Dune Prophecy Episode 5 Ending Explained - Is Desmond Hart Tula’s Son? How Did He Survive?

[@rbunk44]

Just noting that what the Bene Gesserit wanted was an Atreides Mother and a Harkonen Father. Maybe that's why they couldn't control Paul, just as they can't control Desmond.

[@ScooterDoge]

I love that you can go many places in the Dune-iverse. The timeline is huge. Thinking machines in the past, worm god in the future.

[@corujariousa]

Seeing the Bene Gesserit has an AI in their monastery was interesting. They indeed work under their own terms and for their own interests.

[@_lourent_]

if you love the show like i do, I ADVICE you to rate it on imdb and rotten because the rates are bad. if you want more seasons

[@JohnFourtyTwo]

Advise is the word you’re looking for.

[@mb9662]

@@JohnFourtyTwo your*

[@fmaries7000]

TY for keeping thinking machinery around Desmond in the story. I believe Desmond was raised by that one Atreides boy who tula allowed to live. I believe that Desmond did die in arakis but that one Atreides took his body and had him turned into a Ghola. Desmond then became the weapon who would be used to exact revenge on the Harkonnen sisters. I'm also keeping mind when Desmond told the emperor and Valya where he came from. Valya said that he believes what he said but that he was lying.

[@dffndjdjd]

That doesn’t make sense. She left and was pregnant. Valya made her get rid of him since he was a male. Valya likely sent him to that planet to spread his genes and nothing else.

[@tombstone9976]

😂😂😂

[@rickbase833]

Great episode and covered a lot of ground. The show is filled with many great characters and Plots. I've been a Dune fan since the 1980s and this series along with the Denis movies are very satisfying. Now.....we need another season of Prophecy....otherwise what is the point? Season 1 isn't going to end with finality.

[@dffndjdjd]

I don’t think Ix has anything to do with it. It’s machine tech. Like the Tula is his mother thing was hinted at from the first episode, this show is full of foreshadowing and subtext. Just like Frank wrote! Which is very refreshing. So I predicted after episode 2, Desmond was Tula’s son. Remember spice extends lifespans by two or three times, and we see Tula drinking it every day. She probably in her 70s! What led me to that conclusion was the mothering she did for Lila, it hinted at being an outlet for some past trauma around her own child or children. The sacrifices Valya mentioned to Tula. Then finally when we see her lay with that Atreides boy, I knew I was right. The rest of my theory is that Desmond is a male reverend mother. That he was exposed to the spice essence when he was stuck by the worm, or whatever happened there. In God Emperor, Leto secretes the essence between his scales showing us book readers how Desmond was likely exposed. This essence is fatal, as shown in the Dune novel, unless it’s transmuted by a reverend mother or a new one under the aging. So Desmond survived the agony. How? Well he did it instinctually. We know his heritage being of strong genetic stock. The problem is there’s a reason why men don’t take the agony or don’t survive it with their sanity, and just as the show mentioned in this series, the male ego memories are louder and harder to control, impossible even (before the breeding program to strengthen the genetic foundation). This means, I believe Desmond survived the agony, unlocked his ego memories, which is how he knows who is mother is and what happened to him, but that he could not control the voices. As Paul’s sister Alia does in the novels, Desmond makes a deal with one of the ego memories to silence the others. And this is reinforced both by this latest episode demonstration of possession but also earlier before her trial when Lila was told she must make alliances with inner voices. Desmond traded this peace, as well as helping him take revenge on his mother and the sisterhood, in return for some body time. Allowing the ego memory to take control for short periods as we saw Lila do in this episode. The problem is who is this ego memory? And that’s where I think you’re wrong. I think it’s Vorian Atreides’ father, the cybernetic machine General Agamemnon who was killed at the end of the war. We have seen Desmond twitch and seem to transform behavior multiple times, that’s foreshadowing. And it’s this ego memory which is creating these weapons and gadgets to further his and Desmond’s goals. I believe his possession and reverend mother, father?, status will be the big reveal for the finale. If we see a season 2, it will be to explore this dynamic. We will see who is really in control. And what his goals might be, likely seizing power.

[@giada951]

Wow I love your theory! Now that we know Desmond's genes, the possible link between him and General Agamemnon makes much more sense than any other theory I've read about gholas and Bene Tleilax! It's even possible that the blue eyes and metallic voice inside the worm in the vision come from General Agamennon who then becomes one of Desmond's ego memories after he was reborn in spice inside the worm! Also, i don't know if it makes sense, but the retrovirus Sisiter Raquella found may come from another ego memory or a simple inheritance from an Atreides or an Harkonnen family member who fought against the Thinking Machines and got infected by the virus and that's why it's slightly different now since it comes from Desmond who is immune to it thanks to his strong genes and so he is able to use that retrovirus as weapon in combination with am inherited mental ability.

[@jusadude7162]

I admit I wasn’t a fan of this series after episode 1. It looked like a CW channel production like Riverdale in Space with the sex, young folks, and the nightclub🤦🏻‍♂️. Each episode has been better and better. I am really excited about it now.

[@EmanuelMarkos-e3g]

Should I give it another chance

[@jusadude7162]

@ I hung in and I’m glad I did. You might not have the same experience but I would say give it another try.

[@MiniMotoAlliance]

The sisterhood never intended for Lady Jessica to have a male Kwisatz Haderack because their prophecy tells of the dangers of a male with that power. Paul Atreidies was born in defiance of the Sisterhood. This new TV show is playing fast a loose with lore and i hope they dont ruin the prophecy

[@mb9662]

Desmond Hart has DNA of the original Desmond Hart, but he could be a clone. He is capable of controlling thinking machine viruses with his mind… He is clearly working for a yet unseen force. (Bene Tleilax!) I just hope the axlotl tank plot plays a part

[@summerdawn6073]

They still “Sisterhood” not yet BG

[@yoboyrob201]

The only thing about the dune universe that has continually bothered me is that it treats all computers like they are AI. You can make extremely advanced computing without making it self aware. You can definitely have a recording device that not AI easily. Heck you can have drones that’s not AI.

[@NikolaosSkordilis]

That one bothers me too, but I think it can be easily explained because the story is post-AI-apocalyptic. Unlike our world the expertise to make a (more or less) self aware AI/AGI already exists. And the basis for said AI is a computer. So computers can easily lead to AIs, maybe via mere programming or loading a neural network. Therefore unless computers are banned AIs could reemerge at any time. In Dune the AI genie is already out of the bottle, so the only viable solution is to destroy the bottle.

[@mb9662]

The spaceships are all steam powered and controlled via levers and gears to calculate flight paths

[@yoboyrob201]

@@NikolaosSkordilis I mean, sure. But my thing is, if someone wants to make an AI they’ll just do it. Doesn’t matter if you ban AI or computers outright. In the meantime, you at least get the benefit of advanced computing if you just let that still be a thing. Since instead the galaxy has basically become addicted to a substance that’s only on one planet that’s expensive as fuck. Also could just be a misunderstanding of technology on the part of frank herbert. Maybe he was like, oh you definitely need to have AI to be able to make this happen. He was born in like 1920.

[@verdebusterAP]

The reason for that is the Spacing guild They have a complete monopoly on space travel which gives them tremendous clout The computer technology in Dune is advanced enough to where they can easily do the calculations for space folding Also remember that warfare was heavily restricted , namely Holtzman shield made most conventional weapons useless What I liked about the 1984 movie is that house Atreides had developed sonic weapons which could bypass shields that was 10,000 years later from this point If computers hadnt be restricted ,someone would have developed that tech much sooner

[@yoboyrob201]

@@verdebusterAP they indeed should have computers that can calculate space folding.. but they act like it's only achievable through AI. which shouldn't be the case. i get the whole monopoly on space travel thing. but it's purely through the use of navigators which again need spice. it's a terrible way to hamper an entire galaxy.

[@ronsmith8424]

Really enjoying this show and your reviews and recaps. Can’t understand why more people are not loving the slow burn of this show. The writing feels like the books and appeals to real fans of the Dune books. Can’t wait for the finale and praying for a Season 2.

[@WebFanNY]

Desmond is Kieran's Uncle Dessie

[@melaniephillips4238]

Thanks for explaining about Desmond's particular personal shield. I was wondering how one of the typical shields would've protected him from that explosion, but was unfamiliar with that Ixian version. But are they portraying Desmond as an early Kwisatz Haderach? I thought it took the Bene Gesserit 10,000 years to get to the point to where Paul's powers were possible?

[@ScooterDoge]

Princess breaks out sword master you see them fighting together in trailer.

[@araldjean-charles3924]

Spoiler alert: The Bene Gesserit is the only house that survives all the other great houses in the Imperium. What is Frank Hebert and his son really saying?

[@ethanseymour994]

That's Brian's work. Frank was going to end the series on his 7th book. Brian is milking his dad's legacy with his own Bullshit. What a sad thing to do.

[@jardinek2121]

So Tula saved Desmond by abandoning him instead of killing him.

[@Alex-dz2et]

I’ve read comments that Desmond hart could have BG skills albeit slightly different. If this is the case, then it could be possible that he is imprinting on the Empress just as the Emperor is being imprinted on.

[@cdrocrossdiscovery]

I sincerely hope that Tula and Valya get their reckoning in the final episode. After all, the Bene Gesserit have 10,000 years to rebuild before Paul Atreides.

[@kenmalicekjr.7739]

I love that Javico promotes his incompetent nepo baby son to command his new fleet of fighters that's gonna end badly

[@EdvardsJ]

The show is incomparably better than the movies

[@dwiputrawahyukusuma7821]

Lol. U tripping bro?

[@jjpopesupremacy8762]

right!!!!

[@carastone3473]

It’s really good, but so are the movies!

[@natedogg0131]

If you mean details and plot lines yea any tv show can flesh that stuff out better. Movies are masterpieces imo

[@smosmo4617]

Trolling

[@Chris-vz7en]

How can Tula be that dudes mom? She's only like 10 years older than him...

[@nicholastheofrastou1953]

Tlalaxu women are just axolotl tanks.

[@pedrocorza6393]

Young tula is a gangster

[@mercilessforever]

What about the blondish acolyte that nobody could tell was lying. I wonder if she could be related to Desmond instead. I wonder if the Tula connection is too obvious , unless she has found a way to retain youth because her and desmond look around the same age

[@AnnHatzakis]

Remember that the sisters can manipulate their internal chemistry to stay younger. Also, spice lengthening life is a factor

[@AnnHatzakis]

And the blonde girl could be Valya's child too....

[@mercilessforever]

@@AnnHatzakis I like that!

[@mercilessforever]

@@AnnHatzakis ah good call. All my info is based off the movies and show and the lore online. Havent gotten to read the works. But yes, that makes sense. I buy that he could be her son. Im just curious why his eyes are not BEAMING BLUE

[@basrullak]

HBO should've focused on Butlerian Jihad instead of this GoT wannabe nonsense spin-off... And i said this as a DUNE scholar since i was 17.

[@바보Queen]

without the voice power they kinda suck

[@johnbiggans3514]

Only six episodes such BS

[@xtrafunk]

5 episodes in and it's still not really clear what the core story here is, or what the stakes are. the world / universe state is roughly the same as it is 10k years into the future... which honestly runs a little counter to frank's message about stagnation being dangerous

[@ziyaalim2800]

First 😛

[@Nou-s4k]

I just want to hear what happens in the tv show I don't want to hear your constant complaining and opinions

[@Alex-dz2et]

Wrong channel for you then?

[@Nou-s4k]

@Alex-dz2et you got any suggestions?

[@benjamin7114]

@@Nou-s4k Cocomelon is that way 👉

[@ethanseymour994]

Im a frank herbert fan. This show is shlock. Garbage.