The Story of Duncan Idaho | Dune Lore

[@TheLorebrarians]

Hey all; an error in audio mixing clipped the end of a couple words in this video - my apologies. What character or topic do you want to explore next?

[@digitalbookworm5678]

The only truly original character of the last 2 of Frank's books. Miles Teg

[@tadbennet3087]

Where exactly does it say that he grew up on Geidi Prime? That seems to be confused with Gurney or I'm simply missing something. I don't remember reading that anywhere. Any clarification would be appreciated

[@mattiavelli]

@@digitalbookworm5678 Miles Teg would be great, he truly is an amazing character -- but I think Siona was also pretty original, don't you?

[@KUBLAIKHAN420]

duncan idaho sounds so much like a spaghetti western cowboy name

[@Vanser1180]

​@@tadbennet3087 in the expanded universe books that are prequels to the original dune. He lives in Harko city and after his family is killed he is taken to be hunted by Rabban because he likes hunting kids. He escapes and ends up on Caladan. But i don't remember a sister either.

[@phillipnoetzel7637]

During his 1001st life Duncan opens his first donut shop and so began his quest for true freedom and financial wealth.

[@martinmoylan9394]

😂

[@Narukosaki]

And his first spare tire stomach​@@martinmoylan9394

[@jhern083]

America runs on Idaho

[@PlimsollHero]

“Duncan Donuts” for real 😂

[@andykapfenstein7032]

Right next to his new best friend's shop, BOB'S BURGERS

[@stiopruryd4879]

Idaho is the sole human witness staying across the age-long dreams of the Atreides dinasty

[@Yujifanik]

He is the audience!

[@mattiavelli]

Except that whatever is the current Duncan is missing SOME of his memories, no? The Tleilax always had a spare ready to go...

[@calvinsuu1949]

The God Emperor knows all...even when Duncan took a fart

[@Drak976]

@@mattiavelli Yes they were always just cheap imitations the entire plot is bunk.

[@Pooki2024]

Dynasty

[@iremembersleep3083]

Kind of funny how the ultimate protagonist and hero of the series dies early in the first book.

[@srj607able]

No worries he will come back for the third movie

[@DonLoco3]

And told after being essentially pimp slapped he was "just an older model."

[@spencertherren6806]

Ned Stark. 👌

[@DeathBYDesign666]

It's just the Jesus trope, it isn't that mysterious.

[@iremembersleep3083]

@@DeathBYDesign666 It's the Yeshua trope in the same way that a lobster shitting in the sea encompasses all Poseidon tropes.

[@jordanayling9841]

Frank Herbert: Over reliance on resources and thinking machines will be the doom of human civilisation, only through the unparalleled humanity of Duncan Idaho can the species hope for a peaceful existence. Brian Herbert: What if he was a cyborg too? That sounds nice.

[@ltvagabond]

Brian, the literary equivalent of a trust fund kid

[@theflashgordon193]

😂

[@nickcarroll8565]

Brian Herbert’s “works” are shitty fanfic

[@aarkwrite7240]

I really tried to like the Brian additions but I gave up.

[@askani21]

​@@aarkwrite7240 Haha I get you, I also tried my best to appreciate Brian's books. At first, I enjoyed the prequels. They were dumbed down, cheesy, contradictory, but hey I did have fun reading them! I just mentally filtered the bad and nonsensical out of my brain while reading loll, only keeping as "canon" what I thought made sense. But eventually the novels got worse and worse... I lost it when the dwarf girl got a magic gem and the power of love transformed her into an all-powerful goddess lolllll... But I endured, and got to Paul of Dune... ...and saw Paul join a circus. I threw the book to the thrash and scooped off the part of my brain that got contaminated with those awful memories. I tried I really did But Brian Herbert is a moron lolll

[@RussellB]

Duncan Idaho is so funny, it makes me think of the entire state of Idaho completely filled with Dunkin Donuts

[@PlimsollHero]

😂😂😂 can’t get that out of my mind now every time I hear Duncan Idaho

[@KentuckyBrad]

How childish

[@realityisenough]

I choked on my pepsi lmfao

[@PlimsollHero]

@@KentuckyBrad goofy fish cat

[@koko40800]

Gee, that's a 'funny' thought...and so original!

[@hithere5553]

Duncan’s story is of the triumph of morality over cruelty. He is tested again and again, through thousands of years and countless lifetimes, he never submitted to tyranny, never comprised his beliefs. And through through his boundless humanity he saves humanity.

[@jayleefarley6912]

He’s a warrior greater than a dozen Sardukar a man respected by Ferman

[@SunnyDaysAOK]

He's also, sadly, a slave.

[@kevinburris6250]

He did get a bit whiney and immature in god emperor but made up for it in heretics lol. Sexual domination ehh I’m about to flip you over and turn the tables 😅

[@itsjustme8947]

@@jayleefarley6912 "Sardukar"?? "Ferman"??? Uh, yeah....

[@smithsanity2727]

Came here to learn about the back story of Duncan Idaho…. Left absolutely fuckin mind blown.

[@other-terrestriallifeform1851]

It's an addictive franchise truly. I know most of it but have yet to read the entirety, I swear I will though!

[@theflashgordon193]

​@@other-terrestriallifeform1851Me too watch a ton of content on it 😅

[@gts013]

Same!

[@BaconbuttywithCheese]

Duncan Idaho's point work with the Fremen before full Atreides arrival on Arrakis was kinda glossed over a bit in the first film.

[@EbonySeraphim]

Having not read the books, I could tell there was a lot there. Honestly, that kind of thing makes for a great spin-off / supplementary movie!

[@edwarddore7617]

There is so much in the Doom books, they could only include so much of it, but at least he got a bad ass death like it deserved. I like the Lynch movie for what it is and nostalgia, but he did not get what he deserved in that movie.

[@seanhewitt603]

Idaho was integral to letos golden path, his honor was attreides honor, and Leto felt this was the best for all humanity.

[@Morfe02]

Idaho in Dune: cool warrior gets drunk and ends killing like 20 "behind camera" Idaho in the rest of the books: fcking Neo in the 1000 cycle of Zion

[@Stevie-L-n8g]

That makes no sense. We’re you writing in English?

[@MathematicalSound]

It’s obviously English. Do you understand English?

[@gameplaysuffering1620]

This is obviosly not English. Are you a jokester?

[@iantercero5380]

@@MathematicalSoundI do. Don’t understand. Loyalty.?

[@Robert0Pirie]

So glad I found this channel. Y'all are up there with Alt Shift X, the Templin Institute, and Quinn's Ideas for my scifi fix. Keep it up!

[@aaronmcpherson1297]

right!

[@TheLorebrarians]

I appreciate it and am glad you enjoy the Dune content!

[@BarbaraBylow]

If you're looking for quality Dune content check out Doc Sloan's Science Fiction Station channel. On it you'll find Doc's PHd thesis on Dune. It's themes, place in SciFi history, influences and character analysis. I really like his three part series which traces the Greek myth origins of the Curse of House Atradis. He also does a weekly book club. As of now we're on Messiah with intention to do all six original books. We'd love to see you there.

[@jamesberner214]

Idaho escaped while being hunted for sport by Rabban Harkonen. He killed more than one man and left Geidi Prime with the help of a woman who was betrayed by Rabban. He traveled to Caladan. After being dropped off on the southern continent,he crossed the ocean on a fishing boat,and walked half the length of the northern continent to find Duke Paulus and Leto Atreides. Duncan was eight, Leto was fourteen.

[@andrewniehoff8612]

One of the Ducans led the remainder of the Sardukar in a rebellion...ironic considering how he died the first time.

[@IdgaradLyracant]

Duncan was the true KH. It begs the question that in fact Duncan is the physical manifestation of free will. He's the only one that has in fact defied Prescience.

[@Joce-bl7qi]

@IdgaradLyracant Ehhh, Idk the validity of saying “Duncan is the physical manifestation of free will” when he is cloned/resurrected/brought back so many times. It’s not like he chooses to do that on his own. That type of control over someone is the opposite of physical free will.

[@IdgaradLyracant]

@@Joce-bl7qi Of all the characters, he's the only one that appears to have made an actual choice that wasn't bound by prescience.

[@Heydeen-30035]

​@@IdgaradLyracant that is not true at all tho. In God Emporer, Letho knew what role he played and he played exactly that role.

[@jimclark2824]

Considering one of the main goals of the Golden Path was to make humanity immune to a KH by being invisible to prescience, I'd say BH and KJA shit all over The Dune Series. Water Worms? Oracle of time? Good Lord. Not only did they need a deus ex machina (duncan the ultimate KH), they needed ANOTHER deus ex machina (oracle of time) to defeat Omnious. Their books are fan fiction that cater to 15-year-olds. Kralizek was a battle against prescient hunter-seekers, not full-blown sentient computers.

[@crypto66]

It took two releases 3 years apart to adapt the first book. I don't know the scale of the later books but even if they can cram in 1 book per movie, Jason Momoa is still going to need his own ghola to do them all.

[@aguspuig6615]

''the Duncans'' will always crack me up.

[@GilbertJones-cv9yf]

Impressive summation of Idaho, catching the far reaching purpose of his reiterations, a concise self manifestation of the multi lives. Your work helped me pull together the path envisioned by the writer(s) from the beginning. Thanks.

[@tscarb]

Well done! That’s a great deal of work and well delivered

[@TheLorebrarians]

Appreciate it, glad you enjoyed

[@Anon26535]

Duncan was playing Dark Souls while everyone else was playing Stellaris.

[@lostfound8112]

Loved this entire vid. Well written and presented. I wish a longform was made into a kinda movie with a plus effects

[@MiamiGameHunter]

Think of it in video game terms. Save the final one, the Gholas’ memories at “birth” all went right up until at the death of the original. So that was the base “safe file”. They wouldn’t remember the memories of the gholas that came before them, only that of the original. It wasn’t until the final ghola that he was able to remember ALL the memories of the gholas that came before.

[@fascilime]

Fans of Invincible would also be able to recognize this trope from a character who has exactly this happen to him, but his body is secretly an android with a bit of brain inside.

[@SantomPh]

Final Idaho was the only one with Kwiswatz Haderach powers,which give him access to all his ancestors ' memory

[@TheKrayusKorianis]

The Ghola Duncan in Heretics, Chapterhouse, Hunters and Sandworms of Dune was not just a copy of the original Duncan but ALL the Duncan Idaho's from the beginning because he had THEIR DNA as well. Thanks, Tlielaxu Masters.

[@jimmyb2655]

dude, this was really good

[@TheLorebrarians]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

He didn't have 1000 lives, no one knows how many lives he had, he and Siona however had a 1000 sons. That's where GW got the idea for the thousand sons army.

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

@@jimclark2824 No it didn't, its in the novels, Duncan and Siona has 1000 sons and 9 daughters.

[@djparker21able]

​​@@bobbobertbobberton1073the Duncan's were continually having children with the fish speakers all during his thousand year reign. Leto II even tells him Siona and the Atreides commander (cant remember his name) are both decedents of past Duncan's

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

@@djparker21able Yeah he had a 1000 sons and 9 daughters with 'Siona.'

[@Bluecedor]

@@djparker21able Moneo?

[@djparker21able]

@@Bluecedor right, Commander Moneo... There are 2 parts I like particularly with Duncan and Moneo. One is where Moneo has gotten tired of Duncan's complaining and bitching about everything so he pisses Duncan off on purpose so it will make Duncan attack him. Then Moneo proceeds to whip Duncan's ass, then tells him that every fishspeaker could do the same to him if they wanted to. The second, is when Moneo calls Duncan out on his supressed homosexual attraction. Moneo basically saying, if you aren't gay then why do you hate other people engaging in it? It's because you hate yourself for having gay tendencies, so you supress them causing you to lash out at anything that might remind you of those feelings...lmao. Moneo was a great character

[@Staylecrate]

Glad you mentioned the Face Dancers. It's been awhile since I read the books. Happy too you mentioned Marty and Daniel and the Dune book extensions.

[@ourovermelho23]

Great video and really well explained thank you

[@KHfan0011]

Jason Momoa is about to make so much money

[@theamericandream5917]

I hope Denis doesn’t go down this route. It’d make the movie seem like it’s too much science fiction even for Dune

[@KHfan0011]

@@theamericandream5917 Nope. Sorry. I hope he does. He hasn't had any chill so far. It would suck if he started at the movie where it's supposed to get batshit insane.

[@greenbean4422]

​@theamericandream5917 what the fuck are you talking about You know what a gold navigator is? What the kwisatz haderach final form is? Genuinely, you don't have any idea of what you're talking about Bro is debating what is too science fiction while he doesn't even consume the media

[@livingashtree1942]

I don't think momoa is reprising that role (His age)

[@Joseph-ic8xd]

@@KHfan0011 Honestly I'm a new Dune fan and I am so here for batshit insane. It has felt tame and cool so far but after listening to this video and thinking of the prospects I am totally ready for Denis to let it go full send.

[@the_spaggot3148]

The duncan homophobia mini-arc is always hilarious to me🤣

[@djparker21able]

Its funnier than that because it wasnt homophobia, it was actually supressed instances of recurring feelings of homosexual attraction that Duncan always had

[@Mrflowerproductions]

​@@djparker21ablewas that supposed to be the subtext or something

[@towercgaming7891]

Great work! Thank you for sharing your insights.

[@ThePenitentSquirrel]

One of the cruelest fates of about any character in fiction

[@WyattDucar]

Exactly, in fact being resurrected over and over again is far worse than death itself. At least Leto I and Paul were able to find peace. I do feel bad for Duncan as he watch everyone he knew and love die like files!

[@mori_Jin.]

"(Thinks of Guts & wonder's of this is true)"

[@imnotacat5299]

​@@WyattDucar He wasn't resurrected, he was cloned. They just have their past memories awakened. There is no resurrection in this series. Once you die, you die.

[@DaddyLogan420]

@@imnotacat5299eh semantics. He’s a clone with all his memories so he’s still the same person technically. Died and now he’s back. Resurrection

[@ThePenitentSquirrel]

@@imnotacat5299 Consider 'God Emeperor of Dune' , If you knew that you would be cloned (a Ghola) and each life you lived was essentially predestined to be killed by the person who keeps on cloning you and that you would eventually be nothing more than a curio from a bygone era I imagine that would be worse then death. Also, each of the Clones eventually does find out the truth and the person cloning you knows it as does his advisors. It's kind of the darkest inside joke ever.

[@Gabronthe]

20:30 I think it speaks very well to the humanity of Idaho himself.

[@jamesteegardner2273]

I always loved how in Dune, technology progresssed to the point of force shields for every individual soldiers; and as a result, warfare has evolved into whoever has the best close combat, edged weapon trained soldiers wins. It's like how the war between Greece and Troy was described in Homer's Iliad, Paul and Feyd were like Achilles vs Hector. It also gives a bit of honor to war, like you can't beat another guy just cause you have superior weapons, now you have to earn every single kill. IDK, it just sounds a bit more fair to me.

[@chrispysaid]

Duncan pledged his undying loyalty to House Atreides but he didnt realize how undying it would be

[@markterrano7727]

I really enjoyed your combination of quotes and images to punctuate your analysis.

[@florianpierredumont4775]

I confess I always mistake him with Gurney Halleck. Both are from Giedi Prime, both lost at least one family member because of the Harkonen, both want to kill Raban, and both are great swordfighters. I mean, appart of that, yes, they are totally different. ;)

[@ugoeze7360]

Was Gurney a SwordMaster too?

[@user-lf2kk2rj8k]

Yeah.. a big failure of story writing.

[@thearmchairjournalist566]

@@ugoeze7360No, not a trained sword master

[@Emanon...]

Gurney plays the baliset and has a scar. Big difference!

[@airporttrucker8529]

Gurney was the war master not the sword master. Perhaps some overlap in their roles. Gurney was more of an all rounder with skills encompassing military strategy and utilising lazgun.

[@thearmchairjournalist566]

Duncan was always the KH, but the BG never factored a Ghola into the equation 😂

[@GZilla311]

I still think he should have been played by Sean Bean in the newer films. It’s the role he was born for.

[@thearmchairjournalist566]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@irulan9161]

Sean Bean is way too old for this part

[@koko40800]

Sean Bean is way too old and way too white...Jason Momoa fits the book description of Duncan Idaho perfectly imo (dark, curly haired, good looking, etc.)

[@chrisa7905]

@@koko40800pretty sure they were making a joke not an actual suggestion. The character continuously dies, just like 90% of Sean Bean’s roles.

[@GZilla311]

@@chrisa7905We're running out of living actors who are known for dying over and over.

[@nevasoba5953]

In the new version Duncan Idaho is by far my favorite character

[@jeremiahmuhammad4722]

Did you mix Duncan up with Gurney and his sister?

[@ArchieBC]

That was fascinating!

[@richarddeese1087]

Thanks. They couldn't have had all the Idaho ghola cells, yet he had all those memories. Never explained. Also, Daniel & Marty were NOT robots, they were face dancers who'd become independent. tavi.

[@TheKrayusKorianis]

The Tlielaxu did have all those Duncan's DNA each and every time he died. In the end, that last Ghola had every Duncan within his DNA. Daniel is Omnius and Marty is Erasmus. They're controlled bodies by the Robotic Evermind and the robot Erasmus to make the Evermind "feel" more Human.

[@richarddeese1087]

@TheKrayusKorianis The book says the Tlielaxu didn't have cells from all Duncans; sometimes they had no access from one who was, say, killed by Leto himself. Yet he had all of the memories. They created a sort of junction box, where even his missing selves were linked up. That's what made him the last Kwisatz Haderach. tavi.

[@NarFlux]

So Gurnie and Duncan have the same backstory? Slaves to the Harconans, and their sisters murdered.

[@andremccormick2680]

Bravo again sir!

[@williamgreen5998]

It was Gurney Hallek's sister. Idaho and his parents were taken as "game animals" for the hunt.

[@rgbpriester7153]

greg doucette, i wish i saw this video sooner. Coming out of a semi toxic relationship seeing your video makes me feel less bad about breaking up.

[@adamm2091]

There're plenty of fish in the sea! Good luck!

[@projectvzero]

This is awesome! I found this channel from being a lover of lore and MTG helped my find you. I kinda ghosted MTG and D&D content about a year ago due to the foul taste the company left me with. However always loved your content and im glad to see i have a reason to come back with some other lore i love. ❤

[@TheLorebrarians]

Appreciate and so glad you enjoy the Dune content! MTG has also lifted in my eye, which is why I'm branching out even though I still enjoy its old stories. Any content suggestions worth exploring?

[@wilsontheconqueror8101]

Duncan Idaho keeps going & going & going.

[@other-terrestriallifeform1851]

I haven't finished reading the original works through yet to look at expanded universe material. I plan to fully embrace the entire course of collective work with my whole heart. DUNE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST 👌 😊 👍

[@simonkammeyer4334]

I love that we get to see most of this played out on screen. If u haven't seen the old sci-fi channels presentation of Dune & children of dune. U must find and watch! They were mini series not movies. Simply incredible! Bad effects and budget. But the story progression and the actors make it more than watchable.

[@pipsquek1669]

You're alive? "The Dark Side of the sand is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural." - Duncan Idaho

[@edwarddore7617]

Anakin "I hate sand, it's course rough and gets everywhere" laughs in Fremen

[@Grimmance]

18:15 "why keep an idaho ghola" to ensure the atreides line never strays too far from human and has "Atreides loyalty" constantly bred back in. Its like breeding dogs and every so mamy generations readding wolf to the line

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

Duncan was not unequal in sword fighting, Gurney Hallek was better, even Duncan admitted so saying Gurney would beat him 7/10 times.

[@ScottSmith-jz8zv]

I think that was more out of respect than truth

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

@@ScottSmith-jz8zv No it wasn't.

[@benjaminghazi787]

Gurney is trash

[@KyleErrington-bw2cl]

@@bobbobertbobberton1073did you even watch the video? He says many times Gurney is better

[@bobbobertbobberton1073]

@@KyleErrington-bw2cl Didn't watch it all, but him being 'unequal in sword fighting' was enough for me to comment what I did.

[@avalontheeldritchwhorror8212]

I love your videos! What is the name of the beginning background music you guys use? It sounds so epic and majestic.

[@TheLorebrarians]

Glad you enjoyed! It is a unique composition made for the channel by a personal friend

[@avalontheeldritchwhorror8212]

@@TheLorebrarians You guys got me into liking Magic! My favorite by you guys are the Guilds of Ravnica and the deep dive of my favorite Magic character Lilliana Vess.

[@TheLorebrarians]

@@avalontheeldritchwhorror8212 love to hear it! Magic has so many unique worlds and stories to explore, plus a great game to play

[@thatotherdan9984]

Imagine being so good at what you do that even after you die, you're not allowed to stay dead. That's why everyone should embrace the mid! Haha

[@AbhayPeshin]

KZbin asked me to give a feedback on your comment

[@TheChronozoan]

What does that mean

[@koko40800]

@@TheChronozoan meditate on it bra

[@ItsAllNunya]

Frank Herbert: omniscient rulers bad question everything maybe take them out even? Yeah His kid: HEY LOOK A COOL GODKING HAHAHA

[@TheHollowTiger]

“You’ll die Duncan.” “Never stopped me before.”

[@thearmchairjournalist566]

Fantastic video 👌

[@Roarke231]

while a lot of people don't considered Brian's books cannon, I rather like the way he tied the story up

[@iantercero5380]

Duncan got some. Duncan’s genes win.

[@cccornel5965]

Think about making a never ending TV series about Duncan Idaho I would be like some old TV series with over a 1000 episodes

[@NeilMoyer-y4q]

I am hoping that your first picture of the Honored Matre is supposed to be Murbella. It is exactly as I would picture her. Would love to see a good rendition of Lucilla as well!

[@cedricthomas4867]

Can’t wait till u guys meet Miles Teg..

[@gts013]

What an amazing character. 👏

[@bamaboy5746]

Where can i find some of the artwork shown in the video? It is quite pleasing

[@georgiiliev411]

Only Robocop can understand the pain of Duncan. Work after death

[@edwarddore7617]

The Sadukar "I know you, you're dead, we killed you."... visible confusion.

[@johnkrappweis7367]

I believe I heard there will be a third “Dune” movie.since Duncan Idaho is reborn again and again, I hope this means we get to see David Momoa again.

[@fuckoffgoogle1657]

Jason…? 😅

[@williamgreen5998]

Duncan evaded Ruban's hunting party, and made this way to Calendan, seeking to serve the old Duke Atreides.

[@LittleCrowYT]

Dune: aka generational curses the epic

[@IronBlimp]

The witches suspected we didn’t even go to the “same” universe when we folded space. I doubt frank went to all that trouble to get Duncan out there like that just too turn around. Those new books are not good things

[@JoeyYoungg]

*someone* breathes *someone else* “well, guess I better revive Duncan Idaho”

[@lpluva1]

Leto the second never knew Duncan Idaho, only the engineered Ixian copy of him. Leto seems to care for "the Duncans", like a pet more like he is fascinated with Duncan, although Paul and Leto the first are part of him. I see Duncan as Leto's last tether to humanity and the best possible result of millions of years of random evolution, Duncan is the ideal man by our metric. Leto spent eons engineering perfection that resulted in Siona, but he also bred out some of the things that make us human and Duncan was the remedy his archaic humanity could not be lost. That's him and Siona's offspring become the humans now ready to take on the future the God Emperor was preparing them for.

[@Ericortiz_arts]

His theme is low key one of the best in Dune pt1. Hopefully they bring it back in Messiah and give it more prominence.

[@Your_guy_inda_chair]

A character who dies a hero but is cloned over and over, discovers that fact, and rebels against an emporer with God like powers? Yet another thing star wars stole from dune

[@moosehunter11b12]

There is one mistake and that's when you said Leto orchestrated his death. He purposefully avoided looking at his death, and states it multiple times in the book. He states that it is the ultimate surprise whic he reserves for himself

[@ShaDO118k]

Dose this mean Duncan will come back in part 3 or even at some point in the future?

[@shoresy6943]

Duncan Idaho moved to Texas and started playing basketball in the mid 90's and changed his name to Tim Duncan.

[@woodywood3388]

Why was there not a single mention of Murbella? She was key to Duncan understanding his past.

[@tangible3923]

Here from dune prophecy. Is Kieran Atreides from a clan of Atreides on Ginaz?

[@p3rc]

"he grows into a handsome man whos charisma sways both warriors and court ladies".. sounds like Jason Momoa to me

[@DominarRygel-XVI]

Kind of messed up to put a disclaimer for spoilers in the description but have one blatantly and unavoidably in the thumbnail.

[@Artuditu123]

Final book gives such a disservice to the core theme of Frank Herbert's books. Thousands of pages on how we can't trust heroes and supreme rulers, just to get übermensch Idaho merged with supreme AI to create eternal ruler of the known universe. Disgusting

[@ItsAllNunya]

Thanks for the warning. Thats unfortunate. Frank would be disappointed. I sure am. :(

[@koko40800]

No, because he also represents the ultimate attainment for humanity...if he is an 'eternal ruler' he is an eternal benevolent despot...as close to God as Man can get

[@Artuditu123]

@@koko40800 It's literally "Yeah, he's a despot. but THIS TIME he's truly perfected and will be ideal for ruling all humanity, trust me bro". I don't see how this doesn't go against core message of Frank's books.

[@koko40800]

@@Artuditu123 Because one of the core message of the Dune books is, Human Evolution. Duncan Idaho reached the pinnacle of human evolution, even surpassing Paul and Leto II....Because he was not a tyrant, and he did not inspire bloody jihads...He was the ultimate KH, even surpassing what the Bene Gesserit envisioned, because he could learn from his own past lives...not just from the lives of male ancestors or previous Reverend Mothers...He was the KH who would peacefully and benevolently lead man to a better future, without tyranny

[@Artuditu123]

@@koko40800 Again "this guy is cool, unlike all the other tyrants" IS absolutely going against Frank's message. Clou isn't "we have to try with tyrants until we'll find a good benevolent ruler". It's some weird reactionary view of the Brian implanted into series being all about power corrupting good people and hidden strenght of diverse, self-governing population.

[@hippiehillape]

Vorian=Desmond=Duncan I'm just putting this out there.

[@Stevie-L-n8g]

The reconstitution of the original Duncan Idaho was not a ''Discovery', they had planned that this might happen but hadn't had the key before or found it!!

[@SpeakyDeak]

nice one dude

[@Titangoboom99]

Every young guys secret dream is to get into a badass sword fight. This dude just lived it.

[@woderick9465]

If nobody else will say it, I will.... "He's livin' in his own private Idaho!"

[@grandpachas1267]

I have read that Brian Herbert found his father's old notes (locked in a safe), which outlined the storyline found in thge remaining 2 books.....& completed the Frank's Dune story of fiction.

[@jimclark2824]

That is what Brian Herbert claims. If they exist, he ignored the notes. I don't have the energy right now to list all the ways BH jumped the shark. If you read anything from BH, stick to his prequels and enjoy them as the fan fiction they are. Absolutely stay away from the 2 books he wrote to finish the Dune Series. They are maddening to even hear talked about. Utter trash. Side Note: If Frank Herbert's notes actually existed, Brian Herber would have made an absolute FORTUNE releasing those notes. Especially if he used them in an appendix to the books where he references parts of the book and how they relate to FH's notes. Obviously, he did not do this. He has never made them public. He just says "Trust me bro..."

[@grandpachas1267]

@@jimclark2824 Hmmm! I still like the 2 last books, from a fictional story-telling aspect. But thanks for your reply.

[@koko40800]

@@jimclark2824 OR, Brian considered the notes private and confidential material, never to be released...Who says YOU have the right to see the notes??

[@jimclark2824]

@@koko40800 yeah... private notes, but turned them into a book for profit. Go away troll

[@koko40800]

@@jimclark2824 hard to believe a son would purposely lie about and misrepresent his father, or his father's works...especially considering the fact that FH's works were the best selling (and most read) Sci Fi novels of all time, and therefore there would be many critics of Brian and Kevin's work...including trolls like you who call them 'trash' when you probably couldn't imagine or write anything nearly that good yourself...aaah, the critics!

[@dontyouhaveacomrade1585]

Good video. A few nitpicks. The ghola aren’t “artificial” they are very specific creation that is biological in their creation, unlike clones.

[@nampham2892]

"Dun" in Dune is the acronym for Duncan

[@dragojess]

DUNC

[@simonkammeyer4334]

If you're new to dune. Meaning you've only seen the new ones, but loved em. And you haven't read Frank Herbert's beloved books. Then you simply must watch the sci-fi presentations of Dune and Children of dune. So much more detail. Both are 3dics long so you get alot of the stuff you missed from the books.

[@_-JonDoe-_]

What a journey

[@keoghanwhimsically2268]

29:04 You should let it end here. While I did read Brian and Kevin’s supposed codas, the transition in all relevant aspects was still too jarring to consider it a continuation. I can’t imagine that Frank Herbert would have conceived of something so stupid as the Omnius and Erasmus of those books. Did Kevin Anderson even read Chapterhouse? It’s too bad the Duncan Idaho’s true story will never see its end in this world. Perhaps it’s best that way.

[@corbinthomas4065]

I'm gonna watch the rest of the video but I have to say, very easy to mix up gurney halecks early life and Duncan Idaho's 😂

[@Stevie-L-n8g]

Those picture characterisations always get it wrong. Leto has transformed into a semi-worm shape, ribbed for the most part and he was a face with arms in front in a cowl. As it said in God Emperor, Siona could use the bottom part as a hammock when going through her Test. And that picture of Murbella was wrong too, she was blonde with green eyes. Did those artists actually read the books??

[@iantercero5380]

Duncan got robbed. Death is a gift on the backdrop of eternity. Die well my friends.

[@johndevillier2852]

My favorite character…🖖🏽

[@stevenduncan5695]

in Gaelic Duncan means tanned/brown warrior, I think Frank Herbert might of know this when creating the character

[@misapheonix]

Interesting. I'm unsure how it's more advantageous to have memory access to all of your own cloned lives (across a few millenia), over how Reverend Mothers have access to all other people in their position (across tens of millenia)? Surely the later is much more divergant and has increased wealth to draw from?

[@penroc3]

Rory and Marty are free to enjoy a true adventure

[@natetendencia]

I would only imagine Jason Momoa as Duncan resurrected many times. It's getting really weird by the moment. Lol 😆