Pick any christian and ask them if they are going to hell - then ask them why not. I always find the answer amusing. They either back themselves into a corner with 'faith' or debunk themselves with 'good person'. I also find there seems to be a similarity between how extreme your view is and how much 'faith' is invoked. The more moderate a religious person is the more they seem to prioritise being a good person. This is of course just my personal view from my own interactions.

[@wesoak8845]

Man, I would love to speak with you. I’ve recently deconverted. For 13 years I was a full time minister in one of Americas main stream denominations. This has been a lonely tough journey to navigate. Deconverting has not been pretty. I gave my entire life up to this point to ministry, and walking away from all of it is really hard. It’s what I did to provide for my family, and all of our needs. My entire circle of friends and family are Christians. However, I couldn’t stand behind a pulpit and shout unproven claims at people anymore. Your channel has helped me so much. I just want to say thank you.

[@jaegrant6441]

Wow!!! That is really brave of you!!! The first, and still ongoing, part of my healing from religion is to realise that I'm not inherently evil. It's been hard. Belief It Or Not does some really good deconstruction episodes, they've helped me a lot as well as Tommy here. Good luck.

[@thoward_ht]

Just knowing that you aren't alone is huge. I have a ton of sympathy for you, and respect, too. That takes a lot of guts.

[@lizhughes2852]

Very brave. Best of luck. X

[@denz4133]

@ wesoak88 Do you feel like Neo in the Matrix that just took the red pill?

[@dansolis4088]

You might want to read the book "godless" by Dan Barker, who was a fundamentalist christian minister for 17 years. I, too, was a fundamentalist christian, who attended christian schools my whole life and christian college as well, and went on a mission to Central America. I was a true believer, but finally after reading and studying the bible for so long, it became perfectly clear to me that it was absolutely, totally false, and nonsense. Accepting that christianity was not true was REALLY HARD -- but you have to grow up. I used to wake up in the morning and go to my first job after (christian) college thinking "I don't know HOW to be a non-christian." You might also want to read Dr. Bart Ehrman's book "How Jesus Became God". Dr. Ehrman was a super fundamentalist who went to Moody Bible Institute and then to Wheaton College and finally to Princeton Theological Seminary, where he got his Ph.D.. The more he learned about the bible the more it became clear to HIM that it was not true. Now that I'm free of the virus of religion, I'm so much happier. But it took awhile to make the transition.

[@juciymiddle3102]

"If you dont believe in god, what stops you from raping and killing?" Uhm... basic human morals?

[@egeozturk9571]

"If you dont believe in god, what is stopping you from commiting s*icide?" The human willpower to live and thrive?

[@shadow25746]

Well these „basic“ morals were actually build on a christian or rather jewish foundation. But still, you don’t do bad stuff just because you are religious, but because you want to be a good person

[@juciymiddle3102]

@Just_M777 religion didnt create morals? Least of all christianity and and the jewish people

[@Anpugodofduat]

​@@shadow25746Actually the basic human morals existed long before Judaism (Acient Egypt for example)

[@m.m6990]

@@Anpugodofduat slavery moment guess who stopped that :D

[@Leg3nd-27]

I used to have a Christian friend in high school. She knew I was an atheist. One time, I was stressed and talking to her about my day. And then randomly, she said “Yea, I don’t really care about you, or want to help you. But God told me to, so I have to.” To this day, I have no idea if that was supposed to be some kind of insult. It was so random, and she said it with a happy voice and a smile. Easily the weirdest thing a Christian has ever said to me.

[@ohmielevisope4237]

Damn bro if she is such a bad friend then use her belief agaisn't her for your benefit. You be like "Go do my homework cause your God said you need to help me" or use her in a more subtle way where she won't notice your plan.

[@8bitpokie826]

That’s a terrible thing of her to say, and that’s coming from me, a Christian

[@vuuspalding]

I don't need to be bribed to do what is good for others, or threatened with eternal torture if I don't. Anyone that does good because of that, is not a good person at all.

[@GrassiestGrassy]

That is a very condescending thing to say. Even if “God” told her to help you, “God” would prefer her to not say her ulterior motive, and instead, just be polite.

[@sharkula.1]

PLEASE don't use that stereotype for all Christians 😭😭 But honestly, that is a REALLY weird thing to say, coming from a Christian

[@NecroNathancon]

I had someone at work who was surprised that I wasn't religious. She genuinely could not understand that being kind and being religious were two different things. It made me chuckle to hear that exact statement in your video, she said that almost word-for-word.

[@JohnSmith-bs9ym]

Dumb people need to be indoctrinated into behaving a certain way. It's easier to rule them when they are predictable.

[@cheesy1159]

@Freeman Freeman evolution

[@d0navan440]

@Freeman Freeman i leave the answer for somebody else, ive had about million christans drained my blood online by now, so i im gonna say this insted, if you really think this, than, you really were brainwashed from birth.

[@righteousone5119]

@Freeman Freeman to leave the world a better place than from when you arrived. It's the ultimate moral objective of any decent person on the Earth.

[@Preria80]

@nharviala The difference of being Christian or kind is that Christians stay that way even though they have really big problems in their lives. Have you ever wondered why Christians are first ones to come in mind when we say religious? Think about it.

[@kalinaribic6383]

"If you're an atheist, what's stopping you from murdering and raping?" Me: Basic human empathy.

[@ashleyspurling5701]

That really is sad that they use their religion as a reason to have basic human empathy. Ironically most Christians people I know lack it.

[@morpheuslaughing]

Just remember if a christian asked you that, it's probably some sort of thinly veiled confession of what's on their mind

[@ashleyspurling5701]

@@morpheuslaughing exactly!

[@funnygaming2672]

im a rape victim every man that did it was a follower of the church, they were not atheist.

[@scottlarson1548]

I ask them, "The only reason you're not raping women and robbing people is your belief in God?" They always answer, "Of course not!" I don't know why they don't see they're immediately contradicting themselves.

[@natethornton5646]

My mom told me today "It's sad that you don't believe in anything, or do you think we came from monkeys?" My dad years ago when I first came out as atheist said "your mind is warped."

[@altonbauer5733]

They reveal their own ignorance in their insults

[@ThatTrueChristianGuy]

Your parent's shouldn't insult you or "guilt" you back. Then it wouldn't be sincere. And actions without sincerity is useless. Be sincere. . . even if it isn't whatever religion other people have.

[@benu_bird]

You can tell her humans aren’t descended from monkeys. Or even great apes. We split off way before that. We’re genetically related to great apes (specifically chimpanzees), but definitely not from monkeys. 😂

[@jackbob83]

It’s crazy that those same words would probably be used by people if the word “Atheist” was replaced with “Trans”, “Gay”, or “Bi”

[@firegator6853]

The "do you think we came from monkeys" is so stupid, i dont hate it only because as explained in the video is also scientifically wrong statement but also i hate it because....whats bad about it? All humans are the same species, all humans can be illegal, bad, good, rich, poor, very educated, uneducated, ignorant, open minded etc. no matter the origin so... what's the insult about having an ancestry instead of poping into existance out of nowhere

[@green97probe]

I left religion after I realized that I want to be able to think on my own, and not be told what to think.

[@green97probe]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 send me to hell. Can't be any worse than being mormon. Really it's the same. An evil man rules over you. Take your holier than thou garbage somewhere else.

[@thefourthwritedjentleman3643]

Welcome back to reality 😊

[@brandtmanning1084]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 So are you saying that what green97probe said by default means that he/she is a sinner that is condemned to hell because of the simple statement "I left religion after I realized that I want to be able to think on my own, and not be told what to think"? Its a general statement. Did not specify what religion was left, didnt specify what he/she was being told to think nor what this individual's thoughts are now........and quite frankly, its nobody's business. Nowhere in that statement did it say that the personal belief in God or their version of a Higher-Power was over. Who is God to YOU????? A guy with a white beard named God?! Who is Jesus to you? A guy with a brown beard who died for us? Are you putting full trust in the version of the Bible and its scriptures that you read today.....that it hasn't been reworded, changes (additions/ommissions) by the countless fallible humans that have passed it down and spoke/printed it? If green97probe doesnt go to a physical church on certain days, and explain his/her thoughts to the congregation, or listen to a pastor's (human) thoughts on what God/Jesus wants us to do, to learn how to JUDGE those around us without ANY qualification.....and to give money.........I guess it was YOUR moral authority that was annointed to you to ask him/her: WHY should God let you into Heaven? Instead of asking others, ask yourself. Have you ever lied, beat off, got mad at your parents, stole, got laid before you were married,?........but its all forgiven because you go to church right? And bercause you haver done those things or at least some......you can tell another person they are a piece of shit because you go to church. This is what they make you believe there? I'm sure that was God's intention. God: "I created you and I am your Father.....oh and uuuuhhhhh, you can't talk to me directly ever though.......you have to go to 131 Main Street and talk to me thru Pastor Simon....im kinda hard of hearing and am so busy that I cant just talk to everyone ". Keep up the good work of being your brother's keeper...a great example to all.

[@nathandei1674]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 so you don’t want him to have opinions. I am a Christian but you my friend is the reason why most people DESPISE Christianity and why they don’t want to be a Christian.

[@nathandei1674]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 you don’t have to answer a paragraph, geez

[@koshka7357]

I ended a friendship a few years ago over "you were never really a Christian." Even after I explained my experiences growing up religious and made it clear that negating my experiences like that was hurting me, he still doubled down and insisted that he was right and I was wrong about my own life. I really tried to maintain that friendship even as he became more radical in his religious beliefs, but once I realized that he refused to believe me when I talked about my own life I couldn't do it anymore.

[@cameronharris5107]

That was never really a friend.

[@sourisvoleur4854]

Atheists who were true and sincere Christians in their heart-of-hearts (etc.) are a huge threat to believers because if that's true, then the thought arises: "If they were really as much a Christian as I am, and they fell away, then I could fall away too." Which to a believer is terrifying. So I understand the emotional reasons (not logic) behind taking that position. They very likely can't even countenance that you were a "true" Christian. The thought is so threatening it can gain no foothold in their mind.

[@cynthiabrent6479]

I can easily relate. In fact: I was forced to believe in the Christian God even though I've NEVER EVER really believe it. Didn't make any sense, even when I when I was very little.

[@wolf1066]

I don't blame you at all. Anyone who presumes to tell you what you think/feel/believe etc is not worth associating with. It's horrible losing friends, but when the relationship is too toxic, it's safest to leave it.

[@wolf1066]

@@sourisvoleur4854 They get scared enough by the thought of secularly-raised people genuinely not believing, let alone someone who once sincerely believed and then stopped believing.

[@lydiacoleman1565]

I grew up going to church and even as a child I never understood why people had to go to church to prove their loyalty. If god was all knowing he already truly knew if you were worthy of heaven and what intentions you held in your heart. I could not wait to stop going to church, it always felt uncomfortable to me. Everyone sitting and watching the same thing, singing the same songs, just felt creepy.

[@d4-v1d22]

@ There is none Good but God John 3:16, Rev 3:16 Something doesn’t make sense to me. You said Jesus died on the cross, but he came back after a few days. What kinda sacrifice is that? Also, lowest position in Heaven? Heaven has a class system? Sounds kinda weird

[@brandtmanning1084]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Come on man......

[@bay_marie]

Actually, the only way to get to Heaven is by accepting Jesus as your Savior. Going to church is just something Christians do because they want to praise and worship God, and also have fellowship with other Christians. The Bible also says that Christians should go to church. God does know everything, but if you are a Christian, you would want to go to church. Although there are many good churches out there, there definitely are some not so good ones, so if you do ever decide to go to church again, avoid those (not so good churches).

[@flmotion7017]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 u my friend either need a hobby or professional help

[@kevinhead6413]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Why? Isn't he your father,why would a father act that way towards his child,? Religion is one nasty habit too many people have!!

[@SilverSlugs16]

The “why don’t you commit crimes” one is so beyond insane to me. Carries an implication that we’d already rather rape and murder people but begrudgingly choose not to. Like, do you also need religion or laws to prevent you from drinking bleach?

[@ultimazilla9814]

You don't drink bleach?

[@dennisgawera8788]

Some Christians say "Atheism is a religion." That's like saying "Not gardening is a hobby".

[@sinchumithun1]

For real

[@holynder3181]

Now I'm wondering, is asexuality a sexuality? I've always thought of it that way, but I wouldn't say Atheism is a religion or belief system.

[@Creepalotl]

@@holynder3181 that's actually a good question

[@victory_317]

That's downright what an atheist would say imo. I'm a christian and I think that not having a religion means not having a religion lol

[@huhbooh]

"Can't hang out with you tonight man, I have to non-garden"

[@rickseiden1]

I love the murder/rape argument, because you can turn that back on them and say, "does that mean that you want to do that, but don't?"

[@mattymate]

Prior to Christianisation murder and rape were much more prevalent in societies and the abundance of village raiding campaigns, by Pagans, all round. But sure if that’s what you want to believe.

[@rickseiden1]

@@mattymate so the argument may have worked then, but today our society tells us what is right and wrong (mostly coming from the Bible). So I don't need to go to church every week or read the Bible every day to know that murder, rape and theft are wrong. Additionally, being Christian in no way insures that you choose the right from wrong you are taught. Josh Duggar is a great example. He was raised in an ultra Christian home, and he's a convicted pedophile. (That's not too say that he is one because he's Christian, or that Christianity teaches you should be one-it clearly doesn't.) The argument that without religion there is no way to have a sense of right from wrong just didn't hold up today.

[@mattymate]

@@rickseiden1 For the most part, yes. But there are plenty moral deviations in the present era that have emerged from being unknowledgeable of the scriptures, all of which are taught against in the bible that are advocated for today. I’m not simply talking about murder, rape or theft but deviations of other points, including the sin of lust which destroys many and is largely promoted. Or the murder of unborn children out of convenience for that matter. There seems to have grown a moral grey area and subjectivism as times of church abandonment went on which are beyond justification in most instances.

[@rickseiden1]

@@mattymate I agree that not everything that society says is right agrees with the Bible. And I agree that the Christianization of Europe brought about more rights and left behind a lot of wrongs. But the point here is that atheists don't need religion to tell them what is right or wrong. Society does that for them. Without saying which one of us is right or wrong in this discussion, I will say this. I do not begrudge anyone from having their religion. I'm not one of those atheists who say all religion needs to go away. If your Christian beliefs make you happy, that's great. I'm glad that you find joy in being a Christian, and I'm not going to try to stop you or change your beliefs. It's just that I don't need to be a Christian (or a member of any other religion) to know right from wrong, even if my sense of right and wrong doesn't line up 100% with the Christian (or any other religion's) sense of right or wrong.

[@iguiste23]

Yup like what the church did to Pagans and Spiritual believers aswel as too some Hindus. They commited mass murder, some forms of genocide and vice versa. It is ironic as I have had a relgious person say this to me and I looked at the guy and told him to politely go figure. In all honesty god and jesus are just fictional characters. Like Harry Potter. He's not real!.

[@CoreyDWillis]

I wholeheartedly agree that the "You were never a Christian line" is extremely frustrating, but as you alluded to, it's a way for Christians to shield themselves from considering that maybe I left for legitimate reasons.

[@nenmaster5218]

This whole fanbase hopefully checks out 'The GOP Sure Hates Queer People - SOME MORE NEWS!'

[@stevepierce6467]

It is impossible to ptove or disprove, making it an ideal christian argument.

[@VaughanMcCue]

I love that one, and I am sure it is intended as an insult because it is frightening for the believer to contemplate the folly of their belief. I asked the person to repeat their comment to make sure I heard them right. Then I respond. If you are correct, I wasn't as gullible as I thought I was - what with time, money, earnest prayer, hours of study, and assistance provided to the church and community. Those around me admired that I was on fire for the Lord as I was bold and confident in my witnessing because I always relied on the scripture. I have never heard that compliment before, and I appreciate your kindness. I always thought I was sincere and felt God was calling me to do those things, but I guess I was mistaken. Thank you. You have reinforced my discovery that I wasn't using a very reliable method for all those fifteen years. What do you do to verify the difference between God calling you to do something and imagining you are called?

[@rdizzy1]

I was never a christian, was born an atheist, and have always been an atheist, now 40yrs old, still atheist.

[@skwills1629]

It could be that You saying they are Shielding themselves is a way to Shield Yourself. You Act as if there is No Reason a Christian would say this other than to protect themselves. But lets Face Reality, Most Militant Atheists, and None that I've spoken to, have Legitimate Reasons to become Atheists, and Most of You O'd say Were never Truly Christian, and its not to Shield Myself and My Religion from Valid Critisism, or having to Admit People can Leave it for legitimate Reasons. its because You Listen to Holy Koolaid, and Think His Arguments make sense, and won't even Admit he has No Arguments since he simply repeats what he read on Atheist Websites or in Books or saw in Videos. You even Shield Yourself from People saying You are Ignorant of what Christianity Teaches by invoking Your own Silly Excuses, such as "There are 45 Thousand Denominations, they don;t all Teach what Your Pastor told You in Your denomination. Why not Learn about them?" As if that somehow Proves what You said is Believed in by Any Christian. I really don;t Think saying "Because You do not Understand what Christianity Actually Teaches, You were not Really a Christian in any meaningful sense of the term" is a No True Scotsman Fallacy. It is also Hypocritical since Plenty of Atheists say No Atheist ever Returns to Religion or no True Atheist ever becomes a Christian.

[@JayEverdeenValentine]

As an atheist, im also gay. Still human. I am a good person. And none of that makes me go to hell for liking another person whos the same gender.

[@Mercy-n4f]

If you were the decision maker in the end that would surely be true. Liking is not the issue because you can't control it, it's the rest that follows. I can't really comment because I wasn't dealt your cards, I am sure that it is difficult to walk in your shoes. But I know for a fact that good people go to hell just as much. You can be gay and follow God but it takes restraint.

[@MLockGaming]

@@Mercy-n4fdon’t you think that restraining the act of loving another is bad? Imagine accepting you’ll never have a romantic situation, you’ll never love the same way others do, and if you don’t wanna burn in hell, then you must keep yourself hidden. Hating yourself is not the way god wants anyone to live. I believe that prejudice coming from human error in the Bible. Well truthfully I don’t believe, but if it’s real, that’s what I would believe in

[@eyeofthetigger7305]

I agree with Richard Feynman: 'I would rather have questions I cannot answer, than answers I cannot question.'

[@AuralayKristine]

That's a badass quote!!!

[@martinmyggestik292]

Didn't know that one. It's brilliant!

[@AuralayKristine]

@D W sure it does!

[@AuralayKristine]

@D W You just questioned my answer, so you tell me!

[@AuralayKristine]

When you don't question the answers you are handed, you are complacent. You don't learn to challenge your own way of thinking. You end up doing exactly what you are told and nothing more. I also hope you realize how reductive it is to imply that all answers are as simple as 'what is the capital of England.'

[@stormwatcher59]

"You're too nice a person to not be Christian!" Just makes me want to scream...every damn time I hear it!! BTW, this is one of your best ever, thanks!

[@BR0K3NARCH3TYP3]

Hit 'em with a "well you're nowhere near homophobic or science-denying enough to be a TRUE Christian"

[@trillionbones89]

"I was a biggoted asshole in the name of God. Taught to hate and condemn. By becoming an Atheist I started resembling Jesus more and more. Love and Forgiveness."

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

@DrumWild Just like how their god has to remind you in his book that he's the good guy

[@ScottDCS]

Haha I get this one a lot. "You're so nice, you must be LDS? Christian? No? Well you've got God in your heart."

[@mikehart5619]

I have had Christians assume that I was a Christian too since I'm nicer than most Christians are. They are always surprised that I'm not when I finally have to tell them.

[@AlexKovshovik]

"If Americans came from British people, why are British people still there?" LOL! Thank you oh Holiest of all Holy. This is a very well put together summary of ALL my experiences talking to religious people. WELL DONE!

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

Obviously British people do not exist, they were put on that Island by the devil to test their faith

[@nemiloszorka1162]

If I came from my parents, why are there still parents?

[@AlexKovshovik]

@@nemiloszorka1162 LOL! Event better :)

[@ianjones3978]

Being in England myself, I can alas assure you that Quite a few of my countrymen are most certainly NOT all there. But perhaps that's a different argument.

[@rembrandt972ify]

I prefer if God made humans out of dirt, why is there still dirt?

[@itshanhan1]

I've never actually heard the "Whats stopping you from raping and murdering" one. Baffles me that apparently some christians think that without God we could not enact kindness, compassion, self-control or have a moral compass. If God is the thing that stops you from doing any of that I'm worried for a day on which the existence of God is finally and completely disproven.

[@thomasbrandt6677]

One that always gets me is, “how will you ever meet a good Christian girl if you don’t go to church?” Who says that only Christians are good, and as an atheist, why would the spiritual beliefs of a potential partner be my priority?

[@malomi794]

I believe that it is good for a couple to be on the same commun ground for beliefs cause at least you are on the same page, whenever you will have an issue you will both know how to solve it and how to talk it out.

[@wendydabee]

Pretty much every 'good Christian girl' I've ever known has been a seriously dirty, kinky, prolifically sexually active (but hiding it well) 'freak in the sheets'. (90%) OR so completely clueless, uninformed, and MISinformed about sex that they don't know *anything* about anything! (10%) I've always found that so incredibly funny.

[@XxInfinityxXTimer]

I witness Christian married couple seeth over non believer couple who aren't married having a good life together. As an atheist you get a free trail on relationship like seeing if both of you got good chemistry with each other and don't forget Sexual compatibility. If things doesn't work out at least you both know and gave it a shot. For Christian they rush into marriage and become unhappy once they found out they aren't compatible with each other divorcing is frown upon in that culture. There are many horror stories on how some kids grew up in a Christian family seeing their parents dislike each other for 30 years. It sucks putting kids into this kind of situation because some Christian couple thought that having kids would solve their issues.

[@Unrealistic-o9c]

Good Christian girl?

[@drrydog]

I'm hoping to meet a good atheist girl :D so I'm alright staying away from church

[@yeshgv9340]

My snarky remark for "If humans came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?" is "If humans came from dust why is there still dust?"

[@Digitalsapien]

Because nobody is saying that humans evolved from dust, genius. I bet you thought yourself so clever too.

[@-alovelygaycat-]

@@Digitalsapien Doesn’t God fashion Adam out of dust?

[@Digitalsapien]

@@-alovelygaycat- Yes, made out of dust. So to use an analogy: think of a sandy beach, where suddenly a sand castle appears and we don't know where it came from. One theory states that natural forces over time eventually eroded that beach exactly perfectly for the sand to form an image that happens to appear as a castle. The other theory states that someone that we can't see, don't know, and can't ever prove came along and made the castle. Case one is evolution, case two is design. So as I stated, nobody is arguing that humans evolved from dust. The dust was shaped into a human form by an entity with deliberate creative intent (just as was the sand castle and just as was every organism with its own distinct genetic code).

[@-alovelygaycat-]

@@Digitalsapien Ah, okay. Was a bit confused. I get your point now. Don’t believe it, but sure.

[@Digitalsapien]

@@-alovelygaycat- So uh which is the more complex form (and therefore less likely to evolve by happenstance due to natural forces) - the sand castle, or the genome of a living organism? In other words, if one finds it preposterous to think that the sand castle was formed by natural processes, one should find it far more preposterous to think that life was formed by natural processes. If you don't, there's a clear reason why, which is you don't like the truth frankly. And unfortunately, what you believe will have no affect on the nature of objective reality. It will only affect what happens to you within that reality.

[@timwebb787]

I am a Christian and it really gets me when the "church ladies" tell me if I was a full or true Christian I wouldn't do certain things like play video games or watch any movie with over a PG rating. They dont know my journey or level of faith.

[@DrNarcisse1979]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 but where did you learn this knowledge? A single book?

[@DrNarcisse1979]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 where are these instructions? In the Bible? Or do you have some more research and sources?

[@gerardt3284]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 religion has turned you into an evangelism bot

[@XxlightxX]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 amen 🙏 I'm glad to see christians sticking up. Makes me have hope in the future.

[@DrNarcisse1979]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 nahhh, I got daughters and they are not less than any man, ever. The Bible has scriptures that tell women they are not as equal as men, that man is made in the image of god etc. Fuck that shit, my daughters are sure as shit not less than any man.

[@ellisxy]

Im atheist my best friend is Catholic. Religion isn't even a convo for us. We don't try to convey eachother. We just exist as friends. Why can't the world be like this.

[@Bottleofwater-n5y]

Because begin christian means purging everyone else out, "the One true God", Does It ring a Bell? Respectfully, The fact you are Friends with a catholic means you are okay with their way of Life and abuse

[@SanityDrop]

Ask them whether you are going hell for being a non-believer.

[@ellisxy]

@@SanityDrop why do you think I will?

[@Dakonit]

Same for me

[@SanityDrop]

@@ellisxy Your 'best friend' believe in a god that says you will going to burn in hell eternally. Let that sink in.

[@cnault3244]

"You were never a true Christian" I agree. I was also never a true Hindu, a true Sikh, a true Scientologist, a true Buddhist, etc etc.

[@KilelSix]

Man, you really went around the horn, huh?

[@cnault3244]

@@KilelSix What exactly are you trying to say?

[@tarksurmani6335]

@@cnault3244 It means, you have right end point, but took the longer/more difficult route. (Around the horn, as around Cape Horn in South America, before Panama canal.)

[@cnault3244]

@@tarksurmani6335 I understand what the phrase means. But I thought you may have misinterpreted my post. I didn't mean to imply I was a Christian, then a Hindu, then a Sikh, then etc etc I had never joined any religion because I found all of them to be silly. In that sense, I was never a true fill-in-the-blank.

[@KilelSix]

@@cnault3244 oh my bad

[@dacksonflux]

When people accuse me of never having not been a true Christian I say, "You're right, I never bought it, child indoctrination just had me scared shitless."

[@arno7163]

What a nice counter, would love to use it and see people's reaction. How did people react to you when you said that?

[@drattyg8099]

I wish I had never bought it, but they had me good. I WAS scared, especially when I started realizing I was gay, but I also believed real hard.

[@enviromental2565]

I had a similar experience as a child made to go to services. I always knew at a young age that religion and religious doctrine felt fake to me, like I had to put on an act to please my mother and other "believers".

[@arno7163]

@Rib_Guy_101 If you want a discussion keep it civil and leave the condescending attitude behind. Your reaction to it is 1 of the expected for it, you ignore the statement and continue unjust or ignorant assumptions. There is no discussion because you used a fallacy (no true Scotsmen), I reply with the 'child indoctrination' point and then you proceed with avoiding any points I've made and go for ad hominem attacks. As for question about where I live, it is a country where people from a lot of different countries live, the locals aren't necessarily religious but there are people who follow religion closely because that how they grew up. They are also very reactive and vocal about it. Hence why I'm curious about reactions in general since child indoctrination is similar to a religious upbringing and would bring a good discussion and reaction. I assume you believe child indoctrination is bad but can you tell me how is it different from growing up in religion?

[@arno7163]

@Rib_Guy_101 Now this is a discussion. And there's a inside joke about the clapping thing, people say improbable or fake things on reddit (you'd see it mostly about Karens), and we say "and everyone clapped" to say it was a fake. If you found religion on your own path, I find that more appropriate and respectable than people who grew up in it with a religious community.' My parents are roman catholic, while they both practice they make me and my siblings practice as well. Religious schools, sunday school and mass. I don't know my brothers real thoughts on religion but my sister she believes. And the way they treat the whole subject I can't have an honest conversation about it and the few times I mention it my mother gives a lot of back lash. I live in another country so they can't really force me to practice and I haven't told them I'm agnostic. And I don't think I will until I'm comfortable with it because the last thing my mom told me was "you're going to hell, bye". It just turns my stomach when people say things like that, because I live my life as honest and kind as possible. "The process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically" is what dictionary definitions say, the ' accept beliefs uncritically' is what makes a key difference, because teaching morals, opinions, cultures, ethics is fine because you're going to ask questions and poke holes into them. Religion depending on where you live and who's in your community, questioning that can get you some very different scenarios some ostracized, shunned and in extreme cases killed. They can't question things without consequences and sometimes they don't want to, nothing wrong with that but it does make me sad and angry that they don't have that freedom

[@pacificbob24]

I'm 75 years old. My deconversion from evangelical Christianity took about 30 years. I asked Jesus into my heart at age 7, was raised in an evangelical home, attended bible school, picked up hitchhikers in the 70s and 80s, and witnessed and gave out the 4 spiritual laws wherever I could. When I could no longer believe in god I cautiously mentioned to a long-time Christian friend that I no longer believed in god, his only remark was "You just think you Don't." What amazes me is that no evangelical friend or family has ever asked me 'why?'. I'm glad I'm out. Better late than never.

[@pacificbob24]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I find this a bizarre reply to my post. I also find it sad probably because it reminds me of my former self. When I was a believer, I often quoted scripture or something from a daily devotional much like this. That is because I took the words of Jesus seriously to 'not lean upon my own understanding' and simply believe. Now I think for myself and accept that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. This is so liberating to be free of religious dogma and I wish this for all those I care about.

[@peterhiemstra5491]

I'm sorry this was your experience. A lot of Christians have doubts at times in their lives and I believe your friends should have been more supportive and patient. Nobody is perfect. That's why Jesus came. I'm also curious about what you mean by the four spiritual laws

[@pacificbob24]

@@peterhiemstra5491 The four Spiritual laws was a small track distributed in the 70s by Campus Crusade for Christ and other evangelical groups. (It stated - 1/ God loves you. 2/ Man is sinful and separated from God. 3/ Jesus Christ is God’s only provision for man’s sin.4/ We must individually receive Jesus as Savior and Lord) I believed and lived by these principles and shared them with everyone I met. Peter, after my many decades of being a true believer I can now declare that I am not and have no desire to go back to my former ways. The biblical promises of freedom, joy and contentment were fulfilled ironically when I left the faith. It is called faith because it is not knowledge. I have no desire to argue about one's beliefs But I do desire to see those I love come out of superstition and live life in reality. It is good to realize that the Gods, including the god of the Bible, the Quran, Bhagavad Gita and other holy books are the creation of man and not the other way around. I am now sorry I spent so many years trying to be a soul winner for christ rather than loving and respecting those people. They were good, kind and compassionate people. I only wish I could apologize

[@eyemnew2991]

Pacific Bob... I'm neither an evangelical friend or family member. But I'll take a shot at it Why ??

[@pacificbob24]

@@eyemnew2991 Thank you for your reply. I ask you to read my previous posts.

[@lyc_ant]

i got a grindr ad before this. it’s a good sign i think

[@UltraTagProductions]

I think the fact that Christans think that athiests would have no moral compass probably says more about christians than it does athiests

[@gckeeper6314]

It's called the straw man technique. To say "that says a lot more about Christians" when one only asked one person is literally an odious extrapolation.

[@UltraTagProductions]

@@gckeeper6314 what do you mean

[@espurrseyes42]

@@gckeeper6314 There argument is that atheists, because they don't believe in god, don't have morals and just want to do bad stuff. So by their own logic, the only thing keeping them from doing bad things is some man in the sky that allegedly exists and a book about him. This isn't a strawman. If it is, it's THEIR strawman. All "that says a lot more about Christians" is is turning their argument against them.

[@gckeeper6314]

@@espurrseyes42 no, that's not what I meant. In fact when I say "the straw man technique" or "the rhetoric of the scarecrow" that's just it. With more than 2.2 billion Christians in the world, you are going to take the speech of only 1 or 2 of them, and you are going to say "Christians" while generalizing to absolutely everyone, which by definition, is a sophism, or at best, if the person is in good faith, a paralogism. But the fact remains that this is a fallacious argument. If you said, "that says more about themselves" ok no problem, but saying "that says more about Christians" there, that becomes fallacious.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Well, here's something simpler I came up with, to perhaps, cut through the mess. If they do not fulfil, John 14:12... then, they are not, really, Christians. Fair...? As it got a lot more complicated than that, for centuries - without it. Unfairly so, some might say.@@gckeeper6314

[@gatorboymike]

Christian: "Why do you talk about God all the time?" Me: "Why do you talk about homosexuality all the time?"

[@Devlinator61116]

I can't like this because it's at 69 likes.

[@duplicarus]

@@Devlinator61116 it’s ok to like it now. It’s at 123 and deserves to be at 420

[@Sammie551]

Why do they talk about God to us

[@magnusm4]

me: Why do you talk about sin so much if you don't like it? Or why do you talk about atheists all the time?

[@saveriannathan1415]

@Cannabis Dreams because some of your fellas judge and condemn them in the first place. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5O2fpKhrdWCmMU

[@doggo-bn4vg]

my favourite quote is "if you need the threat of eternal damnation to be a good person, your not a good person"

[@wizdmovie9957]

That aint how it works, Jesus is the way into heaven, not good deeds

[@doggo-bn4vg]

@@owenallen5733lemme ask you this. if god is perfect and doesnt let people suffer needlessly, why did events like WW2 happen? im sure your going to say "its all part of gods master plan, those people needed to die in order to teach future generations valuable lessons." but then, my dear oh-so-wrong friend, what is the reason for stubbing your toe? or for getting a crick in your neck? whats the "grand plan" there?

[@doggo-bn4vg]

@@wizdmovie9957ok so does jesus let everyone into heaven indiscrimenatly? or do you have to win his favor somehow? maybe by doing good deeds?

[@Digitalsapien]

Jesus taught that there are no good people, that only God is good. So yeah, I'm not a good person and neither are you. We're just people. We are the candles, not the flame. So yeah, your favorite quote is egregiously uninformed.

[@Digitalsapien]

@@doggo-bn4vg "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him (the son, as made clear by context), shall not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16. It's not indiscriminately, but everyone gets the same choice.

[@AlqhemyA]

Almost every Christian that I've debated about religion resorts to fearmongering Hell and I'm just like "ok" because I don't even believe in Hell 💀

[@jennifersmith4864]

Since atheists invented religion, you should believe.

[@ThyBountyHunter]

@@jennifersmith4864 Again god created religion, man defined it with a word. I know it makes so sense to you (as you admitted) but such a simple thing is true, look up the history of the word religion. What it is was defined then, but god created what religion is.

[@sedrie34]

⁠@@jennifersmith4864 People who breathe invented genocide, should we all believe in that too? Maybe belonging to a group isn’t a reason to believe EVERYTHING anyone who has EVER been in that group has said.

[@jennifersmith4864]

@@sedrie34 I don't know what your point is. Fact is that atheists invented god & religion. Actually, religionS. You can believe or not believe what anyone says, regardless of group.

[@sedrie34]

@@jennifersmith4864 I made 2 points. 1 that belonging to a group doesn’t mean you’ll believe everything that a member of said group believes. 2 that it doesn’t logically follow that just because an idea was invented that it should be believed by others. Essentially, with my example I used a vastly larger group and a generally unaccepted idea to demonstrate the reasoning behind your original argument is obviously ridiculous when pushed to its conclusion.

[@kiral3859]

The thing I always find interesting about the "Why not kill and rape' argument is that is shows people using that argument only don't do so because they are afraid God will see it and punish them. It says more about their lack fo character than my character.

[@justincoleman3805]

It says more about their repression.

[@somersetcace1]

The answer is simple. Because I don't need fear of a God to care about other people and therefore have no desire to victimize them. However it implies that they do! So, I always tell them "If that's what you need to keep from hurting others, then by all means, don't let ME get in your way. In fact, why aren't you in church right now!"

[@ChJuHu93]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6jIk4eOaNeeaac Penn Jilette: "I have killed and raped everyone I want to [...]" My favorite answer.

[@hoopsonwheels]

It speaks to a bleak outlook on people in general. Also the mental state of the person making the argument.

[@beldin2987]

Aren't religions always the ones who sent people out to kill other people, burn down their house , kill their child and rape their wives. But i guess all those "true believers" believe that history is just a lie, right ?

[@smashyboi6887]

As a Christian I always like to receive feedback and see what y’all’s perspective is on certain matters and what I can do to better myself. Good video

[@bellautopia818]

That's really cool... Not condemning or defending keeping an open mind right on... Meow👍🫀🧠🫂🦔

[@callnight1441]

thank you for being understanding

[@MrMelonsz]

@@1Impossibleguy why did you just start laughing your arse off and then all of a sudden get really sick and vomit all over the floor lmao?!

[@regishwadum]

That’s because the “Christian” quotes in this video come from the radical extremist sects of Christianity (surprise! Those exist!)

[@paysonfox88]

As a real Christian , you should ask "what I can ask Jehova to improve in me, and through joint effort, reach the lost through his power" We are mere taps or dams for the overwhelming power and good that God wants to do. We have only to be opened, and not jam logs in the pathway of the outflow valve, and lots of good may be accomplished in this world. Love is worth the world, and purity is worth it ending. Harsh, but true. God's got enough robots praising him with no choice , it was given to mankind a choice. Choosing God's way of doing stuff is the definition of Love. It ain't saying "I am wrong" It's saying "he is right" Nobody ever living the sermon on the mount in Matthew ever came out worse off overall. They came out better, and the world around them improved as well. Nobody every honestly trying to keep the 10 commandments, as a consequence of their love and choice of God's company ever came out worse for it. (rule keepers and do-gooders excluded here, many pharisees are in hell)

[@MarkMcMillen2112]

There's one you didn't mention here that I've been hearing and it actually makes me laugh. It goes like this: "You're just indoctrinated by..." The silly thing is that I was literally indoctrinated as a Christian since early childhood and only cast away religious belief by reading various works by scientists, philosophers, other religions and so forth. Is it possible to indoctrinate oneself? Maybe, but I would take that over being force fed religion from birth.

[@truerealrationalist]

Indoctrination is a zero sum game. Everyone is indoctrinated. Yes, this includes atheists. A surefire sign that you have been indoctrinated is being convinced that you haven't.

[@Sammie551]

Well they were indoctrinated too by their family, what's the difference They'll have to explain what they really mean by indoctrination

[@GlennHeston]

I'm thinking you got "outdoctrinated".

[@mnirwin5112]

Yes, exactly. I was raised in a sort of half-arsed Roman Catholic household (I went to Catholic schools but we eventually became one of those twice-a-year Catholics, only going to church at Christmas and Easter.)

[@mareemaree5091]

I think that this claim is even one that is made by a member of one christian sect about another.

[@wynterfir]

I remember being little and going to church with my parents, I also went to a Protestant preschool. But little me would always think it was funny how the stories would go. Like the one with I think Moses talking to that firey bush. Little me was like “Oh my mans must have gotten dehydrated in the DESERT and is now hallucinating ‘god’ talking to him”. I also found it demeaning when they would try to get us to sing the songs like “my god is an awesome god” etc. When I got into middle school we’d moved states and my parents hadn’t found a church they liked, the closest one was a mega church which said “woman should be seen and not heard” which my mother did not appreciate. I think that is one of the times I’ve been proud to be her daughter because he apparently very publicly dressed down the pastor. But yeah by the time I was in middle school the scars of religion in my life reared their heads. Because guess what I’m a aroace demi-girl, which was not a great revelation if you were me and had internalized phobias against those particular groups. So that was a whole thing which led me to loathe christianity. Seeing how I treated myself and how other treated me afterwards due to its influence was an eye opener. I’m now getting ready for college and while I don’t claim to be an atheist (probably agnostic or something) I still feel uncomfy around religious gatherings. I recently went to a christening for my cousins daughter and the panic attack I had realizing I’d be going wether I liked it or not had me freaking out. I’ve now realized that I haven’t healed from what was done to me, and what I’ve seen done to others for the sake of “religious self righteousness”. All this to say that I’ve gotten the “well if you don’t believe in god why aren’t you murdering and raping people” or the “we only have morals because of religion”. Those are the kinds of conversations I’ve had stuck in a car with my dad unable to escape. I’ve found that I personally feel more safe around atheists and agnostics when it comes to my identity. It doesn’t help that the oldest and sweetest woman in my life (my granny) is an uber religious catholic. She knows I’m gay where the rest of her spawn don’t. I don’t want to break her 87 year old heart and tell her that I don’t believe in her god or anyone else’s. She still slips up when shes drunk or buzzed, “oh when you settle down with a husband” like O-O.

[@vircervoteksisto5038]

My favorite was when christians would tell me "you're not even trying to believe" as if it were some how MY job to convince myself to believe the bad argument which they were trying to sell me on.

[@erikthomsen4007]

Oh, that is so great! 😂 It seems like some people don't really grasp the concept "belief"... MAN, I'm glad that I don't live in a Bible Belt.

[@stuartdilts2729]

I mean, some religious communities say that belief is the core concept, and everything else is secondary. Since things like the trinity are impossible to comprehend according to their teachings, actively trying to believe is something they need to do.

[@Danielson1818]

I love the one guy that said bananas prove God exists, because of how perfectly they fit in a human hand. Apparently, nobody told him that modern bananas are not the same as they used to be. People have bred them into a totally different fruit.

[@AlexDraco]

Yeah, the "all things are created to perfectly fit Man" is complete and utter bullshit. Back in 1759, Voltaire was already heavily criticizing that humano-centric point of view in "Candide".

[@dogidogediggidydogedd957]

Thats really fucking weird and idk why

[@thereisnowayyouareforreal5156]

Nah the best one has got to be from that dude who built noah's ark in the midwest. Talking about how God has to be real, because how could something as complex and perfect as the human eye be a result of evolution... While wearing glasses

[@Danielson1818]

@@thereisnowayyouareforreal5156 1. That is pretty funny. 2. I did see that guy and the magical ark museum of disinformation. It was in a documentary I watched about Bill Nye. Bill traveled there to debate him. It was a one sided academic beat down, but you wouldn't know from the reaction of the corn cobs in attendance.

[@thereisnowayyouareforreal5156]

@@Danielson1818 he's my all time favourite religious nut. Just a never ending stream of self roasts

[@SomethingUnprofessional69]

"Let's go to church, it'll fun and inviting with a sense of community" -my parents The church: "if you don't perceive the bible in the exact way as I do, you'll be tortured in hell forever"

[@TreeDwellingShrimp]

Christians are scary af... Went through the same as a former Baptist. My church also used to have bonfires every so often where parents made their kids bring their Pokemon cards, CD's, etc. to throw them into the fire because there are scary dEmOnS in them. The pastor used to take CD covers and point to random designs and say, "See! There it is! Just WAITING to take your kids away from Christ 😡" and everyone went along with it like a cult. Everyone and everything is a sin. They need to scare people with the thought of internal damnation to control them. So far from Christ and his teachings that they're way closer to the Devil they fear.

[@miiguel3550]

@@TreeDwellingShrimp Have you ever been to a normal church before? Seriously bro- where were you? Im sorry you got stuck with the back alley bonfire ritual church, but still, dont even try to portray all Christians and churches like that.

[@danzjz3923]

@@TreeDwellingShrimp i agree with the other guy, wht kind of church did you go to

[@rainbowsong909]

@@danzjz3923 they're pretty common LMAO

[@danzjz3923]

@@rainbowsong909 crazy churches? yeah, only in america.

[@Kalense]

Good video. One question you didn't approach was the "how do you know what is truth?" opening gambit.

[@someprotogenontheinternet]

too simple. ask them the inverse. “How do you know what is wrong?”

[@xZippy]

"Remember guys, you gotta believe in Jesus to get saved." You hear that guys?! If you don't believe that guy from 2000 years that did things you didn't see, there's gonna be an eternity of fire for you!! Yes, that makes perfect sense. What a loving, logical god.

[@gckeeper6314]

so, at least try to know the circumstances of the time and the history of Christianization before writing anyway

[@herxantpl6183]

Ok i'm not gonna explain ny viewpoint or religion because it doesn't matter. However, if you want to do some critical thinking on some topic, try to grasp the topic first

[@ivano.thomas2767]

God gave you free will, so you can do what you want. Believing Jesus as your lord and saviour and that he died and resurrected for your sins is what gets you to heaven. Being a good person doesn't always get you to heaven if you don't believe. God made hell for Satan and his demons. God only makes it official based on the choices and actions you do on earth. You spend your life away from God, you will spend eternity away from him. You spend your life serving God and fulfilling his plan for us, and you will spend eternity with him. And that's the way it goes. It's YOU that decides to go to hell. God is the one who officiates it. If you don't like it, who's to say apart from God?

[@satanslittleprince]

based

[@Golgari213]

​@ivano.thomas2767 you sure do seem to know a lot about this God guy. You talk to him every night, or does he talk to you?

[@darthszarych5588]

Once a Christian asked me if I was an athiest, how I coped with hardships without relying on God. I think the question was asked in good faith, but I wasnt really sure how to answer because I cope in a lot of different ways depending on the nature of the situation. However in almost all difficult situations, I ask for help from people who care about me which is what I told her.

[@restart.my.hamster]

And how did she react?

[@darthszarych5588]

@@restart.my.hamster she asked me what I do when the people who cared about me couldnt help me. That has happened before, and its hard to describe how I survived, but I did.

[@stevepierce6467]

After a few long-distance solo treks and some tremendous growing experiences in college, I slowly came to realize that I myself was a pretty good person to rely on in hardship. I discovered that I had a lot of strengths and internal resources I had never developed before.

[@jgunther3398]

@@restart.my.hamster she may have given him a blank stare and she may have experienced hardships you and darth can't imagine. when you finally develop compassion if you do where will it come from? logic? lol

[@aquamarinebarbie]

you’re right and meanwhile, christian’s don’t help a single person unless it benefits their pedophilia and grees

[@ChelCM03]

As a Christian myself, I cant help but agree with you with this whole thing. It's literally bonkers to me how some Christians can't wrap their heads around other people having different belief systems or lack thereof. Christianity isn't the default for anyone, its one of many belief systems, so it's so bizarre to me how so many Christians clutch their pearls when encountering someone who believes something different

[@ChelCM03]

@owenallen5733 bro I believe all that, and others don't. It is not YOUR responsibility to "convert" others. Your job as a Christian is to live the example as a follower of Christ, but if someone doesn't believe in God or Jesus than that's that. I'm not loosing sleep over the concept of other beliefs. Atheists literally say telling the "Christ is the only way to the Father" means nothing to them. I read the Bible, I believe in God and Christ's sacrifice, but, GASP, other people don't, and that's just how it is

[@Seldon08]

thank for your comment, as an atheist i think like you, everyone should have their beliefs and we should respect the beliefs of other because it's respect have a gret day

[@thebrownfrog]

You're somewhat unlikely to see this comment, but you'll probably enjoy watching "LEVELS(basic version)". It shows why people don't understand others' perspectives

[@makeupandtheology1821]

I see your point, and especially why you want to voice it, after watching such a well done, thoughtful video. However, this isn't completely intellectually honest. If you are a bible believing Christian, than you by nature have beliefs, that don't just let you be completely cool with other beliefs. As a Christian, I believe that Jesus is the only way to Everlasting life. I deeply want all my friends and family to get saved

[@Seldon08]

@@owenallen5733 guys i just want to point out as an atheist than since we don't believe in hell or anything like that we don't want to be "saved" (i can't speak for every atheist but i think it's a pretty common feeling) So to us it's just kinda annoying. I get your point of view. But please don't try to save someone who doesn't want to be saved. (If you Can and want save other and it will probably be good)

[@CaritasGothKaraoke]

42% of primate species are endangered, and 16% are critically endangered. Humans are not among these at this time.

[@WillieUnvlkan]

Hi Caritas Good morning. I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….🌺🌺🌺

[@Cattttt802]

I consider myself a Christian with an open mind. I appreciate your point of view and admit I don’t have everything figured out. Much love! Keep making great content

[@CensingMarker51]

why can't all christians be like you???

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

@@CensingMarker51 Because Christians like him and I don’t yell as loud.

[@NerdAlert42]

@@spehhhsssmarineer8961 that's a good point lol The crazies are LOUD

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

@@NerdAlert42 They really should be banned from owning megaphones and microphones- they are way too loud!

[@vanfisher3613]

@anthony Otto keep asking questions!

[@iant2064]

You nailed the "choose to believe" thing. That one always made me scratch my head. If you're making a choice, it's not a belief it's a decision to take a stance.

[@AbandonedVoid]

I think it's because so many Christians don't really believe in Christianity, but are emotionally committed to suspending their disbelief in Christianity. Not all Christians do this, but I think the ones who accept that there's no evidence for Christianity but still say they "have faith" do. They literally choose to believe in the same way one can immerse themselves in fiction or a game of pretend.

[@amit_patel654]

You had to say "nailed"

[@amit_patel654]

@@1Impossibleguy oh that was a Jesus reference, the whole "nailed " bit

[@amit_patel654]

@@1Impossibleguy are, are you liking your own comments?

[@stevearmstrong1430]

What always gets me is the self-righteous question about how something terrible must have happened for me to lose my faith. I have never been traumatized. I have been educated. What did I learn in Sunday school. Biblical history is murderous.

[@falquicao8331]

Trauma is how they became religious, so it must be how you stopped being one, according to them

[@jrob4988]

@@falquicao8331 I mean I started out religious because I was brought up in a religious family. Thankfully, they were good with me being an atheist.

[@muchotexto4248]

Works opposite. They do something atrocious or something atrocious happens to them and they seek mercy

[@LordFokas]

Imagine being absolutely devoted to an all-powerful omniscient god that loves you inconditionally and that same god allowing something truly atrocious to happen to you. Personally I like to fight back and challenge them with the Epicurean Paradox.

[@muchotexto4248]

@@LordFokas Dude listen me out I am actually the devil 😈 send doller tru paybud or you'll risk hel in case I am right come on don't risk ur eternity

[@bperras]

Atheist: A person who doesn't require the reward of heaven or the punishment of hell in order to be a good person.

[@daryncollins7640]

theist: someone who believes in a god as you may have noticed by my description my point was not all theists or christians are like those kinds of people there are some several kind christians that get discounted and ridiculed because of people like this and im just sick of this over-gerneralization

[@SergioLopez-yu4cu]

Awful definition.

[@BrenB125]

@bperras I never thought of Christianity that way. While we were sinners, Christ died for us. Church goers dabble in gambling, alcohol, steal, have affairs, etc. True born again believers are transformed. They know and have the mind of Christ. When you meet a true born again Christian, you'll know. Most Christians are just babies as the word calls them. They take milk not meat. I currently attend 2 churches. One seems to have a lot of snobby false prophets, but one of the teachers is awesome. The other church I attend believes in Christ's healing today, but a lot of them are so ill. So even in church there are a variety of believers in attendance.

[@Doomzdeh]

A Real Atheist: Someone who does not care about morality at all and is typically very selfish and disrespectful of other beliefs

[@someprotogenontheinternet]

@@SergioLopez-yu4cuthen YOU define them *buster*

[@bblvrable]

The one of these I've gotten the most is the "If you don't believe in God, what's stopping you from murdering and raping?", which terrifies me, because the implication behind that is that the person asking the question truly desires to murder and rape, but their belief that they will be punished by God is the only thing preventing them. What stops me from murdering and raping is a complete lack of desire to do so. Even the criminal justice system has no real impact on me, because the idea of a punishment for doing something I would never even contemplate doing is meaningless. The "You were never a true Christian" one for me is just confusing, because I'm not a reformed Christian. I've simply never believed in God because the entire concept never made sense to me. I went to church a few times as a child, but it always just seemed like fairy tales to me. Belief in God struck me as absurd as believing that there was a passage to Narnia at the back of my wardrobe, or that there were trolls living under bridges. I've had people level this accusation at me, and my response is usually "... and?"

[@Llortnerof]

The true christian is a weird one. If you were, it's highly insulting. If you weren't it just falls flat. It's not very likely to make you reconsider, though.

[@Sammie551]

Yeah there are laws in the world to follow and we have compassion as well as empathy

[@ericrivera8410]

Ass an atheist I have more morals than the priest who molested me

[@seppyq3672]

Once a friend asked me how i can even wake up in the morning without believing in god. I told her I don't understand your question.

[@Llortnerof]

@@seppyq3672 Wouldn't that mean the fact you're alive and awake disproves her god?

[@wutmaa5832]

I love this! As someone who would identify as Christian it's really good seeing someone calling out the absolute ignorance or presumptuous statements that cause a weak argument. If you want to defend your argument, you MUST ACCURATELY understand the other side. Any belief you hold without the ability to properly defend is a belief you either do not have true conviction in, or do not deserve to hold. Understand those who disagree with you, and most importantly whether Christian or not, tolerance of those who disagree with you. So great to see him debunking the garbage dogmatic approach of those who believe things similarly to me!

[@anonymousthesneaky220]

Thank you so much for being a reasonable human being! I am so glad that people are able to just accept other people, I was getting worried for a while! As someone who identifies as an atheist, it is good to see someone else just letting me be for it. I'm really glad you said this, it kind of restored my view of humanity.

[@wutmaa5832]

@@anonymousthesneaky220 one of the MAIN doctrines of Christianity is tolerance and acceptance of others. Through centuries of dogmatic extremism and exploytation it kinda seems like everyone has completely forgotten about it. It's not like you're an animal without their reasons and their own set of facts/evidence to justify their worldview. The fact that it isn't pointed out regularly is honestly heartbreaking.

[@artemis7605]

Its not our job to judge people on the views or opinions, I think its important to just be kind, considerate and caring to everyone no matter their view or beliefs or whatever. No one is free of sin so we cannot judge people no matter what and I think it is best for us just to help people from all walks of life to the best of our ability or help people get the help they need for whatever problems they may have.

[@wutmaa5832]

@Barny Baylery Humans are not supposed to imitate the purpose of God. That was what Jesus said he was called to do, not what humans are called to do hence why that's not one of the 10 commandments. Because that's not a humans purpose

[@ancard3118]

I agree, it's also frustrating that nowadays the preaching culture is mostly built on disregarding the other person's opinion and not trying to expand his view on religion, which blatantly contradicts the tolerance and love that their faith suggests

[@chibbersthesquirrel6189]

"You weren't a true Christian" is DEFINITELY the most frustrating. It completely ignores the years of pain and tears that believers often go through in the slow process of de-conversion and attempts to invalidate you because your existence makes them uncomfortable. But there's one upside to it. If they're willing to actually have the conversation, and you can describe to them all the things you experienced as a Christian - The feeling of elation that you believed was the "Holy Spirit" touching you, moments like opening the Bible to a verse that seemed to speak directly to you, breaking down in tears because you were moved by a Christian song and thought you felt the presence of God - If they relate to any of these things, and they understand that you went through them and no longer believe, then they will be forced to face their discomfort and understand that it's possible to come through all of that and disbelieve. For some people, that might be their first step to recovery.

[@jinclay4354]

"breaking down in tears because you were moved by a Christian song and thought you felt the presence of God" Wait. So, when Christians say that they felt the presence of God, it's actually just a flux of feelings and ideas that they empathize with and make sense of? It's a genuine question. I was raised atheist, so I have no idea what it feels like to have a religion. It never occurred to me that those spiritual experiences they claim that they have are actually just different interpretations of my own emotional experiences. Every time I heard a Christian talk about their faith or their spiritual experiences, like "feeling the presence of God", I thought "I wonder what it feels like?". I never thought it was the same chemical process that I myself sometimes have in my brain. Like, I've just felt that feeling I call "epiphany" by reading your comment, and I've just realized that "epiphany" in my atheist sense and the feeling of "epiphany" in the religious sense are the same. You know, you might have just provided the breakthrough to communicate the pointlessness of Christian bigotry. "If those sublime feelings can only be of divine origin, then how come that I, an atheist, feel them too?".

[@madelyntielking6483]

@@jinclay4354 Yeah! As a former Christian, I felt that "presence of God" feeling. It really is just a big rush of the feel-good chemicals. The biggest "presence of God" feeling I ever got was being in extreme pain (2nd-degree sunburn) for hours on end, then finally getting medical attention for it. The medications kicked in while I was at the final worship session of the church camp I was attending. What I thought was God at that moment was actually relief and comfort. I read that other former Christians who experienced this rush have had the same feeling while going to the concert of their favorite band, or so on.

[@sourisvoleur4854]

I think it's threatening. They think "If this person was a true Christian then fell away, then I could fall away too." Which terrifies them, so they have to deny that you were a true Christian, so this frightening possibility goes away.

[@samueldimmock694]

@@sourisvoleur4854 That's definitely what it is.

[@samueldimmock694]

@@jinclay4354 Three options. 1: God for some reason provides such feelings as a gift, free of charge, in response to certain chemical changes so that there's no material benefit to belief. 2: God prefers to work within the system, if for no other reason than that it requires a more complicated system that's more fun to design, meaning those experiences are not "only of divine origin" except in the way that everything is of divine origin. 3: God doesn't exist.

[@faxllghx]

5:26 if your religion is the only reason you behave morally acceptable and not because you are a human being living in society then something is seriously wrong

[@Scorchedlnfern0]

As someone once said, "if the only thing stopping you from doing bad things is the threat of eternal punishment, then you're not a good person. You're a bad person on a leash."

[@JucăușulC]

Exactly, and actually hell doesn't exist, those who do good as they fear it are not good humans

[@SkrillDisc]

“You were never a true Christian” This statement has bothered me the most since I left Christianity. Thank you for putting in such succinct of words.

[@WingDiamond]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Why aren't we in Heaven Right Now if God wants us there so badly?

[@WingDiamond]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Is there "Free Will" in heaven?

[@charliemallonee2792]

Dude, I wish I never was a true believer. To my great shame, I once helped my mother rip out pages in her school textbooks so her students would be spared images of dinosaurs and… women singing or playing sports.

[@christianboeckh3449]

Ha! No believer could possibly tell me that one.

[@JojoJere]

@@WingDiamond we need to die to do that

[@sukikurai]

“if americans came from the english why are there still english?” that is so good. i’m going to have to remember that.

[@LordFokas]

If you let your bread go stale how come your neighbors bread is still fresh?

[@SketchUT]

“If you came from your mom, why is your mom still here?”

[@lanabmc3519]

Because the English shipped the religiously batschitt population across the ocean so they could progress with life.

[@darrel7382]

If you came from your cousin why is your cousin..... Oh sorry , that rebuttal is not going to work in the bible belt of the US.

[@sukikurai]

@@darrel7382 i wouldn’t be so sure. incest is fairly common especially among a few super religious families.

[@Sundaydish1]

A couple of years ago I opened my front door to a man and a young girl who asked if I had found Jesus. I told them I wasn't looking for him and closed the door. Why don't I ever get someone knocking on my door asking if I understand quantum mechanics? I would invite them in for coffee and want to hear what they had to say.

[@philliprobinson7724]

Hi Sundaydish. I was asked the same question. I replied I didn't know he was lost. Cheers, P.R.

[@Sundaydish1]

@@philliprobinson7724 Lol, yeah that was the answer I wish I had used instead. Have waited for another chance but they seem to avoid me now. I also want to add "Have you looked behind the fridge?"

[@wafflesthearttoad6916]

Heyyyyyy not about quantum mechanics buttttt How much do you know about Gen Chem….. And ya got any memorization tips? (*cries cause I studied so hard and got a fuckin 74% on my exam*)

[@OVWX]

It is a crime against humanity that your comment doesn't have at least 1M👍

[@Leven331]

Scientists don't think that quantum mechanics will give you eternal life

[@mj-2908-x4y]

just because atheists don't believe in god doesn't mean they don't have morals.

[@aureum7479]

Where do their morals come from ?

[@economicallyunviablekitten]

@@aureum7479 free-will, where else? we're all sentient creatures that can rationalize how their actions affect others and how they personally feel about it

[@ThyBountyHunter]

@@aureum7479 If god gives morals, does that mean if a person leave god they are stripped of their morals?

[@coconat903]

From a sane and functioning person, moral restrictions come from what they would not aprecciate​ to be done to one self. That's why we don't rape people, cause we wouldn't like our asshole to be forced to expand without our consent@@aureum7479

[@paganphil100]

@Lily-bz5fx: Correct......as someone once said, "I don't need religion, I have a conscience".

[@spectralumbra1568]

I think in my case, the "you were never a real Christian" line would probably be true. I came from a religious family and was very involved in church when I was a child, but I always assumed everyone knew it wasn't true and were just sort of playing along. God felt like every other holiday icon, like the Easter Bunny or Santa. Like obviously they're not real but you're sort of supposed to pretend that they are. It blew my mind to find out people actually believed in God, especially considering how cruelly God is so often portrayed as being. Like it was just story after story of atrocities and murders with the lesson being, "see how great and powerful God is?" And he was loving too, apparently, but somehow examples of that always seemed to be a little thin in comparison to the cruelties. One thing that kind of stuck out to me was back in church when we were first told the story about the lady that God turned into a pillar of salt, the pastor's/teacher's take on it was, "isn't it amazing how he could do something like that in an instant?" and then we grew our own salt crystals to see how long it would take to happen naturally. Like, are we just going to ignore the fact that someone was forced from her home by a higher power beyond her understanding and when she took a last look back at the entirety of the only life she knew, she was murdered for it? Not to mention that the only reason the city was destroyed in the first place was because there weren't enough people bowing down to their would-be murderer. But yeah, salt crystals are cool, I guess?

[@magicalronin]

So, you only went to church because you were told to? Because, I did. Reading some of my church's quarterlies, it just seemed a bit one-sided. Also, I kept hearing stories about how people could have died but someone else died instead of them because the living person pray.

[@gamesandglory1648]

what about god sending bears to kill 42 children because a few of them insulted a bald man by calling him "baldhead"

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@magicalronin Koolaid, a great man, resembling Hbomberguy and Telltale Atheist.

[@jacobgoodstone7572]

The thing that's especially stupid is that if you were to say that to me I'd answer: "Yes, because I'm Jewish. And you were never a real Jew AAGHDHSAAHHGG YOU'RE GOIN TO HELL"

[@monsterberger7728]

Yeah, thats why I'm weary of christans in... general

[@KimIlSnom]

“If you don’t believe in God, why are you so mad at him?” Have these people ever been exposed to a work of fiction with a villain in it? People who don’t exist make us angry all the time.

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

Literally Geofry from Game of Thrones 😅

[@bobdabuilder2424]

God is good and holy and perfect and loves you and lets you experience His creation, flowers, birds, puppies and kittens, the sunset, the wind the stars, He is worthy to be praised

[@Granad784]

​@@bobdabuilder2424Yes he is

[@chrissyscholl816]

No one is "mad" at him if they don't believe "he" exists... lmfao

[@liam2386]

the difference is their moronic belief affects laws and the way society is run

[@pinverarity]

For the tired ‘Hitler/Stalin/Mao’ line, my response is always: “They weren’t atheists-they were the gods.” They even came complete with doctrinal infallibility, word-as-law, and books of sacred scripture.

[@jiraffe9600]

The thing is that Hitler wasn’t even an atheist in any metric. He was very much a Christian.

[@PriestessOfSlaanesh]

for the 1000th time. Hitler wasnt an atheitst. They literally had "God with us" written on anything (Gott mit uns!). Its not about christs nor about you americans to decide that everyone who is not favorable is "not christian". Hitler identified as christian.... so he is. Period. Otherwise i call Roosevelt "atheist" for nuking 2 cities full of kids with a bad excuse.

[@sideshowbob]

I agree completely, & have debated dyed-in-the-wool Marxists with this logic: "Marxism is pretty much a religion, just with no God - but The Party, no Savior, but The People. If you substitute those words, the Dogma is Shockingly similar."

[@matrix91234]

Isnt that usually a problem with Autocrats though? Religious or Secular. Its the idea of total control, lack of free press, free speech. I mean i could go on.. But to give it short. Devotion cultures of Catholicism and Sunni Islam is bad because it doesnt develop compared to Protestantism or Secularism in government thanks to work culture. Second of all. Autocrats whether its Communism or Right Wingers who are anti Democracy, is Autocracy leads to oppression, whether religious or secular its all bad. My ideal government is Denmark (Social Democracy + Decentralized government) oh yeah, multiparty system voting in Democracy

[@pinverarity]

@@matrix91234 I generally agree (a few quibbles not worth elaborating). I’d add that a defining characteristic is that criticism of the institution is _always_ and _only_ addressable from within. When all challenges from outside the system are considered pathologies explicable within the system, totalitarianism has entered the chat.

[@Avgmnsotan]

I heard a pastor say once “Atheists are their own gods and since everything is temporary they will always be empty” I’ve lost faith in humanity.

[@YoriichiEvA]

What he said is true, by denying a higher power you are claiming to be your own God and to not require anything or anyone but yourself essentially focusing mostly on materialism

[@filker0]

The most annoying thing I have heard repeatedly over my life is to the effect of "Even if you can't bring yourself to believe, you should convert so that your children might be saved." I heard this repeatedly in college, where I was the leader of the tiny Jewish student group (5 to 7 students). I heard this from neighbors when I was in my 30s, and even from one manager during an annual performance review. It didn't make sense to me when I was a practicing Jew, and it doesn't make sense to me now.

[@theprinceofdarkness4679]

I grew up in Christianity and it doesn't make sense to me either It sounds like you dealt with some weird Christians However the thought that gets me stuck is why anyone who is Jewish would even consider raising their children in Christianity Obviously those weird Christians never considered the idea that maybe Jewish people might prefer to raise their children in Judaism

[@alexxxx1753]

also, let your kids make some choices. if they later want to convert, let them! just listen to your kids, dont brainwash them

[@some-one-else]

@@jjphank Did you win every debate or are you just convinced you've won every debate you've ever had? Something tells me it's the latter.

[@some-one-else]

@@jjphank Fine, I'll bite. What is your evidence?

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@jjphank God is dead, Abraham killed him. Jesus is called the Lamb of God (Sun in Aries at the spring equinox). Six months later he is the Ram of God (Sun in Aries at the autumn equinox). The Ram is slain and God is no longer a living God but a dead God. Same process begins at the next spring equinox.

[@draconicrain7609]

"If atheism is a religion, abstinence is a sex position " keeping that

[@resinfingers3896]

Beautiful

[@Haroldthecheeseman]

​@@resinfingers3896such a great quote!

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Athiesm is freedom from religion

[@BrydTempest]

Atheism is a religion based on belief of science

[@SpikeyBagel]

@@BrydTempest re·li·gion /rəˈlij(ə)n/ noun noun: religion - the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods. "ideas about the relationship between science and religion" superhuman power or powers... i suppose you could call the universe and its laws that? it's a stretch, though - a particular system of faith and worship. plural noun: religions "the world's great religions" a particular system of faith or worship... not really. the scientific method is kind of the opposite of a faith-based thing, and i don't think there's a system of worship - a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance. "consumerism is the new religion" you could say this if, and only if, atheism fits this role in someone's life

[@ruski77]

"Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right."

[@daryncollins7640]

​@@tijesunimiomisore8870 not to be rude but considering the video im assuming your a christian so if you read the bible then you would realize ruski is completely correct here would you say its moral to commit genocide on an entire land just because you wanted to live there since you felt entitled to land you never lived in before? because if not then read the book of joshuah you blasphemer same if you think its wrong to murder someone's entire family for stealing a robe

[@cinnamon_board]

⁠@@tijesunimiomisore8870I’m too stupid the understand the argument 😭

[@danielkeizer4174]

Sounds about right...

[@placesinister5995]

​@tijesunimiomisore8870 my brain cells decreases

[@257.4MHz]

Dang this is the damacles sword of the whole thing

[@Cannoliking]

7:52 Hell does not have any descriptors, other than being a godless place. If you already don't believe in gods, it wouldn't really be torture.

[@dimitrijeradovanovic7453]

As the great Gandhi would say, "I would become a Christian if Christians were really Christians for at least one day."

[@erikblaas5826]

I think the quote was something like: "I like this Jesus Christ fellow, I do not like his followers". ( but I could be wrong, I have seen the movie about Gandhi, and I think it was there where I got it from ) [ edit, corrected a typo ]

[@thewizardofodd6880]

I get that, and I myself know that Christians are so terrible at times. I apologize, however I promise we aren’t all like that

[@dimitrijeradovanovic7453]

@@thewizardofodd6880 *cough* Crusades *cough*

[@thewizardofodd6880]

@@dimitrijeradovanovic7453 Bro- what did I say

[@game__changer1515]

Isn't this like saying, "I would believe what is true, only if those who preach the truth lived by the truth?" Truth is truth no matter how people choose to act.

[@ypob2007]

As a Christian, here’s what i have to say: we have failed as a species, like, bro, wtf, we can’t even let people have their own opinions, also, in my modest, not very experienced opinion, it’s better to be a good person and and atheist, then to go to the church every day and be a bad person Edit: this is literally the fish comment i made that doesn’t have people trying to fight

[@calebleach7988]

I agree. Look at the Bible. Everything post-old testament talks about acceptance and love. Sure, they might be doing something wrong. But who cares? We can talk to them and explain their faults, but why do we need to talk down to other people?

[@vivid5591]

i agree but calm down on the commas lmao

[@looniehint2682]

wdym if you go to church everyday you can't be bad person because all your sins are forgiven (this is a joke nobody take offense .___.)

[@calebleach7988]

@@looniehint2682 sadly, so many people believe that. As a wise pastor of mine once said, that is religion, not faith. Doing good deeds doesn't put you into heaven. But doing bad deeds most certainly doesn't either

[@ypob2007]

@@HasanUnknown you could have just said “in my religion we believe that jesus is not god, and that is also written in our bibles” but cool text nonetheless

[@MelodyRose96]

My mom and I lost our faith when my mother's abusive, convicted murderer ex husband finished his sentence and became a hardcore catholic during his time in prison. My mom realized that, according to the bible, that means he was going to heaven. She couldn't believe that someone as horrible as him was getting into heaven because he prayed a lot. It really made us think about what kind of god would accept that. On that note, I'd like to see more videos on the indoctrination of inmates in prison from atheistic channels. I can't be the only one that finds the amount of convicts becoming very religious, and even pastors, more than a little concerning, right? It just feels similar to the priests/missionaries that walk through cancer wards, preying (no pun intended) on the vulnerable. Inmates are vulnerable people too, and I wish more would turn to actual therapy than god.

[@scoobydoo9579]

Interesting thought indeed. I wonder, what would you rather the ex-convicts be if you are concerned that they become Christians? Would you prefer violent ex-convicts continue to think there is no God? If those now religious ex-convicts go to Church every Sunday, would you rather they be somewhere else on Sunday? I am not religious, but I wonder what is it that bothers you with their conversions.

[@KentonTheKnight]

What's interesting is that Christians who deconvert because a murderer became a Christian, always disregard Paul being a murderer himself when he was Saul, and yet, he was one of the greatest prophets, it's always so strange why they do that.

[@TheBiblicalArchives]

@@KentonTheKnight exactly, paul was a murderer, yet he became one of the most well known Christians out there, the logic of "why would God let a murderer into heaven" is just ridiculous, if the murderer who repented can't go to heaven, I don't think anyone can.

[@scoobydoo9579]

@@KentonTheKnight Perhaps their "reason" for deconverting is just a scapegoat. I am not religious, but Jesus literally forgave a murderer who was crucified right next to him and with his dying breath forgave everyone responsible for his own crucifixion. For "Christians" who don't understand that, query how they are "Christians" to begin with and what exactly are they even "deconverting" from.

[@floogelhornzzz4770]

According to the Bible Catholics go to heaven?! According to the Bible Catholics do _not_ go to heaven! They go to hell with the devil that deceived them. Catholicism is not Christianity. It's a satanic, Babylonian, pagan cult masquerading as a Christian church, the Whore of Babylon. Rev. 17:4-6. Furthermore, praying and doing other good works do not save people. This is something true Christians (Protestants) try so desperately hard to explain to Catholics but they don't listen. Salvation is by faith, not works. Doing good after bad doesn't work. It's like obeying the law after you've already broken it. The judge is not impressed. The justice system is not about doing more good than bad and hoping you've obeyed the law more than you've broken it so the judge has to give you the good verdict. Rather, the justice system is: guilty or not guilty. Everyone is guilty of sin, breaking God's holy Law, the Ten Commandments. Exodus 20:3-17. Only Jesus was not guilty. That's why we all need Jesus so He can *trade life's records with ours,* replacing our guilty with His _not guilty_ so we can prepare ourselves for judgment. In other words, He has to _give us the credit_ for His perfect life so we can stand perfect before God, spotless, blameless and guiltless when our name comes up for judgment. That way, we get to go to heaven at the end. Only perfect people get to go to heaven, and only Jesus was perfect. And all we have to do for Jesus to do the gospel for us-the Good News of Him trading life's records with ours-is *believe* and *repent.* Both. 1) *Believe* Jesus died on the cross for your sins and 2) *ask Him* to set you free from sin. Just *say those two things* to Him in a prayer and He'll trade life's records with yours _instantly._ It's easy! That's the gospel. That's how it works. There is no Plan B. Catholicism does not teach this. They teach that you have to jump through a whole series of hoops to be saved-go to Mass, do all the rituals and sacraments, go to confession, do your penance, pray the rosary, etc., and none of this pagan nonsense gets you to heaven. But it _will_ drag you to hell. 🔥 Catholics are completely deceived and lost. This pretend-Christian "church" of the Sacred Inquisition is one of Satan's greatest religious deceptions. The religion of the Antichrist (in the place of Christ).

[@Truth-Be-Told-USA]

Hell heaven sounds man made with mansions and gold streets. Why would spirt bodies live in a mansion on a street?

[@mursuhillo242]

The exact same goes for the whole concept of Eden. Why would there be a place full of living things that can be killed, and further consumed if Dog made everything to be immortal? And no, animals killing other animals could NOT be the first incident of... well, killing. There would be no plants in Eden if animals didn't need to eat. And there would be no sunlight if plants didn't need to eat. Those iron age men simply didn't understand that plants are also living beings. Just like us, or donkeys, or capybaras.

[@jahcode6132]

"If you're an atheist, what's stopping you from murdering and raping?" Me: "Nothing, lock your door tonight."

[@Valkyrie_BookClub]

😂😂

[@Teacup44]

😂😅😢

[@owlised]

law... sadly..... Unless you do it in a homemade boat in an unclaimed sea space

[@vrijmens]

Fear of God.

[@owlised]

@@vrijmens .... you didnt just say that

[@TheKnowledgeMan101]

Anytime religious people use the argument of "You were never a true believer", I always like to respond about how if a person decided to become a vegetarian, that means they must have never been a true omnivore

[@tryingnottobeasmartass757]

As a Christian myself, I despise the fact that other Christians say that to former Christians. Of course, many Protestants believe in a doctrine, found neither in the Bible nor in historic Christianity, that states no one who is truly saved can lose their salvation. At the same time, they believe that if you're "truly saved" you'll demonstrate it by certain prescribed behaviors. If you stop demonstrating those behaviors, that puts them in a dilemma, so they have to explain it away somehow. The "you were never a true Christian to begin with" is their excuse. As a former Fundamentalist Baptist who is now an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I get told the same thing. I just roll my eyes at them.

[@silverstardust3398]

That's a nice one :)

[@actionsub]

@@tryingnottobeasmartass757 And the "once saved always saved" doctrine is a twisting of the Reformed doctrine of "perseverance of the saints", IOW, the legitimate saint proves their salvation by staying faithful until death. The doctrine you speak of (one I grew up with, btw) says quite the opposite: that once you are saved, God is obligated to keep you no matter what you do, and apostasy is impossible. You are correct in that such teaching is not Scriptural. To settle the cognitive dissonance, they point to 1 John 2:19 that says something to the effect of "they went out from us because they never were of us." However, that is not an accurate quote...not to mention it's pulled out of context. The verse in question speaks of false teachers (antichrists). Such teachers eventually parted ways with the believers because they held different views to begin with! It does not mean that any Christian who departs from the faith was NEVER a true Christian.

[@IAmR1ch]

You have to understand why they say this and why it is a false teaching. There are a number of Christian religions that follow Calvinism. They believe once save always saved and you cannot lose your salvation, baptists and some others. So when they get someone like you, they have no other choice to say you were never a Christian because they believe you cannot lose your salvation or turn away. But the bible makes it clear in the parable of the seed and the sower. The seed that fell on rocky ground. Jesus explained this as these people accepted the word gladly but they only lasted a short time but when trouble and persecution came, they fell away, or it could have been the cares and desires of this life, or the other reasons in the parable. This describes you, you because you were Christian, you fell away and now are on the way to hell. Happens a lot because narrow is the path that leads to life and few find it.

[@IAmR1ch]

@@tryingnottobeasmartass757 I should have read your post. I said the same thing to this guy, calvanists believe once saved always saved, surprising that baptists believe this even though the parable of the sower make this clear that once save always saved is false teaching.

[@emm2summer261]

As a Christian it's really painful to hear how other Christians talk to others who aren't like them. There's no such thing as being a "Good Christian", we are all human, we are not perfect. We all have flaws. I hate it when others think that they are always right or they are never wrong. Plus, I don't like how some try to force others to church. It's always better to invite or suggest, not be threatened to go.

[@nepnepguythegreatestofall]

I'm a Christian too, and I agree with this. You can tell them the Word of God, no problems with that. Using hostility to turn them to God doesn't make you the perfect, shining knight. And even if many will consider atheists as sinful people, Christians, including I, are in the same boat.

[@everythingfangirl548]

I agree with both of you as a Christian too. We aren't any better, that's why Jesus died for us y'know?

[@pilot_bruh576]

Born as sinners

[@calebleach7988]

Which is why true and good Christians aren’t hypocrites. We accept our mistakes and seek to fix our faults.

[@AaAaAccslytrflp]

I agree, i'm also a Christian

[@scotmacrae7962]

Evolution is a process that results in changes in the genetic material of a population over time. Evolution reflects the adaptations of organisms to their changing environments and can result in altered genes, novel traits, and new species. Evolutionary processes depend on both changes in genetic variability and changes in allele frequencies over time. The study of evolution can be performed on different scales. Microevolution reflects changes in DNA sequences and allele frequencies within a species over time. These changes may be due to mutations, which can introduce new alleles into a population. In addition, new alleles can be introduced in a population by gene flow, which occurs during breeding between two populations that carry unique alleles. In contrast with microevolution, macroevolution reflects large-scale changes at the species level, which result from the accumulation of numerous small changes on the microevolutionary scale. An example of macroevolution is the evolution of a new species. One mechanism that drives evolution is natural selection, which is a process that increases the frequency of advantageous alleles in a population. Natural selection results in organisms that are more likely to survive and reproduce. Another driving force behind evolution is genetic drift, which describes random fluctuations in allele frequencies in a population. Eventually, genetic drift can cause a subpopulation to become genetically distinct from its original population. Indeed, over a long period of time, genetic drift and the accumulation of other genetic changes can result in speciation, which is the evolution of a new species.

[@davie53]

"You were never a true Christian" My response would be: "Glad we agree on that."

[@bendingdemon6483]

"That's the whole point"

[@thetruebodyofchristrestored]

The point is that if you were never exposed to real Christianity that means you were never able to make an objective decision.

[@bendingdemon6483]

@@thetruebodyofchristrestored This comment is worse than the whole of the Westboro Baptist Church

[@thetruebodyofchristrestored]

@@bendingdemon6483 Nothing I said would make me like Westboro. You are just overreacting because you dont like hearing truth.

[@bendingdemon6483]

@@thetruebodyofchristrestored that right there is EXACTLY what the WBC does "YoU jUsT dOn'T lIkE hEaRiNg ThE tRuTh" nah man, it's because I just don't care

[@LucentDragoon]

"...Christians might actually take a cue and stop using some of these" I'm afraid I'm a bit too pessimistic, Christians will never stop using most of these because for many of them it's all they have left.

[@HolyKoolaid]

I don't expect all of them to stop using these, but I hope some do.

[@MM-vs2et]

You should check out some modern christian neoapologetics

[@janepatton8100]

@@HolyKoolaid To the point that you made about atheist not having a belief in God, therefore a person who has a belief in God wouldn't be an atheist ... As a self proclaiming atheist, why did you make a video about suppressing your *"belief"* in Hell, which necessarily requires a belief in God... 🤔? Also, Christians will never stop using the "you were never a Christian" argument because it comes right from the Bible... but of course you knew that already.

[@josiahferrell5022]

@@janepatton8100 The fear of hell is a lingering scar from being scared into submission since childhood. I don't personally struggle from it, but many Atheists do.

[@janepatton8100]

@@josiahferrell5022 Yes many.

[@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596]

The fool says in his heart,"There is no God" The wise person says it out loud.

[@aubreyleonae4108]

Awesome responses.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@DrumWild Fool, in biblespeak, is the confused winter season of hardship and the cursings.

[@oscargordon]

If a fool can figure it out, why are there still so many people living in the 21st century that can't?

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@oscargordon The fools all want to go to the mythical Heaven in the afterlife.

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

Not very wise to say the truth when you are outnumbered and among those who don't like to hear the truth, yet claim to own it.

[@CollaateraL]

Been an atheist sense I was 10 years old I’m 27 now. I pat myself on the back for learning the truth at such a young age.

[@deputyhobbs9683]

Learning to think freely will do that to ya

[@abdielrodriguez1386]

The “you were never a true Christian” argument is like telling a kid they never believed in Santa. Like of course they did it’s just after questioning things you come to learn that he’s not real

[@Iamwolf134]

It's a lot more abstract, a construct as it were.

[@allmigthygoddess939]

Children can never be actual christians, cause they're just children who don't know any better. They are simply being indoctrinated.

[@magnusm4]

"You were never a true christian" 8) oh? So I suppose you follow the bible BY.THE.BOOK every single word and message as divine? Read every true ancient version to the most complete version we can find in it's original Greek language? So you're a true christian believing cursing children to death in the name of god for an insult is perfectly fine, that humiliating and stoning disobedient children to death is the right action and that slavery and rape is completely fine and acceptable cause Jesus said it was? If you don't fanatically and absolutely devote every Sunday and action to worshipping and following every single word of god as the absolute undeniable truth forever and ever to the same level as people in 500 and medieval times, then you're not a true christian.

[@abdielrodriguez1386]

@@allmigthygoddess939 I mean I feel the same way about adults, all of them are just indoctrinated into Christianity most adults are usually in very vulnerable periods of there lives or are looking for a change and lured into the lifestyle of Christianity

[@Nokyyyyy]

Nah I was born that way I miss brlieving in santa tho

[@Stinkycorgi]

So grateful that as a European, being atheist is not as questioned as in America.

[@alehlete830]

True in euorpe if ur not rleigous nobody cares and moves on with there day while in America dammm and in Arab countries dammm chill

[@judahkozel8270]

I live in the Bible belt and nobody cares if you're an atheist.

[@YTDariuS-my6dg]

Come to Balkans my friend, you will have authentic Religious Prejudice experience!!!! I am in an unending struggle against the will of the masses. I must conform or I must struggle. Three words may spell social doom. "I don't believe." Chaos.

[@felixgaede6754]

Especially east Germany. Now, I live in the west near Cologne, but my parents are from the old GDR (German: DDR). And every time we are there for vacations, you just feel that the people think differently, they seem more calm and, in fact, sincere and many of them don't believe.

[@JoshBeck-z5m]

Bruh in America we have a Supreme Court case over weather or not a coach is allowed to pray by himself within public view. You would not believe the amount of anti Christian bias in American academics, I have considered going to college in Europe to avoid the bias here in America.

[@xemity2]

I've heard the argument "you'll start believing when you're at your worst" and I'm just shocked she didn't realize that's basically just a coping mechanism. I will not have my last speck of hope be religion, I refuse.

[@liberty_bibertyy]

I also hate that bc I've been at my worst (well so far) and it didn't change anything. And it's annoys me that people use god as a coping mechanism instead of actually growing from the experience. It's like giving up. Idk how to explain.

[@xemity2]

@@liberty_bibertyy ikr

[@roems6396]

It’s the old, “there are no atheists in a foxhole” argument. It’s factually wrong, and just displays that religion appeals to those that are desperate and have nothing to lose.

[@Nokyyyyy]

I also realised when he talked about rape that prople created the Bible to encourage people not to rape, and the people in his point would basically be rapists if they didn't believebin God ??? Wtf ?

[@vickypedia1308]

I'm an atheist, my therapist is Christian, and I've realized he's suggested for me to pray whenever he couldn't think of a way to handle my problems. If God could fix this stuff for me, then I wouldn't be going to therapy now would I?