Dune vs Dune: Uprising or Imperium? Board Stupid Recommends.

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In this video we discuss the merits and qualities of one of the finest games released in the past decade, Dune Imperium, and compare it to its successor, Dune Imperium Uprising. We review both games and give you our conclusion as to which version is the best, and the one we recommend you pick up if you're in the market for a new dune based strategy board game!
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@ricardomartin3898 8 ай бұрын

Wonderful analysis and comparison between the 2 games. Just what I need! You got a new subscribed!

@boardstupiduk 8 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Welcome aboard dude! Appreciate it

@dukster362 8 ай бұрын

Sandworm minis were included for people who had the deluxe version of dune imperium to match the troop minis :)

@boardstupiduk 8 ай бұрын

Ahhhhh well that makes a little sense.

@niekka1978 8 ай бұрын

You must mean it makes _a lot_ of sense and you are somewhat embarrassed that you complained about the minis in the review? 🫣

@boardstupiduk 8 ай бұрын

Nope, not embarrassed at all, because if you don't own the deluxe upgrade and you buy Uprising, you'll be rightfully confused as to why there are two types which don't match. This is worth pointing out in the review

@niekka1978 8 ай бұрын

@@boardstupiduk a clueless buyer might get confused but a board game reviewer shouldn't. Worth pointing out would have been "there are also optional sandworm minis provided to make it compatible with the previous deluxe version". Not "why would they do this??!!" which is what you have here.

@boardstupiduk 8 ай бұрын

Ha! You make it sound like we're professional. We don't get paid or sent these games for free, we bought them, love games, and gave our impressions. It would have been better to include just wooden ones, and have the sandworms as an upgrade like they did the first time round. These are our honest impressions, and I still feel like "why did they do this" also this information isn't in the rule book.

@BoardGamecomments 8 ай бұрын

I'm glad this video is finally out. I haven't played Uprising yet. It makes sense that the 1.5 is preferred by the vast majority of people that compare the two. I did hear elsewhere that Imperium had the edge as a solo experience, but that was before the Imperium app came out, so now people have the option to play 1.0 with a challenge mode full of variants in that. The best Dune game? That's a tough one because the others are hard to get to the table even if you have a copy. Games with the Dune IP compete fiercely with other games to get to the table. Imperium is easy to get to the table, but it still competes with Lost Ruins of Arnak (27) and Endless Winter (277). I should probably say "was" because Uprising (133) is now competing with Dune Imperium (6). Dune (474), the 1979 game that was remade in 2019 with the same name (192) kind of competes with itself the way Uprising does with Imperium. It technically competes with the 2021 Dune: A Game of Conquest and Diplomacy mini remake version too, although that's like Twilight Struggle competing with Twilight Squabble. In reality it's competing with 3 hour negotiation games with high player counts. For shorter playtimes that's Rising Sun (126) and Comic Encounter (195). For longer playtimes that's Twilight Imperium (5), Game of Thrones (210), and Diplomacy (784). Even games like Circadians: Chaos Order (2248) from 2022 are fighting for table space against these games. Dune War for Arrakis (1558) is a game I'm passing on for just this reason. The epic hours long duel games fighting for my table space are War of the Ring (8) and Star Wars Rebellion (9). Dune games tend to be games that inflate my ratings for IP games because the mechanisms are usually the things that appeal to me more than the theme.

@boardstupiduk 8 ай бұрын

Thanks BGC! Appreciate the commentary as always. It was clear to us in playthroughs that if you had to buy just one of them, it had to be uprising, as it offers more as a singular experience than Dune Imperium alone and is the more forgiving, slightly more dynamic of the two if you like the deckbuilding side, and has more ways to mitigate worker placement space denial than it's elder sibling. The original Dune. If you have the GF9 copy, you have the better version of the original Dune game. It's an amazing game but it's a git to get to the table due to it absolutely being superior at a 6 player count, but if you can, it's a tremendous game that is extremely thematic! But at this point, I don't see it getting to the table again in the near or possibly even far future. Endless Winter and Lost Ruins of Arnak are absolutely analogous to Dune Imperium, so I can see how they can compete for gaming time. Endless Winter is a much wider game than Imperium. Arnak might be a bit closer to the style but is more forgiving still than uprising. Rising Sun is one of my favourite games of all time. I'm overdue another play of it, so I might suggest it for bank holiday monday... Dune War for Arrakis looks cool, but I don't have room for it, plus I'm moving further and further away from CMON style productions. I think it's getting to the point now where we're seeing a bit of Dune IP saturation in the board game space, similar to how marvel games were EVERYWHERE a couple of years back. How long that will last, I don't know, but with a new TV Series coming and possibly another movie, we haven't seen the last of it.

@athullnexus5450 4 ай бұрын

What do all the numbers next to the names mean? I get it’s a code but for what website is it for?

@BoardGamecomments 4 ай бұрын

@@athullnexus5450 They were the BoardGameGeek rankings of the best games of all time as of the date I wrote that. I was just using them as a general indicator of popularity.

@athullnexus5450 4 ай бұрын

@@BoardGamecommentsah. Thanks a lot.

@Humphreysfox 5 ай бұрын

Nice video. I have both and all the expansions. Uprising is unopened but I feel like combining the cards and using the expansions with uprising...this can be done right? Any guides out there in combining them?

@boardstupiduk 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for checking out the video! Regarding combining uprising with imperium, you are right, check out Page 18 of the Uprising rulebook. This is a good thread on it boardgamegeek.com/thread/3213458/merakons-house-blend/page/1

@Humphreysfox 5 ай бұрын

@@boardstupiduk thanks!! i hadnt opened my uprising copy yet so great tip!

@boardstupiduk 5 ай бұрын

No worries dude!

@roza44channel 7 ай бұрын

What about comparing Uprising to Imperium with expansions ? There are many opinion on internet that Im+expansions elevate it above Uprising. Would you agree ? Other side around, biggest complains about Uprising is that worm fighting (double points) is injustice and break a game. I didn't have any of them and wonder if this is better to buy Im+expansions or Uprising (as base game only) ?

@boardstupiduk 7 ай бұрын

Hey Roza, great question! I have imperium plus rise of IX, Matt has Uprising. I think honestly going it to it cold, you can just buy uprising. It is initially more complex, but plays complexity wise kind of like Imperium including rise of ix. If you want a slightly more streamlined, slightly tougher experience, get the original plus Ix. You can't go wrong with either option.

@zinnsoldat6493 6 ай бұрын

Uprising> Imperium . House rules for worms to balance them : Victorious players get base rewards+ 3rd place . 1+3 2+3 3+3 .

@zinnsoldat6493 6 ай бұрын

In my country there's only Uprising and Immorality in stock. No Imperium (since Uprising released) and rise of Ix . So i guess go for Uprising and later for Rise X.

@boardstupiduk 6 ай бұрын

You think the rules need balance? I think you're in the minority there.

@stevekingswell9143 2 ай бұрын

I have done a lot of research on this question. There is a serious competitive scene for Dune Imperium, Ix and Imo. The competitive players out there consider Dune Imperium Ix Imo to be more forgiving than Uprising. At expert level mistakes in Uprising do not allow much opportunity to come back. It is a deep game without width, whereas DI Ix Imo is both deep and wide offering more paths to victory. It is not advised to use Ix and Imo with Uprising, for balance reasons. In Uprising you must win battles to win the game at expert level, not so in DI Ix Imo. Of course not all of this holds true at the casual gamer level, Uprising has more thematic coverage of the whole Dune story so far. Also casual players will not see all the nuanced narrowness of Uprising which will manifest as swinginess in battles in the end game. So Dune Imperium Ix Imo is the better balanced wider game, Dune Uprising is the more thematic swingy game. The new expansion Bloodlines will likely make Uprising wider,a good thing,and add more good stuff & mechanics to DI Ix Imo. I have DI Ix Imo and will not be trading it.

@alexandrosvezyropoulos2344 2 ай бұрын

since i have NOT played the original and plan to buy it. and i also for now at least dont intent to buy expansions. which is the safest pick?

@boardstupiduk 2 ай бұрын

Uprising, that's our view.

@alexandrosvezyropoulos2344 2 ай бұрын

@@boardstupiduk awesome! with blackfriday around the corner it will be a good pick up

@boardstupiduk 2 ай бұрын

@@alexandrosvezyropoulos2344 it's a tremendous game mate! Fingers crossed you get a great deal on it and can enjoy playing it very soon :)

@alexandrosvezyropoulos2344 2 ай бұрын

found one for 42 euro ! so i think its as good as it will get ! thank you for the replies !

@boardstupiduk 2 ай бұрын

@@alexandrosvezyropoulos2344 Any time! Thanks for checking the video out :)

@polixmetal 4 ай бұрын

Excellent review

@boardstupiduk 4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

@Simon_BoardStupid 8 ай бұрын

Interesting to see a redux like this, particularly for what was already a highly rated game. I can't think of many titles that have done this, as opposed to making the changes through an add-on

@boardstupiduk 8 ай бұрын

It's an interesting approach and one that I didn't see coming to be honest. Plus they have a multitude of expansions. I feel like they wanted to capitalise on the amazing success both critically and commercially, and saw an opportunity to tweak the game in advance of part 2, and actually did so pretty successfully!

@BoardGameAddictUK 6 ай бұрын

Very helpful thanks

@boardstupiduk 6 ай бұрын

You're very welcome! Thanks for watching!

@kamokamocsai 5 ай бұрын

If you want to buy the basic game, then buy Uprising. If you're going to play the most exciting and balanced version, buy the original Imperium with the IX and Immortality expansions.

@boardstupiduk 5 ай бұрын

Probably a fair take! Thanks for the insight

@RoskildeJonas 2 ай бұрын

I have played over a thousand games of Dune Imperium with expansions, both in a competitive environment and more casual with friends, and have played a reasonable amount of Uprising as well. There really is no contest for me. Uprising has some really cool mechanics, that I would like to see in Dune Imperium, but Uprising is an inferior game, partly because of its heavy focus on combat. In Dune Imperium you have multiple ways of winning and can even win the game with a single, or (more rarely tho) no combat wins. If you don't win combats in Uprising, you're always going to have a hard time. I think enabling multiple strategies is more lore friendly and allows for more creative plays. I have recently started playing the 3v3 Uprising with other experienced Dune players and actually enjoy that a lot, but I can honestly say, that if I could get my money back for Uprising, I would.

@boardstupiduk 2 ай бұрын

And this is why board games are amazing, thanks for your insight and view on it.

@sixstab2967 Ай бұрын

Hi! Thank you for your thoughts! What do you think of bloodlines? I know its not out but there are many reviews online. And with your experience you could probably understand how its gonna add to the game. And do you think bloodlines is compatible with dune classic and the released expansions? (no uprising) thank you for your time.

@RoskildeJonas Ай бұрын

We play bloodlines on tts and have been for almost 2 months I think. Several of the leaders can't be played in basegame, as contracts and spies aren't really compatible with DI, so personally I think you need to make house rules or accept that it's only for D:U. For uprising, I think it's great! Both the techs and commanders has helped changing the meta. Keep in mind I don't play a lot of 4p, so I'm not too familiar with meta, but you should look forward to play Hasimir and Kota!

@sixstab2967 Ай бұрын

@@RoskildeJonas thank you for your time and reply ! with that said if you would look at the dune experience : Dune base + 2 expansions ( Ix and immorality) OR dune uprising + bloodlines what would view as the best experience for more casual gamers who like a more balanced experience and ways to win instead of heavy combat focused. From what you wrote it seems the base game and 2 expansions are more like that instead of uprising and bloodlines. or does bloodlines balances uprising ?

@RoskildeJonas Ай бұрын

@sixstab2967 I think casual gamers should either play Dune Imperium with Ix (immo is great and whenever I play without it, it feels like a compromise, but some of my more casual boardgaming friends often struggle with the added complexity, so we play without occasionally). If people have experience with somewhat complex board games, both expansions should be fine. What Bloodlines really does, is making HC even more important (you get price reduction on tech purchases) and the spice you get 2nd time you take HC can now be even more useful. It gives both spice and solari way more purpose throughout the game, and the new leaders are not really that combat focused (you have Duncan, but his ring effect is mostly just a worse version of Gurney's), for instance Mohiam gains access with any cards to the places she has spies, which means you can get much more creative with your card purchases, as long as you can consistently generate new spies. It also means you can get a lot of faction bumps very easily and by doing so, you can focus less on combat. When I first started playing Uprising, people typically rushed to get sandworms active asap, as the advantages were great, but if you manage to get an early commander or two, you can get good compensation by either delaying or skipping them. I definitely think both games have some advantages and I'm a bit on the edge about what to advice you to here. I am very Bloodlines hyped right now and exclusively play 3v3 with bloodlines, and so, if you will be so kind as to remember that my hype makes me biased, I think casual players might enjoy uprising with bloodlines more. Base game with Ix only is simpler imo, so that might be best if they are very inexperienced.