Dune Prophecy Is Pretty Bad

[@friendlyspaceninja]

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[@tahnadana5435]

if only you gen z's can tone down on the hyperbolic, you'll be better people

[@aliciabell6688]

I am a mild fan of Dune. And I thought it was ok.but my expectations were really low.

[@covereye5731]

4:48 "like active noise cancellation and of course active noise cancellation" , so the supposed new features, is an old feature but twice.

[@LuisSierra42]

@@tahnadana5435 He's a millennial

[@ArmonMitchell]

You should be watching The Agency (Michael Fassbender)..... and also Scavenger's Reign

[@Terriblyexplainingcomics]

Ngl I’d be down with you just explaining the lore of Dune cuz those first 19 mins about the history of the bene gesserit was honestly peak

[@elizabethlevesque6978]

Honestly, I was so invested. I’ve been meaning to read Dune but haven’t had the time, and I’ve yet to watch the film and the when Ninja tells stories when he’s talking about a GOOD one, he gets super into it and his storytelling voice is so soothing. Ninja we would love a video on the Dune lore, please 😭

[@Terriblyexplainingcomics]

@ should definitely get into the books, they’re some of my favorite tho I must warn the later books get very philosophical and and a bit dry, but yea would totally just love to hear him talk more about Dune

[@ashtonkhan8763]

bro i completely forgot i was watching a dune prophecy review😂😂 its was a solid lore dive

[@Authorrlee]

That would be an excellent video to drop before the dune season 2 review

[@anonymousg1210]

While I’d love to hear more about friendly space ninjas thoughts on the dune series, there’s actually a really great channel called Quinn’s ideas that has summarized all the dune books. He even goes deeper into specific topics about the dune universe in some of his videos!

[@aanghedonia9751]

I remember reading an article in Deadline about studio executives MANDATING writers to DUMB DOWN dialogue in order to account for "second screens" -- meaning they think that the majority of viewers are also on their phones, so they need their hands held so they won't get lost... 😬

[@mungiuri]

So weird ... the reason people start scrolling is because the movie/tv series is boring and does not require our attention...

[@aanghedonia9751]

@mungiuri Our nation is not known for its ability to understand subtext, or use critical thinking. Therefore, they dumb things down for viewers -- which then limits our ability to understand subtext or use critical thinking. We're a snake eating our own tail...

[@reginaphalange9417]

Yes, I also remember the producer of The Witcher saying that plot points of the series had to be simplified because otherwise americans wouldn't understand what's going on and also to try to reach a larger audience (spoiler: it's wrong and condescending)

[@Tink00]

I have never in my life heard a single human being say they didn't want to watch an otherwise highly-regarded show because it wasn't "second-screen" enough. There's already more than enough mindless content to throw on while we do other stuff. There is no demand for *more* slop

[@slorenz5626]

​@@reginaphalange9417 him have a point 😂

[@victoriaklein994]

GOD I am so tired of this trend of lazily written TV series that spend their entire runtime TALKING DOWN to the audience. I was so excited for this show, what a let down.

[@Alexander_Stern1]

It’s because everything is Second Screen content now. The expectation is that you’re probably scrolling and only half listening, so if they don’t repeat themselves and spell everything out, they’re afraid you’ll miss something and tune out entirely. I run in to this when we watch movies in my classes at school. I’ve had students complain when older movies have important business take place without dialogue because they didn’t realize that something was happening that they needed to see. When we watched Terry Gilliam’s “Time Bandits”, a student looked up and asked what was going on. When I explained what he missed, he said: “How was I supposed to know that? There was just music playing! I didn’t know I need to watch!”

[@asarishepard8171]

The downfall of today's writing, if we want a smart show it has to be written by smart people who leave their egos at the door 😂

[@Bogaloo1232]

@@Alexander_Stern1It’s true, audiences are getting more stupid every day, and the studios making content (not tv shows, content) enable them to get dumber and dumber. 😒

[@reginaphalange9417]

Same, I'm tired of exposition, exposition, exposition... Show, don't tell

[@vietimports]

hilariously, two shows that did not talk down to their audience were the One Piece and Fallout live actions

[@shinniehildebrand]

As a writer myself, my recent experiences with beta readers have made me reflect on an interesting point. Is the tendency to over-explain things through dialogue actually rooted in who gets to read and critique the original script? I've had beta readers ask me questions about things that were glaringly obvious in the writing, hinted at through subtext, or intentionally left as hooks to be answered in later chapters. Yet the beta-readers demanded I add more explanations to “dumb it down and help them understand more”. But these parts were meant to keep the reader engaged, not to be over-explained upfront. I wonder if the problem lies with scripts being reviewed by decision-makers who a) don’t care about the source material and b) struggle with reading comprehension. Their confusion might lead to scripts being over-edited to include unnecessary explanations until they “get it” and sign off on the project. Making a show is never a one-person effort-it involves teams of writers, producers, directors, and others who all have a say in what gets made. Another factor is cost. Certain scenes are simply more expensive to show, so “telling” becomes the budget-friendly alternative. This is how you get scenes where a character tells another character about the cool action that happened off-screen, instead of showing us (the audience) that cool action instead. It's literally a trick employed by rookie film-makers to pull off a story without exploding their meagre budget. Sometimes, it seems like the show isn’t even intended to be GOOD-it’s just meant to capitalize on the success of the movies and bring in money. Without someone in a leadership role who not only loves the source material but also has the POWER to defend it, these projects often end up being shallow cash grabs. The priority is to make it look good enough for the trailer to sell it, not to ensure the quality of the actual content. Judging by the viewer numbers and the speed of its renewal, it seems the show succeeded at its corporate goal, even if it fell short artistically.

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership

[@therealpils]

@@dhimankalita1690 more botness

[@therealpils]

*spot on.* add the fact there are unbelievably more non-thinking people in the world and shit, sand, and sex sells.

[@RemixerUltimate]

The point about reading comprehension is one that we really need to focus on. Who do we have reviewing this material? If it’s the executives, are they truly representative of the audience who will be consuming the media? I’d say not really.

[@cjtsang]

Yes, I think a lot of people are quite literally unable to read. I can only speak for my country, but the average American has always had abysmally poor reading comprehension, and this was before smartphones. Less and less people are reading, so when they're forced to read, they genuinely don't know how to engage with the material. They want easy explanations and hand-holding. They don't ever want to feel confused or challenged while reading, when the challenge of understanding a character or a world is an essential part the experience-it's part of what makes narratives worthwhile.

[@ZatoichiBattousai]

She also gained the power of The Voice by accident when desperate to save her brother. Kinda cheapens the ability. And how does she even teach others if it's a natural ability and not learned?

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership.

[@ZatoichiBattousai]

@dhimankalita1690 You have not consumed much media in your lifetime? From a storytelling perspective, this show was full of plot holes and disrespect for the source material.

[@therealpils]

@@dhimankalita1690 bot

[@zenwave5272]

Yes! This annoyed the hell out of me - that it just naturally came to a teenage girl panicking about her endangered brother - instead of purposefully evolving from centuries of Prana Bindu training amongst the Bene Gesserit. This lazy-ass writing really delegitimizes the series.

[@toknowwhyuneed3593]

@@dhimankalita1690 Children are allowed to like bad media, but you should ask your parents before you post online.

[@twentywordsorlessYT]

"Warner Bros. didn't like--" God, it's always Warner, isn't it? I'm amazed that they didn't cave in and write this show off for tax reasons.

[@OstrichSoup]

I didn't know that it was originally being directed by Denis Villeneuve and now I'm retroactively dissapointed at how mind blowing it could've actually been, damn

[@julius_themadhatter]

I think he was only meant to direct the pilot episode and be a producer for the rest of the series

[@Snowytiger000]

Its a good thing he didn't taint his name with this garbage lol, dune 3 is all his

[@KillahMate]

@@julius_themadhatter Pilot episode directors in TV are a big deal, to the extent that big productions often bring in movie directors to handle the pilot (or if a movie director is producing the show they'll commonly direct the pilot) - the pilot is the opportunity to define the cinematic language of the show, make huge amounts of decisions that will then be followed by episode directors throughout the rest of the show's run. It's often said that film is a director's medium and TV is a writer's medium, but to the extent that directors _do_ influence a TV show it's the pilot director that influences it the most.

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership

[@CrakaBakBlak]

​@@dhimankalita1690he's just chatting because he has lips.

[@lfsantacruz8703]

10/10 would absolutely listen to you explain Dune lore for hours. Ngl.

[@jamesknapp64]

FSN explains things 11/10

[@missdowns]

So do I. I hope he does it, but maybe do it in chapters.

[@rooplespooples]

FSN going through the Butlerian Jihad?????? YES!

[@telson1583]

Alt shift ninja

[@abiade9614]

Same. An amazing story teller.

[@drey--]

Yeah the younger characters talked and acted too much like modern day characters, very differently from Paul in the movies. They are supposed to feel kinda alien to us, a different humanity with a very different culture, idk

[@quakethedoombringer]

That's my issue as well. People are supposed to sound like characters from a Shakespeare novel, not young adults living in the 2010s to 2020s, though to be fair some characters also sound rather "modern" in the films as well

[@VeronikaCerna-hm6rw]

I don't have much knowledge about Dune and i liked it, but when valya went bitchy on the emperor even i was like "she would not do that". Why the hell would you uncover like that, no matter how effed your enemy seems to be. The do-what-i-say voice also felt kinda cringe, it just didn't sound right. My dumb ass was the right audience for the over explaining though, i didn't even realize valya and tula were actually blood related until now.

[@TheXtrafresh]

21:13 "Dune for Dummies" You just gave the best possible description of the entire collecrion of the Brian-Anderson books. Thank you for that.

[@Jack-sy8mr]

Perfectly cast actors in perfectly recreated sets...standing around and reading the lore and character bios to the audience is apparently how you make an adaptation, according to Dune Prophecy, Percy Jackson and Netflix’s last airbender 🙄

[@Papa-Truck-Kun]

"Perfectly cast" for PJO??? Yeah no lmao

[@FelisImpurrator]

​@@Papa-Truck-Kun[checks comment history] radicalized conservative, it's racebait, yawn

[@mariannestrgzr9374]

What do you mean perfectly recreated sets for PJO... Camp half-blood wasn't much like the books :(

[@Chibbykins]

​@@Papa-Truck-Kun what's your problem with the PJO cast?

[@real_nameforgotten]

@@Papa-Truck-Kun who wasnt perfectly cast besides Hades?

[@reviewsbyjacob9350]

The worst parts of 'Game of Thrones' meets the worst parts of Disney 'Star Wars.'

[@OliPeters2003]

Oh get over yourself! 😂😂

[@declanjones8888]

​@@OliPeters2003 The only people who need to get over themselves are the ones that defend this drivel.

[@corieisblondeninja]

Not even close

[@Kenspiracy664]

That's a bit rough.

[@0giraffe0]

There's good parts of Disney Star Wars?

[@SerenitySong6]

When you said a lot of people watched it, I was surprised because I haven't heard literally anybody talking about it.

[@deisophiagaming8216]

Yep no marketing at all, i stumbled on this show by mistake and immediately began to watch. Thats not the only issue with the text such as complaining about the info dumping and audiences are smarter than this but he himself in his video does a massive lore explanation at the start because... Well ...people dont know Dune lore! Plus all the inaccuracies such as Game of Thrones being based on Dune when it was based in European history. I don't disagree with some of the conclusions in the video but the analysis and self reflection in this video is very poor.

[@Caspeaon]

yeah same I honestly forgot this show existed until i saw this video pop up in my recommended lol.

[@MrBazBake]

It's like Rings of Power. All anyone talks about is it losing viewers, no one talks about it having the most viewers and beating House of the Dragon head-to-head. And no one talks about House of the Dragon losing the same percentage of viewers. Entertainment journalism is about narratives and clicks. House of the Dragon is too good to talk about it being second place to Rings of Power, so they pretend Rings of Power "failed" by having a larger audience.

[@Amphibax]

The only reason I knew that show existed was some youtubers made videos about it

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership.

[@leopereira4718]

This is the official petition for Ninja to make an entire video explaining Dune lore

[@Kapsyloffer]

Brian Herbert and his consequences has been a disaster for the Dune saga.

[@DylanisHere04]

What is with this new trend of shows just having the entire plot explained within the dialogue? I get exposition but when every line is just literally describing what is happening on screen it gets to be absurd. If these studios want to recreate the success of GoT, they should try and remember the early seasons had immaculate dialogue.

[@SecretMagician]

Studios apparently want to cater to the "second screen audience " who are watching this while doing something else, like checking their phones or cooking. They constantly have the characters state their motivations and have constant exposition dumps. It's an unfortunate symptom of having people with multiple sources of stimulation and basically talking down to the audience instead of smart writing with background and subtle detail like most shows used to.

[@FelisImpurrator]

​@@SecretMagicianThat's just telenovela writing, but it works for telenovelas because they don't try to adapt some extensive universe with deep lore.

[@YourBlackLocal]

@@FelisImpurratorUnfortunately it does work for shows. Because most viewers are on their phone or talking throughout.

[@Elora445]

@@SecretMagician This reason just make me shake my head. I'm someone who regularly read or game while I watch or listen to a video. I still prefer there not to be huge exposition dumps and such. If one cannot do something and still understand what's going on, then one shouldn't watch or listen to a series or films while doing something. Then one deserves to miss something.

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@YourBlackLocal If something is intriguing and good enough, people won't be on their phones or talking through it!

[@machodgdon]

A new Space Ninja video, just as the Dune Prophecy foretold

[@friendlyspaceninja]

Ninja Al Gaib

[@jamesknapp64]

As the Profacy foretold I will watch

[@liamphibia]

​@@friendlyspaceninja😂😂😂

[@mazimadu]

It is written

[@zachryder3150]

@@friendlyspaceninja As written!

[@petranavratilova5883]

Is "second screen friendly" term did not arive to your orbit yet? It is apparently new demand of studio boses for shows to by understandable even while paying half attention. Writers dont think we are dumb. They think we are watching the show, watching youtube and shoping at the same time.

[@manderly33]

That makes a lot of sense. There are so many articles out there about how crap everyone’s attention span is.

[@m3ntyb]

This is it, we need essayists to start covering this in droves so we can demand better, because the issue will only be compounded if they make shows so boring people HAVE to get on their phones to cope. They need to be reminded that viewers who glue themselves to the screen still exist and will continue to complain about lack of satisfaction. I was wondering why shows stopped having characters and side characters do things in the background, or have wide shots, or let actors emote more naturally, and I thought it was to save on set dressing and overtime, but it's probably this dumb reason of thinking no one is actually paying attention.

[@ishathakor]

@@m3ntyb that plus we need to just stop watching second screen shows and honestly start cancelling streaming subscriptions. hit em where it hurts (the profits)

[@lja530]

@@m3ntyb Agreed. I admit that I usually check out other stuff when I watch anything online, thereby enjoying it more like a radio play. HOWEVER, when something is actually good I give it my full attention. So, maybe a chicken and egg problem.

[@noonoolink6822]

Tbh I think this is a symptom of the problem and not the cause. Idk about yall but I'll put on Stargate Sg-1 or Xena when I'm trying to do laundry and next things I know I'm a season and a half in and not a single piece of clothing is folded. Things arnt written to be entrtaing so you need other stimulus so you can focus on the lack luster TV they are feeding you. Edit i can with Sg-1 but that's only because I have seen that show so many times I've memorized most episodes dialog. But like older shows or movies I haven't seen in a long time.

[@hassansuboh1891]

For such a disciplined sisterhood, they sure were melodramatic and catty in the show. So much overexplanation. So much cliche and flashy fight scenes. The club and sex scenes were obnoxious.

[@Evelyn_Okay]

Perfect example of "I'm doing this for a paycheck" vs "I'm doing this bc my passion for it compells me to."

[@Crowbars2]

Whaaat?! Denis Villeneuve was going to produce this show and direct the pilot?! Jon Spaihts, co-writer of Dune and Dune: Part Two was going to write the scripts? With Narcos co-writer Dana Calvo as showrunner? But then executive meddling from Warner Bros. basically destroyed it and gave us the trash fire we got as Dune Prophecy? When will these people learn? Studio meddling has almost never made a film better, and nowhere is this more obvious than with top directors like Denis Villeneueve, or Orson Welles. The original cut of _'The Magnificent Ambersons',_ a follow-up to Citizen Kane was actually considered to be _better_ than Citizen Kane, until studio meddling came along and completely ruined it.

[@SecretMagician]

The ONLY good time I can remember on short notice is the original version of Toy Story, where Woody was a complete jerk to the other toys even before Buzz showed up. But, you're right anyway, it never works out.

[@RogueAstro85]

​@@SecretMagicianThe creatives at Pixar also wanted to change Woody's character though. Execs at Disney agreed and allowed them to rewrite the script and go in the new direction. It wasn't an example of executive meddling, it was an example of execs allowing the creative team to work through their process and trusting them instead of giving them unreasonable deadlines. Rewrites are pretty unheard of in animated movies nowadays and usually they're barely rendered a couple weeks before release. Execs now force animation creative teams to have a fully formed plan at the beginning and to not deviate until it's finished.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Almost as if the executive class adds no value to creative industries.

[@TimoCruz177]

it is even crazier that they replaced all those top tier creatives with 3 people that were in involved in shit like the flash tv show, season 3 of westworld and random episodes of outlander (when outlander got horrible btw)

[@SecretMagician]

@TimoCruz177 they were easier to control.

[@neilhannan7525]

Dune Prohecy a show that wants to be Game of Thrones I feel burned out because it's like when writers are doing a fantasy series the executives wants a Game of Thrones but without understanding why it's doesn't work 😢

[@asarishepard8171]

Someone said got has ruined modern media and I have to agree😂

[@GrouchyC794]

You do realise the original dune is like game of thrones right? They had spice orgies and Paul had no friends because of assassins

[@solarydays]

every publisher now wants their tv shows to be game of thrones. they completely executed the scifi and fantasy genre on screen

[@5aiv.]

no? dune as a series, the novels, all source material is quite literally a space themed Game of Thrones. you see an emphasis on politics and assume game of thrones because it's iconic

[@meifennellysieu7510]

@@5aiv. This could just be me making an argument based in semantics, but the Dune book series was written between 1965 and 1985. Meanwhile, George R. R. Martin (author of the books that were adapted into Game of Thrones) was writing his series in the late 90s and early 2000s. If we're assuming that one had to have informed the other, it's far more likely that Dune informed George R. R. Martin, rather than the other way around.

[@caitmonroe9349]

25:38 idk, having sex then wanting to pillow-talk about Dune lore is kinda relatable

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership.

[@hakuhyo174]

⁠@@dhimankalita1690 Viewership number is high because it’s riding on back of Dune part 2, not on its own merit. Its RT and IMDB score are pretty much in “meh” territory and word of mouth is pretty bad… like no one other than hardcore fans are even bothered to talk abt it.

[@Viteaification]

​@@hakuhyo174 that troll is copy pasting in all the comments 😂

[@ladieh8898]

if u gotta flex about having sex, ure not having much sex.

[@IntrusiveThot]

@caitmonroe9349 getting distracted by nerd shit while in bed is a wholesome classic

[@BonanzaRoad]

Another problem with this series set 10,000 years before the events of Dune is that there has been no apparent social or technological advancement in all those years.

[@TheHatManCole]

In all fairness much of the Canon doesn't either. Humans after the Butlerian Jihad tend not to rely so much on technology as they do on human development. If you're being very literal, I think that Frank Herbert concerned himself about so many aspects of human society that the advancement of technology and human reaction it is not something he felt was important enough to add, although this still makes sense through the fourth book because the God Emperor wanted to haul in the reigns of humanity.

[@GarbageNostradamus]

That irked me too. That's some horrific stagnation. Unless the idea is that civilization peaked in tech advancement since they wont use AI due to the "thinking machine" war and genocide.

[@rebeccabarton7745]

Thats much more of a book problem though

[@jaredloveys9617]

​@veronicalovepeltier8606 that's literally the point for the dune books ffs 😂 it's all about the species stagnating and dying which is why they made Paul atreides to stop that. Maybe read or do some research before making stupid comments

[@BonanzaRoad]

@@jaredloveys9617 hey you pompous ass thanks for the information. Everyone hasn’t read all of the books… And all we can compare is a TV series with a motion picture. Chill out, brother.

[@kingdompig1]

The world need a 3 hour video of you going deep on Dune lore and this show

[@IsaVarg]

With the insane lore that exists for Dune, I just don’t understand how they made it so incredibly boring…

[@shanicek5188]

Right 😭

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership.

[@michellemunkhtulga4995]

@@dhimankalita1690You’ve replied this on every comment. I’ve never seen Dune prophecy so I’d like to hear why you think he’s wrong.

[@PasserMontanus]

Because lore is not story.

[@ptonpc]

@@michellemunkhtulga4995 It doesn't have any videos or playlists on its channel. Yep, it's copy pasting the same comment every time. It doesn't acknowledge replies. It isn't behaving like a real person.

[@teacupolous]

That groovy ass song in the beginning gets me every time.

[@AC-hj9tv]

I dance every time

[@SecretMagician]

It's a pretty catchy track. FSN is pretty good at making music.

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership

[@AC-hj9tv]

@dhimankalita1690 nah you're an L person

[@anais6654]

His songs are so good if you like chill electro sound

[@cuppajoewithjoe2148]

Villeneuve's Dune worked so well because it trusted the audience to keep up. It didn't weigh itself down with needless explanations of what was going on. It committed to the universe it existed in, and gave the audience the context it needed through everything that was going on. Prophecy is literally the exact opposite.

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership.

[@cherika_22]

I think it's worse somehow whe a show/movie xou have been hyped up to watch ends up dissapointing you than being outright completely bad. It kinda hurts more in a way

[@mintysquinty]

I thought something was wrong with me when I fell asleep during the first episode. Turns out I saved myself some time

[@patwalsh1045]

this shows fatal flaw was that it is set 10000 yrs before dune but acts as if they know and are setting up the events that will happen in dune or like those are relevant events, they dont have any goals or aspirations of their own, they are working backwards on a maze that they know will connect and thats just not how compelling characters act or how history works

[@judigemini178]

what kind of pretentious comment is this, the whole plot is about the key players deliberately working to create that future, in a very obvious and intentional way... maybe just stick to the chala whoever movies

[@Prototype-357]

That's just the Disney Star Wars process of making new content for an existing IP.

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership.

[@JackdotC]

That is litterally the Benigesrats Job. Plotting stuff that won't pay off for 1000 years is something they do all the time

[@rilasolo113]

@@judigemini178it’s still entirely unbelievable that the Corrinos/Atreides/Harkonnens and even the Bene Gesserit themselves are in exactly the same position 10000 years before as they are in Dune itself. It’s not realistic. Yes, the Corrino name was on the throne, but how are we supposed to believe they’re in exactly the same situation the Corrinos of Dune find themselves in? Plus the BG basically go in one generation from a random order that are kinda important kinda not - to the full fledged order of Dune? No, that took 10000 years in canon. Wtf. It’s the same as ANH being replicated in TFA but even worse bc at least they’re set twenty years apart and it’s more believable similar troubles and hopes could happen to two characters in the save of twenty years.

[@randeli7785]

Legitimately forgot this came out.

[@rickya7125]

I didn't even know it existed

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership

[@damaramu.]

@@dhimankalita1690 Are you okay dude? you replying to half the comments in this video with the same comment. Maybe you should take a break?

[@bms8723]

@@damaramu.he’s right tho 🤷‍♂️but posting it multiple times is weird

[@danielc9595]

You missed nothing. It’s a WB teen drama

[@lackingmyface]

The fact Bene Gesserit work their power secretly behind everything and yet here we are, knowing everything about Bene Gesserit...

[@vitalinanuzhnaya]

Well, that was the point. Kind of…

[@dav552]

It was that dam Latos3 if you ask me

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership.

[@Remiddi]

I mean…the show is about them so obviously we as the audience would know. How is this a take?

[@therealpils]

​@@dhimankalita1690 it's flat. it's boring. it's NOT DUNE.

[@Yeotmeogeo]

Honestly, by the end of it. Tula, while hugging desmond, might aswell have said "I am your mother".

[@janellelives5158]

Yep

[@Happymali10]

4:09 One day there will be a show that frustrates Ninja so much that he just makes a 2-minute video saying it was really painfully bad and then it's just 58 minutes of blackscreen/end card loop so it's not suspicious from the thumbnail My money is on the 2027 Emily in Paris-Season.

[@Epsilon.17]

“Dune for dummies” what a fitting title for the show

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership.😊

[@retrohanska4441]

I personally love Villeneuve's works like Dune and Sicario due to how little he explains to audience. Just pure show don't tell. But sadly I know why his methods aren't popular. I once asked my buddies if anyone had seen dune and the only guy in the group who had thought it was the most boring movie he had watched because for most of the time from his perspective nothing was happening and he was feeling like he was expected to have read the books before watching the movie. Zero ability pick up the details from the movie without mama bird vomiting them into his mouth. This series might as well been dedicated for him.

[@Axterix13]

It is partially that, while Villeneuve is good at many things, action scenes aren't one of them. He's good at slow, not fast. So the bits that could hook people that might otherwise be a bit bored aren't there. It's an issue Blade Runner 2049 had as well.

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership

[@per-c8229]

We gave Hollywood so much flag for dumming things down but forget to see why they feel that they have to, people only supporting dump movies or the 20th sequel just cause it have pew pew thingies, and I sadly have to include myself, while I love smart or introspective movies I hardly ever go to see them in theaters cause is very expensive. I did saw Dune P1 & 2 in theaters tho. Also this is not a jab at dumb movies either, I forcking loved Abigail and the blackening I'm not above it, it just can't be all there is.

[@DeadKraken]

Disney slop has gotten people too much used to shutting down their brains when they're watching something fr. I watched the first Dune movie with 0 knowledge of its universe, beside some vague notions, and had no problems understanding what I was looking at. By the end of it I was intrigued, not bored, and I repeat, I didn't know sh1t about anything before watching. Tons of the best Sci-Fi movies ever made don't explicitly explain much, and I was already used to interpret subtext in media, so that was a walk in the park for me. Rather than bending the whole art form to cater to people that just want to mindlessly scroll Temu and TikTok while watching a movie, I think it'd be better to get them used to put the fkn phone down and pay attention. Dumbing down art is just lame AF.

[@janusprime5693]

​@@Axterix13nonsense. The shootout scene leaving El Paso in Sicario was phenomenal. So was the raid on the Atreides, the duel between Paul and Jamis aswell as the duel with Feyd in Dune

[@Alexander-kc8oq]

It started off pretty good for me and then it just kinda slowly fizzled out into mediocrity. It’s not exactly insult-to-my-intelligence-bad. It’s more like not-nearly-as-good-as-it-thinks-it is-bad.

[@jayboo22]

spot-on comment. that's exactly how I felt about it

[@OliPeters2003]

Yeah, I kinda just enjoyed it for what it was. I guess I didn’t really have any expectations so I thought it was pretty good. 😂😂 Personally I just want to see some amazing adaptations of the other mainline books in the series and whatever else comes out is just a bonus!

[@Rootiga]

I was interested, immediately disappointed. Got more interested on the second episode, but then the 3rd came and I stopped watching. So bad... Especially after The Penguin, this was really awful edit: Also can't stand that everyone is bri'ish. Such annoying accents

[@Caspeaon]

thats arguably worse lol. The worst shows are the unaware bad shows, usually with directors who cant even comprehend the fact that they aren't good show runners and blame their audiences, usually using some sort of a combination of -ist or -phobic words to talk down to the people that didn't immediately rate their garbage show a perfect 10/10. Nothing is more infuriating to me than people who cant take accountability for their own mistakes and is why everything Disney has been putting out for the last decade has been mediocre at best, with a few exceptions.

[@OliPeters2003]

@@Caspeaon People are judging a series for being slow paced and mediocre on the FIRST SEASON. If The Walking Dead came out today, people would find it boring. If the first season of GoT came out today, people would find it boring, if the first season of Breaking Bad came out today, people would find it boring. It's unfair to compare a seed to a fully grown tree.

[@jayjeckel]

8:30 "Brian's books aren't canon" -- True Dune fan credentials confirmed. This show being inspired by Brian's fanfiction was all the information I needed to skip this series.

[@brandonashe1763]

And now Netflix wants character to explain EXACTLY what they’re doing for people that are passively watching. TV is so cooked and its getting real depressing

[@JustBenUnofficial]

As a massive Dune fan, I didn’t even watch this show. I think it’s because we’ve all been burnt out by Brain’s books to the point where if Frank didn’t write the source materiel, none of us care anymore.

[@CatBuddha]

I read the first one of the Bri & Kev novels. I honestly couldn’t tell who was more stupid-the machines or the humans. Plus all the canon wrecking. Not everything needs a prequel, but the prequel shouldn’t break canon or the brains of the viewers.

[@28pinkdancer]

without ever reading brian's work, i've always felt that he basically just wrote glorified fanfiction and never touched it. this show coming out really solidified those opinions into stone

[@eatatjoe]

I am so tired of everyone copying Game of Thrones and by extension, I hate that the Bene Gesserit have been stripped to “man bad” archetypes, because *THEY’RE TOO COOL FOR THAT.*

[@RandomPerson-tz7wk]

They're the og of "man bad" troope. The og 6 book all happen because of the bene planing until one of them go against the order giving birth to a male (paul) and her sister (a abomination). Literally most of the men in the story are pawn of fate or puppet put there for a specific purpose (emperors and most of the clan leader).

[@NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi]

Hell, the bene gesseerit in Frank's 6 books create amazing men. Miles Teg engineered, birthed, and trained to be the greatest military leader ever and a perfect human male counterpart to a Reverend Mother without tripping into the dangerous territory of creating another Kwizat Hadirach and thus The Tyrant

[@BurghezulDjentilom]

@@RandomPerson-tz7wk way to understand nothing from the books

[@Kenspiracy664]

Yeh I get 0 "man bad" from the Dune books or the movies. Maybe "mankind bad". Also got minimal "man bad" from this show either. Society of women in a world ruled by men is inevitably going to clash with men.

[@RandomPerson-tz7wk]

@BurghezulDjentilom I do, but he doesn't. Bene in the show might be poorly written. But the "men bad" is not in the show. They gave context why each men are "bad" and it make sense in the story. For example, the emperor. This is during the time of relatively peace. There was no major conflict before the show. Anything conflict was in distant past. The current and previous emperor grew up shelter and under the sister control. So it make sense why he needs affirmation from other people (wife/mistress) and his insecure flaw. It was intentional.

[@breakjaws101]

The Bene Gesserit didn’t use the Missionary Protetiva on the Fremen people tens of thousands of years ago, the fremen weren’t even called the fremen at this time, and they hadn’t even come to Arakis yet either. The Bene Gesserit have only been using the Missionary Protectiva on Arakis for at most 1000 years. The Zensuni people only got too Arakis about 1500-2000 years before the time of Paul Atreides

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership.

[@catalyst385]

THANK YOU! My wife and I were so frustrated with this show, and you’re the first person I’ve seen do a good job of communicating what was so wrong with it. Two of the absolute worst scenes for me were the group channeling sesh where they all moaned and drew circles, and the like digital surgery scene where Tula tries to “isolate the virus” or whatever. God it looked so good, but it was so boring and dumb.

[@robinchirps1775]

Also the big issue for me is trying to make the Bene Gesserit into…cool awesome girlbosses? They ARE cool, but the Bene Gesserit are not GOOD PEOPLE? They literally run a breeding program, like hello? Such girlpower!!!

[@Viteaification]

gaslight, gatekeep, genetically modify

[@quakethedoombringer]

I feel like people who unironically looks up to the Bene Gesserit are not that different from people who look up to Gordon Gecko or Leo from Wolf of Wall street. Absolutely terrible, immoral people who are adored because of their stage presence

[@merrygames9499]

It's actually really painful watching movies or series with friends or family, because a lot if not most of them just... look away from the screen for a while. Or talk during important scenes. Or leave to grab something and don't ask to pause it. My personal opinion is that missing even a few seconds of a show means you WILL miss something significant. Maybe it seems small- A short line of dialogue, the discreet look the characters sent each other, the way they're positioned on screen- but it's not. Those, for me, can really shape the way i see a character or a scene, the tiny details that can completely change how i perceive something. But a lot of people apparently think that as long as you broadly get the main events, you'll be fine. And then i ask them what they thought of a specific theme, and they tell me they didn't even notice it. I bring up a character trait that i found intriguing, and they're confused- Because they didn't pay attention. I hate that shows tend to look down on viewers nowadays, and other commenters have talked about the stupid idea that for producers, shows have to be "watchable even if you're doing something else at the same time" . But it saddens me to point out... spectators' behaviours do influence what hollywood releases. And well, spectators are taking their attentions away from media they're watching, so Hollywood adapts to that. This is *not* the spectators' fault as individuals. This is a systemic problem that Hollywood should NOT be feeding into, but they're sadly after the money before everything else. Thus we witness a downward spiral of dialogue and writing quality, to which we are losing shows that could have been good, or even great. I just think it's really sad, and it does give me hopes that there are entire communities out there who do realise that there's a problem, but it doesn't seem to me like that's the majority. EDIT: the "looking away from the screen" is also accompanied by "i don't directly understands what this scene means so this is complete nonsense." but that comes mostly from the older peep

[@HO-vt5pk]

i agree 100%. one of the biggest reasons why The Wire is my favorite show is because of the small details. The Wire isn’t a show that’s gonna do something just to catch your attention, but rather if you give it your attention you will be rewarded.

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership.

[@nbucwa6621]

Yup. I stopped watching shows with my brother for that reason. But luckily I have neices and nephews who understand the NO PHONES rule and my mom is too old-school to be on her phone so I still have family to watch with.

[@gregpenismith1248]

I bet you people are insufferable to deal with. Absolute, high-maintenance control freaks.

[@JohnTheDoctor]

I love it when you talk more about the insanity that is dune. Do a dune series video. Wether it's 12 minutes for 4 hours I'll watch it. I love dune, you love dune. Dude we need more dune. Give us that tasty dune lore.

[@flisivdifer]

You nailed it. As a huge dune fan, the characters just explaining what they are doing and why is like, the absolute opposite of dune. Its a book series full of nuance and subtlety, no one says what they want or why. Also, God Emperor should be read by everyone because i said so

[@theobservarator6424]

Technically they do say what they want and why, but just as internal monolog.

[@flisivdifer]

@theobservarator6424 True, but outwardly they still behave in a way to manipulate their own agendas without explaining to the theoretical audience. Like the Tleilaxu plan for the Golahs, you're left on your own to connect their genetic memory breakthroughs to what they figured out about Duncan. It is explicitly stated much later that this is the true power of the Tleilaxu tanks, but you don't get a run down of their plan from the beginning

[@laurencemurray5584]

It's not that the writers dumb down the dialogue to suit the audience, it's that the writers are unable to write anything other than dumb dialogue.

[@michellecgb]

I could listen to you talk about Dune lore for hours. Please consider a yap session video nerding out about Dune.

[@SionaIsTired]

fun fact no one asked for: my name (siona) is from dune! my dad was an og fanboy

[@WaltDevil060]

That's actually a really beautiful and unique idea for a name. Kudos to your dad!

[@JonoSSD]

Watched the first episode and immediately dropped, knew there it'd be a stinker. Someone in the comments said they're tired of TV series that spend their entire runtime talking down to the audience, but I'd go further: I'm tired of the entertainment industry as a whole talking down to its audience. I'm tired of everything being a franchise, a remake, a reboot, an extended universe. Sure, make a Dune series, but when there's a story to tell, not because the movie is good and the owner wants to keep printing money by slapping its name everywhere else. I used to like nostalgia. Now I'm just tired of it and want new stuff. Btw, Severance is back, don't know if the second season is as good as the first one, but I'll see as soon as I have the time. And Castlevania Nocturne's second season also dropped this week, that one I've already watched and it's a freaking _BANGER_

[@nicktw8688]

Damn. I’ll just rewatch the Expanse again. Or, horror….read a real book. 😂

[@maizee369]

Nocturne season 2 rocks

[@adrianseanheidmann4559]

@@nicktw8688 not the same genrre, but, have you watched severance and silo? Severance is a solid 10/10 for me, silo at least 8/10. But yeah... the only chance to watch good sci-fi is a re-run of The Expanse.

[@martingonzalez3629]

Me and my best friend couldn't even finish the first episode.

[@KingOfMadCows]

I think basing it so much on Brian Herbert's stuff was definitely the biggest problem. One criticism I heard and completely agree with is that Frank expanded the universe while Brian shrunk it. For all the flaws Frank's later books had, he changed and grew the universe. He constantly added new ideas. Just having the same Houses from Dune be the main focus of a story that takes place 10,000 years in the past makes the universe feel so small. In Dune, the Atreides are portrayed as a rising power. Their House is old but they are only recently growing in power. A big theme in the book is about how quickly power can shift in the Imperium, and there is the strong implication that Houses rise and fall all the time. And you have the Bene Gesserit themselves manipulating the politics of the Imperium, raising up some and casting down others. Would it have really been that hard for them to come up with some new Houses or even new factions that are no longer part of the Imperium? The Houses that exist in Dune could be remnants or amalgamations of ancient Houses that no longer exist. They could deal with the period of time when humanity tried to expand before the creation of Navigators. They would shift from where only the bravest and most foolhardy are willing to explore since folding space risked death towards domination by the Guild, offering people safety and comfort in exchange for giving up control to the Guild's monopoly.

[@Darkprosper]

Agreed, that is probably my biggest issue with Brian Herbert's books. Well, perhaps second after how he clearly didn't understand one bit of the themes and goals of the 6 original books. But yeah, why do we always need Atreides and Harkonnen ? Why do we always need to attach everything to some pre-established character or faction ? It feels so lame. It strongly reminds me of Star Wars, and how good it can be when we get anything that isn't a secret Jedi survivor of Order 66 who is involved with the Skywalkers and/or Solos in some ways. This is fiction, try to have a little imagination !

[@dhimankalita1690]

L video Dune prophecy is top tier this video essay youtubers just have to hate everything to earn their bread and butter. The season was renewed and was in top of the ladder in terms of the viewership.

[@moman3w]

The dune universe on screen always feels much smaller on screen than in the books. The universe is so big and heavily populated. Could definitely implement more than just the 3 great houses

[@countdowntorevolution9986]

"Show, Don't tell" modern screenwriters have totally forgotten this absolutely fundamental rule of good writing.

[@merdufer]

Dune Part 2 Bene Gesserit: "Of course I did. Why else would it have happened?" Dune Prophecy Bene Gesserit: "Do you have five minutes? It's a long story."

[@IRLguy777]

A lot of people don't know this, but the HBO scifi show Travis Fimmel had a starring role in "Raised by Wolves" was cancelled abruptly due to the Discovery acquisition. Fimmel's character in Dune Prophecy is exactly the same as it was in Raised by Wolves. A coincidence? I think not. He was most likely given a deal by HBO to have a pseudo reprisal of his original role, just in a new show.

[@EvanSol919]

To be fair I don't think that writers want to exposite everything but that the executives are telling them to. There was an article I read where a Netflix executive said that their content was a "second screen" meaning that most people are on their phones and are only half paying attention to what's on their TVs.

[@mffmoniz2948]

It happens. My husband and kid will be watching something and I'll be sitting there but 50% watching it and 50% playing a game. Except... when it's a good movie. When it's a movie that grabs my attention, my phone ends up forgotten somewhere and I'm vibing with the story. If the movie is boring, yeahh, 50/50. And I hate when a movie/tv show over-explains what's happening on screen.

[@shanwyn]

"This is DUNE, not a f****ing soap opera!" I laughed out loud when you said that. No, not laughing about you, I think you just put in words what I tried to wrap my head around why I was so bored after watching the pilot I simply moved on. And it bothered me since I adored the Books and was like you. Is it the american audience who forces the writers and studios to do that BS, or is it really the skill of writers in the US these days?

[@FelisImpurrator]

I'm amazed that you had multiple guesses and neither of them even mentioned the executive class and its top down control of media, which is the real answer. These are the results of creative choices being hamstrung by the whims of execs and frankly written for their comprehension level.

[@Darkprosper]

From space opera to soap opera... so sad, and I don't even like opera !

[@Axterix13]

The funny thing about soap operas, though, is that they have to keep things happening. They don't spend time explaining everything. Heck, often times if they did slow down to explain things, it would hurt the show. So it isn't really fair to compare this show to a soap opera. It'd probably have been more interesting if they had gotten soap opera writers to do the script ;)

[@MyMy-mg5yv]

Sometimes it’s the executives who force the writers to dumb down their writing 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@shanwyn]

@ I'm not american and have no clue how Hollywood works, so forgive me not realizing about the executives. But that makes no sense.. why do executives fiddle with stories? the writers should know the source material and write a script, the execs are to finance the project. Or am I missing something? I don't let a plumber cook in a restaurant

[@iszuman]

Yeees… The 'DIALOGUE FOR DUMMIES' has been a real pain for the last few years. When I was watching Gladiator 2 recently I had the same feeling, and was utterly shocked when people gave it such high reviews, because the plot, dialogues, and everything else was tragic… Maybe people nowadays do need extra explaining, or forgot what quality looks like, and that's why they are satisfied with film/TV fast food equivalents.

[@DevastatorJr]

Prequels are usually terrible. There's a reason why the first Dune book starts where it does, it's because that's where the actual story starts, the background is just background. The Butlerian Jihad and origins of the Benegeserit are much more interesting as mysteries.

[@miadelaguila2611]

no serotonin boost like the first drop of that beat at the beginning of every video

[@Bogaloo1232]

Same here, I enjoy it sometimes more than the video itself (when it’s about something I don’t care about. Lol

[@AC-hj9tv]

Hell yea I get down to that

[@Alexander_Stern1]

One of my biggest problems with the show was the need to show the origins of things like the Voice and the Litany Against Fear (not literally, of course. They didn’t say it out loud, but you know it’s coming because fear is the literal “mind killer” in this thing). I’ve read all of Herbert’s original books, but not the ones written by his son with Kevin Anderson, so I don’t know if they got it from there, but I just don’t think it was necessary. Yes, we’re seeing the beginning of the Sisterhood as we later come to know it, but there can be SOME lore that predates the series! I don’t care where the things I like come from, to quote Patton Oswalt! I just like the things I like!

[@whom382]

I've read two of Brian's books. The first two Butlerian Jihad books. One problem is the origin of almost everything occurs during the short timeframe of the books. The worst part was that the Jihad was more based on Terminator than Dune. Ugh!

[@KingOfMadCows]

It's also kind of dumb how things developed so fast. All these things developed over hundreds of thousands of years. It doesn't make sense how Valya would suddenly be able to use the Voice just because she had been "working on it."

[@KennethLyVideography]

Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson are still pumping out their Dune books to this day. Tells you everything you need to know about those books.

[@username.exenotfound2943]

to extreme dune fans brian herbets stuff is crap, the butlerian jihad was made into your generic ai overlord thing which isnt what frank herbert intended it as

[@NobleRaider2747]

​@username.exenotfound2943it literally wasn't though even if ai was involved

[@marygracedipasupil4466]

In your making by this video but David Lynch who directed The Original Dune movie has passed away yesterday 🙏

[@IPrayToSappho]

@@feliziafenox1217 a polanski supporter

[@nicktw8688]

His flawed version of Dune is still a work of art. ❤

[@elleee-lv3lw]

@@nicktw8688he also wasn’t very happy with how the movie turned out. Also a big push from the producers to make it shorter and cheaper he initially wanted. Otherwise I think he would made a great version

[@MarsAnonymous]

Can I just note that I hate how since a few years, everyone's answer to the question "What palette should our show have?" is "orange and desaturated blue". Everywhere. All the time. You're lucky to get a red accent now and then.

[@queen.maria.1143]

I’m sorry, but even the esthetics and costumes felt off to me… It’s not Dune. And being Dune is not about copying Dennis, it’s about us feeling in the same universe and I definitely didn’t. Conversely, trying to make a history that happened 10 thousand years before Paul have a comparable level of technology, architecture, etc. is super bizarre to me. Stagnation plays a key role in Frank Herbert’s lore, but not like this.

[@Higesgirl]

It hurts my heart seeing Travis appear in projects where he's the highlight only for it to get canceled/paused -Rust/Raised by Wolves-. He's underrated in my opinion and I just want him to succeed. (I patiently wait for Black Sails to get its turn 🏴‍☠️)

[@reapersoul8506]

Ummm dune prophecy didn’t get canceled , unless you’re talking about a different show

[@ana-xx6tn]

I think he need to be a little more versatile with his role , after vikings , almost all of them have the same personaltiy or were really similar to one another

[@solarydays]

what's even more annoying is they probably looked at his character in Raised by Wolves and said we want that character with that actor... and the queen from the witcher ..just make it a mashup of everything else guys, sure the audience will resonate with that??

[@teddydavis5383]

I still will be, and forever will be, furious they canceled Raised by Wolves. Such an incredible unique story that left off on cliff hanger.

[@mindfreak9674]

​@@ana-xx6tn Thats why people like him. It seems to be his normal personality. He's so good in black snow its ridiculous.

[@hridi_]

Travis Fimmel and Charlie Hunnam are like the bad luck charms. After their tv series success, everything they touched, turned into something bad or bland.

[@spiekd]

Sorry , Travis Fimmel is not bad luck .His aussie shows are doing really well .Boy swallows universe and Black Snow were both well received .

[@hridi_]

@@spiekd i wasn't aware of that. hunnam also got few successful roles but always failed as lead roles

[@macrograms]

@@spiekd - I'm guessing the O.P. refers to Travis Fimmel in Raised by Wolves and as the anti-hygienic origin story for this series' Sardaukar. Travis Fimmel is - I assume - portraying Desmond Hart/konnen which is a spoiler if they bother with another season. It's his affinity for accepting poorly written roles in shows that could be magnificent but are not - that is the issue I would suppose.

[@MercifulEmma]

@@macrograms If you know anything about Travis Fimmel he loves acting he just gets it done and enjoys what he does. I am not sure he particularly cares if a script is good or not.

[@quakethedoombringer]

Also Matt Smith. Dude really needs to fire his agent

[@thixiemattel]

dialogue not being an expression or character but rather literally just exposition is a dealbreaker in media for me. it’s the one thing I keep making sure im upholding in my writing too.

[@Nightcall.]

I’m so tired of this trend of shows that are light on story expanding 3 episodes into 8 by padding with constant, meaningless dialogue

[@InfamousStar1]

This show reminded me of if Dune met the Vampire Diaries. Overall, it was a CW-level show, with horrible dialogue; and, I felt nothing for the characters, especially the insufferable princess and her half-brother. No wonder Denis left the project after being an Executive Producer in the early stages - he knew he didn’t want to be near this 💩, and have it tarnish his glorious films and reputation.

[@elleee-lv3lw]

Right? Oh the princess, absolutely insufferable to watch. Had to skip skip skip

[@LBOZO-u5u]

The production problems on this show is the perfect of why Warner Bros. is struggling which is they don’t respect their directors and writers and meddle in the creative process all the time leading to a worse product.

[@amanshukla6122]

People in India were kinda hyped about the show. But it had less to do with the show and more to do with the involvement of Tabu, a very talented actress who plays Queen Francesca.

[@savvi3128]

Indian actors really need to stop filling in diversity roles in big budgeted Hollywood productions. Apart from late Irrfan Khan of course, he was a such a gem and was in some great non Indian movies.

[@amanshukla6122]

@savvi3128 Tabu was in Life of Pi and The Namesake before Dune Prophecy but yeah I agree. Roles like this will only make them look bad to an international audience. Alia Bhatt in Heart of Stone and especially Dhanush in The Gray Man drive me the most insane knowing what they r capable of as actors.

[@Iron-Bridge]

Indian movie watching public tend to be simple minded sheep 🐏🐑. Easy to sway as long as any one of their local stars gets a tiny bone thrown their way from a Hollywood production.

[@Saru5000]

There's a weird need in these shows to create an origin story for every tiny detail of the property.

[@tamagothchic]

The very first trailer showed that this show fundamentally did not understand or care about ANY genuine Dune lore or cannon whatsoever. They tried to mash together the ancient founding of the Bene Gesserit, the aftermath of the Butlerian Jihan and the arrival on Dune. All of which are thousands of years apart in the books. And that was way before they started making random idiotic crap up lmao. Denis Villeneuve simplified, insulted and ignored the Bene Gesserit plot and characters, so a show capitalizing on the success of his films focused on them was more likely than not immediately doomed to failure.

[@tycarne7850]

Not sure why anyone thought this would be good when it was based on the shitty fan-fiction books written by the idiot son, which were absolute dogshit.

[@igc8906]

"The politics of game of thrones are largely inspired by dune"...I don't think that's entirely true. While dune is an influence, the politics of game of thrones is largely based on real life history, such as the war of the roses, where the house of York fought house Lancaster for the English throne, and the 7 kingdoms period of anglo saxon Britain.

[@ArchibaldNorman-vl5ci]

Wonderful video! I always enjoy your work. Great job!

[@maryalexrios4353]

Not surprised the studio stepped in and ruined what could have been something great like they always do. Karma 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@Mrtablespoon.]

I was so tapped in when you were explaining the lore behind the bene gesserit, i almost forgot you were talking about a bad show💔 but fr should i watch dune? Ts sounds like Peak

[@BattleMatt]

She produced and wrote episodes of Westworld season 3 is all I needed to know...

[@BooksRebound]

27:00 the thing is, WE got it. But media literacy is in its death throes and many people dont get it. That being said, I dont think the solution is to dumb content down, it should be to train people to think more critically and consider subtext... But also execs have the concept of "second screen" which is the assumption people will be watching while on their phones and the story cant lose people, so lets over explain it for those people only half paying attention. Sad tbh.

[@ronel7836]

Heres the thing right, you've heard the things of "media ileteracy is dead" or attention spans are dwindling" some shit like that. So when execs try to make shows for the "less illiterat" people, the show or movie flops and dosent get the best of ratings. So, is it the fact that we are exaggerating the less illiterate to be the majority or is it something else? And btw I'm not trying to say that the studies on attention spans are false or anything like that

[@FelisImpurrator]

Train people to think critically? Good luck with that, especially considering most of these shows are American and American politics this year is incredibly hostile to the concept of critical thinking.

[@BooksRebound]

@FelisImpurrator Agreed. But just because the solution isn't likely doesn't mean it's not the right direction. Or do you think we should dumb everything down to the lowest common denominator? Education is important. Too bad they're trying to gut the dept of education

[@FelisImpurrator]

@BooksRebound Well, yes, that was my point: Good luck with that. Corporations and conservatives don't give a crap what the "right thing" is, they'll probably do the worst thing for the wrong goals, to make life worse for everyone except a tiny handful. On purpose. All I'm saying is, I was always a fan of the green Mario brother...

[@iPyroNigma]

The real problem is... the execs are both right and wrong. Dune Prophecy was so mid it was a perfect second screen watch, a lazy sunday binge, which is why it got such high ratings. Had it been a better more complex show, in our internet/social media area would have had similar results due to online debating, postings and comments. I literally forgot the show existed halfway watching and only just remembered it happened and I haven't finished it.

[@SuzaanAhmed-v2t]

Please make a 6 hour video explaining in depth the lore of all the first 6 books. Like the lore explanation video essays that come out by many channels. It would be amazing and it would be great to listen to in the background while doing other work.

[@MaraWynne]

Dune is one of my autistic special interests and even I saw the trailer for this show went "Oh its the Dune equivalent of Rings of Power" and then promptly forgot it existed.

[@Shwizzynet]

I remember hearing something about Netflix execs requiring characters to explain out loud what is happening at all times because they expect people to have it on in the background while doing other things and want to retain viewer attention when they’re not actually viewing. Wouldn’t be surprised if Max has implemented similar exposition mandates

[@jayplay8140]

Couldn't even finish episode 1, it felt like watching a CW take on Dune

[@YanalFanio]

I enjoyed watching this video! Your hard work really pays off.

[@crablord7934]

The appreciation I get from the movies after the series aired increased even more. Denis' willingness and feeling comfortable to just let the imagery and actors' performance tell you the story without expository dialogue really feels good.

[@kkelseym]

I forgot I was watching a tv show review. I was so invested in your recap of the lore of the series.

[@likelovehahawow]

28:38 The lack of subtext is pretty on brand for something inspired by Brian Herbert’s work. I tried reading chapter house dune years ago and made it about 4 chapters in before encountering a long expository section in which he describes a character (Fenrick) planning an assassination. The details involved using a thin string to put drops of poison over a character in his sleep and carefully drip them into his mouth and how this way of sneaking past all the safeguards would be so damn clever and then later undetectable in autopsy, blah blah. It wasn’t nearly as clever as the author thought it was and he took about 3x longer to describe it than necessary. But what really made me scream out loud and throw the book across the room was when the author ended the description and chapter with the words, “Fenrick loved being subtle” which should have ended, “a trait this author knows absolutely nothing about.” Seriously, go back to that book, find the chapter and tell me it’s not the most painful thing you’ve ever seen in print. Ugh. Still feel the need to rant about it years later.

[@hey_its_heather]

every time you said “dune universe” I kept wishing you would say “duniverse” 😂

[@laranadesign4764]

@21:30 I hate when they dumb things down. When the first Matrix movie came out, I was in Spain visiting family. I loved it but felt I needed to watch it again, but in English, when I got back to the US, so I could better understand the details. It was still a complicated story and I loved that. Watching something multiple times, you pick up on hints to the lore you didn't notice before. It's a fun treasure hunt that you don't get when the story is too simple, over explained, or boring. You miss out on the "digestion" of the material like a ruminate animal chewing and chewing with satisfaction. 😂 If it's boring, I don't even want a taste. Spit that crap out.

[@corriejones7651]

I always look forward to your next video. Just wanna say my baby (16mo) always is bopping to your intro/outro. She loves you 😂

[@henrymmene4470]

@42:02 In the bubble of modern Hollywood: strong women can not exist without the woman emasculating and insulting the man, this is how modern Hollywood writers show the audience that the female character is empowered. Then these people always wonder why a lot of modern strong female characters are hated. It's not sexism it just that no one likes a rude and obnoxious person.

[@slorenz5626]

lol no , sometimes is just sexism like female characters can't be bad otherwise people hate like is a real person or wost the actors 😢

[@Eloraurora]

It can be both. After all, there are plenty of beloved male characters who are, to some degree, assholes. The difference is that they're allowed to be, and we're allowed to notice. The girlboss's moral failings are waved aside by the narrative, because they're not willing to write complexity.

[@henrymmene4470]

@@Eloraurora No well written character is perfect. A perfect character with no flaws is also hated. In current big budget movies female characters are just badly written with the intentions of sending an ideological message. Disney is especially guilty of this. In the past we had strong female leads in action movies and people loved them.

[@henrymmene4470]

@@slorenz5626 It's not sexism. This excuse is used by Hollywood to defend themselves. In the past we also had some female led movies flopping and we never heard "it flopped due to sexism". Sexism and racism are just shields used by Hollywood studios to shame people into liking a badly written movie.

[@Eloraurora]

@@henrymmene4470 I do wonder how much of it is a perceptual limit - like an average-intelligence writer wanting a genius character, but because they can't do it credibly, they just make the other characters stupid so the 'genius' can correct them. It rings false, and it cheapens the characters. Leadership can be an incredibly nuanced exercise of people skills, and I always worry how believable my characters can be in that role when it's not one I inhabit comfortably myself, so I can't help wondering if that's what the girlbossifiers are getting wrong.

[@Neonregenesis]

This show is AWFUL yet people defend it so much on social network. They say it’s the best acting and so great of a story when it’s the cringiest and most boring thing ever produced . Why are they cucking for the actress is beyond me. I’ve never felt so bad as when she used the voice. It’s so cringe. I had to stop the show because every time they try to be cool it’s CRINGE!

[@96Phenix]

Dune: Prophecy's creators are Diane Ademu-John and Alison Schapker, both produce shit shows.

[@arthistoryluv]

Actual analysis starts around 6:20

[@rebeccah9193]

a new friendlyspaceninja video! let me go get my popcorn 🍿🍿

[@adamh8876]

The power of one. The power of two. The power of Bene!!!

[@cascalavera9388]

1:08 ngl dude, that is on you, if Villanueve wasn’t involved what made you believe Prophecy was gonna live up to the movies’ quality?

[@alexcomtois7932]

Not only that, but it was announced in 2019/2020 and shooting and everything was quiet, and there was more development hell. Idr the details but I know some stuff happened.

[@bjdhdd]

and the fact that it was based on Brian's awful shitty fanfic of his dad's work

[@parisunltd]

Lmfaooooo why was I thinking this exact thing as he was saying all of that 💀