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[@secretsofdune]

What did you think of DUNE PART TWO? Drop a comment!

[@SK4M_Freal]

Gutted I missed this, I've seen it 5 times now and want to go again today, i can't enough of it. Its just as i knew and absolute masterpiece and my new fave film EVER!! From the moment Paul wakes up it just goes sick 🤯🤯🤯

[@flyingnorseman]

Took me 30 minutes to re-attach to real world when I left the movie. That hasnt happened since LOTR or original Star Wars. Had to pee halfway through and just couldnt bring myself to walk away. It was just amazing.

[@lucyrobinson2814]

Over an hour for me after viewing #3 in IMAX, walking out to men in Leicester Sq, London with loud speakers and sandwich boards shouting about Jesus against the counter shouts of free Qu'rans being handed out...whilst the queue for the next showing built up right by them. I may have shouted Lisan Al'Gaib...maybe...just maybe...😳💪

[@brysonfreeman7226]

Or Harry Potter or The Dark Knight Trilogy

[@JamesSmith-hw6tl]

Fully supported the adaptation by Denis. I loved the split between the Fremen on Paul's role. Giedi Prime was amazing. Lea S was great as Margo. I also loved Rebecca's portrayal, the BG are scheming always.

[@friedux2065]

Sure, but Jessica isn't a died in the wool BG, the reason why she's interesting is because she defies the BG. Her behavior in the second part just comes off as forced.

[@JamesSmith-hw6tl]

That's fair. She does challenge GH Mohiam a bit at the end.

[@daliasaravia1443]

The Chani change, like Denis said, was to enhance the “cautionary tale” of Paul… the way faith blinds people while others use it to control and gain power….. I absolutely loved this film, it almost felt like not breathing but in a good way? And the cinematography MY GOD!!! And the SOUND DESIGN!!!! Incredible.

[@neutral_narr]

Sure but people have the right to disagree with it.

[@daliasaravia1443]

@@neutral_narrtell me where did I say they can’t disagree?

[@neutral_narr]

@@daliasaravia1443 settle down just stating the obvious. No need to get defensive.

[@seanhartel5362]

They overdid it with Chani. It was way too much and felt forced by the end of the film. I loved it despite all of that. Just left a little bit of bitterness in my mouth and I found myself rolling my eyes.

[@MROJPC]

⁠@@neutral_narr Well, actually, you are the one being overdramatic. Calm down. Sure, people have the right to disagree AND also disagree with your disagreement. In end these are just books and just movies. It’s actually great to have the freedom to choose one, both, or even neither.

[@timr8657]

Bring on Dune Messiah and the 3x4-hour special edition set!

[@seanhartel5362]

Denis never does special additions or releases deleted scenes. The movie is the movie, periods. Which sucks, because I’d love to see an extended addition of both. But he’ll never do it. Once it’s cut, it’s cut.

[@timr8657]

@@seanhartel5362Generally speaking, sure. But, Dune could be a special case. If scenes were cut purely for running-time reasons, and not for reasons of pacing, esoterics etc...

[@seanhartel5362]

@@timr8657 trust me dude, he’ll never do it. Stop hoping for anything more. And that’s mw hoping I’m wrong. But it would go against everything he believes in as a director.

[@nodrama490]

❤❤❤

[@nodrama490]

I’m happy he made Paul kill the Barron it was perfect 👌

[@westloves]

One of the best movie experiences of my life, as a book reader I couldn’t be more satisfied with DVs adaptation, far surpassing my expectations

[@johnmckiernan2176]

It's a fine adaptation. So was the first movie. He's not filming the book, he's making a movie. That's valid.

[@MROJPC]

Thank you for a such a great dialogue. This actually reminds me quite a bit of the discussion after the Lord of the Rings films, and if anything, led to renewed appreciation and interest in Tolkien’s works. It certainly heightened my appreciation for the books and the Professor’s other works and the reputation for the film’s themselves has actually increased over the past 20 years. As far as Dune goes I really think the cautionary, environmental, and social commentary are as important today, as they are for all times, and I specially leaned into that part of the discussion. I am really not interested in experiencing these films as adaptation, but that takes a good deal of compartmentalization. In the end, when I want to read a book, I will read a book. When I want to see a movie I will do that. But people should feel free to experience them as they please and be ok with disliking them - as long as that respect is mutual.

[@secretsofdune]

My pleasure. Thank you for articulating your point so well. I think this is the way in which we should all be thinking and moving towards.

[@zorak964]

In the first movie, there's a scene where Gaius Helen Mohiam asks the Baron to allow Jessica and Paul to survive the attack, saying, "allow them the dignity of exile." However, in the second movie, Gaius tells Irulan that the Bene Gesserit wanted to eliminate the Atreides for becoming "insolent"; and Irulan replies saying the plan failed because Paul Atreides was actually alive. It seems contradictory because Gaius intervened for Paul's life in the first film. After all, did Gaius want Paul dead or not? Did I miss anything?

[@MoietyVR]

The Art and Soul book also has a section on Chakobsa that shows some translations and the orthographic version of the language.

[@colinfitzgerald007]

It is the PERFECT companion piece to go along with the novels.

[@manakin5]

What an amazing cinematic experience! I loved the visuals, although like many others I'm not sure how I feel about some of the many story alterations compared to the book. A few of them I'm totally ok with, but others I'm not sure yet. I'm giving myself time though to think about it and will need and want to see it again, maybe twice, before I know how I really feel about it. At the very least though I take this film very seriously, and readily admit that some of the sequences are just remarkable and amazing to watch. That's something I definitely can't say about any of the prior adaptations.

[@luke_skinner]

When Paul kills the Baron, he gets him on the left side of the neck and says “you died like an animal”. Is this a reference to the gom jabbar of the Baron in the book? Being that it’s a test of human/animal, and that it’s in the same spot the gom jabbar is held?

[@johnmckiernan2176]

It also calls back to his other grandfather's bullfights.

[@zekel787]

I mean realistically the biggest issues I had with part 2 is Chani and Paul's relationship and Paul's sister. The weight of over 2 years before doing anything should have been there. It's a very big and what seems like a fundamental change to those things. But over all agree with your initial spoiler free review. It's still a very good film and I want to see it again

[@wayfarervisual]

I was fortunate enough to see a dune Double Feature in IMAX and I can’t but see the two parts as one film now. What an experience. I think I loved basically everything. There were the obvious departures, it it’s hard to imagine being the one stitching everything together to include EVERYTHING and yet have a well paced balanced entertaining film that would invite all movie goers, rather than be a completely niche film just for the handful of us book lovers and not get a trilogy because of low box office numbers… it’s a juggling act that I wouldn’t want to take on.

[@Saalome84Blue]

...according to Czech movie shop, Dune Part 2 will be released on 4k blu-ray at May 29.

[@rangereric18]

My favorite aspect of the movie was the fact that both Paul and Jessica were transformed after taking the Water of Life. In a way, they both died and emerged as radically different versions of themselves.

[@johnmckiernan2176]

The wording - I can't remember if it's from the book - was really interesting. "You will die." They both came back as not quite human. The Reverend Mothers are not quite human, they're puppet masters. They're missing the small perspective that defines individual human fulfilment. That's what allows Paul to sideline Chani and choose the narrow way, he's no longer an individual, he's an amalgamation of lived memories, a collective consciousness. His care for individuals is at war with his concern for the species.

[@acerock013]

i really loved this film and i think the changes DV made were all in service of the best story it could summon based on the themes its focused on and i think it really worked. In fact I would go as far to say that DV improved upon the book with his two biggest changes.

[@neutral_narr]

Disagree but what we got is something to admire

[@DuneSpice]

I’m still processing 😂😂😂

[@secretsofdune]

Now you know how I feel 😂

[@thecarter8700]

I loved it … had some issues But pretty much all relating to Chani But I did like the first one better

[@bradchadley1261]

I absolutely loved it. Probably my favorite movie of all time.

[@friedux2065]

My biggest complaints were the change in Jessica's character, Paul not being at Jamis' funeral/giving water to the dead and Thufir being omitted, otherwise an excellent film.

[@craiggallagher4461]

I absolutely loved both part 1 and 2 but having processed part 2 over the past couple of days, I’m really starting to notice a large sense of disappointment by some of the things they left out (especially the Guild Navigators and better showing how space folding works) or changed either due to being cut or adapted to run into part 3 of Dune Messiah, which just now got me thinking regarding Thufir missing: - Maybe some of his scenes will return in a Directors Cut / Extended Edition (which I am really hoping for despite understanding Denis’s thoughts about directors cuts) - Maybe part 3 will start directly after part 2 like part 2 did for part 1 and therefore, Thufir may actually be there at the end of part 2 but you don’t see him till the start of part 3 after Paul dispatched the Fremen on their holy war. One can hope right? 😅

[@myopenmind527]

I had to watch it twice. The first time I was constantly comparing it to the book. I left feeling it wasn’t quite a movie of the book. The second watching was 1 night later and by then I accepted the adaptation and as a result I totally emerged myself in the experience and have to say it is a masterpiece. I will watch at least two more times during this cinematic release.

[@hendrsb33]

Just got home from watching DUNE: PART 2 this evening. Loved it! At first, I was concerned about book details that had been left out but, as the movie unfolded, I found that I was satisfied by what story Denis did focus on. I was satisfied with Paul's evolution from the first movie to the second. When Paul declares his "terrible purpose" to the gather Fremen factions, I felt the weigh of Chalamet's performance. I liked that the Fremen of the North and South were divided about Paul's leadership. The division felt politically realistic that Paul as an outsider was in question and that not everyone would agree on such an important step in their fight for independence. It would be too easy and a cop-out if everyone readily agreed on everything. I was happy with Alia as a fetal influence from the womb. I know that Frank Herbert envisioned her as a young child but I think it would've felt unrealistic and silly for a child to act with such believable adult gravitas, capable of killing an adult. I don't think it worked for David Lynch and I don't think it would've worked for Denis either... he was smart enough to figure out a creative workaround to solve the Alia problem. I was still happy that Alia had a presence, a prescient look at her in adulthood. And lastly, I loved the epic scale of the landscape, the ships and the battles. Even though none of those things exist, I was able to suspend my disbelief in a way that did not take me out of the movie. I didn't bother me that Denis made changes to the story because it made the story feel new in a way that I could still believe it. Unless produced as a series, there's no way to realistically stay completely faithful to the book, portraying everything that I wanted to see. Movies aren't perfect because of their time constraints and hopefully Denis can add in DUNE MESSIAH what he had to leave out from DUNE PARTS 1 and 2. I loved it all. So far, I'm totally satisfied by what I saw and I want to see it again while it's on the big screen.

[@nomaad000]

Just saw it today, I want more.

[@chugg159]

Glad to see most critics caught most of the flaws in the film. People are starting to open up about their problems with part one (I kinda figured). Part Two is a 10/10. I'm glad to see that while my Rise of Skywalker concerns were legitimate, the movie made right on those worries. It did what I thought it could not, and I enjoyed it the whole way through. P.S. I somehow saw it on February 29th. Public showing.

[@BethHTX327]

I loved the movie for sure but the Paul/Chani thing absolutely drove me nuts! The ending absolutely sucked. Cut the movie off just 30 seconds earlier after Jessica says the war has begun and I would have liked the ending so much better. Denis put himself in a box that he has to get out of now for no reason.

[@MoietyVR]

Did anyone have a chance to go through the art and sould book yet? It is so good and explains things I didn't catch in the movie like the "imperial tent".

[@ritwikamajumdar5967]

I haven't read the books. Watched both the movies and loved both. Can anyome please tell me why the other houses refuse to honor Paul's ascension? Duke Leto was very popular, so much that the Bene Gesserit was able to plant seeds of jealousy in the Emperors mind. Right? Also mother Mohiam said to Irulan that she planned to end the Atreides bloodline and also pleaded the Baron to spare Jessica and Paul. Was she lying to Irulan? Doesn't Irulan have Truthsayer (or whatever) skills? Or she was wanted to control Paul using his desire of revenge? Just asking.

[@johnmckiernan2176]

"Also mother Mohiam said to Irulan that she planned to end the Atreides bloodline." She kind of did, whether Paul survived or not. She was planning to constantly inbreed them with Harkonnens. The daughter that Paul was supposed to be? She was destined, according to the Bene Gesserit plan, to marry or at least breed with Feyd Rautha, who they saw as manipulable, malleable, just as his father was. Who knows how many times they interfered with traits in the Atreides line they did not care for? Who was Leto's mother? Was she picked by the Bene Gesserit? Seems likely.

[@ammanbansal2265]

Tbh, that battle scene needed to be longer. But watching it twice in theatres and in IMAX, it was an experience to remember. If possible, I will make to try hitting it in IMAX a couple more times before streaming! LONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS y'all!

[@1984-i1w]

under the sea a santa!

[@dune2themaker]

There are many differences. One of the other things I found a bit off was the way Paul intended to “destroy the spice”. Using nukes. That totally omits the Water of Life and any kind of secret knowhow to destroy spice.

[@stevespain6445]

@14:15 as dangerous as blindly following original works, as the only way of telling the same story.

[@secretsofdune]

indeed, nobody is saying to adapt anything word for word. I hope that goes without saying.

[@iamthesayyadina]

@@secretsofduneyou’d be surprised… sadly.

[@secretsofdune]

I think that's impossible to do, even as a TV series!@@iamthesayyadina

[@stevespain6445]

@@secretsofduneIt's humanity, there are folk who believe that the 80's film is superior, irrespective of how objectively any 1st year film/performing arts student could show otherwise. So of course there are going to be book fans who believe that because "x" is left out/altered the film(s) is somehow inferior, despite part 1 & 2 capturing enough of the story well enough that it is clearly an authentic telling of the Dune tale. For me, Villeneuve's genius in these films is how authentic the changes are, given the passing of time since the original works, etc. I like the diversity amongst the Fremen, even if that's along the line of Northerners, which aren't quite like the 'city Fremen' of the books, but still provide some difference amongst a planet-spanning culture. I like Chani's change, because it creates a depth/complexity of character that wasn't in the books, and for non-book readers creates a more obvious "What Paul is doing in not morally good, even though you may have fallen for his charm." I don't think the Fremen should speak something sounding like Arabic, languages change radically over the span of hundreds of years, little alone tens of thousands - I don't think Herbert would have been upset by any of that, apart from he was someone who clearly understood artistic licence, he accepted his own limitations. Like the first film missing the banquet scene, and the mentat's and navigators not getting much/any expose of merit, I do think there is plenty of room for improvement, however, that doesn't change it was a masterpiece, for me.

[@kevinhenry834]

As we learn more about what was cut do you plan on assembling one of your deleted scenes videos? Hopefully more light will be shined soon on Thufir and Tim Blake Nelson's scenes.

[@secretsofdune]

Yes I plan to in the near future.

[@marcosalvarez9826]

I feel relieved I have not read the book. A lot of the issues people are having with the film are directly related to DV, not following 100% what's in the book. Maybe that's why I have no issues with the movie.

[@thecarter8700]

For sure … I wish I could go back lol And I only really have one issue It was a great movie

[@azmodanpc]

I hoooope that in Part 3 DV doesn't change too much of Messiah. Warts and all. SPoilers Alia and Duncan need to be a couple. And Chani and Paul need to be together in the end (Paul knowing about Irulan slipping her contraceptives until the end) to conceive the twins.

[@whysnjsjej]

Just got back from the movie in Imax Loved it as a book fan Masterpiece

[@vladmods]

Thank you for reminding the audience of the sense of the Mahdi / Muad'dib/ Lisan al Gaib! So many seem to miss the point, accepting basically a PR move to justify the movie script. The Bene Gesserit did not invent the religion of the Fremen.

[@secretsofdune]

You're welcome. I think it's a pretty common mistake many have made or assumed, that their entire religion is made up. It definitely isn't and I'd argue that if the Mahdi legends were not among the Fremen long before a Bene Gesserit came, she would have a harder if not impossible task to establish said legend. It already had to have existed among the Fremen centuries before and that's something people miss. This obviously comes from Islam.

[@dasmysteryman12]

I would assume that the North Fremen believe in the original religion but without the Bene Gesserit meddling and less fanatical. I remember one of them (Shakili?) saying that the Mahdi must be Fremen, and got the impression that movie Chanj was skeptical because Paul is a foreigner, not Fremen.

[@iamthesayyadina]

[WARNING! DUNE MESSIAH BOOK SPOILERS POST] I think it’s imperative to the plot for Chani to have twins, because it’s one of the main reasons Jon Snow goes north, I mean Paul walks out into the desert alone because his prescience only saw Ghanima, not Leto II (The Younger) and didn’t see TWINS, so he doesn’t want to be a burden on the tribe. Leto II The Elder and Irulan’s attempt to prevent Chani becoming pregnant (again) are easier plot lines to lose than the twins. My bigger concern is how to do Messiah without a time jump and 14year old Alia and Hayt/Duncan’s relationship that feeds into Children, even if someone other than DV picks up the reins. I’ll be sad if we don’t get Children to finish Paul’s arc and I’d prefer it be DV at the helm.

[@alexmartin3143]

Jon Snow goes north because of Chani’s twins? I missed something… Ohhhh i see what you did there

[@RangerMcFriendly]

Digital code expiration on steelbook is June 2026 so June release!

[@pinchevulpes]

Anyone else get the feeling that Aliya was running the show after a certain point?

[@azmodanpc]

They got around the fact she wasn't a 2 year old child that killed the Baron like in the book.

[@johnmckiernan2176]

Hmmm. Possibly. Why were the Bene Gesserit so fearful of a foetus taking the Water of Life? I can't recall. Are they merely a bunch of collective memories without an individual self? At points, though, I thought Jessica was lying about what her child said to Paul. After Paul took the Water of Life, he could hear her for himself. Before? No.

[@johnmckiernan2176]

Oh, I just recalled what happens to Alia in Dune Messiah. Speaking of which - spoilers - do you recall that Paul tells to his mother that they would win by "acting like Harkonnens" or "being Harkonnens" or some such? Hmmmm.

[@craiggallagher4461]

David Lynch's 80s version of Dune despite having it's many problems, is awesome and I think does a few things better than Denis's version which are masterpieces but slightly lacking in a couple of areas concerning adaptation of characters (some outright missing) and missing some crucial story beats from the book which Denis's seemed to be trying so hard to stay true to but ultimately falls a tad short in the end.

[@jamesoloughlin]

Missed the live chat, but I hope once Denis is done with Part Three there will be someone to take on the next series of books.

[@mathewsandford3796]

I'm dreading this - just speculation - but I suspect they will narrow opposition to Paul in Dune Messiah. I can't see DV venturing further outward into the Dune Universe at this stage. I'm guessing no Guild, no Tleilax (although maybe, since we need Hayt) and Chani's character altered so that she represents the Fremen opposition. I'm also guessing that we won't see the twins - since that opens a future story arc that DV can't resolve in this trilogy. And Alia? Not sure that's a character that we'll see developed too much either. I suspect that DV wants to close his trilogy, not establish a further franchise.

[@MoietyVR]

To condense the time again for messiah I could see Chani showing up already prego with twins (skipping the first Leto baby) and Irulan trying to terminate the pregnancy by poisoning her which ends up inducing labor, making the twins preborn and killing Chani.

[@MoietyVR]

On second thought that would make the twins and Alia about the same age which wouldn't work.

[@Khannea]

Beautiful, however... Less than 50% of what was in the movie was in the book, less than 5% of the book was in the movie. The interpretations of Giedi Prime was stunning. The Harkonnens are a more terrifying despothic state than anything ever imaginable in human history. North Korea, hyperpowerful, inescapable, a brutality barely conceivable. I thought he could have gone a little further with technological levels of the Fremen. The Sietches bit a bit too lean for me.

[@mathewsandford3796]

It's a very narrow interpretation of Dune. I'm surprised that Warner would support it. I have enjoyed it, but I feel that it will make extension of the Dune universe very challenging. It really focuses on Paul and Jessica/the sisterhood. Chani and Alia are severely altered - so much so that it would be difficult to realign those characters to the source as we move forward into Messiah. And no Mentats or Guild. It's very finely honed. It doesn't leave many opportunities to leverage the film's vocabulary to create a franchise (which is, I'm sure, what they're excited about). Beautiful films, but very narrow.

[@deannekwon6822]

I had to plug my ears a few times! Pretty loud at times,, but awesome!

[@j10betty]

Witnessed Dune 2 in imax last nite. Packed theatre an after it ened. Not one person clapped. People have no soul in ohio. It was sooooo incredible. Still working through the novel

[@seanhartel5362]

Just because no one claps doesn’t mean they didn’t love it. A lot of people around me in my theater looked totally stunned. Which arguably is a sign of a deeper impact.

[@DuneSpice]

People clapped in Arizona

[@johnmckiernan2176]

Just saw the movie. Every time someone does anyone remotely impressive around me from now on, I'm gonna cry "Lisan Al-Gaib!" and drop to my knees. I liked the movie. I found the ending vaguely disappointing, and I thought what they did with Chani was very interesting. I can't imagine how they can make Dune Messiah without reconciling Chani and Usul, though. I think Denis will be working on that script for a loooooong time in order to get it right. The very tragic tone was a surprise. Oh, and there will be a Part 3. No doubt.

[@macklee6837]

I thought it was alright, I still feel the actors were more convincing and invested in their roles in Lynch's version, but I absolutely loved the bits on Geidi Prime and the black sun. Loved that

[@loref5258]

Is it me or a lot of the Ghedi Prime ambiance was inspired by her ginger designs? A few shots on ghedibprime reminded me of those hr giger images

[@useofthirds481]

How much do we think they are going to condense the 12-year jihad?

[@StephensCrazyHour]

Loved the movie, hated Chani

[@Mahhhdeee]

@ 17:26 for anyone wondering yes there are def ppl out there who get upset at this stuff. One of my disc acquaintances didn’t like dune part 1 specifically bc they used Islamic culture “in a bad way”. I ofc corrected her saying they appreciate and show Islamic culture in a good way. Its just embarrassing that ppl can be upset over something so misconstrued

[@secretsofdune]

I think if they had tackled it head on, they might have gained more respect and avoided basic criticisms like that. If they really tackled the colonialism head on, used Arabic, showed two sides to humanity, those that are extreme, those that want peace. I wouldn't have seen any problem with that. I think by just offering little inspirations and hints, mostly avoiding it, they perhaps shot themselves in the foot in some regard. The criticisms have existed since Dune Part One as a result with some valid points being made by journalists and scholars.

[@Mahhhdeee]

@@secretsofdune I see your points. As an artist I too would’ve enjoyed making a brand new language specifically for the fremen as Denis did with the sardaukaur and harkonnens but I do get what you’re saying. Much love btw I enjoy your content!

[@tandepasta7716]

Islamic culture? I never thought of that. I believe it is nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense. Women fighting on the battlefield? A reverend mother? A Bene Gesserit legend that sparked their belief and opened the door to extremism? Please, get real, it's not because this is a desert planet that mohamed was there.

[@vsedits8731]

I just left the cinema 20 minutes ago, and I don't know what to say

[@vladmods]

"It could have been so much more"

[@ArrakisCentral]

I missed the stream, dang it

[@jccouture13]

I went to iMax twice to watch and it was even better the second time. In my first viewing the changes were naturally jarring to a long time book reader who greatly appreciates Frank Herbert's works. However, upon a second watch with my brother who knows absolutely nothing about Dune I have an even greater appreciation for this adaptation than anything previously done in the medium. This movie was always going to have aspects that disappoint book readers that expect an 1:1 adaptation that would need to be like 3x 5hr long movies. However, I believe it absolutely will not disappoint most folks at the theaters. It is bringing so many to the Dune universe, and it really drove home the most important themes of Herbert's work in a masterful way. If we are being honest there never really existed a universe where I or any other reader wouldnt want more of the book on screen. However, after reflection, my personal feelings of the changes are honestly almost entirely positive. I absolutely loved the Fremen not being a homogenous group of fanatics. It made them and the world feel so much more real. I was always pretty ambivalent towards book Chani as a character. She was always just very basic and more a vehicle to move Pauls story. So I'm very excited to see how her changes play out now that she feels like a real person and the tension is palpable. The Bene Gesserit have never been better portrayed, especially Jessica. She was always manipulative in the book, but the darkness in the movie just really sells just how much these witches plot behind the scenes. I think this portrayal sets the stage for a Bene Gesserit prequel show quite well. Which I'd love to see. The changes to Alia were very tastefully done. It was way more relatable to general audiences while still being quite faithful to the weirdness. When I told my brother about book Alia he was straight up like... "Nah, that's way too much, this was plenty weird." With the time crunch Paul was the only natural choice to kill Baron, and it was straight cold blooded. No notes. Circling back to reservations about Part 1; the presentation of the Harkkonen feels much more understandable to me now seeing the amazingly done Ghedi Prime homeworld. The infrared stylizing to signify their black sun, and hints to their "water" being contaminated with chemicals, the cold brutality of their home was all just masterful world building. It makes the Villeneuve approach to their appearances feel exponentially better than goofy mustache twirling redhead villains of the book. Plus let's be real, their sheer brutality being the focal point of their evilness plays so much better to the general audience than "redhead cursed gay pedos bad, black hair with Greek ancestors good.". That 2D archaic thinking would never fly today in a film. The movies so far have tons of great easter eggs for readers to show tribute to the source material, and I love them all. They pulled my heart strings at every turn, but I am not without criticism. My main disappointments in Part 2 lie with Thufir, the Guild and Leto 1.5 being cut. I really hope Leto 1.5 and the Guild make it into Part 3/Messiah as a sort of bridge to clean up the expedited timeline, and the animosity between Chani and Paul. Thufir sadly has no chance of happening at this point, but I do not see how you properly do Messiah without the Guild. Which leads me into the one major thread I wish was better portrayed in both movies. The Mentats/Suk Doctors and other aspects of the world that exist because of the Butlarian Jihad. However, I think we lost those fully fleshed out characters in the first movie because they were trying to secure a general audience's interest in a Part 2. They couldn't faithfully do it without an hour plus of extra exposition and difficult to portray characters in an already nearly 3hr long movie. This is understandable, but I have consistently felt Piter, Thufir and Yui deserved more time and development. Ultimately, I trust Villeneuve believed the time just wasn't there for being well received by general audiences and readers alike. If we are lucky, maybe we will get to see more of these aspects in the planned show which could afford a lot more exposition than an arthouse movie. In the end, it's not that Villeneuve can do no wrong and isn't beyond criticism. It's simply I don't agree that something isn't a masterpiece simply because it didn't fully flesh out some aspects of the source material I love. These movies are clearly staged to become one of the most important pieces of fantasy cinema since the LotR trilogy. They will make something I have loved since I was a young man so much more relatable with friends and family. I am immensely thankful we have the best director we could have ever hoped for, and I won't go out of my way to tear down what I feel is honestly the best adaptation of Dune I will likely get in my life. I will instead find a way to appreciate both the vision of Herbert and Villeneuve in their respective mediums because they're both masterpieces of their time and place.

[@angelodasilva6858]

Very good points. As a reader of the books and just saw the Imax version, you have valid points. Me being the selfish reader of the book, I wish both films were longer and had those scenes. But, it is extremely difficult to transpose to film. Also, the division among the Fremen is more realistic. In a planetwide society, even within the tribes there will be differences between them. So, not all the people will be homogeneous and united following Paul. That would seem too simplistic in the real world.

[@angelodasilva6858]

I forgot to mentioned. You were spot on regarding the Bene Gesserit. The director protrayed them very well, especially how they are manipilative.

[@romanglinnik8073]

I didn't get spoiled luckily, and got a very good seat at an imax cinema just in time. It was an incredible experience! Edit: yeah I wish the Fight against Rabban was longer. Dude died far too quick.

[@basedjager3144]

I was disappointed by the lack of emotional build up in the movie, no Leto ll death, no Hawat death and the long live the fighters moment felt a little empty it lacked a speech where paul would talk about how the Fremen have been oppressed for decades by the harkonnen and how Paul’s people was also massacred, slowly cheering the Fremen and us the audience up and then climaxing the speech with saying Long live the fighters ! Why was Shishakli a traitor ? A Fremen would never work with Harkonnen or the emperor to betray his own. I didn’t really understand the purpose of the first scene where they kill Harkonnen and then take their water, the scene is very long and this time could’ve been used to give us Leto II or Hawat

[@stinginshape4567]

My Dune 2 ending explanation. Paul can, thanks to his power, see all possible futures, he has deduced that only one path will lead to freedom for the Fremen, so he finds himself forced to make decisions that go against his morals. I see Chani's character at the end of Dune Part 2 as Diane Keaton's in The Godfather Part 1, when the door closes on Michael Corleone. First of all, Chani is angry and frustrated because Paul is using the Fremen's beliefs to his advantage and making them slaves to him. Chani wants the Fremen to fight for themselves, to be equal among themselves, to fight to be free, but not to fight for a leader who alienates them (they have already been quite alienated from the Harkonens). She is also angry because the man she loves escapes her and no longer entirely belongs to her, since he becomes this messianic figure. For her, Paul is not this false prophet but simply Paul Muad'Dib Usul, the man with whom she fell in love. Additionally, at the end during the final meeting with the Emperor, Chani is upset by Paul's marriage proposal to Irulan and terrified by his choice to attack the other great houses as she fears for the many victims that this will do in her people. That's why she leaves at the end of the film, she doesn't want to break down and goes to calm down outside, she's on the verge of tears, she feels cornered. Chani loves Paul and for love, she will have to accept to suffer in silence, to be a woman in the shadows, the one who knows Paul best, her pillar. It’s a very feminist scene, a tribute to all these women in the shadows behind a great man. I find that Chani in the film is more interesting than the one in the book because her more nuanced position makes her more tragic and helps show how much she loves Paul.

[@neutral_narr]

Doesn't hit the same, but yeah, I see your point.

[@seanhartel5362]

I would maybe agree with you, but it felt completely forced and out of place by the end.

[@JamesSmith-hw6tl]

Denis stated in an early interview that his story of Paul was very much like that of Michael Corleone.

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

Mahdi was said a couple times I think

[@secretsofdune]

Possibly, I just recall Stilgar whispering it once. There may have been more times it was said, but the prominent phrase I recall was Lisan Al-Gaib.

[@hypocriticalsatire3966]

​​@@secretsofdune There was an elderly fremen that told Paul to ignore the nonbelievers when they first reached Sietch Tabr calling Paul Mahdi

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

@@secretsofdune Yeah I agree with your overall point. It's strange they said Mahdi but didn't properly get into it. What was the obstacle if they've already acknowledged it? Even had the word remain unchanged. I guess they aimed to acknowledge it but ensure the primary association is the more fantastical invented phrase

[@secretsofdune]

Thanks for that@@hypocriticalsatire3966

[@secretsofdune]

Yeah I think it's political connotations they wanted to avoid @@pseudonymousbeing987

[@josevelasco216]

Okay, so I just came back from the cinema, and I have so much to digest for sure. But I am sure of one thing. I am one of those who haven't read the books, and yet I noticed that Chani felt very modern, and you were also debating it, whether it was a good change or not. I feel like you can have a pick, for sure. Which one captivated you the most? Probably when you read the books, you kind of fantasize of that support full of love and faith. But in the movie, it works so much due to the inner tension. It's not about a war outside, it's about what he knows he is risking. Losing Chani is definitely the highest stake! Besides, it shows you the inner war of love and hubris we all have. What an experience... incredible. I loved all those beautiful and fresh cinematic sequences (so many things to highlight in here), the structure and the narrative (and all thanks to that odd experiment Villeneuve did, of giving us so much exposition in the first part), the acting, the sound design, of course the soundtrack (which is really just a highlight that comes from the first part).... I am astonished. I am surprised. I was NOT expecting this. Not at this level, oh no... Villeneuve... oh boy...he is the man. The Messiah!!!

[@Tianshanwarrior]

Very good film

[@KarmaVultureBand]

Love David Lynch and I love Dune… the 1984 movie imo is pretty damn awful

[@iamthesayyadina]

Lynch didn’t even read the source material. Weirding modules??? 🤮 And Kyle MacLachlin and Sean Young were the most miscast actors for Paul & Chani. I saw that film when it came out and tried to talk myself into loving it, but it’s honestly the worst. Gurney is carrying a pug around in the desert because…he needs an emergency water bag?

[@hypocriticalsatire3966]

Gurney only carried the pug during the initial Harkonnen attack. Its called a war pug by fans because of how lost in translation that scene is. I think the pug is supposed to be a Atreiedes family pet (theyre shown to have pugs in Lynch's Dune) that Gurney is holding onto. Still goofy to run into battle with it though.

[@iamthesayyadina]

@@hypocriticalsatire3966 I know…. /sigh It’s just so exceedingly stupid. I’ll die angry at that film. 😆

[@hypocriticalsatire3966]

@@iamthesayyadina Have you given the spicediver cut on KZbin a try? I have a love/hate relationship with the theatrical cut but that 3h fancut honestly turned things around for me. Removed so many dumb choices like the rain at the end.

[@Zennofobic]

nope 2 days to go for me 222

[@jeffmarlatt6538]

Although I was looking forward to seeing Thufir Hawat & Count Fenring, they were not necessary to the story. I'm glad they were cut out of the film. I liked what they did with Chani. She was an ethnic Fremen who wanted the best for her people. She wasn't into all the religious ideology. I wasn't expecting that, so it was a pleasant surprise. What they did with Alia was excellent. The character was present in the narrative but in a way that wasn't silly or awkward. Well done. The dynamic between the more secular Fremen of the North and the Fundamentalists of the South was a positive addition. The hesitancy of Paul moving south because he knew what that leads to was nice to see. He wanted to be ethical and not harm innocent people. But he eventually gave in and allowed the Jihad to occur. The scene where he finally gives into his dark side and embraces his Harkonnen heritage was superb. The Bene Gesserit manipulation of events was a pleasure to watch. And finally, I liked what they did with Feyd. His character was explored in a way that was interesting and not just as a set piece there to play the foil.

[@roccsterx]

A masterpice, and will be known as one of our GOATS for sure

[@obscuresoundz]

think part one was better as an art house moview; part two hade worse dialogue and script but great battles, end fight was poor as was the emperor, also how the barron died was crap

[@nicco-sixty]

Ah, it is lisan al-ghaib, thought it was some different word since in the movie they pronunce it with "g"

[@letosgoldenpath1993]

The movie itself was stunningly beautiful, well-paced, and well written, but I have my reservations about calling it a masterpiece. While the messianic message and dangers of the "messiah complex" was a pivotal part of the book, much too much was left out. Alia was a critical character in the original book. Cutting her out took what could have been a very interesting character out of the mix. I was also disappointed that the Spacing Guild and Thufir Hawat were missing from the story. Additionally, how they threatened the Spice was not practical. Nukes would likely have not destroyed the worms, but pouring water into a pre-spice mass would have killed the worms and destroy the spice completely. The Guild knew that, and hence submitted to Paul's rule (he who can destroy a thing, controls a thing). Finally, I have to admit they are "woking" this story. Chani simply wasn't this important as a character as they are making her out to be in this movie. Yes, there is a strong love bond between Paul and Chani, but it is a sub-plot and not the major thread. They do realize she dies in the next story, right?

[@Themonist]

Guys, is it woke having a background female character in a movie?

[@neutral_narr]

@@Themonist settle down people are allowed to disagree with elements of the film

[@letosgoldenpath1993]

It was not so obvious here, but I fear how they might misinterpret Chani in a future film. Forgive me for seeming suspicious, but we are talking about modern corporate entertainment that has an obsession with diversity, equity, inclusion politics within the entertainment medium. Remember, they changed Liet Kynes into a female.I wouldn't put it passed them. @@Themonist

[@Themonist]

@@neutral_narr Pretty sick of people being triggered by totally normal stuff that was totally normal 5 years ago but now apparently is not because some grifter said so on the internet. It is incredbly tiring seeing the same wording, the same patterns over and over again, like a hive mind.

[@Sam_T2000]

@@letosgoldenpath1993 - it’s okay to have women in movies… Kynes’ sex wasn’t central to his character, and the actress they cast was good in the role, and I even think ecology is sort of a feminine science, nurturing plants and caring for the environment and all. and expanding Chani’s character to give her a larger role isn’t “woking…” I don’t even think the expansion was necessarily tied to her character, the skeptical side of the Fremen just needed to be portrayed, and Chani was the best vessel for that. I don’t think either movie was perfect, but I completely understand changes being made to convey the story succinctly.

[@schmidtbrosband]

I am at peace with the long, torturous character development issues, which convincingly removed the difficulty in believing Paul was consumed by fate and not a caricature. That burden was a make or break deal. I suppose that I wanted to see more exposition about spice's importance and its use by the Guild. Perhaps part three will do some of that when they introduce Edric, and more strangeness using the Tleilaxu element behind Hayt. Alia will be a wonderful, complex character I will savor in Denis' treatment. I don't see why the twins couldn't be in part three early except where Irulan needs something to do vis a vis her complicity in their conception. Edit: I am still confounded that Denis doesn't just release the cut footage separately from the finished product. I can hardly believe he is playing some profit long-game based on scarcity psychology, but that footage represents scenes which may never be filmed ever again.

[@jlpower]

As a huge fan of the source material for close to 30 years, I’ve always loved the way Frank used the character of Paul to comment on how fallible people are when religion and leadership get involved. As an agnostic person, I’ve always identified most strongly with those undertones. For me personally, Chani has always felt a bit disjointed and one dimensional when compared to the other women in Dune. While a departure from the source material, I much prefer her as depicted in this film as more than just another person who blindly goes along with the belief as Paul being the messiah. Her love for Paul is second to her love for her people. Her seeing their blind faith to Paul as their eventual undoing makes her a far more interesting character than just the compliant bearer of his children, especially considering how powerful all the other women are in this story.

[@lawrencenicolaides2361]

Watch in 4dx

[@Sam_T2000]

it was meant to be seen in 69420DX

[@Yanel5795]

Denny can do no wrong! He is the FilmMahdi. The chosen one, the voice outside of hollywood. The one to show the golden path to film making.

[@beagle989]

dune directed by dunis villedune is one of my favorite movie trilogies

[@jeniallenby8389]

sorry i missed it

[@regis_red]

God Emperor will make normies freak out 😄😄

[@davidpax]

My main complaint is that it is very slow. I know that Villeneuve makes slow movies and that more happens in the second part of the book, but it doesn't have to be 2,5 hours. I was a bit bored at times.

[@xsanctom]

Bored during Part 2? Did we watch the same movie?

[@10Shun]

Spoken exactly like a TikTok moviegoer 😂😂😂

[@robertdownie6135]

DV is constantly quoted saying the book is the sacred source material so why would he change anything? Why mess with the time line or edit out characters and events to such a degree? Disappointing, rather hypocritical and unnecessary.

[@iamthesayyadina]

Because he’s making films not a series on MAX, (which I’d very much prefer, but I’m beyond grateful we’ve gotten this much.) But they’re two wildly different mediums as far as budgets go. The fact he’s gotten two made of this book that is still awesome and more true to the spirit of the source material than any former attempts is nothing short of miraculous if you know anything about the film industry in 2024, and we’ve got TWO more strikes on the way. IATSE and Teamsters.

[@vladmods]

​@@iamthesayyadina No, they as different as one wants them to be. Liet didn't have to be black woman and die like that. Chani didn't have to be a girlboss or a comical free thinker. Stilgar didn't have to be like this. Thufir should have been part of the story. Piter was important. Dr. Yueh needed more scenes. Jessica wasn't like this. No, the efforts to build support took years , not months. I could go on. All these decisions are not based on the medium: they are simply what the people running the show wanted to do. They didn't want Dune: they wanted a movie based on Dune. Since it is their version, despite promising to deliver something faithful, they can be criticised for it. And they should be criticised for it if you want a decent Dune Messiah film. Praising a bad script will only bring you more bad scripts. Remember Game of Thrones?

[@nobodymissesphilofthefutur8237]

Have people forgotten how adaptations work? If you’re feeling like this is just a soulless committee movie, this isn’t it. The changes made in this adaptation are all pretty reasonable considering the timescale they’re working with and the focus they have. I miss the dinner scene. I miss Thufir. But I can see why they’d cut it. As for everyone complaining about the changes to Chani and Stilgar, their changes mostly serve as for audience accessibility and for just general entertainment. Having Stilgar and Chani literally be on two sides of the Fremen spectrum make it clearer to the audience that this is a contested issue and highlights how much the fanaticism changes the status quo the further into the plot they get. It’s more entertaining to see Chani love Paul but still reject the events to come for her people. Stilgar also brings a good level of humor now that Duncan Idaho is gone who was the main source of levity. If you think there shouldn’t be humor and these characters shouldn’t have more agency to be closer to the book than I agree. There should be a perfect adaptation with more nuance and time for each character. However this still keeps the theme of dangerous charismatic leaders in tact, which I would consider the overall point of Dune. They even spell it out because they’re worried the audience would lose that focus. Which is again, a loss of nuance to make sure it is still accessible to the general masses without abandoning the message.

[@TheNeuralist]

Movie version of "Chad."

[@thataintrightisit]

As a ME person, are you at all surprised by the erasure of the Arabic influence? I agree with the cop out comment lol

[@secretsofdune]

Definitely not surprised. More disappointed than anything. I understand the decision given the subject matter. A braver adaptation might have done it.

[@johnmckiernan2176]

I was surprised they used the term Mahdi so much. And prayed by touching their heads to the ground. You're not going to miss the origin of those cultural habits.

[@lucyrobinson2814]

Viewing #1 IMAX with Part 1 directly before...left utterly discombobulated afterwards and quite angry at the changes. Even cancelled one of my Sunday viewings. Viewing #2 yesterday March 2nd after watching Danika and Quinn's reviews and Dune Saga fan reactions, I went in with a different head. Eyes leaking after Paul's Water of Life awakening and sobbing with happiness and awe by the end, at the masterpiece we have actually been given by DV. Viewing #3 IMAX Leicester Sq, London this morning. It took over an hour to come down from the existential state I was in after that experience. Surrounded by first time viewers in the best seats in the house and none of us could move from our seats until the lights went up. Pure perfection of Sci Fi on screen and we welcome the legions of new fans to the books and Herbert's Duneiverse 🧡🧡🧡🪱🪱🪱🐁🐁🐁💪💪💪