Dune Lore: The God Emperor's Greatest Secret

[@jon5620]

Leto certainly allowed himself to be killed. At least, in the sense that he deliberately made a bloodline of Atreides who were invisible to prescience, and fostered their rebellious urges. If Siona didn't kill him, then her descendants eventually would. This was explicitly part of the plan!

[@jonahhamilton7580]

"The Golden Path" there were golden sparks when the bridge was shot

[@spwicks1980]

Leto realised what the golden path truly was - to set mankind free from the precient minds that controlled them. His father wasnt willing to go all the way to achieve this but Leto engineers his rise and downfall to force mankind to eschew the precience that controls them much like they rebelled against the machines eons before. Its a series i really should go back and read again as an adult because much of what i read as a kid was over my head.

[@edwinallison6725]

Well said

[@oledahammer8393]

Agreed. Given he could see into the future, almost limitlessly, then he had to have seen this end. Then you get back to the age old argument, pre-determination that can't be changed or multiple timelines based on choices taken...

[@jameshead9119]

@@oledahammer8393 been many years since read it but I got that he foresaw a great danger that humanity would need to hide from ( I always thought it was alien in nature that would out of the dark like say the Borg )

[@w0mblemania]

Agreed on Leto II essentially committing suicide. He created/groomed Siona to be his own assassin. He knew Hwi Noree was a psychological bomb. He allowed the contrived events of the bridge crossing to occur, despite all the obvious dangers. His time was up, the worm was taking over: it was time for the final stage of the Golden Path, and that could only come about with his death.

[@DarkArtistKaiser]

It is the dark irony. He is, arguably, one of humanities greatest saviors, and he will be hated for what he did.

[@w0mblemania]

@Ainapa Murolo By Chapter House, electronics are all over the place, including stuff approaching AI. Clairby was a cyborg, frinstance...

[@DarkArtistKaiser]

Siona saying, secretly in her room: "Ha, I figured out your secrets to defeat you Leto!" Leto 2, peering into the room with most of his body obscured, listening in doing a fist pump motion with his arm, "yes!"

[@TransJAM]

Leto definitely, on some level, desired death; and a death that came at a time when he felt love rather than sorrow was in some ways, an earned death for the misery he had endured; as was the agony of his final moments for the misery he had inflicted. There's a poetry in all of it.

But his death served a higher purpose: infuse confidence in humankind to make it thrive.

[@michaelfisher7170]

The necessity of Leto's death just caps his tragic life. He separates himself from humankind, he binds us all into mellenia of enforced peace, he patiently breeds his own family until he creates the one his prescience can't see, he's presented with a woman he falls in love with, who reciprocates that love, without the ability to physically share love, and allows himself to be killed...The Golden Path was survival, but what a price had to be paid for its success. Leto II is my all time favorite fictional character. Children of Dune Ghanima.....“He runs to tire himself,” Ghanima said. “He’s Kralizec embodied. No wind ever ran as he runs. He’s a blur atop the dunes. I’ve seen him. He runs and runs. And when he has exhausted himself at last, he returns and rests his head in my lap. ‘Ask our mother within to find a way for me to die,’ he pleads.” Leto had been thinking of death for a very, very long time.

[@rebelpeppers7390]

I feel like the God Emperor was the most human, especially with his vast multitude of inner lives and genetic memories. His humanity is also the very thing he has to sacrifice in order to push the human race into another evolutionary milestone.

[@mgntstr]

But... he is blind to the fact that the voices and visions he sees are complete fabrications created by a secret sect of BIRD MEN.

[@SonofSethoitae]

@@mgntstr ...what the fuck are you talking about?

[@Aurora2097]

He never had any true humanism, all he had was the messianic supremacy he had been taught, that a holy man must sacrifice himself to become the philosopher-king, the benevolent tyrant.The one personality of his collective mind which ultimately was the dominant was not the child Leto... it was the ancient tyrant Harum, an evil man with no empathy.

[@dankuchar6821]

@@Aurora2097 Guess you haven't read the book. Or if you did, you totally got the wrong thing out of it. You are absolutely 180 degrees completely off concerning Leto's motives. And yes. Leto absolutely allowed himself to be killed. It was all part of the golden path. It had to happen and he knew it. He just put it off until it could happen at the right time and the right place, near water, so that humanity could never be destroyed by the unseen forces he knew were out there.

[@anjulikamins6420]

I agree i think he was the most human in that he was the best and worst of all of humanity combined.

[@mr.lonewolf8199]

I hope that Dennis Vilneuve's Dune becomes smashing hit and that he will continue to transform Herbert's work onto the movies

[@mcnerneymike1]

that would be the ultimate joy

[@enricomarelli2022]

I suspect he might cut some of the material. I wouldn't be surprised if Paul became God Emperor at the end of a trilogy.

[@CoolHandLuke7]

@@sumdumgai19 TL;DR

[@mgntstr]

I must not hype, hype is the little death that precedes complete franchise obliteration.

[@ronniejdio9411]

Really need a minimum of 3 to 4 films to even finish Paul's story

[@VespoLiveGaming]

Leto didn't just allow himself to be assassinated... he intentionally engineered Siona's ability to be a free thinking dissident along with her innate ability to evade prescience. One could say he longed for someone to come along who could undo him. That development was the next step in the Golden Path he was leading humanity through.

[@VespoLiveGaming]

...add to that the fact that Leto II's consciousness did not end with his "death" - transformed his consciousness lived on in a fragmented state in the sandtrout that composed his outer shell and the generations of worms that descended from them. It was less a "death" and more of a transfiguration or apotheosis... becoming more like the God figure that so many believed he already was

[@wilmersandstrom2826]

Her ability to evade prescience was irrelevant to his death. Leto goes into detail about how he chooses not to see when his own death will occur, and in effect doesn't see near death experiences, or by whose hand that knowledge could risk the golden path by altering his actions. He comments on this during some assassination attempts where he is genuinely thrilled for a moment as he is surprised by something he did not expect to happen and then later reflects on the fact that the reason that he was surprised was that he was actually in danger of being killed.

[@jagondal8378]

Leto II had another secret that apparently only the next-to-last ghola figures out: Leto's weakest point, aside from contact with water, is his remaining very human biology. The face is a facade, an affectation for the citizens, and probably makes communication easier either way. His original body, and therefore brain, are still where they started, down near the nubs that are left of his human appendages. It is here that Duncan aims with the lasgun, though he (mostly) misses. Also, I'm pretty sure Leto tells Hwi quite directly that she will die if she crosses the bridge with him, and she chooses to go anyway. Been a while since I read it, though.

[@Paul-A01]

Siona throws a bucket of water at Leto "Ahhh, I'm melting! Melting! What a world!

[@BrokenEyes00]

Out come the Fish Speakers: “... she killed our god, get Dorthy!”

[@Bluehawk2008]

Ding dong the worm is dead.

[@xaviotesharris891]

I knew I recognized that plot from somewhere! Damn you, Herbert!!

[@Juel92]

Man I really want Dune audiobooks voiced by Quinn so bad. Such excellent work and I look forward to every future video.

[@billhart3728]

I’ll second this idea

[@theblankettruth]

I discovered this channel only a few days ago. I love dune and agree that Quinn would make a great reader of dune audiobooks.

[@kikiohearts]

Right? I actually already use a couple of his playlists as somthing to listen to, to get me through tax season for the past 2 years and now this one.

[@sethjewell7879]

I've tried to listen to the version of Dune on audible so many times. The narration always knocks me out like a baby though. So frustrating. I wish I could listen to a version narrated by Quinn or Jonathon Keeble.

[@Football__Junkie]

All the “secrets”, “spices”, etc in this story are just allegories related to the KFC Secret Recipe

[@whit9250]

Exactly. Hwi Noree = oregano.

[@TemujinMSM]

@@whit9250 The Yoko Ono of Dune.

[@absolutcabbagery3661]

A no room is a deep fryer in this reading I assume

[@keirfarnum6811]

IKR. It was all about the plot to kill the Colonel and take over the secret recipe to dominate the universe. That’s a pretty obvious allegory. 😁

[@jav744]

ahhhhhhhhh

[@BrokenEyes00]

“Leto II is not dead he just went home.” -Agent K

[@LuDux]

“I Must Go, My Planet Needs Me” (he died on the way back to his home planet)

[@hucklebuck411]

Leto II is one of the most complicated characters in the Dune saga and the book "God Emperor of Dune" is probably the most cerebral and toughest read of the original Frank Herbert novels. Leto II, not seeing exactly how or when he would die, appears to have set up his own death in several ways. He readily embraced his love for Hwi Noree, knowing she had been created as a trap to weaken him. He cultivated Siona, knowing she would never be loyal to him. He made Duncan Idaho, whose latest ghola rendition (who also desired Hwi Noree) was quickly turning against him, the leader of the Fish Speakers and then brought Siona and Duncan together. He then charged one of his most worshipful Fish Speakers, Nyla, to obey Siona in everything. Perhaps knowing that "the worm" was gaining ever more power over his human side, he knew it was time to set things in motion toward his inevitable demise and continue humans down the chaotic "Golden Path" that would in the end save them from extinction. But this is just conjecture on my part.

[@patreekotime4578]

I always felt he definitely wanted to die and definitely was putting as many blocks in his own path as be could. 3000 years living with memories spanning 100s of thousands of years? 3000 years of seeing the infinite futures? That all had to have been almost unbearable. A true living horror. And the worm's life cycle definitely put him on a timeline. Had he gone full worm, would his consciousness have been suspended in that body for thousands of more years but unable to communicate or control it, unable to observe the human world but trapped with a human consciousness for a near enternity? True torture. The ultimate horror.

[@jasonkiefer1894]

Not sure I would call it conjecture... That's how I interpreted it when I read it some 25 years ago. I would say you are spot on.

[@jamiebeebe9606]

Your not wrong, even his death was part of the Golden Path. In Chapter House they indicate that he had planned well into the future to make sure events unfolded along the Path even after his death.

[@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090]

That feels right to me. Just I am so pissed that Herbert decided to let the bad guys(the Petulant Kids that Siona was and Duncan became) seem to have the last laugh. When he was dying was a perfect time for him to call them on their foolish arrogance and to state that even though he refused himself advance knowledge of their backstabbing killing of him, he could read them like a cheap dime store novel. Then they could go off victorious in there dirty scheme but knowing that the only person who could have killed Leto was Leto himself. Something both would have absolutely hated the most(finding out there power play of death was something they could only pull off under his guidance) Which really would have made it end the way I think it should have. I've read the book several times and it's always depressing ending it with it the way it did. You always want whiny kids to realize the only way they got to have their cake and eat it, was because the adult in the room let them.

@@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090 this would have been a failure for Leto. He wanted mankind to FEEL they won against a god to not kneel to the enemy that was coming in the future.

[@jasonhavalar388]

Anyone with a shred of sense. Knows that this is what Denis villenvue Is working towards. Any Director or writer that loves Frank Herbert, knows how surreal and amazing The God Emperor would be to tackle and bring to the big screen.

[@JWH3]

Leto's mind was still within the sand trout that he split into, just fragmented. I would say it seems most likely to me that he actually engineered this dissolution as the need for that manifestation of himself had come to an end and what was left of his humanity was simply too weary to care about existence in that form anymore, his golden path had already been layed down and humanity was back on the track away from stagnation. The human understanding and perception of his actions were at best the stories told that he himself engineered in order to ensure that path continued beyond his perceived direct influence.

[@professornuke7562]

That's true!!

[@KralizecRL]

At first I would have guessed that Leto would have a monster like voice. But reading the book, his dialogues and conversations it was impossible to imagine it that way. The book itself describes his tones even being soft at times.

[@ememememem592]

His vocal chords would be human, right?

[@fernandauribe2503]

Me lo imaginaba muy teatral.

[@7elevenqt]

I love that (at least to my interpretation) Leto II is the hero of the Dune saga and yet is still an oppressive tyrannical dictator. Nobody is truly good

[@kimun2106]

Like lelouch in code Geass?

[@richarddeese1991]

Thanks. Leto II definitely allowed himself to be killed. In the two later books, we see Odrade in the desert of Dune, with Waff and Sheanna. There, she has a sort of vision, created by a confluence of genetic memories. In her mind, she sees the way Dune was; she sees the river Idaho and the bridge where Leto met his fate. She thinks to herself 'he chose the time & place of his death.' He had achieved Siona, who was naturally hidden from him (and thus, from any oracle). He wanted to be replaced by her; to have her destroy him. When he found out that Siona & Duncan had gone to the village of Tuono, he told Moneo to change the wedding plans. He said (rather emphatically), "We will wed in Tuono!" He knew he represented humankind's past. He wanted Siona to 'conquer' that past, and assume the mantle of the future. He knew when to bow out, and it seems he did it in the nick of time. tavi.

[@josephroszell]

He pretty explicitly says it’s his plan to die he was just pissed the girl died and his friend was sad, he literally hates his most loyal soldier for being brainlessly loyal but then he hates her cause she just doesn’t listen and kills his girlfriend despite being ordered not to do just that

[@kragor420]

Quinn. I would love to have a sit down with you to discuss DUNE. I have never had the pleasure of meeting anyone with the same love of the series. You are literally the first person I've ever come across that knows more about the saga than me. And for that, you have my absolute admiration.

[@wangbot47]

If only we could hqve gotten the God Emperor's pot roast recipe

[@CrazyRockwell]

Word on the street is his pot roast was dry.

[@wangbot47]

@@CrazyRockwell That person just didn't know how to use Melange properly

[@surfmorworkless]

@@CrazyRockwell 😆

[@PadraigTomas]

With his memories he should have the best recipes.

[@dand3953]

"The most powerful human being by far ..." And yet, by way of the skin that was not his own ( the skin is our largest organ), as it caused his body to exponentially extend and his imaginative talents to quite literally encompass the entire human species, as compared to the prophetic limitations of his own father, at the very moment of mixing GE Leto existentially evolved entirely beyond any human identity. Factually, he was indeed closer to being a god.

[@powkung45]

God-Emperor of Dune was the first book I read, the geo-politics and scheming struck a chord with me as a kid, and though it took me another year to go back and read the full 6-book series, I was hooked on the world, and never saw sci-fi the same ever again.

[@MackeyDeez]

All despotic rulers are not above the need for human companionship. Even Shaddam the 4th had count Fenring as his closet friend and confidante.

[@milvache]

I want that God Emperor of Dune becomes a movie

[@brettc6132]

I dunno, not sure it would translate. The most exciting parts of GEoD consist of just a few ppl talking, or even just Leto musing to himself. For me the best part of the book (my favorite science fiction book of all time!) was the feeling that somewhere, at some point, this was a real being, and the feeling of discovery of getting to know the inner thoughts of such a being kept me absolutely enthralled the whole way. That said, while I couldn’t put it down, I have to admit that it is objectively a boring book, and I find it difficult to imagine audiences would enjoy it as a film without the producers changing it into some kind of action packed slug fest (pun intended) and that would be a total insult to the original book. Who knows though? I’m always hopeful that I’m wrong about this kind of thing.

[@patreekotime4578]

@@brettc6132 There is plenty of action in God Emporer. How it would be approached and especially how his prescience trips would be approached would laregly be determined by how Children of Dune was handled, since each film would have to build on the previous film. So if the plan was to make a giant multipart series (highly doubtful) it seems like the filmmakers would have to be laying that groundwork the whole time and establishing how the visual storytelling works. Heck, that would really have to extend all the way back to this first Dune film since the design of the sandworms would have to be able to accomodate a God Emporer character later.

[@IntrusiveThot420]

@@patreekotime4578 if denis villeneuve cares enough to keep making Dune movies past Messiah, i would love to see his take on God Emperor

[@metawakening6233]

God emperor is my favorite book of the series. Thanks for the videos.

[@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090]

One of the Most Interesting Characters Ever Created!!!

[@IanJacobyandcompany]

It's more than "it can be argued" he DID arrange his own death as part of the golden path. That's the whole point of the book.

[@jimmyblevins9567]

Your videos are directly responsible for me reading the dune books. Thank you, by far the best book I've ever read. Just finished the second book in like five days

[@erich4647]

He absolutely chose the time and method of his death. It was all part of the golden path. If not, there was no way he would have been caught in such a feeble trap.

[@Not_So_Slim_Shady]

I really hope that, even for one frame, we get a glimpse at the God Emperor or Paul sees the choice he'd have to make in Dune Part 2.

[@flipchriceol2049]

Love your channel! I have enjoyed all of your videos. The ultimate guides are such good listening. I put them on while at work and just listen. Please keep the content coming!

[@denlo9009]

these videos inspired me to finally read the dune series. love the content, loved the series. keep it up

[@mdp2920]

Oh my god this was absolutely marvelous. I would love to hear your description of the Leto's Golden Path.

[@kevinmorgan2968]

Leto is a tragic figure. He only achieved what he was owed by his sacrifice when he was destroyed. He was selfish and hurt so many people, but he was human and deserved pity. Hwi and Moneo both were brought to understand how close humans are to appreciating life. It’s so sweet, but when we try to taste it….

[@marmitedan1234]

Really good video thank you. I think Emperor of Dune is my favorite book in this series, which is saying a lot. It's beyond strange but incredibly smart and compelling. I can't think of another like it.

[@GaryBleck]

My interpretation of Leto II definitely intentionally sought out his own death as a necessary part of the golden path.

[@nahtesalinas1917]

This and Hyperion should be made into movies and TV shows. Enough of Star Wars and Star Trek.

[@davidegaruti2582]

Yeah ! Enough of what we already know , enough with batman superman , star wars and star trek , Those stories have been done to death and have nothing to give , The weel of time , dune , the foundation and many other stories have a lot of things that have not been done in a teatrical fashion , and could be really made in extremely cool stories

[@blingsing5383]

We need more 40k

[@ismata3274]

@@davidegaruti2582 death gate too!

[@CnCDune]

@@davidegaruti2582 Come now, Batman and Superman might be... tame?.. but the Joker is gold. Especially the 2019 Joker movie.

[@davidegaruti2582]

@@CnCDune the joker enjoyed some good interpretations , but to be honest it has tired me : i am tired of seeing the society meme cicle between irony , post-irony , latestage irony , humor the highest stage of irony , irony with cringe caracteristics , cringe with ironic caracteristics , back to being serius ... we need somewhat of an iatus and we need other smarter and may i say it scarier villans ... someone to fear rather than someone to question ...

[@sullensz]

"it can be argued" that's a fun way of saying its clearly spelled out to you

[@Herr_Wagner_]

Thank you. I love your Dune lore videos.

[@leser1music]

I noticed the image you used for the Great Houses displayed House Ordos among them. My first introduction to Dune was the Dune 2 dos game. I was disappointed when I realised Ordos was not actually mentioned in the novels.

[@sebaszwarc6028]

I think Anderson suggest them in some novel, but this are something subject to court trial

[@leser1music]

@@sebaszwarc6028 I've heard that they are also in the Dune encyclopedia

[@hannabaal150]

Death was what Leto paid for his greatest achievement, "my Siona".

[@geos4766]

His greatest secret was that he has not taken a shower for almost 4000 years...

[@0321Dave]

Fantastic as always! Definitely my favorite character of the whole universe. Such a bad ass

[@AthwalAmrit]

Bang on dude, I have just started on Heretics of Dune. Appreciate the hard work 👍🏾

[@willogsdon7092]

Killing it as always my man. Concise but informative, great video

[@olbluetundra881]

What I find ironic about all of this is that one of the main characters from the original story outlines even the god emperor himself. A person that died originally trying to defend and secure the future of the bloodlines. Remember. Each Gola remembers up until the time of death. So each new Gola would change slightly. After 3500 years the Gola seen the truth of it. It was the love of the Duncan that both saw the rise and the fall of the atraides bloodline. If Herbert would have finished the series it's my belief the Duncan's was the true hero of the story. It was the Duncan's that truly gave everything for the golden path

[@seenundercygnus6870]

He looks like somewhere along the way one of his human ancestors got lucky with a graboid from Tremors.

[@codename495]

He didn’t become wormlike due to genetics, he took on the worm vector

[@OldManMose92]

He allowed the Sand Trout to enter his body and change him in their image.

[@Marcelo83uk]

"There are two more and I repeat two more motherhumpers!"

[@horizon_universe9349]

This book would be awesome as a movie. Probably my favorite of the Dune series. Awesome work on this video !

[@drgonzo305]

I can imagine the rebels going on a great Star hunt for the ultimate weapon that will lay the *_God Emperor_* low and when they finally crack open the vault that has been sealed for 38,000 years, they find a Supersoaker

[@hamedm9241]

Nice to see you're back at your old format

[@jahread3322]

i love how time and again, love is the ultimate cause that drives human history in dune. love overpowered the suoek conditioning to do no harm thus enabling the betrayal that resulted in paul finding himself thrust into the desert, head of his house. love overpowered the benejeserit conditioning allowing jessica to give duke leto a son, love is the reason paul mua dib existed in the first place...and love is what makes leto the second more human than hybrid worm god tyrant...love is the essence of humanity in frank herberts dune saga...the one thing that cannot be controlled or conditioned out of us, the one thing driving us foward and ensuring the fate of humanity is ultimately guided by what it is to be human...the one aspect of humanity that cannot be corrupted or controlled or conditioned away...rather than by those who seek to control humanity by mutating humans, and thus humanity, into things that ultimately are inhuman. love is humanity itself...more powerful than thinking machines, tilaxiou and ixan technology, the benegeserat, the spacing guild, the empire, more powerful than spice and even more powerful than the god emporer himself.

[@rosiedolciamore]

That was beautiful… I shed a tear reading this 💛

[@pepejocker]

Greattings from Mexico, i have followed you for some time and watched almost all of your videos because i think you are the only one that knows and undertand the enormous and beautiful Dune's wolrd is in KZbin that are you understanding and re reading all this concepts and meanings i wish i know from this beautiful and indispensable huge story!!!! When i went to Spain to live like eleven years ago i found the House Atreides book in one of my roomates rooms, and (i know you dont like so much the new stories) i was so into Duncan Idaho! Because i understand and suffer him and love him as a character so much that i was truly broken in Dune's original novel for a lot of years couse i dint Know who Frank was and what hi has accomplished !!!! so i kept reading for all those yaers understanding and suffring all finally for almost 15 books and years for getting who's the *** character and why and in all his lifes for the main theme that i really understand the all concept (maybe, i dont know, im not sure). But greatings, (en español porque puedo expresar mejor mis emociones) porque eres un hombre que no se detiene en ler, sino que ha comprendido y amado algo hasta el punto de poder hacer la comparación con copias (como star wars obviamente) reconociendo su esfuerzo espíritu y sabiendo que NUNCA ndie jamás podrá compararse con el genio que nos ha unido a todos a pesar del tiempo, la distancia y la nacionalidad, Frank Herbert! Keep going with this amazing and uniqe love and respect to this beautiful and loved mind !!! Pepe Ordaz! Keep going whotout fear... cause fear is only the... ;)

[@nobodycares6633]

I will go to the cinema to show my support.

[@tsopmocful1958]

"You have many lives Mr...Atreides. Only one of them has a future."

[@itslocked1930]

The God Emperor’s greatest secret? Love and water

[@nomoontk9357]

Your Dune videos have been in my life for years now much love Quinn.

[@handley2645mh]

Iay not have been able to see his own death, but he certainly would have been able to see the time of it. That time between his presence and that time without him. So he timed allowing Siona to see his weakness perfectly. Leto was such a tragic figure too but not as tragic as his Aunt.

[@EspressoStalinist]

Thank you for reminding me why I love this book. It's the most profoundly alien book I've ever read, and at the same time the most human.

[@richardavery2894]

This channel is about to BLOW UP now that the movie is out 😀 Great content, keep it up!!!

[@user-lp7tx1fe6t]

Hey Quinn, I heard you reads Banks Culture novels. Can we expect videos on them anytime soon?

[@ioannisfugazi6952]

Such great books.

[@kamarraimo4391]

I second that

[@emergenciest]

Should be right up his alley - cerebral, tragic, with metacommentary up the ass without being preachy

[@kamarraimo4391]

@@emergenciest ... and it has enough weird Aliens to give Lovecraft a run for his money :D

[@fraaggl]

very good, each time you seize my attention to the max !

[@DouwedeJong]

I upvote everytime dude, thanks for making these video.

[@tadeoverri3463]

Even 'God Emperor of Dune' wasn't one of my favorites of the saga, i really felt compassion for him. He was a kind of christ but in the most tragic way because almost nobody liked him and was alone in an enormous time of his life, dealing with save human race.

[@briandaum1639]

Sweet video! What ever happened to Chapterhouse? That video ever coming out?

[@AirMarshalFiftyCent]

Leto II's Golden Path was a three and a half millenium act of ultimate Martydom. He eradicated his own humanity and sense of self and committed countless heinous acts to ensure the ultimate salvation of mankind.

[@lamajigmeg]

thanks for another great video

[@Spite_Lip]

You're a treasure. Always appreciate your work.

[@regla9874]

Man you always do a great job with your Dune tutorials..which is really what they are, very informative and entertaining. Stay cool.😎

[@jenniferchase4085]

I haven't watched this one yet but I feel compelled to express... feelings... about how clearly you crystallize the solution of knowledge that is dune and it's main characters. I very much enjoy your dune vids, keep it up up, but dang. I kinda like soaking in the solution ... im.sure this makes no sense but essentially good job and it's not a big deal whether u say AH-lia or a-LEEa

[@wsmith31000]

Amazing content. Excellent production value.

[@carlosevans9202]

Excellent! Have you thought about making a video solely on the GE’s test of Siona and their time in the ‘desert’?

[@peterweaver3373]

I read all the books. I'm glad you made these videos

[@junkandcrapamen]

Goddam. I need to read this masterwork again. Right after I finish binging "The Expanse".

[@igorstasenko9183]

Well, as far as i remember, it was clear from the beginning, that Lito has the ability to see a wide spectrum of possible future/outcomes and could pick a path that is most suitable for him/his goals. The story tells, that his rule helped to prevent human race to become extinct and to thrive instead under his rule. But he also understood that he cannot rule infinitely, because any person/power that initially good/helpful, and keep being so over long period of time, at some point will become an obstacle for further evolution/development. And so, it must be ended somehow. That's why we see how Lito himself was fostering the many different parties/rivals and nurturing their growing opposition to him, instead of just removing them from the playfield, because they were posing a threat to his godly existence.

[@ArtemisScribe]

Ah that sweet sweet classic Quinn's Ideas content

[@Etticos.]

Sweet as spice

[@whitman911]

Excellent video, Sir. Thank you!

[@impersonal6650]

I heard the idea that The Honored Matres in the 5th book were fleeing from the hostile Kwisatz Haderach. It would make sense considering how many time did Leto II spent to create a human that is invisible to prescience.

[@shaner67]

Thanks Quinn, great narration man . Peace ✌️

[@carolynallisee2463]

Leto knew he was going to die, no matter what. He also knew that if humanity was going to survive what was coming, the worms would need to be re-born... and that meant he had to die in water. That was why he tested all the Atreides: he needed them to see what was coming, and keep his Golden Path alive by killing him using a sufficient quantity of water in some way. It's implied in the book that there were other ways to destroy him, but that would destroy the Golden Path, and seal the fate of Humanity in the universe...

[@brekerr]

You should definitely review the Dune board games, the chaps at Shut up and Sit Down could help you out. Apologies, I'm going to post this on some of your other vids as I would love to get a Dune oriented recommendation.

[@dinoduelist2219]

The God Emperor of Dune. Near immortal. Boundless knowledge. Prescience. But all of it is rendered MEANINGLESS in the presence of a super soaker

[@plaguebutcherdk]

Thank you these dune vids are great

[@joshmaggard6]

What if he accidentally took too long to enter the next phase of his Golden Path plan and became a full sandworm? He himself said that he forgot what age he was in, so what if he fell asleep one night and woke up decades later a full size kilometer long worm? Can't really be killed in that state to advance the plan now can He?

[@mohammadomarsheikh1682]

Now I know where castlevania got inspiration from.

[@mgntstr]

reminder future man, Dune is not a how_to manual!

[@CnCDune]

Orwell's 1984 is being used as one though.

[@patreekotime4578]

@@CnCDune well, it was commentary on contemporary government in the mid 20th century. 1984 in many ways is kind of inevitable because it is about power doing all of the things that power has always done, but with the grasp of technology. Brave New World completes that picture by including the influence of Capitol and corporations. Both are inevitible.

[@iYehuk]

I think that the Golden Path is worth any sacrifices made.

[@sparkeyjames]

Leto plans to last only until he can create humans who are invisible to prescience from both man and machines capable of it (and of course himself). Once he has done so not even IX who can create the machines capable of it can totally destroy humanity. In one of the branches aside his golden path he sees the Ixians create prescient hunter killer machines that destroy humanity. This is the vision he shares with those he tests. Throughout his reign he cultivates, and yet still carefully manipulates, the Ixians and gives them a certain amount of freedom not available to others within his imperium such was his fear, until he was ready for them, that his slightest misstep with them and they would create these prescient hunter killer machines in their prescient impenetrable NO rooms and unleash them on humanity. Once past this hurdle, with the birth of and maturation of Siona who is prescient invisible, he see's humanities path become a mighty river that no one can destroy, his golden path, and he is no longer necessary. In a final swat at the Ixians he has Moneo kill the Ixian emissary Malky for his part in creating Hwe Noree. He does not destroy the ixians because he knows that their future invention of ships called NO ships which are invisible to those with prescient awareness and capable of safe interstellar travel, apart from the spacing guild, and will facilitate humanities scattering and continued existence. The exact manner of how Leto II is killed is not seen by him because Siona is the main actor in this and he cannot see her actions. The only thing he is certain pertaining to his death is that it will involve water and he will separate from the sandtrout and return to the sand. He also sees that he no longer exists in any futures beyond a certain point and that his golden path has been achieved. I couldn't imagine having to wait around hundreds if not thousands of years from one manipulation event to another in order to achieve the end goal and being careful in the interim not to perform or prevent any actions that would derail that end goal. It would drive any person nearly insane with boredom. In the book it is hinted that he relived entire lives in his internal memory to escape the boredom.

[@arthurballs2754]

The God Emperor's Greatest Secret: He thought Mozart's music was tiring and pretentious.

[@donkeykong4983]

R.I.P ✝️.

[@ChupeTTe]

I imagine him bopping his head to Bach, Beethoven, Haydn or Monteverdi

[@drumbran]

Seeing god emperor Leto on the big screen one day would be soo incredible.

[@jonnykelleyy]

just finished god emperor. got dune over the summer thinking maybe I'd read it before the movie comes out. Thanks to your channel and some others I was already on children of dune by the time the movie came out. thanks man. (also I envisioned Siona with brown/black hair. If it says she's blond in the book I missed it)

[@Talimo-93]

Yes, more Dune content. Thanks Qui nn

[@anitareasontobelieve378]

He wanted to die and crest a new evolutionary path for the sandworms, no doubt.

[@SlimRhyno]

"Die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain." While it may not be a true 1/1, it certainly has echoes in the Golden Path.

[@xyz.ijk.]

Excellent, so well done!

[@Saint_Svadhisthana_Sahasrara_1]

Great video Quinn

[@Euclidescunha]

As I watched Dune, twice for good measure, haha, I realize how Star Wars was conceived. The similarities in between the ships, powers of certain persons, the politics governing the universe, are so similar, oh, even the sand worms! But...we love Star Wars, so, we will love Dune even more. And there is a serie being made by Apple TV, "Foundation",. that could very well be part of Dune, since even the little spy drones are shaped like dragon flies. Well, I guess there are enough people becoming fans of this tipes of movies and series, to keep them coming, but the secret is out.

[@gmason2983]

this is off topic but one of the best lines from any of the many books is this one: " psychology is the invention of words for things that do not exist." say that to a psyche prof. and watch the involuntary tic appear. its priceless!

[@lhl2500]

Hmm.. The images shown when talking about Siona, is that of a blond woman, but Siona has dark, almost black hair. It's described early in the passage about the rebels run from the citadel after they had stolen the God Emperors journal. Not shure who the blonde is supposed to be. Maybe Nayla? The image at 05:43 has the correct hair colour.

[@Nekoyama69]

Hi Quinn, will Chapterhouse review will be finished this year?

[@biginc2]

Same question 🤔