Dune Expanded: Sea Worms and the Ultraspice

The Seaworms created by Waff quickly thrived on the planet Buzzell and growing large and strong, these extremely vicious and territorial creatures eventually dominate the planet's ecosystem killing many Cholisters and wreaking havoc on the soostone harvesting process by attacking the Phibians, the genetically modified race of humanoid fish creatures responsible for the harvesting of soostones. Finally, a worm is captured and harvested from the sea, inside its body lies an organ which produces what is known as UltraSpice a concentrated version of Melange.
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[@chazz30000]

Always a sign of quality writing when your creative process goes as far as putting the word "ultra" in front of it.

[@kinagrill]

the next verson would be Extreme Spice.

[@TheTrueMalice]

More like Super Mega Hyper Spice or did I skip Ultra Hyper?

[@meredith3556]

Ludicrous Spice!

[@Rakonax]

that's what we say now, but this was written in the early 2000s and maybe is based on notes from the 80s. ultra didn't have the same boring connotation back then. same with cloning, while it was an interesting concept bak then, nowadays cloning is mostly annoying

[@curtisnucmed]

Ah. The writing axiom known as the Mountain Dew paradox. What’s more intense than ultra? Extreme. But what’s more righteous than extreme? You guessed it, ultra. Therefore we live in a simulation which is the dream of an AI overlord named Omnius, like out of a 5 year olds imagination.

[@ObiTrev]

The Dune Extended Universe is a Ghola of the True Dune Universe.

[@dannygarland6366]

And not even a good Duncan Ghola.

[@ObiTrev]

Frank Herbert was less concerned with Sci-Fi and more concerned with Humanity. A fact that is lost on newcomers to Dune. Most have been conditioned to expect great feats of technology as a major aspect of Sci-Fi. New readers become lost with the philosophy, history, anthropology, theology, psychology, politics, meta-physics, and sociology. Those who don't understand Dune believe it is more suited to Fantasy. Most importantly, they don't understand the underlying hatred towards technology that they fear will strip humanity of its ability to think and reason for itself. Most people who watch Sci-Fi love technology and are enamored by it. They want their lives to be ruled by it. Dune is the Anti-Sci-Fi that exposes human nature for what it is. It denies both man and technology as a savior, and that scares people. It doesn't fit with most readers world view. When other authors and Brian Herbert attempt to bring Thinking Machines into the Dune universe, it changes the entire dynamic. Frank Herbert kept the Thinking Machines out of Dune for a reason. Brian Herbert's use of them is an attempt to bring more mainstream readers into the fold. It's something Frank Herbert was never concerned with and diminishes humanity's role in Dune. The war with The Thinking Machines is less important than the events leading up to it and after it. The psyche of the Dune Universe is set in stone with the Butlerian Jihad. To not express the past or the future of humanity with that perspective is to not understand Humanity in Dune or humanity in general. Dune is not about The Machines, it never was. Human nature can only be expressed by humanity and how it attempts to deal with humanity.

[@666lupine666]

and it was awakened incorrectly.

[@cory96777]

ObiTrev One remark: The hallmark of good science fiction is ruminating and questioning humanity. Good science fiction is so anthropic it should force you to ask the question; not pose it for you. Herbert succeeds here.

[@armyofninjas9055]

....whose memories have not been restored.

[@purefoldnz3070]

Ahh so this is where Old Spice comes from. No wonder the ladies love it.

[@OkurkaBinLadin]

Perfect.

[@Outlaw8908]

Why did Terry Crews on the spice come to mind?

[@slevenmcdicheal]

What's funny about this is that I got an old spice ad before this video

[@tatitorodriguez376]

Next a breed of worm will be made to exist in space and produce super super duper finger lickin good to the last drop ultra spice

[@frantisekhajek6775]

A hell written by Frank Herbert son with Anderson.

[@Anacronian]

Will it at some point try to eat the Millennium Falcon?

[@ericvulgate]

if it sells books

[@planetoftheatheists6858]

Don't give Brian any ideas...any chance to wring money from his father will be explored

[@tatitorodriguez376]

Anacronian lol,...shared universe....force spice

[@eyesrajones]

It's funny. I love Dune and while reading these books, none of this seemed that crazy, but hearing it condensed into a single makes it sound completely wackadoo.

[@Curien247]

"In the far future- The Cola wars continue..."

[@matthewmcneany]

I got as far as the robot making two gola fight to the death for ultra-spice before I had to give up.

[@carsonianthegreat4672]

Matthew McNeany well that’s literally the end of the video sooooo

[@Concreteowl]

Oh my giddy aunt

[@cjhepburn7406]

Matthew McNeany Ouch!

[@dread-cthulu]

Yeah, when I was reading the Herbert/Anderson books, I was disappointed to see the enemy that caused the return from the scattering was the thinking machines. It was the ultimate let down.

[@nikushim6665]

I only made it to "in the expanded dune universe by Brian and Kevin" because well, the moment you hear that you know its gonna be bad.

[@merrittanimation7721]

Ultraspice either sounds like a bad marketing scheme or a type of spice the Ultramarines would eat

[@hugooberg4428]

Merritt Animation yes. Yes it dose.

[@nantu07]

Indeed they do, Honorable Battlebrother!

[@shdwfx40001]

Fuck! I can't unsee that!

[@user-rm1jp6hf5h]

Sniff the worm cocaine, brothers!

[@discomfort5760]

@@daviddavidson9923 All Battle-Brothers are in agreement on this matter, not to mention the Inquisition. This is blatant heresy.

[@RothurThePaladin]

"Ultra spice" I can see why I never read these books.

[@crashoverride1000]

You're tuning in to the fan portion. The original books are masterpieces.

[@scottmantooth8785]

for what they are, the one's that i've read were not bad...but not to the level of adroit complexity or intricate detail as the previous books...

[@sanabriaadrian]

Rothur The Paladin the only word I can think for describing these books is "bdong"

[@askani21]

Ultra Spice Latte. Sounds dumb, yet delicious.

[@wargriffin5]

Yo, we heard you like spice. So we spiced up your spice; so that you can have spicy spice. ;)

[@Cademircan]

Your Dune series is my favorite one in the youtube, amazing narration and dissection. I can't wait for you to drop that God Emperor of Dune video although no one knows when.

[@magina23]

Cademircan it's my favorite dune book, remembered I was sad when I realized it didn't exist yet and I am sad now for the same reason

[@diogenesesenna9323]

That's the one I'm waiting for as well.

[@CZpersi]

From the way Herbert built his universes, I always thought that he might have had some additional intentions with the sandworms - there might be more to them than we know. For example, if their metabolism produces chemicals that allow to see beyond space and time and if they are also bothered by the Holtzmann effect, which again, bends the space and time, what if they are pan-dimensional creatures of some sort? What if they "know" something, or what if there is an intentional purpose to them? Am I way too out of line, or is it a thing Frank Herbert’s imagination would do?

[@paulelephant9521]

Yeah surely there has to be something weird about the sandworm, why on earth haven't samples been transferred from Arrakis to other planets? or different versions genetically engineered? Spice is so damn precious powerful and generally REALLY important it just seems mad that it's produced on only one planet, surely the Harkonnens or the Emperor wouldn't mind creating a desert planet and having their own personal source of Spice? So there must be something special about sandworms that makes them impossible to transfer through space by Navigators from the Guild and being some sort of pan-dimensional hyperbeing fits the bill nicely!

[@stardust1782]

Paul, they tried to move sandworms to different planets but the worms always died. It wasn't managed until later after the death of Leto I I when they understood more about the worms lifecycle.

[@BlownMacTruck]

Yeah, you’re out of line. Herbert was never interested in supernatural or overly mystical themes. Everything he wrote about was heavily based in humanity and human potential.

[@albayrakcan]

in chapterhouse buzzell is mentioned. bene gesserit sisters didnt know whats so special about buzzell to honored matres. But in the books it is said that bene gesserit thinks honored matres would try to create some sort of amphibian creature

[@callithasmed8468]

@@BlownMacTruck This wouldn't be supernatural, though. This would be preternatural.

[@hotsoupknor5657]

Despite I didn't like the main argument of the expanded series going back to the sensitive machines threat, I think sea worms is an interesting concept, remarking the hand of men in the structure of the universe. Remember that sandworms weren't original from Dune.

[@privatename5788]

Ultraspice. This is the hand of Kevin J Anderson, the man who gave Star Wars the Sun Crusher.

[@jrickabaugh4274]

I have loved Dune for 20 years. These videos make me very happy. 😊 Thank you

[@kindermord]

Oh dear. Please don’t go near these. The Expanded Dune universe is not an ornament to the genre.

[@GamesHelpmeForget]

"not an ornament to the genre" Beautifully put.

[@timdixon3391]

I think your next world examination should be Roger zelazny's chronicals of amber. it has a rich history and is shockingly borrowed from by modern authors. for instance: Neil gaiman BEGGED Roger to let him write an amber story. Roger said absolutely not and forbid any other author to write about his world. plus, I really think there is a lot of meat left on the bone for someone like yourself that loves to examine references and historical symbolism. love yr vids! keep them coming

[@DrGrizzley]

YES! Zelazny's Amber series is one of the best series out there. Great idea!

[@DefCon1966]

Yes, I'd love to see him do the Chronicles of Amber books. Both series of Corwin and his son Merlin.

[@antimonycup7066]

Sea worms? What fresh hell is this?!

[@planetoftheatheists6858]

It's Brian blaspheming and exploiting Frank Herbert (Bless His Water) and his universe

[@Giganfan2k1]

Brian and Kevin J. Anderson used Frank's notes to end the series.

[@PrincessOzaline]

Did they? I rememer reading an interview with Anderson a long while back when they first started the expanded universe which said they didn't have any notes to work off of. I wonder if I'm misremembering, or they found notes, or... guess I'll have to look it up.

[@absalomdraconis]

It's a suicidal hell is what it is. We know how this ends, and it ends in sand as far as the eye can see and the stillsuit can walk.

[@Dorianin1]

That was actually a pretty good bit of the expansion novels...only makes sense the Tleilaxu would try and modify the worms.

[@SpaceMace31]

Thanks for doing an expanded universe episode. More please :)

[@jacenstarheart6256]

Awesome another Dune Explained Video i Absolutely love these, thank you so much for this upload, appreciate it! 👍👍⭐⭐⭐⭐💯

[@KikiDiki]

Most of my Dune knowledge comes from this video series... but even so I think I can safely say this does not compute.

[@tallmikbcroft6937]

Love this one!!!! Thank you and well done !!!

[@Cannibal713]

Seaworms? Ultraspice? I'm kinda glad I stopped at God Emperior.

[@cjhepburn7406]

Cannibal713 Heretic was nice. Teg is way cool.

[@tylerpalacio5778]

@@cjhepburn7406 my lowkey favorite character in the series not gonna lie

[@TheDoctorWoah]

A channel that talk about Dune and ASOIAF, my two favourite sagas... ooh my

[@OOTurok]

Next, the Tleilaxu will engineer flying Sky Worms that will produce Super Ultra spice. Then they will genetically modify them into space worms that will produce Super Ultra Mega spice. Then extra dimensional multiuniverse worms that will produce Super Duper Uber Ultra Mega Hyper spice

[@YadraVoat]

Super mega ultra lightning spice, as Frozone might say.

[@carlossantillan559]

Mary Poppins is a Bene Gesserit :)

[@wackyruss]

Bahahahaha! They should make freaking Space Worms that can survive like a dang tardigrade in Space!!! They fly around and attack Highliner ships! They also produce Super Mega Ultra Super Dee Duper ala Peter T. Hooper Spice!!!

[@DerpyDimentio]

@@YadraVoat HOOOOONEEEEY WHERES MY SUPER MEGA ULTRA LIGHTING SPIIIIIICE????

[@gavinhelgeson2880]

Love it! Quite thought provoking.

[@olorin4317]

I love how they create sea worms, then put them on a planet with a valuable, pre-existing, sea based commodity and expect everything to go well. Brilliant writing.

[@TentaclePentacle]

that was the point, the sea worms were put there as a sabotage.

[@Benrude]

I love your videos on Dune! You should do one about Face Dancers.

[@jamesburke3413]

Great video. More please.

[@lachygrant8706]

i love your ultimate guides as well as these extended universe novels and i love being reminded of things like the water worms you are doin a great job when is the next ultimate guide coming out?

[@emiliocamachoerice6380]

This is why I think the Bryan Herbert isn't Frank original intent

[@GamesHelpmeForget]

I don't really get the hatred for the extended universe - sure there is a clear quality and tone difference between the original books and the new ones. But they are there for anyone who wants to read them and easy to ignore for anyone who doesn't.

[@casual1118]

People who like the og books are very passionate and love acting like the smartest person in the comments from what I have seen personally. Don't get me wrong I love Frank's books and I haven't read the extended stuff, but you know what? I move on with my life lmao

[@c.w.simpsonproductions1230]

Honestly, it makes sense why Brian Herbert made expanded Dune books. If these were an original IP, no one would read it.

[@bpresgrove]

some one made a comment about the Star Wars expanded universe. Not the current solo or rogue one, but Knights of the Old Republic kind of stuff. There has been some great stories that have come out of there.

[@lamajigmeg]

well done young mentat ;-)

[@DrTinyTeeth]

My new fantasy band name will forever be Seaworm and the UltraspiceS from now on.

[@jimtaramas6081]

I thought that the god emperor made sure that there won't be any Thinking machines.

[@autumnfox1215]

He did, but Brian Herbert doesn't really follow Frank Herbert's story! Think of this like Dune's parallel universe

[@planetoftheatheists6858]

Parallel ATM machine crusade

[@applecrow8]

so it's like DUNE: Discovery then.

[@icarusfx]

Autumn Fox I thought that the god-emperor just made it so that the thinking machines would never be able to track down all of humanity, not stop the machines from returning entirely

[@pyronixcore]

No, the Thinking Machines were not wiped out. They were pushed out. After the Butlerian Jihad, mentioned in DUNE, there were laws enacted so that no machine intelligence could ever rise to power again. Paul saw in his prescience the terrible truth that the machines would one day return and to ensure humanities' survival, certain things HAD to happen. Many horrible and cruel. He couldn't do it. So Leto had to, and he did. He made sure that in the forever escalating attempts to free themselves from his imposed stagnation (socially, genetically, economically, technologically, etc) that people and technologies would eventually be made to overcome his powers of prescience and be truly hidden from oracular view. Allowing the human race to survive whatever terrible atrocities awaited at the end of the Golden Path. The Returning was the beginning of the Thinking Machines returning to human space, where humans who left during the great Scattering came home to the Imperium (by chance) while fleeing the savage destruction and total annihilation of their once-prospering worlds.

[@krazedweg]

Hey! I really enjoy your content. Both the Dune series and A Song of Ice and Fire are some of my favorite books. I was wondering if you've read any of Glen Cook's The Black Company series. I think you would like it.

[@Dorianin1]

Neil Lundgren probably my favorite series...read it dozens of times.

[@brokeneyes6615]

Yeah sandworms of Dune was very facepalmy.

[@cjhepburn7406]

Broken Eyes Kralizec should have been more.

[@DreamskyDance]

Haven't read extended universe and i doubt i wll... im just interested in which book worms go super sayan over 9000 mutating into interstellar star worms and produce ultra mega super duper, you get two for the price of one if you call now, spice ?

[@gilgameshricardo3867]

Man. I saw Dune part 1 when it came out and that got me into the books some time after. I pretty much read them back to back from Dune to Sandworms of Dune. What a ride. I'm so glad his son finished the story. What a saga.

[@classicasoftware4749]

Frank Herbert should be made into a Ghola so we can get more books.

[@zinki120]

FYI: (Spoiler Alert to those who have not read Hunters of Dune): In the Expanded Dune Universe, it is revealed that the Honored Matres are originated by the liberated female Tleilaxu on some off-shoot Tleilaxu world. Their liberators were the renegade Bene Gesserit and Fisher Speakers who took part in the Scattering. Once the rescued female Tleilaxu found out what happened to them, they took part in the Bene Gesserit / Fish Speaker training. Many years later, their descendants would return and rage havoc on the Bene Tleilaxu worlds as shown in Heretics and Chapterhouse Dune.

[@Reifgar]

Will you be continuing the incredible series on the Dune books? I'm anxiously awaiting the third book.

[@BASTYK14710]

Happy new year :)

[@lsb2623]

This is like how Graboids evolve...

[@jdharm360]

Ultra-Mega Super-Duper Spice, that some how is not diluted by the water. Definitely not written by Herbert, but by the lesser minds of those who stand on his shoulders.

[@thearmchairjournalist566]

I love your Dune videos, they have encouraged me to rewatch the original movie and I wish I could get the two tv miniseries but I can’t find them 😩 I am re-reading the Dune books now lol 📖📖📖📖📖

[@ltGargoyle]

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[@KamenSentaiMetalHero]

Pretty Pixy they're pretty easy to find on KZbin.

[@Mcf4742]

Was doing okay, thought “cool, sand worms bred to overcome their only weakness” then the part where two Pauls fight each other then one fucking dies after consuming ultra spice. Thats just ridiculous. First, the idea of the universe evolving to the point where gholas of Paul existing just isn’t that big of a deal seriously insults the severity of everything Paul did, I know gholas are a thing but Paul... he needs to stay dead. Also, I feel like Leto could’ve used his prescience to search for how to breed sand worms to be immune to water then he’d find a way to swap bodies, but I guess not. That’s the problem with expanded, it creates holes where it’s like “why didn’t people look into the future for that solution”

[@frantisekhajek6775]

Drog so strong than even Paul can't survive it... I WANT IT!

[@TomOostenrijk]

Extended Dune is good Sci-fi schlock

[@privatename5788]

This is what happens when you add Kevin J Anderson to a good thing. We're talking about the doofus who gave Star Wars the Sun Crusher, because he had to outdo the Death Star.

[@arthurballs7083]

The sun crusher was simply a regular sized space ship made from nigh on indestructible metal that allowed it to travel far closer to stars than most (but not all) ships. It fired some sort of missile into the stars causing them to go supernova and thereby destroying all the planets in the system. It's quite a good bad guys' super weapon, for a triliogy of children's books.

[@Rakonax]

sun crusher is still much btter then disney's starkillerbase

[@phillipj1135]

how do you harvest spice on a water planet? Does it fall to the bottom or do you have to kill a worm every time? just seems like a bad play for the spacing guild.

[@jlshel42]

Frank Herbert showed us the dangers of expanded scifi ‘verses and the “Mouse”

[@apollyonkatastrefia1586]

Have you done a video about the swordmasters yet ? if so I haven't been able to find it

[@matel4692]

Didn't know you were interested in the non-canon fanfiction of Dune, too...

[@QuinnsIdeas]

While I acknowledge that Frank Herbert's books are superior there's a pretty large part of my following that wants to hear more about the Brian Herbert books as well.

[@TheMrmessyal]

Seriously though Fuck those people

[@TentaclePentacle]

you don't get to decide what's canon and what's not. Brian Herbert gets to decide.

[@TheMrmessyal]

TentaclePentacle Brian Herbert gets to fuck off and apologies for being an author. Only.

[@SonofSethoitae]

+TentaclePentacle Why? Because he had the good fortune to be born Frank Herbert's son? That's a pretty poor criterion.

[@LeaderoftheFates]

Soon we will have the space worms and gigaspice.

[@1973Washu]

I've been denied all the best ultraspice...

[@flobella7100]

Your gift is that you make your videos so good to watch. They are good! Your beautiful voice. And the imagery. I cant tell you how many times I've listened to you to go to sleep in hard times. Thank you.

[@ringberar]

Personally, I ignore anything not done By FH.

[@SonofSethoitae]

The old Dune Encyclopedia was pretty good if you didn't get much out of the EU. I quite enjoyed it, as an Orthodox Herbertarian.

[@zannaifacedancer5915]

You should try to understand Frank better, instead of showing so much irrational hatred. If you really were an "orthodox Herbertarian", you would know that Herbert would never approve the orthodox Herbertarians. He would ignore those fanatics who consider his book series as a canon. Especially because he wanted Dune to be finished. I can not stand those fans who hate the expanded Dune and feel proud of themselves. I'm keen on the Duneverse and that's all, not mad about the expanded Dune. I enjoyed it sometimes, but also I was disappointed in some ways. And I'm also vehement when I'm disappointed or angry, but I always try to explain my reasons and make sense of them. Anyway, I think that if you want to talk about something, you have to know it well enough. And a lot of people have not even read it.

[@Konanan]

"Omnious" you gotta be kidding me

[@chewface]

I had ultraspice chai one time. It was amazing.

[@TheKielbasaKid]

Ultraspice?!? Why does this sound like an episode of Megas XLR ?

[@thatotherguy8138]

And this is a great example of why many Dune fans don't consider books by Pink and the Brian to be canon.

[@RedStar-kz7wr]

Can I ask why the original and the extended edition are different

[@derekclinton9438]

In the Dune Encyclopedia, it's mentioned in the section on Arrakis that millions of years ago the planet was covered with water and that life on the planet was adapted to it. It's then mentioned that with enough time (a few million more years) the sandworms could evolve to the point where water wasn't poisonous to them. What if Paul (as emperor) sped up this process by having the worms genetically modified to adapt to water, and so the terraforming of Arrakis wouldn't have killed them off?

[@CoffeeKatastrophe]

What about the grass type worms and the Ixian steel type worms?

[@docgonzobordel]

Hurr Durr Spice ! by sanderp worms...

[@KamenSentaiMetalHero]

Hey IOIAF, I wonder what do you think about The Dune Expanded Universe novels?

[@flybeep1661]

It's an Abomination.

[@applecrow8]

I used to work in a bookstore. When people asked about them I'd say "yes, read it, you'll never read anything this bad ever again."

[@KamenSentaiMetalHero]

I like the Legends of Dune trilogy however I think they are milking it.

[@craigs71]

How do I put this in a polite and respectful manner? They suck and are less than a pale imitation of great wordmanship (I think I made a word up).

[@duncanidaho4787]

They´re crap. Worst of all, is crap over a beautiful canvas.

[@Helblind]

Extended be whack.

[@DARisse-ji1yw]

To fully understand the post Frank Herbert "Dune", one only needs to look up the term "Potboiler" or " pot - boiler" .

[@MarcLombart]

What book is this from? I thought I had read all the Expanded universe books but don't recall this.

[@snappyskip9844]

Love the videos but what about the consumption of old spice and smelling real good

[@SpaceCase6valence]

I was loving this channel...and then you had to go to the expanded universe.

[@geomGalangco]

Best fanfiction.

[@alis1079]

Crimson Flab 😁😂 I see what u dis there

[@thorshammer7883]

Crimson Flab What?

[@duncanidaho4787]

Nope, that was the Metro novel dedicated to Saint Petersburg.

[@nadiamond]

apparently i need to re read those books, i dont at all remember that the thinking machines had 2 paul gholas lol

[@KamenSentaiMetalHero]

Hey IOIAF, do you like Tolkien's Legendarium?🤔 If so, can you do some videos on that?

[@dlove3623]

So the winner died? That was dumb. All that lead up of bringing Paul back only for him to die in a stupid robot war.

[@coreymerrill3257]

The accent fran has in ff12 seems right for dune

[@duncanidaho4787]

Expanded Dune is an insult to Frank´s legacy and a place full of inconsistent plots and themes.

[@duncanidaho4787]

This hasn´t anything to do with nostalgia. I´ve read the saga from 2016 (twice my fav parts, the original and Chapterhouse), so It´s like I´m pretty new in the fandom, but to any decent reader the works of KJA and BH are ludicrous and poorly executed, when not just ridiculous cliché. Frank´s work is thought provoking and on the league of some other great masters as Stanislaw Lem or Arthur Clarke, is sad that his own son ruins his legacy by writing stuff more suitable to Star Wars "novels" and even ruining characters. More development doesn´t mean good development. if the writing and the ideas don´t work, thousand of pages of backstory are just a bigger turd.

[@duncanidaho4787]

*Laughs in superior criteria*

[@duncanidaho4787]

A zealot seems to be someone who prefers to crush the people who disagree with him. Such great readers the McDune has, hahahah.

[@duncanidaho4787]

Comparing Dune and Star Wars is ludicrous, SW is a franchise made for selling toys, not a huge work of narrative art. These fandoms should be different in that way, but the expanded shit brings us this soft-geeky view on Dune that is pretty harmful to the legacy of the true books.

[@raydavison4288]

Duncan Idaho: I would suggest that the expanded universe books are more of a failed homage than an insult.

[@Dorianin1]

Aaaand, let's hear from the Talifans, shall we?

[@sanabriaadrian]

Thank you for taking a shot for all of us Dune fans and letting us know about these abominations so we don't have to waste time and money reading this bullshit.

[@sunkist1309]

The expanded universe sounds wacky as hell

[@stardude2006]

So , what happened to the Seaworms ? If Ultra Spice was lethal to a Paul Ghola ... Wow

[@Anenome5]

Bizarre

[@Schwagg86]

Haven't read the expanded Dune universe books but aren't the "thinking machines" mentioned in this video the "great enemy" that Leto II foresaw out in unknown space? I know Frank Herbert never said that himself but is that what happened in the expanded books or do I have that wrong? I just remember hearing that the great enemy was an out of control AI and also remember hearing a lot of complaints about how it wasn't a good idea and wasn't executed well either

[@akrybion]

I haven't read EXDune yet, just finished Chapterhouse, but from all I heard, yeah, the enemy is robots which is really disappointing as OriginalDune never made me think of Terminatorlike mashines to be the enemy. In fact, in Chapterhouse it is stated quite clearly that evolved face dancers ("Those of Many Faces") drove out the Honored Matres back to the Old Empire and not some mashines. I would even have preferred the enemy to be some alien-human-hybrid with connections to the Worms as their origins aren't clear and there are hints of other Dunes pre-Scattering.

[@infested4494]

The new face-dancers were allied with the thinking machines. The thinking machines created the original machine-version of face dancers with the help of a Tlulaxa scientist.

[@colinp.4638]

Can you please expand on the sea worms and ultra spice? This seems to be the only video, and I don't like the Brian herbert books, but this part I would like to know more about

[@Sefcax]

Unfortunately, there's nothing more to really expand on.

[@mountainhermit4724]

Not my Dune.

[@enkimerlin3209]

what book is this from?

[@michelapirrone9578]

What do you think about Dune revenant ?

[@MarcLombart]

Personally, I wish they had written about the creation of the Sandworms, who made them, why, and how they came to be on Arrakis.

[@infested4494]

They did.

[@MarcLombart]

@@infested4494 where and when?

[@infested4494]

There were hints in multiple books. The sandworms evolved naturally by themselves, before a human group, the Muadru, which is now extinct found them and moved some to Arrakis. Originally Arrakis was a sea-planet, which the sandtrout (baby worms) transformed into Dune. The only unexplained part is the why.

[@MarcLombart]

@@infested4494 notre good enough, I want something more concrete. Liked they did with the varied good and the sisterhood.

[@infested4494]

@@MarcLombart It was already confirmed in the wiki and books at some point, so if you're not satisfied then there isn't really any other explanation. Could you elaborate further on what you mean?

[@Takaya_NL]

In what book is this mentioned, I have read them all except the last two (mentats & navigators) and cannot remember any reference to sea worms or ultraspice.

[@chickenbonelives]

John Waltmans it's in sandworms of dune. Before the navigators are all destroyed.

[@Takaya_NL]

Well, I know its been a couple of years, but I absolutely cannot recall that. Guess I have to read them all again.

[@chickenbonelives]

I haven't read the last quarter of sandworms yet. It's been six months so I have no idea how it ends.

[@applecrow8]

the goddess of space and time comes and takes all the bad robots away.

[@chickenbonelives]

Applecrow makes sense. That wacky Norma. She's so crazy.

[@bunnyofdoom4501]

Sand worms on Arakkis are hard to come by cuz of their Fremen name: SHAI-hulud. Now, if they were called... OUT GOING-hulud....

[@kenis77]

What books is this from ?

[@kenknowlton3085]

Which work is this narrative from?

[@aperson22222]

Concentrated summaries of the EDU really drive home how stupid it is, don't they?

[@yourhandlehere1]

Galactic Worms! Quantum Spice! They're the ones responsible for all the "wormholes" in space. "genetically modified humanoid fish creatures"...man, seems a lot easier to build a submarine.

[@vikx512]

Wow, I guess I would be best off to ignore the "Dune Expanded" books then.

[@angieill5913]

Yes. Read them. They a different style. Ya bro is not going to finish the porch the way ya pops would. They have different styles. And all of these dune books are tag team efforts. You got a married couple who both boss level flow together with a community friends and family helping . And then here comes the son plus one. And they is not shy or shabby. No they is not his daddy. They said let us tell what we thinking. This is worth the read. It’s not the same but that’s not a bad thing. There’s going to be moments of What!?!!! But jump in the expands and see what awaits you n u n u n u n u...

[@GallowayJesse]

The EU Dune novels are an abomination. They deliberately change pre-established lore in the original series and introduce huge continuity problems without adding anything of value to the series. Truly disgraceful.

[@geargeekpdx3566]

UltraSpice sounds good but I'll stick to Old Spice

[@SteveJohnson007]

The expanded universe is a LIE There is only Frank Through Frank, I learn of Dune. Through Dune I know Truth. Through Truth, my chains are broken. Frank shall set me free.

[@SteveJohnson007]

@Laltluangliana Sailop Thank you so much for noticing.

[@Bldyiii]

Frank Zappa would be proud.

[@SteveJohnson007]

Leonid Denisenko I hate you.

[@Bldyiii]

Steve Johnson good, good. Let the hate flow through you!

[@SteveJohnson007]

@@Bldyiii Jesus don't downvote this guy; He is just being funny. The poem is in the form of the sith code, Leonid is funny and appreciated.

[@real_fjcalabrese]

Was Ultra Spice was developed by Venture Industries? The Expanded Dune Universe isn't Dune.

[@scottfree2248]

I am glad that I have only followed the Books by Frank Herbert