@@heavyspoilers Mahdi! What do you foresee for us?
@only_one_chrisfantazzi7 ай бұрын
Ma ub Paul shows the way
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
@@MrSiriusABunsubscribing from me in 2 months
@KevFrost7 ай бұрын
Only the true Spoilerlord denies his spoilers
@Steve-Loring5 ай бұрын
I’m 37. I have been a life long Star Wars fan and I never heard much about, nor was ever interested in Dune. I’m so glad these movies came out because it turned me on to this entire new fantastical universe. It’s much more adult and engaging. I love it.
@C.C._TJ_Jason5 ай бұрын
I absolutely love how characters in Dune are more complex than in Star Wars, which I think created far too severe a distinction of good-vs-evil. This Star Wars approach to characters lacks subtlety and is just not an accurate reflection of human nature at all.
@Trysaratop5 ай бұрын
I sort of liked Star Wars but once these movies came out I felt the same way as the comments above me. On a psychological level it hits the right spot.
@dylanmaxey25313 ай бұрын
Do yourself a favor and read at least the first 3 books (or listen) I found them wonderful when I first read them in 1984 which brought the universe into a complexity which movies cannot touch. My greatest film sorrow was when the studio strangled David Lynch's vision.
@Shoelessjoe783 ай бұрын
@@C.C._TJ_Jasonthis is hardcore... Star Wars is softcore.
@eriq10818 күн бұрын
Star Wars is the cheap imitation ripoff that tried to fool us. This shit right here is Truth and Entertainment wrapped in art
@primelewis16057 ай бұрын
nice little shout out to the quizat haderach himself Quinn's idea 😁
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
The GOAT
@Yourcousinjoseph7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@JanielBee7 ай бұрын
Lol
@debbieebbiebobebbie7 ай бұрын
@@heavyspoilerslol well he did get a lot of inspiration from cbg19 DanikaXIX
@thearmchairjournalist5667 ай бұрын
Great to see creators supporting each other’s work 👌
@Emanon...7 ай бұрын
The Fremen are the deadliest warriors, even beyond the Sardaukar. My own theory is that the Fremen are superior not only because of their planet, but also the psychoactive properties of spice. Imagine a warrior saturated with spice that has a focused speed, reflexes and perhaps even "micro-prescience" during combat with his enemy. That's my head-canon at least to why they're so superior.
@randyschwaggins7 ай бұрын
The unsullied of the Dune-iverse 😊
@mrdavman137 ай бұрын
That is true. Spice is a big part of it, how uninhabitable, and the willingness to die for what you believe in. In contrast to the sardukar or harkonnens being forced into service even threatened with death constantly for messing up. It makes for lack of morale, and distrust in your leaders. It is said in the books that the sardukar doubt the emperor because he is such a petty man, always involved in situations that don’t need his involvement because he doesn’t trust anyone and always thinks people are undercutting his power. The sardukar think why should we sacrifice our lives for someone who is such a snake and dishonorable.
@shiddy.7 ай бұрын
plus the fremen live for hundreds of years unless they're killed
@treborkroy52807 ай бұрын
People shit on Lynch and the weirding modules but at least it shows that Paul and Jessica brought SOMETHING besides a messianic figure. They entirely omitted teaching the fremen Weirding Way fighting techniques that send them over the edge against Sardaukar
@MrEnjoivolcom17 ай бұрын
@@treborkroy5280 I look at it like this: those initial Fremen who fought with Paul would’ve watched and taken notice of his moves, learning along the way. Those Fremen would then go on to teach other Fremen, and so on and so on. Remember, it wasn’t just a few days in the timeline. It was several months (although in the books it was even a few years).
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
Huge thank you for checking out the video, hope you guys enjoy it
@only_one_chrisfantazzi7 ай бұрын
Your videos are great.Lady Jessica is playing Paul
@madhavkumar38217 ай бұрын
Best 1 hr of my life ngl!! More videos like this please, another paul another lisan al gaib
@SK4M_Freal7 ай бұрын
Been waiting on this breakdown for ages.
@michaelsherman17107 ай бұрын
Hell yea now I can avoid English homework
@SK4M_Freal7 ай бұрын
@13.38 You say "Blood in the water!" Cant help but think it as a reference to Don't Flop. @Heavyspoilers 🤣 Defo Big ups Def for that one.💯👊🏽
@MrEnjoivolcom17 ай бұрын
38:34 Paul never so much as touches Irulan. He specifically told Chani that she (Emperor’s daughter) will never know his touch, will never share his bed, and will never bare his children…and she never ever did!
@pnutbteronbwlz97996 ай бұрын
He says this later
@samQu8y6 ай бұрын
Would Chani kill Paul for that? I still can't get over his vision in part 1 when he sees her kissing him then stabbing him right after !
@actualamateur1495 ай бұрын
@@samQu8y Paul sees possible futures, so not all of his visions come to pass exactly as we are show.
@SkimoStories7 ай бұрын
The callout to Quinn at the beginning was pure class. Love both channels.
@hundredfireify7 ай бұрын
1:00:34 you nailed the analysis on this scene imho. Many reviewers missed this I think. In the scene, you can literally hear the ancestral voices saying "Arise Kwisatz Haderach", as if giving him the queue to wake up after Chani did her part
@tbirdparis7 ай бұрын
I laughed so hard at that "ancestral voice" plot device they added in these films. Instead of putting in the hard work to weave exposition into the script, lets just write a couple of captain obvious lines to make sure the dummies get what's going on and ooh, let's make it sound like Gollum because why wouldn't the collective sum of the voices of ancestral memories sound like a weird monster.
@Tearod2037 ай бұрын
Just a small detail but paul actually kills feyd with the crysknife that was stabbed into him. To me it symbolizes he didnt need any underhand tactics to win or lead aswell as not using any words toward the emperor in order to be recognized as the new one
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
Yeah I think I worded it badly saying it was a hidden one
@Tearod2036 ай бұрын
@@heavyspoilers no worries, great video none the less
@beccymay7016 ай бұрын
Came here to say the same re him using his own crysknife to kill Feyd. Great detail.
@NathanielKolk6 ай бұрын
He knew it was the only way, the small way through
@GratifyMeNow134 ай бұрын
I had to rewind (my pirate copy of)the film several times to figure out what actually happened in that scene when Paul stabs Fayd. Now I think I cheated myself of a great experience for not watching it on the big screen.
@bobbwc70116 ай бұрын
Because there is much confusion here in the comment section about the knife fight: Paul has a knife, Feyd-Rautha has a knife. No hidden blades. Feyd-Rautha stabs Paul with Paul's own knife, and Paul immediately remembers his earlier vision from the temple in which that blade could be seen for a split second...and it was sticking in someone else in a different angle, the knkfe's handle facing Paul. He clearly put 2 and 2 together, distracted Feyd-Rautha, pulled the blade out and stabbed Feyd-Rautha in the heart. The knife ended up in the Harkonnen psychopath as briefly foreseen by Paul. He did this maneuver by redirecting Feyd-Rautha's own blade into his right shoulder which would not cause a lethal wound. Again: Feyd-Rautha stabs Paul with Paul's knife. Feyd-Rautha tries to finish Paul with his knife (the Emperor's blade). Paul redirects Feyd-Rautha's blade into his shoulder. Paul pulls out his own knife and stabs Feyd-Rautha to death. The handle of the blade sticks out of Feyd-Rautha as foreseen.
@mercilessforever7 ай бұрын
Stillgar yelling "dont spit it out!" then yells chakobsa had me rolling! Such a great little detail and many little funny stillgar scenes and lines
@AllyRowan7 ай бұрын
A lot of people have missed that the first book is about how Paul can't actually affect what happens going forward he can see the different potential outcomes but ultimately he doesn't know which one it will be till he's in the moment. So the whole book is about how you can't avoid your face which is why he's so annoyed at Jessica throughout for not letting him choose his own fate. However it's also due to the fact that he was never meant to be the messiah. He was 1 generation too early and therefore his power was never fully developed. When he sees the golden path he cannot face the steps he needed to take in order to preserve humanity. Leto ii talks about it as he makes the ultimate sacrifice of his humanity to become the worm to ensure that he can keep an eye on the golden path because leto ii actually has the power to see and affect the path unlike Paul.
@paultoub84037 ай бұрын
I disagree. Paul can affect what can happen. He knows all the possible future. He can nudged at key points to push toward the future he thinks is best. He was only a generation too early per the BG planning. He had the full power Leto II had, he just didn't have the will to force the GP on the human race.
@AllyRowan7 ай бұрын
@@paultoub8403 With respect, he can't which is one of the big themes. He can tinker round the edges but he's being pushed toward the holy war and either taking the throne or being a martyr. It's a fate vs free will. The more he sees the less choice he has. I can't remember exactly where as I'm rereading the books but he explains that although Paul can see all the threads he doesn't know exactly which one will happen in the moment which is a lot different than him pulling the strings and setting the destination.
@blacyc7 ай бұрын
@@AllyRowani agree, its explained in the book, he couldnt take the burden
@peeko_luxx28737 ай бұрын
I love the differences in the movie and book. Despite wanting a great movie that sticks to the source material, it’s also nice to see little changes here and there that can leave you thinking and reflecting more on the original work. One thing they barely touched on in the movies(from what I remember, been a minute since I saw part 1), they barely touched on how brilliant Paul already was before he had any contact to the spice. I’m fairly certain they didn’t even mention he was smart enough to become a mentat.
@AllyRowan7 ай бұрын
@@peeko_luxx2873 no they didn't I spotted that as well. He was practically a mentat in the books which made him a great strategist under Duncan and guernay. He was just wet behind the ears and an idealist. It slightly annoyed me that they shortened the timescale for him becoming the leader because that timescale of years made more sense that he got the respect of the fremen for the raids he organised. I also think they missed out on highlighting just how good a warrior chani is. The perfect wife for a warrior messiah.
@VelvetMetal.7 ай бұрын
I still haven't come down from the high of watching this movie . It made me have constant goose bumps from the music alone (thank you Hanz Zimmer!) Bought the early digital copy and already pre ordered the physical copy In a while 😂loved this breakdown so so much Paul!!
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
Haha yeah I double dipped too, bit gutted it’s not full screen but still looks great. Thanks for the support mate
@peeko_luxx28737 ай бұрын
There were a couple instances that felt lackluster or just complex scenes that truly were tough to match to the screen. With that being said I still greatly enjoyed the movie so very much. Great casting decisions, great portrayal of characters and acting. The score though, I am still blown away myself from some of those tracks. The one bleeding into the credits is absolutely beautiful and I want to find the name of it. The scene after Paul strikes down Feyd. “Lead them to paradise.” Just the implications of that scene and the somber bitter sweet ending was just so amazingly captured. For those that don’t know what’s to come, Dennis really did a good job with setting the mood. For those of us that do know, well the golden path isn’t an easy path to take. Which is why Paul has a much more difficult time coming to terms with what happens when he does rise to power. Despite the mixed receptions, Messiah is up there as one of my favorite books in the series. Just seeing the rise and then so to speak fall of a character you want to like and root for while also realizing their potential for destruction. Hope they go into detail about the trauma left with those that survived the jihad like in the book. Apologies for the rambles! Cheers
@blacyc7 ай бұрын
I somehow found it dissapointing
@MrBadApple9997 ай бұрын
@peeko_luxx2873 the ending song is called "Kiss The Ring"
@summertyme57487 ай бұрын
@@peeko_luxx2873 _The scene after Paul strikes down Feyd. “Lead them to paradise."_ In Lynch's Dune - it just starts raining. lol. All that was missing was for Princess Irulan to pin medals on everyone except the Wookie. lol.
@ryanlindauer70837 ай бұрын
I don't really think it counts as a "hidden knife" in the final duel since it was the knife paul pulled out of his stomach
@drisshansfreetime4537 ай бұрын
Wow i got goosebumps when the scene with Paul walking was using the Harkonnen throat singing notes. I did not notice that.
@treborkroy52807 ай бұрын
Sardaukar had the throat singing
@sickjoe91746 ай бұрын
At the beginning of Dune 2 you can see Lady Jessica doin sign language and when she communicates the Harkonens are closing in by saying 'Enemy' she makes Bull Horns with her hand. Thought that was a neat lil detail.
@olamideiledare52337 ай бұрын
What I love about you is that you continue to shout out other creators keep the humility coming because you also are a giant among men
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
In the way I’m too humble
@Matisaro7 ай бұрын
Paul didn't have a hidden blade my guy, Feyd knew exactly where it was, he pulled it out of himself. Feyd lost track/got overconfident.
@iluvweezies56887 ай бұрын
the blade is still in him when he kills feyd. go to 48: 49 of this video and slow it down
@Matisaro7 ай бұрын
@@iluvweezies5688 The gut blade is the one he used.
@beccymay7016 ай бұрын
@@iluvweezies5688Feyds blade is still in his shoulder but Paul uses his own Crysknife which he pulled out his left side...
@claudemaggard71626 ай бұрын
I dont see how yall get any of those from what you can actually see in the film.
@Matisaro6 ай бұрын
@@claudemaggard7162 Any of what? It is clear as day. Feyd stabs him with his own knife and while he is going for the killing blow Paul pulls it out and sticks him with it.
@h-dawg9697 ай бұрын
“So we can zoom in and get close ups on the flaps, & so on and so forth” has got to be my favourite line I’ve heard you speak. 37:52 Definition!
@h-dawg9697 ай бұрын
I love a good flaps shot
@GRMNCVS7 ай бұрын
Them Shai Hulussy flaps
@JimmyO4196 ай бұрын
Eric, thank you so much for the years you have given us. The life lessons that come from our favorite films is invaluable. I have always loved your insights and would wait months for more breakdowns. You kill it on your channels and I have nothing but love and respect for you, the deep dive, the break room, and the whole new rockstars crew. Thanks for doing such a great job on my favorite trilogy. PS loved watching jaws with my dad too.
@tgiacin4356 ай бұрын
The bene gesserit aren’t forced to move in the shadows, more they have a mentality of what rises must fall, so they play the role of servants and advisors for the great houses. However that isn’t to suggest they couldn’t take over. Thufir even asked Jessica why she didn’t make the duke marry her
@AW-uv3cb5 ай бұрын
In the same way, while the Fremen women certainly enjoy more rights and freedoms than other women in the Duniverse, as I was re-reading the book just now (read it about 25 years ago as a teenager) it became very clear that Herbert was unable to go beyond the limitations of his own time and culture, because what he describes is still not equal, with most women being either wives or servants (even if they get a bit more of a say in their situation and there's more flexibility in the possibilities they have). They pass from one man to another just because that other one happened to kill their previous husband. Seems like Herbert just couldn't envision a society where a woman with children could be provided with social security without being tied to a man, thence the need to "give" a widow and her children to the killer of her husband so he can now become their "provider". I think Villeneuve's changes in that respect (and especially the change in how Chani reacts to Paul's engagement to the princess, after everything we learn about her character to that point) were spot on. Book Chani starts with one or two scenes of being a full-on badass among other warriors and then suddenly moves on to sitting in the sietch and just meekly and sadly saying "whatever you need, Paul, I don't want anything for myself, it's all fine"; it's like Herbert wrote two different characters and forced them into one woman, it was a bit unbearable at the end!
@tgiacin4355 ай бұрын
@@AW-uv3cb Herbert drew inspiration from the Middle East, and religion doesn’t have the best track record as far as equality goes. But remember how the bene gesserit works, they live to serve while moving their pieces. And the fremen have weird traditions. A leader must be killed if someone wishes to be the new leader, a blind fremen is sentenced to die in the desert. As for why a widow goes to the killer, the killer killed her husband, and there for must take up the responsibility for her and her children’s wellbeing. And even then if the killer takes the widow as servant, it’s only for a year. But you can’t compare their traditions to ours. Remember, Arrakis is a cruel world, and the reason they can thrive in the desert is because of their traditions. And as for the marriage, people act like emperors didn’t have concubines while also married. However you kinda over looked certain aspects. Paul’s true love was Chani, Irulan was merely the piece Paul needed to take the throne, but Irulan would be little more than a scribe writing the histories of Muad’Dib. All the while Chani is basically the empress in all but name. As Jessica said in the final line of the book. (Irulan) will have the name, yet she'll live less than a concubine-never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine-history will call us wives."
@nenyeo60903 ай бұрын
@@AW-uv3cb If you're telling a story about charismatic leaders & power structures, it only makes sense to have a patriarchal structure as this has been the standard since the beginning of time. "With most women being wives is very telling" There is nothing wrong with being a wife. As for the concubine, the world is futuristic but has reversed to an old system mankind has used time & time again. Of course it would follow that he wrote about the realism of systems like this. Of all the progressive things he wrote about, y'all can't let this one go, can you? It's pathetic. When writing about charismatic leaders, it makes sense to make it a male protagonist because in the REAL WORLD, men have been the ones that caused that level of devastation upon countries🙄 obviously. But no, let's not write realistic stories & place them in a different setting (which offers entertainment value, surely) but most importantly gets us to critically analyze the story & see how it parallels in our world because it HURTS our modern sensibilities 😂. Narcissistic, much? I think so. Also, Arrakis is a very harsh world and in harsh climates/in primitive societies, the strongest (Men) lead. This is the way it is, the way it's always been. Now, whether it should be this way is something different entirely. In all this, changes to the story in Dune pt.2 broke the world-building & lore, decimated most things he set up in Dune pt.1. But let's not hold directors accountable because it's progressive, lol. When all is said & done, the movies are still mere cardboard copies of the book(s). It's essentially marvel but with stunning visuals; all style, very little substance. You can put lipstick on a pig but that doesn't make it any less of a pig & that's what Villeneuve has done. And then people act like they wanted to be treated intelligently & end up liking Dune pt.2 which is basically slapping you in the face.
@matthewc59697 ай бұрын
I love your videos. The “why” from Arnold always kills me haha
@davidbennett64067 ай бұрын
Genuinely think this is my favourite video of yours, Think I’d watch you do the breakdown of all of the books at this point.
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
Much appreciated mate, my favourite one to do as well
@SK4M_Freal7 ай бұрын
Whats got me about the films is The Fremen can't get rid of The Harkonnen on Arrakis before Paul and Jessica arrive because they are not strong enough fighters but in the book P&J and Gurney teach them The Weirding ways and how to fight like Atreides which makes them the hardest in the Duniverse and why they can then easily defeat the SardauKonnen in the book, in the film it's just coz The Madhi turns up?? Even Stilgar says in the last part of part one, "why didn't you tell us you was a weirding woman and a fighter?" And never hear of The Weirding way ever again!!!"🥴🥴🥴 I seriously thought we'd get a montage of them training Fremen, especially The Fedaykin. Anyway my little Nitpick over. Brilliant breakdown as always Paul.👌🏾 Big ups Def.💯👊🏽
@claudemaggard71626 ай бұрын
It also help when pail cam see the future to plan for battle dude. Get off the gas. There cheating
@InfamousRafe7 ай бұрын
Appreciate you Paul! I really enjoyed this with my coffee. Have a good one!
@rockhurstu7 ай бұрын
One of the big differences with the book is that bit mentioned about poisoning the a pre-spice mass (not spice) with the water of life. That became instant plot armor for Paul and he was able to force the guild to turn the other forces away. I like this version more as the nuke threat wasn’t enough to get everyone to just give into Paul and it flows better into the jihad that I assume begins movie 3.
@conorwalsh43837 ай бұрын
It's good to physically see you In these videos Paul! Great breakdown and keep up the good work
@vicentellopis74217 ай бұрын
Loved the movie! Fantastic commentary as always, Paul. Regarding how they all got on the worm- I was thinking about that the other day. Maybe one dude gets on it and pulls up to a dune. Then yanks the reigns hard so the worm’s head points up the sky, making it stop while the rest of the folks get on.
@rhov-anion7 ай бұрын
Quinn's Ideas is great for Herbert lore fans. Nice shoutout to him. Never end your rivalry with Ryan. Love the lighting changes throughout the video.
@coorslite6197 ай бұрын
I like how you themed the background to the scenes in the movie for example I didn't realize it until the black and white
@Doolyy_7 ай бұрын
16:45😂😂😂😂💀
@NRV07 ай бұрын
Kind of creepy to say
@UltimateCap7 ай бұрын
I love the way you throw jokes for likes… A nice little clever way of reminding people to hit the light button without being annoying about it. Your humor is great. Your in-depth analysis is much appreciated forward to the next video.
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
Much appreciated mate
@StuartKicks7 ай бұрын
Hey great video. Theres an audio error around 58:55, sounds like you maybe spliced a bit of your narration but it over laps. You repeat "the spark was just there with me"
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
Thank you mate, can edit that out
@quamifilms7 ай бұрын
Every time I hear the throat singing or “talking” I just get ready to be transported into Dune
@jonathanchin33962 ай бұрын
This is basically a doctoral dissertation on Dune: Part Two. This is a must-watch, thanks for doing this, cheers.
@floydcooley15 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comprehensive vid. Also had to laugh at the Monty Python reference because the scene where Silgar says the same as Life of Brian: "Only the true Messiah would deny their true divinity". Side note, anyone else get assassin's creed vibes?
@silverlily23893 ай бұрын
I agree. When the Harkonnen soldiers started flying at the beginning, I was like 🤯 . Haven't read the books although I know how it all ended I just hope the third film will still be worth it
@jasonlee75377 ай бұрын
Paul AND Quinn?!?! This is perfect. Two of the best in the biz!
@summertyme57487 ай бұрын
Read Dune decades ago - is my favorite Science Fiction work of all time. Herbert is one of my favorite Sci Fi authors along with Ursula K. Le Guin and Harlan Ellison. Denis cinematic version of Dune - is simply a masterpiece. In comparison to the so-so Sci Fi series, and the laughably bad version from Lynch. Not only is Denis the 1st to successfully visualize Frank Herbert's Universe (the Thopters, the Thumpers, the lazers, crysknives, Harvesters.....the Great Black Sun of Geidi Prime, droool!), but he also understood Herbert's intent and *ongoing evolution of his story.* [more and more - Herbert subverted hero narrative - more and more - he centered his story around powerful female characters and organizations - ie - the Bene Gesserit) He is not making a 'copy' of the novels, as a shallow and empty fan service to book readers. He is creating a unique portrait of Dune, with Herbert as inspiration for his own creativity. His and Zendaya's version of Chani (which the Incels predictably and laughably complain about because they want that character to be NOTHING but a cheerleader for Mary Sue Paul Atreides), is absolute Genius. The Chani of Herbert's original work were mired in 60's sexism - she couldn't even pilot a Thopter much less call a worm cuz..you know...girlz. lol. This Chani is a bad azz Fremen warrior and has her own dreams for her people that do not all revolve around Paul. Bravo - I hope Zendaya is nominated for an Oscar (I already know Denis will be), and this makes the incels pee themselves....again.
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
Yeah they nailed it all round, love both the book and movie, the interpretation of the book is amazing, has its ties but feels almost like an alternate timeline that Paul saw
@B_Estes_Undegöetz7 ай бұрын
Did it occur to you that there are no heroes in “Dune”, and that Herbert consciously chose to depict none? Herbert’s Dune was not meant to include a positive depiction of ANY social groups living in this entirely undemocratic, unfree, illiberal, highly oppressive, reactionary conservative imperialist society in which power is maintained by manipulation, violence, the hoarding of wealth by an artificially constructed narrative surrounding the alleged “superiority” and “natural rights” of a few aristocratic families, the deliberate suppression of science and technology (to the point that computers themselves are illegal due to how much the ruling class fears the power such technology could bring to the masses) … promotion of ignorance among native populations and rigid hierarchical societies of wealth, breeding regulations, … I could go on and on. The society of Dune is basically a byzantine rigidly hierarchical medieval feudal society like any spoiled entitled arrogant rich pre-modern European or English lord or aristocrat from the 1500s would have been comfortable inhabiting. In fact, such people would thrive in the Dune-iverse better than any modern person would, for the only real technology they’d have to get used to would be space travel. Most everything else is based upon ages old principles, as well as an advanced genetic engineering and eugenics (also familiar to medieval people via animal husbandry) to make a superior SERVANT CLASS, instead of using an open society with freely available technology, they instead manufacture an elaborate system of genetically engineered and socially inferior servants reliant upon their masters for the spice to maintain their existence. The Dune universe is a nightmare dystopia; there are no “heroes” depicted in it. None. No heroes in the modern, post-1600, post-enlightenment, post-democracy era sense. There aren’t any heroes in “Dune”, or the first two of the canonical sequels that I’m familiar with; the ones Herbert originally intended to round out the story. Dune is a warning and a depiction of a dystopia. So your criticism of Herbert’s depiction of Chani being due to “60s sexism” misses the mark. The Fremen aren’t heroes. They’re ignorant victims of the Bene Gesserit who have created among them an oppressive religion that keeps them subervient and readily manipulated by the ruling class aristocracy (the “noble houses”) of the Dune universe. Chani is neither better nor worse in the movie or book for not knowing how to fly a thopter / or knowing how; being less a feminist or more a feminist, since the Fremen aren’t in any way meant to be truly emancipated or emancipatory in either the book of the movie. They are victims of a conscious, planned, and longstanding program to encourage ignorance among her people. The fact that in the book Herbert shows the women of the Fremen being victims of gender discrimination and inequality is in fact part of Herbert’s plan, since the Fremen themselves are the products of indoctrination from powerful manipulatibe clandestine outsiders. Herbert meant for them to be seen as violent, anti-heroes themselves, since the moment they begin to form some genuine emancipatory economic and egalitarian class consciousness among themselves, first the Bene Geserit twist this powerful self consciousness to their own ends about the coming a “Lisan Al-Gaiib”. Then Paul in a chilling turn (in the movie) stands before them and tells them to disregard everything they’ve believed up to now, even the things he’d told them up to that moment. He goes full authoritarian dictator in a move not to free them or help the trillions of oppressed common people in the Empire. No … Paul tells them the old rules and customs are no longer necessary… he’s seen the future and it is HIM (and he’ll take them to paradise … an Arrakis covered with water! No one says …. Wait a minute … you’re no going to do that …. The empire runs on spice and this is the only place spice comes from. So … explain how we destroy the source of all the spice again Maud D’ib … and your empire works without it so we can live on a water world here?). Nope … the Fremen are just whipped up into a religious frenzy and he tells them to follow him and do whatever he says. His “great vision of the history and future” is merely how he becomes the autocratic authority at the head of a violent zealous religious army on a jihad that will destroy all opposition so that he personally can rule over the universe. The fact that Paul chooses to employ their highly refined skills at military violence to take his place at the head of basically an otherwise unchanged empire shows the warning Herbert intended Dune to be. There’s no heroes here at all. There’s no new world of democracy and more freedom and prosperity for more people. Dune is a highly disturbing dystopian vision that shows how easy it can be to employ a tightly controlled access to technology to create an entirely retrogressive medieval society that can travel among the stars and use advanced biological techniques to manipulate and oppress whole planets full of people and indeed make them so ignorant they aren’t even aware of what is happening to them. In that they have a lot in common with many that read “Dune” who fail to see it as the through political and social critique of most elements of the “advanced” society Herbert saw around him in the 1950s to 70s, sparing no one from his criticism. It’s a book without any heroes at all, since it’s critique is based upon mid-20th century capitalism fused with the lies European colonizers tell about about their “advanced culture and values” (Christianity starting in the 1400s … through the Enlightenment humanism of the 1600s amd 1700s … up to the “modern democracy” of the 20th century) that are supposed to justify their colonizing efforts and the changes and trouble caused by the economic and political changes that they bring with them.
@codycox24657 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Dune 2 is great but holy cow you are delusional!
@summertyme57487 ай бұрын
Something you'd like to discuss or are you just frustrated and feel the need to hurl an insult to make yourself feel better?
@codycox24656 ай бұрын
@@summertyme5748 yes
@carpemkarzi7 ай бұрын
Nicely done. I only consider the books by Frank canon..but I’m an elitist. But I love these two movies. Oh the laser/shield issue is that it’s a feedback loop and the explosion occurs at both points. I hope we get Dune Messiah and it ends there. Children is…interesting and God emperor is dense af. I am a happy dune elitist
@BobbyRoberts-v9x6 ай бұрын
Im new to the channel, and I am loving the break downs! Awesome, looking forward to seeing more!
@heavyspoilers6 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@mattlawson7146 ай бұрын
It’s so strange that Walken danced to that phrase! Great song, great video.
@mybrutaltruth935910 күн бұрын
The two DUNE movies are absolutely amazing and I have already watched them both 3 times...
@summertyme57487 ай бұрын
_Dune: Part Two belongs firmly to Zendaya, who gives the second half of Denis Villeneuve’s Frank Herbert adaptation an emotional tangibility that the first, in all its exotic majesty, eschewed._ - Alison Willmore, ^ This can't be overstated. Dune - the novel - actually never had this before, at all. The Paul based story is effectively reducible to a revenge quest heroes journey - with Ironic subtext. Much of that Irony was provided by Herbert- and can only be derived at via an intellectual dissection of the narrative. Many book readers who call themselves 'fans' never even got that far (or deep), and Lynch's film - in which the studio desired to take Star Wars copying of Dune, and *'copy you' right back.....* didn't even try. What Denis has done is found a way to have Chani's story directly express many of Herbert's most interesting concepts. It took Frank Herbert many subsequent books and characters (Serena Butler, Murbella, Sheeana, Siona) to get to where Denis has already traveled too. This is one of the best adaptations of book to screen - in years. That's *why* the film is rightly getting rave reviews - really it's better received at this point than the books ever were. Many who cant see this - reveal thru their comments that they either never read the books to begin with, or likely did not understand 90% of it.
@Meadras7 ай бұрын
That Harkonnen dude barking orders in front of the camera after the Spice Depot attack is my absolute favorite moment in the movie, and I have no idea why. I'd follow that guy anywhere
@dylanmaxey25313 ай бұрын
I still love the hard to find extended edition of David Lynch's Dune that SciFi channel (back when they spelled it right and better content) use to show with the sketches of scenes Lynch never was able to shoot due a bad movie studio chocking Lynch's vision. The underground version is about 3-4 hours long and never released officially on video but those who still have a bootlegged version have a precious piece of film art.
@Alpha23TV7 ай бұрын
Just purchased Dune 2. I’m in Mexico currently and missed the English language theatrical release in my city. As a multi-time reader of the books I wasn’t a huge fan of part 1… hopefully part 2 is 🔥🔥🔥
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
Yeah I was a bit mixed on part 1 at first, grew on me and I really like it now but part 2 out the gate is incredible
@TheGumbs7 ай бұрын
Part 2 is like …. You have to experience it.
@ianbubble13787 ай бұрын
Was waiting for this breakdown for a while. Excellent work, Paul. 💪🏻👍🏻
@velder226 ай бұрын
I haven't loved any new movies in a really long time, I've watched this movie so many times I love these two movies together so much I don't even have words to explain it. I haven't put a new movie in my top five and probably 20 years
@ChrisDSaint7 ай бұрын
It’s great that you mentioned Queen's Ideas ❤❤ we all know the algorithm doesn’t notices him 😂
@d3r4g0d86 ай бұрын
Javier Bardem was flawless in Stilgar role. He singlehandedly converted half of the fremen for the cause 😂
@universalpain72167 ай бұрын
You get a like and thumbs up for mentioning Quinn’s ideas. Even before the video started. Love Quinn and love that you showed him so much respect.
@elizabethjansen26847 ай бұрын
Maud dib is a sign on one of the moons. Paul saw the mouse right before they confront the fremen for the first time.
@broderickfall5 ай бұрын
I mean this is obviously an A ⭐ breakdown packed with so much info, but the real star of this video is your humour. You, sir, are a funny guy
@James-bs8bd6 ай бұрын
Lisan Al Gaib! What an undertaking of a summary video. To hold my attention for the full length blows my mind. Pretty sure you deserve an award or something
@James-bs8bd6 ай бұрын
Auto correct kept making me say Nisan Al Galib
@JustZahm7 ай бұрын
WOW! You went ALL in on this one! Thank you!
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
Ey thank you mate, really think it’s the best video I’ve done so I appreciate that
@GabrielHudson7 ай бұрын
Lisan Al Galib!! I love your videos, man!
@shiddy.7 ай бұрын
in the book, the lead up to when thufir is actually captured is an amazing display of how much the fremen are committed to winning anyone else remember that part? with the stolen ornithopter against the sardukar troop ship ... really would have made an amazing scene on film
@treborkroy52807 ай бұрын
I was hoping that specific part was going to be shown. Where one fremen dive bombs a sardaukar troop transport
@jimierbelding84387 ай бұрын
You da best, nice shout out to QUIN
@B_Estes_Undegöetz7 ай бұрын
It seems to be lost on almost everyone, fans and critics alike that “Dune” and the original trilogy, as well as these two films are all stories without heroes in the modern sense. The only character in Dune who shows any of the characteristics we’d associate with modern day heroism … fighting for freedom and liberty and sharing power; keeping the best of the traits of his deeply reactionary conservative society, while questioning many of the evil means by which power is enforced within it, is Duke Leto. And for his trouble he is identified as “promising” by the Bene Gesserit but ultimately a disappointment and a failure … and “weak” by the Emperor, who fears his popularity among the weaker houses for his ability to consensus build. So, basically Leto was murdered and his family and “house” followers were scattered and destroyed was due to his new revolutionary ideas, his egalitarian tendencies, and his desire to build power based upon a more democratic, less rigidly hierarchical world order. His son of course, rather than following this path perhaps towards overthrowing the emperor in the interests of the new ideas of his father, instead becomes an authoritarian dictator who manipulates the religious credulity of a tribe of simple but incredibly tough and violent people to take power for himself and replace a doddering geriatric empire with one far worse, far more murderous, due to the horrific selfish manipulations and miscalculations of the various groups all vying for tiny incremental improvements to their own power in the existing hierarchy. That’s why Dune is without a doubt a thoroughly dystopic world, and the Dune novels lack anything like a modern enlightenment era hero as we have come to understand them. Despite what most fanboys and analysts might think and clearly miss about this series.
@Carribla6 ай бұрын
Because of the success in these movies, pretty much everyone should know this already, so no, I'm not sure wtf your on about. People like you are on every video about dune, saying the same thing as if it's deep. THIS IS SURFACE LEVEL. This should not be eye opening, and I don't think it actually is. It's just people like you who think it is. This has been done after dune, and should not be a surprise to modern audiences. The biggest example is Attack on Titan's Erin Yeager. The show actually shares a lot of similarities, but it's view of the "hero" is almost exactly like dunes.
@DC-gy1zw6 ай бұрын
Sounds like Mohammad ascension here on earth.
@Endgame_01Ай бұрын
I remember watching the David Lynch film in the 80s and thinking ban then that those shield effects were the coolest thing I had ever seen. But I gave it a rewatch between parts 1 and 2 and, have to say that take hadn't aged very well at all. After watching part 2 I decided to read the book. It's so interesting to see how each film got things right and what was cut. Now i have to watch the Syfy show and read the next book
@neoream36065 ай бұрын
This video was my favorite video you made
@daisyblossomflowerchild97027 ай бұрын
Thank you for this amazing breakdown, Lisan al Gaib. :)
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
much appreciated
@Emanon...7 ай бұрын
There's also a courtship ritual here on Earth, where you accidentally drop the soap in the common shower.
@SonicBrosEvolution4 күн бұрын
paul you rock Sir! keep the great content a coming!
@treblelatrice9267 ай бұрын
Paul...you's a real one. 2 thumbs up!!!
@therev21006 ай бұрын
54:33 Chani out here looking like Pim after Desmond made his worldview crumble.
@pedrouribe60336 ай бұрын
16:44 I’m eating breakfast, and I laughed so hard. My coffee came out of my nose. 🤣
@LBo...7 ай бұрын
Great vid Paul
@rolandgibbs90366 ай бұрын
Great content but you need to sort out your lighting setup sir
@heavyspoilers6 ай бұрын
Yeah been trying different setups, difficult to get right but starting to move towards something I’m happy with. Thank you for the feedback.
@gr8tbigtreehugger7 ай бұрын
What a huge video drop! Love Dune! Love your passion - appreciate you!! I rediscovered Dune via Quinn ❤
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
Quinn is the best
@cadaver0thief6 ай бұрын
This was great. I enjoyed it very much.
@heavyspoilers6 ай бұрын
Thank you
@starshapedtambourineman7 ай бұрын
Considering a 3rd trip to see this... Will watch this breakdown later on from a comfy spot and immerse myself again. What a great film, the first dune too. ✌️
@elookay-emaviwe71537 ай бұрын
One of the best you’ve ever done, I dare say. You and MT are taking this channel to new levels.
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
Thank you mate
@macgirlcokey7 ай бұрын
Great analysis!! Enjoyed listening to it & I enjoyed the movie as well 😊
@Cadence7337 ай бұрын
9:25 I wondered if this was a deliberate call back with the circular door opening to the atomics, I thought it harked back to the eclipse?
@MEL-wm3bq7 ай бұрын
28:23 small correction, the word ‘djinn’ is not based off the word ‘genie’ - it’s the other way around. Thanks for the amazing video as always!!
@HiPo-u1c5 ай бұрын
I hope 🤞 great reviews previews!😮
@ssj4rebellion7 ай бұрын
Got 20 minutes into this and realized I still had an hour to go. Gotta save this for bed time 😂
@stonjes116 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@heavyspoilers6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much
@Sammydx14 ай бұрын
I have no idea what Dune is about. But its interesting
@Loewziepoewz6 ай бұрын
I'm addicted! I can't get enough of Dune!!!!
@bigalanthewasp7 ай бұрын
Film of the year. I love it saw it 5 times at the cinema 👌
@Arock-pu9zv5 ай бұрын
It's a tragedy everyone seems to have missed your brilliant "Stop what you're Dune" masterpiece. Bravo
@badhollywoodscience7 ай бұрын
The 2nd moon isn't called Muad'dib. The mouse shaped shadow on the 2nd moon is called Muad'dib.
@LouisXVl7 ай бұрын
Caught that too
@Lotus_Lenex6 ай бұрын
I just love it when my favorite creators shout each other out!
@Baylison6 ай бұрын
I'm surprised you missed the part where after Paul drinks the water of life and talks to him mom about seeing a narrow way through for a single frame is a shot of fyed being stabbed in the final duel.
@renatinhodelperu5 ай бұрын
My friend, you and your channel are amazing! Thank you!!!
@slapshot36 ай бұрын
Great content!! Your camera is a bit over saturated.
@AveryHardmann28 күн бұрын
Good stuff! Thank you!
@heavyspoilers28 күн бұрын
Thanks so much
@KosmicJr1007 ай бұрын
I love that once all the Fremen stand with their swords raised, the room looks the mouth of a Sandworm with Paul in the center, symbolizing him becoming more important to the Fremen than Sha-Hailud.
@beccymay7016 ай бұрын
Wow yes great point. I'll look for that when I watch it again.
@DocM497 ай бұрын
That was the most detailed review I’ve ever listen to. I’ve also read those books. You did an amazing job.
@heavyspoilers7 ай бұрын
Thank you
@thespeedofchillax5 ай бұрын
aside from being really cool visually, there is a tactical reason that the Harkkonen forces attack the fremen deep in the desert during the eclipse, which is because it reduces the amount of sunlight drastically so the Harkkonnen can actually see what they are doing, at least way more than normally where they are blinded by the sunlight since their eyes arent used to sunlight anywhere near this bright.... thought that unsaid aspectnof when they opened the second film with the desert attack is one of those things that enhance the movie upon a second pr thord viewing and just shows the brilliance of denis Villeneuve.... /blahg.
@cill0rable7 ай бұрын
Love the Quinn's Ideas shout out!!!!!!
@ruken38247 ай бұрын
I love these long videos ❤
@lissy2000us7 ай бұрын
Quinn’s Ideas is pretty badass
@joaovictorkelima25517 ай бұрын
MAN, I congratulate you on this one. Ru, I've already read F Herbert's 6 books twice, I didn't get to his point, I mastered the Weirding Way of the BG that makes you a perfect Feydakin Addam reshii a-zaanta this Chakobsa quote "Long Live Fighters" from the film and here is the one from the book ... ya hya chouhada and a wonderful detail is that Lenville's actor, Roger Yuan, is the stunt and fight coordinator
@johntybagend7 ай бұрын
Genuinely thought your camera was broken until about 48 minutes in. Well played.
@seeker-br8lfАй бұрын
I remember reading DUNE back in the 1960's. Yep, I am old, and I have seen these new movies and I have concluded that many things you see are not as I remember them. I remember Paul becoming totally a creature who could see the future and everything about it. He made his choices, as I remember it, on killing the fewest number of people and that was the reason he basically committed suicide. As you recall he could change the poison from the blade that he was cut with in the duel, he could do stuff that was godlike and I think that his choices were dictated by the fact he didn't want so many dying. I think you didn't see that. anyway....