Dune: A Reactionary Masterpiece

[@MorgothsReview1]

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[@michaeljames4904]

Check out the documentary Jodorowsky’s Dune, mate.

[@ianjones8564]

Morgoth, I am a 17 year old boy from London and I need you to please help me. I have your video 'Deep Fried Human Nuggets' shared under ny name ('Ian Jones is a fake name) on an old youtube account that is easily accessible via a google search. I have applied for a primary school teacher apprenticeship programme and I know that they routinely check applicants social media accounts for any material they consider inappropriate. I understand that in these times we can rarely afford to put our beliefs before financial gain but at the same time I think we sometimes have to be pragmatic (there's a reason most use fake names in our circles). I understand that you cannot simply take down or privatise videos on the fly but I am begging you to please make an exception and take down/privatise 'Deep Fried Human Nuggets'. I know this is s big ask but I don't know where else I can go, I have tried every other avenue since August last year (when I first realised the video was saved). This matter has cosumed my entire life and I have stuggled with sleeping at night for fear of what may happen if I cannot become a teacher. I am not asking this for my own selfish financial gain, I am simply asking so that I have a means to an end in life to sustain myself and a family I hope to start. So please can you consider my request because I have no idea what else I can do. Thank you.

[@habibikebabtheiii2037]

Check ian

[@frogsgottalent1106]

FrankHerbert was aJew and this came out throughout the DUNE saga. Not least of all in the ' missionaria protectiva ', the sowing of myths across the universe in the event that one of ' them ' might wash up onto the scene and need to gain influence. Herberts son Brian and fellow writer Anderson, eventually shit in the nest with their Dune sequels by overtly addingJews ( using the actual termJews) into the DUNE universe. Much like the current contemporary Marxism is being shuvved into pop culture franchises like Star Wars et al.

[@MorgothsReview1]

@@ianjones8564 I'm not taking the video down, I suggest you look for ways to access your old account. I also think you're making too much of this, that video wasn't 'Hate' it was an exploration of how inhumane factory farming is.

[@sweetiesquad4lyfe582]

'Your analysis of Dune says more about you than Dune itself.' - Never truer words.

[@darrenrenna]

Totally agree.

[@theotherserge]

It's a perfect take. Peruse all the comments and get an immediate confirmation.

[@aritovi]

Great remark, indeed. Dune is very open to interpretation. It's a very rich and extremely original world. I consider it a excellent dystopian view of a possible human future. It's a powerful warning to major threats to humanity. The books expose a lot of them: Tribalistic instincts (Clans=Houses); decadence and corruption of hierarchical power structures (Imperium); Colonialism (Harkonnen rule of Arrakis); Blind cult of a personal leader (Paul Messiah); Eugenics (Kissatz Haderach); Manipulative secret societies (Bene Gesserit, Mentats, Space Guild); Resource scarcity and environmental disaster (Dune planet); Political domination of religion (Jihad); Excessive dependence on technology and Artificial Intelligence degrading human abilities and permitting the control of the society by a powerful few (Butlerian Revolt); Consumerism and hedonistic values weakening the human will and character (Society of opulence in the courts vs hardship and personal efforts). Etc... It is not pessimistic, it's a wake up call.

[@WiseOwl_1408]

@@aritovi a lot of it was based on real word systems. Spice is oil. Houses are countries. The spacing guild is OPEC. This is from Herbert's own words.

[@jamiemunn9200]

The awesome thing about dune is its 100 percent realistic... both political sides can find an identity! It's fantastic!

[@eezonly1sand0s54]

Maybe that's why Frodo "got on the boat." After facing down Sauron, you can never go back to the Shire.

[@khaledsamaha3412]

true sad story

[@artemis01]

For me, this was an allegory of what should happen when you destroy power, which is what the ring is: pure power. The Grey Havens are a portal through which you can only enter if you have given up power. You understand that the goal should be to destroy power, not create more of it. The only freedom is to reject copying each other in the desperate race for power and to live as different people, but together. This is what Frodo understood. You're right, he couldn't go back to the Shire, but only because no one in the Shire would understand this lesson about power, even though they had all just been under oppression by evil forces. It's one thing to feel power flow through you (as when Frodo put on the ring) and to be oppressed by power. Frodo had become so different to his fellow Hobbits that he could not return to them, and in precisely this way, his ability to become truly different, he had given up the pursuit of power and could enter the Kingdom of Heaven

[@Prometheus7272]

@@artemis01 The ring is evil not power

[@DrCruel]

@@artemis01 Tolkien was a WW I vet. He knew what PTSD was. That's what Frodo had.

[@robnobert]

once you find the Truth, the Truth that is as reality shattering as you hoped it was... depending on how much Truth you asked for, you might find yourself wondering why you ever hoped to see it -- but alas it doesn't matter. You have. And there is no going back short of a helluva bonk on the head short of death preferably.

[@sleepingphoenix1281]

"Fear is the mind killer"

[@michaeljames4904]

It’s a very untutored attitude to fear. Superb novel; but the mantra implies it can be made subject in the moment to willpower. It can’t. As I learned years later. Overcoming it systematically is chiefly a matter of rehearsing something as close to the fear-inducing stimulus, as possible, over and over and over again - which desensitises the amygdala fear centres - that’s why you get things like simunitions and paras “milling” i.e. repeatedly punching each other square in the face.

[@gaseredtune5284]

“When I need to identify rebels, I look for men with principles” Leto Artreidies the 2nd God Emperor of the universe.

[@Dominic-fd2wz]

"People would still drive cars, there'd still be jets, and there'd still be supercomputers and so on, but the texture and the nature of life would be different in every respect."

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

B O W D E N

[@louduva9849]

Cars are pretty gay, tbh. Toxic individualism. #BicycleNationalism

[@CrapMyHat]

@@louduva9849 Every young tech guy rides his bike to work. Doesn't change a thing about the state of the environment or give them racial consciousness but they feel good about themselves I guess.

[@MotesTV]

@@louduva9849 I think cars should be built locally and one should not drive a car that one cannot repair.

[@MotesTV]

@@CrapMyHat I did it to save money on ubers as my work was usually yearly contracts, so why buy a car and haul it around the country doing programming jobs. I just bought a bike where I went for year and then left it there when I departed.

[@Arkeo36]

The situation Morgoth described in his hypothetical Star Wars sequel, in which the protagonists of the first story turn to a paranoid, repressive witch-hunt or purge as happened after the Bolshevik Revolution is handled quite aptly in Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam, the sequel to the original Gundam tv show. The Earth Federation (a stand in for the Allies in WW2) defeats the Principality of Zeon (space axis) in the first series, and then the Earth Federation's secret police/special forces become the villains in the next show, in which many of the protagonists are explicitly former Zeon soldiers who just wanted to live freely in space as space colonists, free from absorbtion back into the earth's hegemony.

[@Gilberto90]

To be honest, if someone nerve gassed a space colony of innocent people (and has the mass of a small asteroid) and then dropped it on Earth then I'd chase those responsible to the ends of the Universe.

[@Arkeo36]

@@Gilberto90 but that's where things get interesting: if we consider that "Mobile Suit Gundam" is a historically based action drama that tells a story inside the finctional universe in which the events portrayed in the show happened as real events (think of how the film "Pearl Harbor" portrays historical events for entertainment vs real events of history, which we can never really be sure of given the highly charged political ramifications of those events), how do we know for sure that the colony drop operation actually happened at all, or at least as presented in the show? If we follow what we know of our own world history, there is plenty of reason to suspect that the Earth Federation may have good reason to make up any number of falsehoods in order to vilify space colonists and their dissident political movements for decades to come.

[@nowaskmehow]

@Lunam #NeverForget

[@StarboyXL9]

@@Arkeo36 Based

[@gt9927]

He who controls the spice, controls the universe

[@havebadday7850]

Spice 😂

[@mankyscotchgit4986]

He who controls the memes controls the universe.

[@huboikjuh7326]

Malum Nexus Spot on.

[@marktyler3381]

That's why the US is still in Afganistan.

[@PaIaeoCIive1684]

Being obtuse here folks, but Herbert's 'spice' is analogous to oil on our planet. Presumably, he proposed the Atreides are the US empire and Harkonnens Soviets, yeah? A clumsy analogy but Herbert carries it off grandly, though given the degeneracy of the west the opposite should be the case.

[@misterkefir]

Morgoth reviewing Dune..? Oh yeah! Count me in, brother. This is a long one, too. Great stuff. Herbert's Dune is a masterpiece without a doubt. Thanks, cheers and God Bless.

[@RichieW]

"There is no feminism in Dune" Hollywood: hold my Soy Latte....

[@KittSpiken]

@Peter King they are a feminine group, measured against the ideal woman. Feminist are masculine, measured against the ideal man.

[@KittSpiken]

@Peter King femme fatale

[@acropolisnow9466]

@@KittSpiken great point that last part there

[@KittSpiken]

Peter why

[@brownfox3180]

@Morgoth's Review please consider doing another Morgoth & friends stream, it's been ages and would be great to listen to your take - along with some dissident right guests - on the current Corona madness...I bet so many of your regular viewers (myself included) are climbing the walls at home because of this bloody lockdown. A good few hours of listening to a Morgoth stream would do us the world of good!

[@kimkkendrick3542]

There are 2 outcomes to this fake pandemic where only 100 Americans may have died and I think about 37 brits. We didn't have this bollox for ebola, HN12 or anything else. There was that massive war game shite Western world wide dealing with a scenario of just this thing occurring. Option 1. We're fked and it is the NWO Option 2. All the pedos in Hollyweird, governments, parliaments etc are going to be exterminated and the real sun will rise again. I'm in God's squad, but this is not end of days like some eedjits are proclaiming, I've read the book, it does not go down like this 🙏 ❤️ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@angelicinspirations]

@@mikeymouse3758 It isn't fake as such. My daughter had coronavirus a few weeks ago. It is awful, but so is flu. She felt really wretched but said she felt worse years ago when she had flu. Lucky it did not develop into viral pneumonia in her case. What is fake is the way the numbers of dead are presented in a vacuum. Large numbers of people die every year of flu and other ailments. The country does not turn into a gulag because people die of flu every year. Why now? Older and vulnerable people could and should be protected, but to shut down schools and destroy small businesses? On that basis, I think it is fair to declare this coronavirus, a fake pandemic.

[@Bane_questionmark]

I think an angle that's often overlooked is the connection of pseudo "new age" practices to the existing power structures in the world of the book. The mentats, bene gesserit, the guild, and many individuals use things like meditation/hypnosis techniques and psychedelic drugs as forms of "psychic technology", but these things seem to be largely kept from the masses. They make the system ultimately function, the proles continue to exist in a sort of industrial cyberpunk dystopia only they're governed by seers and cults instead of AI and bureaucrats. The religion of the Fremen is still tied into this sort of new age aesthetic as it also revolves around the use of the psychedelic spice, but they treat it more like a classical sacrament than a tool and their culture is holistically built around it, even including the creatures and environment that produce it in an almost shamanic way, but there's also the charismatic aspect that more resembles some of our major religions. I'm not sure there's an easy conclusion or message to draw from this, like you said it would say more about the reader than the content, but it's all very interesting.

[@crossofintimidation]

Funny thing is one of the better written Star Wars books about Thrawn does almost exactly what you describe. While the Empire was beaten, Grand Admiral Thrawn of the Empire still has a massive fleet in the outreaches of space. Despite the Rebels and the new Republic having the greater number and resources, Thrawn nearly decimates them with his tactical knowledge, loyalty to the Empire's ideas, and even sympathizers. Of course Disney could never show the Empire in a positive light despite the great amounts of good and loyalties it earned from so many of its followers.

[@nerag7459]

Ignore the genocide, feel the good works.

[@funtecstudiovideos4102]

​@@nerag7459what rome ever done for us?

[@adams13245]

@@nerag7459 Seems to me the empire apologists simply want a militaristic dictatorship portrayed well. All the talk about balance is because the majority of people view militaristic dictatorships poorly. Also how the hell is a government that blows up its own planets anything other than anti heroic at the least? That and it would have to be against a pretty dark enemy, not a bunch of scrappy democratic freedom fighters.

[@nerag7459]

@@funtecstudiovideos4102 yes but apart from the space roads that Thrawn built by clearing out inconvenient planets, the governance that he put in place... of places that were already governed, the planetary surfaces that he paved with glass and the communications protocol standardization that had already been put in place before Thrawn returned what did Thrawn ever do for us other than kill a bunch of people?

[@childrenoftheash874]

The sleeper has awaken

[@Vingul]

THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED!!!!

[@MrMontyFontaine]

Herbert certainly understood the "Good times create weak men" meme. He directly references it when talking about the Atreides home world Caladan which was a paradise, and Geidi Prime, Selusa Secundis and Arrakis are all harsh, brutal environments and thus, churn out a constant stream of tough, ruthless men. Interesting take on it, Morgs. Did you read any of the sequels? I'm halfway through book 3 and whilst they don't quite hold up to the original, they certainly have some interesting philosophy in them

[@MrMontyFontaine]

@mike bond wow 😂

[@HairyPixels]

He mentioned Issac Asimov and this was also the central theme of the movie Light Years, where the docile and decedent inhabitants of a world were invaded and dominated by machines from the future.

[@narutoniichan]

@mike bond i long for the actual strong men to take their proper positions again. These antifa fools and other soy boy cucks need to disappear from our societies. I'm just a woman in a relationship with a manly man and couldn't be happier about it. You friend needs to see a psychologist perhaps. Ha

[@mankyscotchgit4986]

@KAOS NATION Yeah, pretty much. At least half of men have had the very enlightening experience of having the shit beaten out of them at least once in their life, on the other hand being hit even once is a very rare and shocking experience for women generally.

[@StarboyXL9]

The Ubermensch of the Lefty/TinyhatTribe types is the Helpless God in a Glass Case, while the Ubermensch of based nordics is the Man of the Mountains. That should tell you something.

[@willackerman9557]

The Sleeper must awaken.

[@utzius8003]

Thanks for all the hard work. This video might make the quarantine more bearable.

[@danielbowman7226]

The main culprit in Dune is Fear. From the black box of pain witches use to riding the giant worms. Anyway, that is my take from reading this book decades ago. All the evolutionary struggle from Buddha, Jesus, through Jung and various New Age stuff is to deal with management of fear. Fear is behind all the desire for control of people. Political issues are psychological issues, really. When you know this, you can either bank on it (literally), preach on it or suicide. Pvssies, Dix and Azzholes to give Team America analogy.

[@TheDistributist]

Great video, now wait for the “Um akshully!!” crowd.

[@Cons00mer]

Um... actually, you misspelled "actually".

[@manfredarcane9130]

@@Cons00mer Well, you certainly contributed a fair bit of unironic 'um akshully' comments against the reactionary reading of Dube already!

[@jamesmurphy1389]

Terrific creative thought as ever MG. Many thanks. One observation: there's much talk in ethno-nationalist circles these days about 'atomisation' and the perils of individualism. However, nationalists must remember that in romanticism (or romantic spiritualism) the driving force of medieval European culture was always the authentic individual's quest for goodness. This is no specious 'hippy' individualism. The difference being that the true 'pilgrim's progress', though personal, was nevertheless always undergone for the greater good of the wider social hierarchy in which he, the 'noble' man lived and moved. The quest for the Grail being a prime example, in which only access to that symbolic chalice could restore order to Camelot. In contrast, 20th C fascism's big mistake lay in putting the cart before the horse and then wondering why culture didn't proceed. The grotesque decadence and cruelty of the 3rd Reich shows us that you cannot make a noble culture in this arse-over-tit way; you can't just supply fools and sadists with smart uniforms and expect them to form a culture. You have to give a people a real spiritual totem around which to assemble, and an associated set of practises by which they can transform themselves. A people needs a genuine ideal of spiritual excellence personified in certain elite individuals whom they wish both to protect and promote as the summum bonum of their culture. Ethno-nationamism needs to get to grips with these philosophical realities or it will be dead in the water just like Hitler's thousand year reich. Hitler was a vulgarian (among other things): he wanted cultural rebirth on the cheap. Can't be done. A people has to pay with everything it's got if it wants real, exalted culture.

[@jasoncreamer5747]

No matter your interpretation of Dune, all you need to know is that the spice must flow.

[@youtubeusername7156]

The inspiration for the 40k Imperium is clear to see.

[@3991-m6u]

There is a lot of ecology in Dune, the cusp of many events in the storyline is an ecological change which shifts the base of power, wouldn't say the spice was simply oil but more an amalgamation and simplification of the many natural processes by which we sustain our civilisation.

[@theotherserge]

Excellent reading of the book, thank you. What's fascinating is in later books the Fremen, fiercest warriors in all of history eventually degenerate and become "Museum Fremen" sort of a hint by Herbert towards Native American tribes...

[@adamnesico]

Or towards spartans, arabs, masais...

[@theotherserge]

@@adamnesico indeed!

[@melelconquistador]

​@@adamnesicoSparta durring Rome was apperently a Disney land of sorts.

[@core-nix1885]

Admittedly, I've never read or watched Dune but it seems very based. The return of spirituality to late-stage civilisation seems like a very Spenglerian idea.

[@carmensavu5122]

You want to live in the Dune universe? Fine, but on your own head be it. Sounds like the stuff of nightmares. It appealed to me as a child, but reading it as an adult it struck me how bleak it would be to live there.

[@White_Breeder]

​@@carmensavu5122Is it really that much worse than a world where dying technocrats sell out their people, culture, and history to sugar-coated tyrants in order to make that last dollar?

[@thomriley1036]

Saying that you want to live in the time of Dune is like saying that you wish to live during Interesting Times.

[@davidmason4244]

I rather be a servant on Giedi Prime than some pampered souless existence with robots like in foundation.

[@tonnehead777]

1 minute in and you already know the dude knows what he's on about. So refreshing to come across someone with a sense of self awareness on KZbin, or anywhere really nowadays.

[@brotski100]

Historically the mongols knew that civilisation would make them weak so for the longest time so they kept their lifestyle and made war constantly not just to win territory but also to keep their edge, very interesting, but leads to another question, is that a good life? This cycle constantly repeats itself it seems so maybe in the future we would have new children enter some sort of simulation where they can experience hardship so humans still know what suffering is without constant warfare and we can have it both, just a crazy idea.

[@edmanrapperu]

Not only that but after they conqered China, the Yuan dinasty would send their young to hang out in the steppes so they don't become weak.

[@johnrockwell5834]

@Malum Nexus Male children are all trained to be warriors so that by adulthood they can be called upon.

[@johnrockwell5834]

@Malum Nexus Sure. A warrior culture best functions with traditional sex roles. Men do the fighting not women.

[@johnrockwell5834]

@ Yes and women are the limiting factor in reproduction. That is probably why Scythians which presumably had warrior women may have gone extinct once the Huns overran their pastures.

[@johnrockwell5834]

@Forgan Mreeman Hardship should be 6/7 of society time. And 1/7 of societies time should be comfort and possibly luxury. As six days man works and the 7th a sabbath. Maybe this proportion can be applied in other ways too. Just like how we need rest after workout to actually increase our strength. Pure hardship is unfeasible definitely.

[@jewelcitizen2567]

_”It is by _*_will_*_ alone I set my mind in motion”_ *_’We’re Winning Lads’_*

[@spybot6697]

Classic line.

[@jewelcitizen2567]

Spy Bot Just don’t, _”put your right hand into the box”_ buddy. 😉

[@spybot6697]

@@jewelcitizen2567 Love that bit! Tense! :)

[@jewelcitizen2567]

The Kingdom is Here Thanks very much for that correction sir!

[@slim-yin]

The fight is going to long and hard ..we will need the help of spacing the guild.

[@spybot6697]

This was absolutely excellent. This video just built upon your previous sci-fi analysis from a right wing point of view and I love the connections you make. Two of my faves, Dune and Morgoth! Amazing. p.s The spice diver fan edit of this film is epic, try to get a hold of it.

[@darrenrenna]

Really well done Morgoth's Review. I wholly agree that you can read a Dissident Right, Anti-Colonialist, Ecological, Feminist, Nietzschean, Mythological or many other interpretations. Part of why the book has no doubt endured.

[@atarirob]

Hey Morgoth, have you ever checked out any Gene Wolfe? Specifically Book of the New Sun and Book of the Long Sun? Very deep and rewarding reading there. Thanks! all the best mate

[@stephenbmassey]

atarirob It is way more complex than the Dune novels, but it repays very very careful reading.

[@rosalienuxe7026]

Just when we think we couldn’t like you more, you do a video about Dune. Spectacular Morgoth 🤗

[@GeneraluStelaru]

Break quarantine and play the newly re-published board game! It's totally worth it!

[@radicalgoodspeed16]

I love this analysis on Dune and I just need to make 1 correction the Worms make the spice they basically snort worm shit and get super powers

[@ramblingimbecile2295]

My biggest takeaway from Dune is that it was a representation of the oil industry in the middle east with the Fremen being Bedouin tribes and the spice being oil. It's almost a love letter to Islam and an acknowledgment of how it is more than a religion but a power structure and form of government.

[@paulwilliams6436]

A deep and full spectrum review, linking Dune with modern points of reference, as well. Intelligently done. Bravo.

[@bushwhacked7112]

Watched it when I was a kid, the only thing I got back then was Sting should stick to singing...I’ll watch again.

[@desoztopdesoz2456]

what a douchebag, him and bono

[@catherinealbion6955]

The book's a lot better!

[@jarlnicholl1478]

What I really like about the movie is the contrast between Atreides and Harkonnens. It is more impactful than it is in the book. Harkonnens in the book are living in the material splendor bringing to mind the decadence of the Roman Empire. In the movie, their degeneracy is combined with the imagery of their homeworld as this industrial wasteland, natural world completely wiped away, body horror, science running amok. And we have that juxtaposed with the neogothic aesthetics, traditional society and family values of Atreides. Lynch is BASED.

[@baw5xc333]

I'd wait until the new movie comes out.

[@mjx2191]

@@jarlnicholl1478 Lynch is based indeed, no doubt about it.

[@EmpiricalMethod]

sarlac pit in Star Wars seems like the worms in Dune.

[@Devin_Davis]

I remember this movie vaguely when I was a kid.... looks like I'm going to have to watch it again.

[@sgtbarnes6350]

Watch the sci-fi mini-series for a better version (it's definitely not perfect though).

[@rickmcconnell5093]

@@sgtbarnes6350 I liked it better as well but both of them divert from the book a lot in my opinion.

[@user-qf6yt3id3w]

I'm not sure that Dune is on the side of Paul and the Fremen. As Frank Herbert himself said. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(novel)#Heroism "The bottom line of the Dune trilogy is: beware of heroes. Much better [to] rely on your own judgment, and your own mistakes."[41] He wrote in 1985, "Dune was aimed at this whole idea of the infallible leader because my view of history says that mistakes made by a leader (or made in a leader's name) are amplified by the numbers who follow without question." The novel isn't on the side of the old Emperor, the Guild and the Harkonnen but I don't think it's on the side of Paul and the Fremen either. It's a very good and very ambiguous novel.

[@jarlnicholl1478]

OK boomer. Author's preferred interpretation of his text cannot put a stop to competing interpretations. The moment a text is given to public, it is given to multiple gazes and open to multiple interpretations. Such is life. Another thing, Herbert would've said that given that he worked in the genre most if whose authors and readership were considered to be of specific pokitical bent.

[@user-qf6yt3id3w]

@@jarlnicholl1478 "Author's preferred interpretation of his text cannot put a stop to competing interpretations." I don't disagree in principle but you can definitely see in the text that Paul Atreides is trying his best to stop the bloodbath but he knows that all he can do is make it less deadly. Even though Paul has prescience and is a bona fide messiah there are things that even he can't avoid.

[@Cons00mer]

@@user-qf6yt3id3w Also it is presented (at least the first two-three? books) as a history authored by Irulan. While accounts in the story itself seem to preclude her direct witness, it nevertheless is interesting to muse on the fact that Irulan is not a character sympathetic to Paul who is essentially telling the story. This point seems to support what you are saying.

[@manfredarcane9130]

Dune Messiah is an explicit deconstruction of the Ubermensch figure.

[@nowaskmehow]

@Jarl "multiples gazes" How much did you pay for those awful cliches?

[@FauxtakuLounge]

I’ve loved dune since I first read it at fifteen years of age. But I didn’t know why from a low level. Today I understand more and have read the first book three or four times and the series one and a half times. It’s amazing, my own counter jihad era coloured my thoughts about the book as you outline. Excellent take. Many thanks Morgoth.

[@chrisbailey4759]

Morgoth, is the Kwisatz Haderach !

[@Arkeo36]

His name is a killing word!

[@chrisbailey4759]

@Someone from Israel 9

[@RJStockton]

Your stained lips are a warning.

[@arposkraft3616]

@17:00 Revolution is but the wheel of the bus going round and round and round

[@jeffmarlatt6538]

One of the best reviews of Dune that I have listened to on KZbin. Well done.

[@horsemumbler1]

Like most Scifi, Dune is history(Caucuses, in this case) with a face-lift.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

Dune offers so much room for Interpretation that one can read anything, it's exact oposite and something else into it. I mean princess Irulans subverts her own naration in the opening. So you can even question if the Butlerian Jihad realy liberated Humanity or was just a power grab.

[@markkavanagh7377]

Lawrence of Arabia movie - 1962 Dune novel - 1965 There's the source!

[@playloud247]

One cannot ignore the similarities..

[@Vingul]

I think Herbert had the idea in the late '50s, but I'm sure Lawrence of Arabia may have influenced it to some degree.

[@Robotrik1]

@@Vingul Exactly . Dune , and the seeds it contains for it's sequels isn't something that got farted out in 2-3 years . It's a book that has a decade or more of knowledge and research behind it .

[@Vingul]

@@Robotrik1 yes, I've heard Herbert say in an interview that he read 200 books specifically with Dune in mind, on everything from ecology to politics and history and (I'm sure) much else.

[@Lerequindemort]

I love the intro ❤️

[@joelpacheco7360]

Always good to hear your take on things, Morgoth.

[@Cam-dz5sj]

This really is odd timing I started reading the novel yesterday

[@mankyscotchgit4986]

You're in for a trip.

[@marktyler3381]

One of my favourite books - I'm listening to the audiobook now as well.

[@HappyCamper84]

@@marktyler3381 Yeh the audio/books are great.

[@chatteyj]

I just finished reading it are any of the other dune books worth reading?

[@jarlnicholl1478]

Children of Dune TV series is a beautiful production, far removed from the TV adaptation of the first book. Read the Counter Currents review and go watch it.

[@britheeye]

in the second book Dune Messiah there is a bit that reminds of the night of the long knives what does that say about me LOL

[@marktyler3381]

Student of history?

[@rockitsauce6164]

Never seen the movie or read book, can't wait. Book first !

[@hippocraticoaf8798]

Everything changes in the last book Chapterhouse Dune and then Frank Herbert dies so we'll need Morgoth to explain what happens.

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

I think that was one of the best reviews I’ve hear of the book, I’ve hear more lefty types interpret it as an anti-fascist warning saying dictators can rise from any situation, or that it’s a warning to potential leaders that it’s a dangers path in life, but I never really thought about that whole thing of the future reverting to the past, sure I understood that when reading it, but I never really took a minute to think about it and how much it contrast to other sci-fi works...

[@every.single.time.2668]

I'll get this on the train (if they're running) since Im having to travel 50 miles to get some messages. Thanks China, thanks redacted. 🔯

[@Silphwave]

Would love to hear your thoughts on the new movie.

[@serbianhistorygames]

Loved the video. Dune to me resembles the 16th century Germany or HRE (right before everything goes up in flames in the 17th century, over religious differences)

[@beckoning-chasm]

Fascinating. Very well thought out.

[@marktyler3381]

There's a fan edit of Lynch's movie that's nearly 4 hours long, and makes much more sense. The latest film pissed me off. It is supposed to have dialogue!

[@RichieW]

Herbert's Ghost when he seen Obama rocket to prominence in 2007 "ah hell... here we go again...."

[@edwardcumpstey9061]

Dune is an absolute masterpiece. I'm glad to see some dissident right opinions on this!

[@thorstree7989]

Logan's run feels relevant too, an SJW style enforcer starts to doubt the mechanical system he lives in that will sacrifice him in his thirties and escapes with his girl to an overgrown eden where they can grow old together.

[@Arkhan_The_Black]

Absolutely fantastic video Morgs mate. One of your best in my humble opinion (although I might be a bit biased there...) Highly anticipating your upcoming dissection of the Warhammer 40,000 universe too. Stay safe Morgs lad and thank you for your brilliant, insightful take on one of my favorite sci-fi novels. I genuinely needed that today and I am very grateful.

[@SpiritusBythos]

According to Paul Stamets, Herbert was a contemporary who was very into mind expanding fungus and there is a metaphor with fungus and higher mind/spiritual rebirth where the spice is the spores etc. Food for thought! Thanks for the upload. Peace

[@jarlnicholl1478]

You really think that this would be news to anyone who read the novel? It isn't exactly subtle in that regard.

[@SpiritusBythos]

@@jarlnicholl1478TaTa! To the naive it is. I can think of a few intelligent people who would not.. Even if it is insinuated it is interesting at least to me to hear there are real life connections. If it is not worth mentioning or too obvious why reply at all without anything to add? Take good care

[@Cons00mer]

@@SpiritusBythos The zeitgeist of mind-expansion through chemical means was a clear influence on Herbert and Dune. While my body is a temple, it is intriguing to ponder the possibilities of psychotropics triggering adaptation in humans new abilities, both good and bad. Personally I find the idea of substantially altering brain chemistry to be horrific and dystopian, but to each his own.

[@jarlnicholl1478]

@@Cons00mer Authors like McKenna presented convincing theories as to how these substances led to development of our consciousness in the first place. And we certainly wouldn't be so categorically opposed to this idea if not for the fact that xtianity wholesale demonised their use thus conditioning our society to a point where where are resistant towards them even in this post-xtian phase.

[@jarlnicholl1478]

@@SpiritusBythos There was no hostile intent in my comment. Don't be do easily offended. Get well, best wishes.

[@ThatsSpectacular]

I found Dune in jail and now I’m happily plowing through the whole saga.

[@FRANKMUSIKOFFICIAL]

That’s funny that you referred to Dune as, “Dark StarWars” for David was asked to be involved with StarWars I think and he flatly refused.

[@WiseOwl_1408]

Long story short. Rich kid uses Islamic jihad to win the monarchy

[@DM_Curtis]

Lawrence of Arabia...in Space!

[@ethane1149]

Brilliant video mate, loved every second. That Welsh accent is a delight to listen to 👌🏻

[@TheIZproductions]

literally bought the book yesterday. good timing

[@lenfirewood4089]

I just saw it as an allegory of self realisation and becoming that in a world opposed to people knowing who they really are. :)

[@TheKeo238]

@morgoth's review been waiting for your take on this for a long time.

[@RaleighJ]

This is an excellent introduction to a fascinating and deep fiction that I hadn't even been aware of prior to this video. Thanks Morgoth.

[@BbNaB]

The later books in the series start to feature a lot of feminine-positive ideas, although I wouldn't say Feminist. Actually the last two books definitely feature Feminists, when the Bene Gesserit and Honored Matres start to face off.

[@NicolasSequeira]

Dune is Dune, and never the twain shall meet

[@jewelcitizen2567]

*_”Now, Guard Yourself For Truth”_*

[@SgtSteel1]

I'm not in the mood ;)

[@jewelcitizen2567]

Sgt Steel “Moods” are for fairies lol 😉

[@SgtSteel1]

Cattle and love play

[@mobtek]

Doesn't he say ...For true?

[@happyhammer1]

@Morgoth's Review have you ever read, _The High Crusade_ by Poul Anderson? It's a really interesting and light hearted sci-fi book, but I suspect you would like it assuming you haven't read it already.

[@WildFungus]

it's kind of also about on some level of the many subtexts, is like the empire is europe and Paul takes over and then gives up cuz he doesn't want to do it, and then leto does it and he's like hitler or stalin quite directly bringing in a greater order, which is stifling and oppressive. I think the ultimate subtext was political leaders are not gods even if they are superpowered, and it's never good for the people.

[@karogod]

As expert on Spengler, can you explain if the story looks like the caesarian period in Spengler?

[@xmaniac99]

"... they have their own planet ..", looks around, well I've got my own cellphone.

[@MotesTV]

13:33 Many on the right "openly" dream, 'Skyfathers we call thee".

[@bobbon8699]

based and fremen-pilled

[@yohanalexander2850]

This is why I love Dune so much. It's not depicting future like other sci-fi I saw at that time (Yes, I got into Dune through Lynch's film version), but it's more like post-future where old ideas like feodalism and religion become a thing again. Make me realize that however far in the future, humans are still humans.

[@maxmercer1931]

Also, in later books Herbert uses a lot of long-nosed tribe shit

[@Dazalinco]

Where the fuck is my Possum Magic breakdown?!?!

[@Gaddesreinhart]

Oh gawd! The spacing guild!

[@davedogge2280]

It's an interesting book, for me it's a warning about A.I. in the backstory and a story about a jihadist engaging in terrorism against an evil house faction that's currenly "hands-on" in controlling a valuable resource, the book justifies the terrorist who is portrayed like a messiah.

[@sgtbarnes6350]

@MrFedaykin It seemed more of a warning against the inescapable nature of globalism to me. Forcing universalism so hard on everyone that it is then viewed as an unthinkable evil for the rest of eternity.

[@plenarchist]

Dune captures well the Greek concept of anacyclosis... the cyclical evolution of political systems. With anacyclosis, political virtue is followed by political corruption, then a return to political virtue via revolution and so on. Another great read imho, A Canticle for Leibowitz, has the anacyclosis theme too. Unfortunately for humanity, technological progress all but ensures an extinction-level event at some point (ie political corruption plus WMD tech like an engineered virus for instance) which ACfL plot is based on only with nukes.

[@Kwisatz-Chaderach]

Canticle is based af

[@triggerho888]

If you walk without rhythm, you won't attract the worm.

[@acroyear6777]

I hope you end up covering the new movie. It would be interesting to hear what you liked/didn’t like. Especially compared to the Lynch movie.

[@CatholicBossHogg]

I love June

[@arposkraft3616]

ive read my paper copy of dune...mmm about 300 times id guess; its missing pages which i can spoon up from memory without issue

[@kimkkendrick3542]

Thank you ♥

[@crazypants88]

Love your videos, very insightful.

[@CosmicFaust]

Dune reminds me a lot of Oswald Spengler’s philosophy.

[@adliberate]

That was great. Thanks.

[@jamiewilliams685]

At this point all Europeans must realise we are one. We will never give up nor give in. We will take our continent back and return it to its peoples and cultures.

[@jamiewilliams685]

@buymebluepills Never too late.

[@CuFhoirthe88]

@buymebluepills Not today schlomo.

[@mostlydead3261]

Living on the same arbitrarily designated landmass doesn't make us one. My people were enslaved and slaughtered by my fellow 'europeans'. My culture is nothing like those of France or Germany. Nor I would ever want it to be, nor vice versa. Nor would I ever want to see the monolithic neo-clasical invention imposed on both mine and their people, which what MUH EUROPA folks dream of.

[@CuFhoirthe88]

​@@mostlydead3261 What is it with you r--rds and conflating blood with landmass? Blood makes us one, not geography. Now cut out the silly grievance mongering, it's pathetic.

[@jarlnicholl1478]

European nationalism is the only nationalism that can serve our people today.

[@travisbickle8748]

Well done Morgoth! That was a beast!

[@ravenhill_of_midsummer_1968]

unfortunately id never heard of dune.