Dune Imperium: Uprising Leader Tier List!

[@TekGriffon]

As a Princess Irulan main (who forgets to grab the intrigue card 80% of the time), you're absolutely right that her long-term deckbuilding strength comes at the cost of reveal power on the turns where you use the signet ring. I like to plan around that. For those turns where you have weaker buy power, Uprising includes a card that's extremely useful for Irulan, costs only 2 influence, and is always available to buy. With 2 influence reveal and green and blue access, a Prepare the Way is the equivalent of a Reconnaissance, a Dagger, and a Convincing Argument all rolled into one. If you're slash and burning your starting deck down to just Signet and Diplomacy, Prepare the Ways are an essential bread and butter card. I always grab two, sometimes three. That said, you mentioning that your games typically end at the first Conflict III card have me realizing that 4 player games must be incredibly different from 2-3 player games. In my 3 player group, we almost always play to the last or second to last Conflict III. Perhaps that's why I like Irulan so much. If I had 3-4 less late-game rounds to enjoy her slimmed down deck, I'd probably rate her down in B tier, too.

[@scmccarthy]

My experience with 3p and 4p games doesn't show a difference in how quickly they end (round 7-8, rarely round 6 or 9).

[@tomtang7463]

Games tend to end faster as you play more and get more experienced with the game

[@reversereverse7349]

Looking forward to the ALL leader tier list.

[@froggyjm9]

Not sure if it’s possible since there’s dissonance between the old game and uprising

[@reversereverse7349]

@@froggyjm9 With the exception of Ilisa, Rhombur and Hundro, I use all leaders with my base box of Uprising and see no reason not to.

[@cryoclasm]

Recently had a fun game as baron Vs Paul and muaddib. Basically speedrun the game and finished in R7. Fun fact: baron's masterstroke was activated in the 6th round and if it hadn't been 3 combat intrigues from muaddib I would have finished in r6 :)

[@fenriryggdrasil5584]

​@@reversereverse7349I use them all and just set fold space aside for ilisa

[@newmancl0]

Love the little strategy tips for each Leader. Now that Dune Imperium is on Steam. I'd love to see a new guide for leader choice and strategy for the base game.

[@newmancl0]

OH, it would also be really cool to get guides for the Challenges. A walkthrough of each Skirmish would be awesome too! I understand that that would require a LOT more videos though......

[@AllinWhenPlaying]

Irulan - trash daggers, re-buy Prepare the Ways (or a better 2 presence option if available). Ignore focusing on 2 spice and obtaining. That doesn't slow you down, that speeds you up.

[@cheesable]

Based on my stats. There will be some surprises in times to come!

[@4thQueen]

Cheese gonna ride Metulli into a tourny winner 👀

[@DenDen-jk8kt]

@@4thQueen LoL, I think i'm one of the only Metulli players in our circle.

[@Schrogs]

Can you add the leaders from the first game? I added them all together

[@RaK0]

How can it be that a new edition of the game with major overhaul and rebalances of the map still manages to give us so unbalanced leaders where some are obviously weaker than others? It has become way too normal in modern board games to release products that need a little more time in the oven and get patched afterwards.

[@bartoszkiernicki9227]

i dont agreed with this ranking :P Lady Amber B tier great in first 1-3 combat, flexible in ur stategy and good for every start place Staban- S to B very shake but if u have good card on start he is beast Lady Jessica A-/B+ tier see crazy game with she, and use on fremen and BG Princess for me is B/C but i know that Lannister love she and I trust him a lot so probably A/B Margot yep we got first match, she is A Paul is A-/B+ in meta after more games he go down in ranking, second match think same Shaddam is S/A tier we got match number 3 Feyd is stong but for me is more A tier, ofc if u have a lot cards, who give u spy it will be S tier GH is S tier but i think he will be drop to A tier soon i got only 40-45 games on belt so maybe i will change my mind :P

[@carsonparker5829]

Another excellent Uprising content video!

[@darkportents9835]

Hey Orski, I tried the Emperor with the suggestions you made and I did do better than I have with him before but I still got stomped when my wife ran up a 6 point turn from behind on a turn 8 conflict (with spice Must Flows and a Shadow Alliance and worms), so I think I could probably do better with him in the future. I would love it if you would do a detailed video guide on how to play Shaddam well. Is there any chance that might be coming down the line?

[@darkportents9835]

actually she scored 7 points that round including the Shadow Alliance endgame card

[@UwaGaming]

may i ask, if Shaddam plays the ring, can he choose not to use the ability and put troops into combat

[@anustupdas9273]

I think its forced to play the signet ring ability everytime you play it. Someone pointed it our to me in the rulebook.

[@cryoclasm]

There is no may in his ability. You must abide to the text on the card which is prevalent when it contradicts the rules.

[@Brustpilot]

Irulan mainly benefits from cards that give a bonus by trashing them. If you are play with RIse of IX that can be a lot. There are also a few one cost cards that are worthwhile, also in Paul Dennens card blend.

[@n00bstude]

goat gurney

[@GreyMessenger]

Everybody hates on Staban but, I think he's a high B/low A at best. I think if you start adding that module in immortality that helps you reset the imperial row once per game, then he's by far S-tier.

[@reversereverse7349]

I was watching the WSBG with Paul Dennen commentating and saw the players choose their leaders *AFTER* the imperial row was drawn. Is that how everyone plays? Seems kinda busted being able to choose your leader knowing what’s on the row already.

[@GreyMessenger]

​@@reversereverse7349 I know in my playgroup we only reveal after we pick are characters

[@scmccarthy]

@@reversereverse7349 Yes, that's in the rulebook. They don't tell you how to pick leaders but they do give you the timing - after imperium row is visible.

[@xono5871]

I just played a game as Staban and honestly it feels like he has an incredibly strong Signet Ring ability if you can get a couple cards with spy agent icons. I'm frustrated that Orski criticises Staban having poor spy placement and then promptly turns around and effusively praises Margot Fenring's signet ability. I also think that he's ranking strictly based on a 4p meta - on a 3p table your opponents actively locking you out of spaces is much harder to achieve. My frustration with Staban is that his passive and signet work against each other a bit - his passive benefits from spying on the desert spaces, but his signet benefits most from faction/landsraad spaces. It feels like you have to choose which effect to gain more benefit from.

[@caleb2957]

@orski with Lady Jessica, if you double an agent move with her flipped once per turn ability, do you double the faction influence gain? I gather that you don't, as the gain is from placing the agent rather than activating the tile? My group just played our first game, and we ruled that it did but I'm now questioning it!

[@orski78]

You do not - that would be a very strong ability if it also gave double influence bumps!

[@caleb2957]

@@orski78 Ah we were treating it as an 'additional worker placement' haha. It was strong! Do you not then pay the cost on the left again if you're using her ability? eg. water cost on the research station?

[@BloodFalcon2k7]

If Shaddam goes to Sardaukar once, does he acquire both contracts at the same time?

[@reversereverse7349]

Yes.

[@MichelWild]

No, he does acquire them like normal contracts, one at a time.

[@reversereverse7349]

@@MichelWild If he has already obtained both contracts, he gets both rewards once going to Sardaukar.

[@MichelWild]

@@reversereverse7349 But the question was about acquiring the contracts not the rewards... :o Of course you can get both rewards if you have both contracts

[@BloodFalcon2k7]

Sorry poor wording on my part. Does he gain the rewards of both Sard. contracts by only going to Sard. once or does he need to go there twice?

[@darkportents9835]

How do we know that you don't keep getting the troop and the spy if the token is at the end. I couldn't find it on leader card or in clarifications in rulebook

[@orski78]

The designer said that’s how it works

[@darkportents9835]

​@@orski78thanks!

[@hallowen]

And I liked Tuek and Irulan a lot! Dammit! 😩

[@10freekie2]

Yayyy ^^

[@Emanon...]

"They" ? I don't think anyone would be offended by using male/female pronouns.

[@Kumagoro42]

Honest question: how did you come up with your choices of pronouns for these characters? You're using she/her for Princess Irulan and Lady Margot, for instance, but they/them for basically every male character? I really don't think there's any lore that suggests Gurney Halleck might be nonbinary. Dude is as strongly gendered a character as they get. :)

[@mr.horseshoe2301]

It's ridiculous. I understand using they/them if you can't see the character. But 999 times out of 1000, you can easily determine the correct gender by just looking at a person. And if you're wrong, just apologize to them.

[@Lavoye]

Using they/them on a fictionnal character... really? You think they're gonna get offended?

[@kevinperalta6721]

Dude, there are white people whom get mad with another white people doing "cultural apropiation" that has nothing to do with them, lgbtq communnity can get mad for everything

[@Lavoye]

@@kevinperalta6721 Well, let them be mad. The world is not spinning around they/them. :P

[@danielbak5186]

Get a life

[@christophertan3195]

triggered! lol

[@S1leNtRIP]

What do you mean? What’s the issue?