Rogue Guide - Classes in Dungeons and Dragons 5e

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@chrisv.h.2307
@chrisv.h.2307 6 жыл бұрын
One of the players who recently joined my campaign is playing a very unusual rogue: a strength-based goliath thief with the healer and actor feats and expertise in athletics. I'll never forget the first session he joined our table. While the rest of the party engaged in fairly typical combat, he stole the arrows directly out of the enemy drow archers' quivers, administered triage with his healing kit as a bonus action, grappled rival spies and moved them into plain sight for the rest of the party, and imitated the voice of the commander to send a group of reinforcements the wrong direction. It was months before he made his first attack roll, and only then because his character had partaken of a few too many drinks and embraced his violent side. Moral of the story: clever players can do a LOT with the rogue's skill set.
@berkpick
@berkpick 6 жыл бұрын
So cool
@lanecordy4248
@lanecordy4248 6 жыл бұрын
THAT MAN IS A GOD OF THE CHEESE!!!! I salute that cheeky bastard and wish him many successful campaigns
@Quandry1
@Quandry1 6 жыл бұрын
People greatly under estimate the thief archetype in combat with their list of mostly nondamage abilities. For example they are the only one that can pull off the reverse pick pocket the grenade trick mid combat.
@twilightgardenspresentatio6384
@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 5 жыл бұрын
Chris V.H. Amazing
@FtonDavid
@FtonDavid 5 жыл бұрын
@@Quandry1 I thought Arcan Trickster could too. Legerdemain: - You can stow one object the hand is holding in a container worn or carried by another creature. PHB p.98
@theyoutubeidiot6203
@theyoutubeidiot6203 6 жыл бұрын
If only you knew of Grogg the Roguish Orc, that put all his points into intimidation instead of stealth and every time he got caught he would yell “You do not see Grogg!”. And he would be on his way.
@reaverrogue7142
@reaverrogue7142 5 жыл бұрын
"Only two things see Grogg. Dead things, and things that know better."
@countkingpen
@countkingpen 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve actually done this before with a half orc actually, he screamed at people and they didn’t see him!
@fortieznoshortiez
@fortieznoshortiez 3 жыл бұрын
LMFAO oh my god
@JefAlanLong
@JefAlanLong 3 жыл бұрын
I wanted to click like but you’re running straight fives
@Shrapucino
@Shrapucino 2 жыл бұрын
Grogg the orc: "YOU DID NOT SEE ME" Horrified town guard: "Yeah, totally"
@Peter-xs2mu
@Peter-xs2mu 5 жыл бұрын
Table of contents: 1:39 - Why play a rogue? 3:16 - Party role" 4:48 - Get inspired 10:26 - Building a rogue 11:23 - Ability Scores 14:06 - Races 17:49 - Proficiencies 22:37 - Sneak Attack 27:01 - Cunning Action 28:35 - Roguish Archetypes
@alucardbunche4197
@alucardbunche4197 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@itsyaboidante3088
@itsyaboidante3088 4 жыл бұрын
This individual is a true hero
@celta6117
@celta6117 4 жыл бұрын
May the ancient bless you
@doctordonutdude
@doctordonutdude 4 жыл бұрын
God's work
@Super-Saiyan9665
@Super-Saiyan9665 4 жыл бұрын
Legend
@witchBoi_Connor
@witchBoi_Connor 6 жыл бұрын
19:54 “Hey rogue, can you intimidate this guy!” Says the meat head halforc barbarian “Nope. Can you disarm the trap you’re about to walk into?” Says the rogue with a high perception. “What-?!” Says the downed barbarian who shouldn’t antagonize the rogue.
@SH-qs7ee
@SH-qs7ee 5 жыл бұрын
"hey rogue, can you intimidate this guy?" *rogue rolls deception* "yes I can..."
@LordNumbnutsthe1st
@LordNumbnutsthe1st 3 жыл бұрын
As the idiot barbarian who literally got himself in trouble with the whole party doing that very thing, I can confirm. Do not, and I mean NEVER piss off the rogue. You'll pay in ways you can only BEGIN to imagine.
@danieldosso2455
@danieldosso2455 6 жыл бұрын
Honestly I would put Han Solo as more of a bard, with his great one-liners R2-D2 is the Star Wars Rogue, he's always disarming traps and opening locked doors. R2-D2 also technically has Thieve's Cant in his "Droid Speak"
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
R2-D2 really IS kind of a Rogue! I totally see it! Bards need not have the monopoly on great one-liners, but they are the masters of it!
@kalebmantegani5922
@kalebmantegani5922 6 жыл бұрын
not gonna lie, this might be my favorite youtube comment ever
@GuardianCitadel
@GuardianCitadel 6 жыл бұрын
And a good example of a rogue that doesn't 'sneak' or have high dex. R2 is more of a tools/perception/insight/knowledge expertised rogue.
@gwillis637
@gwillis637 6 жыл бұрын
Also, I'd add that it's clear Artoo has fantastic one liners it's just that only C3PO and Luke (for some reason) can understand them. From context, you can tell he's a total smartass
@skunk12
@skunk12 6 жыл бұрын
Chopper is my favorite Star Wars droid rogue!
@alexistoran2181
@alexistoran2181 4 жыл бұрын
"Choosing a race with darkvision is a gigantic advantage when it comes to being stealthy, especially if you're fighting regular humans." I'd argue it's more important when your enemies have darkvision. If there's one thing Phandelver taught me, it's that there's no bigger giveaway for a rogue than being the only person who needs a lantern to see where they're going!
@Yeimi66
@Yeimi66 2 жыл бұрын
Lol 😆
@creepykiller2876
@creepykiller2876 4 жыл бұрын
My mother actually plays a tabaxi rogue, and one of her flaws is that she is extremely easily distracted, much like a regular cat would be. She role plays as if she is a cat and it is both hilarious and annoying because she sometimes does it at inopportune times.
@Comicsluvr
@Comicsluvr 2 жыл бұрын
Please allow me to state how cool it is that A) Your mom plays D&D and B) you're praising her for it. Good on you!
@GoobieTheGoob
@GoobieTheGoob 2 жыл бұрын
That’s the exact vibe I’m going for with my Tabaxi Rogue for our second campaign. Can’t wait to play it!
@hithere4719
@hithere4719 Жыл бұрын
“Enemy wizard uses Prestidigitation to make a single, red point of light appear on the floor…roll a new character meow”
@ImperfectHestia
@ImperfectHestia 5 жыл бұрын
"Ignorance killed the cat, curiosity was framed."
@TheBeelzboss
@TheBeelzboss 5 жыл бұрын
One can only overcome ignorance via curiosity though
@Bigred073
@Bigred073 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheBeelzboss Hence why curiosity was framed...
@TheBeelzboss
@TheBeelzboss 5 жыл бұрын
Curiosity is the driving force. To have been framed it would have to be barely involved, not completely. Curiosity most definitely killed the cat in his quest for knowledge.
@brunobeltranbelmonte755
@brunobeltranbelmonte755 5 жыл бұрын
I killed a cat for curiosity does that count
@FtonDavid
@FtonDavid 5 жыл бұрын
Very nice, I have it as a quote in my Facebook Bio: "Ignorance killed the cat, Sir; curiosity was framed!" - C.J. Cherryh (Company Wars Book 6 "Tripoint")
@abelsampaio389
@abelsampaio389 6 жыл бұрын
I made a charlatan rogue for a one-shot who was your regular burglar, and once broke in the house of a commandant who was really mean, had no friends even in his army, and always fought with his helmet on. He didn't want to, but the fool reacted to the assault and was killed in a lucky shot. My character then killed the only servant he had, took his armor and identity, buried the body and asked his lord to go on a diplomatic mission to another realm, nominating another soldier in his place for the time being. He never came back, and to this day he pretends to be this retired army commandant.
@lordzaboem
@lordzaboem 5 жыл бұрын
Great rogue story
@Morathor
@Morathor 5 жыл бұрын
My first 5E character was a rogue, and I have to say, NOTHING was as fun as using cunning action to dart by a boss and stab it as I passed. That was so good.
@xezzee
@xezzee 4 жыл бұрын
I have yet to see any of Rogue players use Cunnin action to not stand next to enemy my self included :D hilarious how people can fail like that. Then again you don't think it in game. It is like my friend playing warlock standing in open with no cover and getting attacked from range complaining that why they target him, the only person who has done dmg past 3 turns as everyone else keeps missing ~
@NachoBran_CandyCabbage
@NachoBran_CandyCabbage 6 жыл бұрын
I remember a session that my friends and I played where the DM gave us a challenge to make characters with races/playstyles that we were not used to. One of the other players at the table made a bugbear thief/rogue that (with the appropriate feats) used medium armor and dual-wielded a rapier and a longsword. It was WAY more effective than it deserved to be. Or at least it was more effective than my lizardfolk transmutation/wizard and our other player's kobold circle of the coast/druid. He was able to fight enemies at a distance thanks to the bugbear's 'long limbed' feature and then flee if he needed to. On top of that, because he had expertise with stealth and acrobatics on top of the thief's better mobility made him really good at sneaking around despite being the largest member of the party. The DM describing a 350 lb bugbear parkouring across the rooftops in a drow city in the underdark is one of the stranger things I've heard described in a game. He also had a really high strength score (17 I think) that let him carry an absurd amount of loot thanks to his 'powerful build' feature. There was one memorable moment from the session happened after our first combat encounter with some drow, it went something like this, Rogue: "What armor are they wearing?" DM: "what was once intricately designed dark leather armor is now covered in blood and thoroughly ruined. One set is also slightly melted thanks to your larger scaled companion." *I shrug* Rogue: "I take all of it." DM: "But it's not worth much now..." Rogue: "But I can carry it all right?" DM: "Yes, but-" Rogue: "I hesitate for a moment and take all of it because I'm a klepto." Oh he also had the acolyte background and was a devout follower of Tiamat because why not.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
What an awesome character! Bugbears are really interesting, they are brutes, thugs, but surprisingly sneaky. Sounds like a fantastic character.
@tylermaberry3172
@tylermaberry3172 6 жыл бұрын
Made my day😂
@sea_triscuit7980
@sea_triscuit7980 6 жыл бұрын
These stats are too damn high! Haha I don't get why players want to make such powerful builds, weaknesses are usually where the fun happens
@TheBeelzboss
@TheBeelzboss 5 жыл бұрын
I did something like this with a group of mine but went about it differently. I had them all make a character of a different class with back stories, before we started I had them roll a die. That die roll chose the character they played, three of them got new ones. The fourth had created a character they weren't used to playing anyway so it worked out perfectly.
@joeholtz5395
@joeholtz5395 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t want to pee in your Cheerios. If you guys had fun that is all that counts. I don’t see a huge bugbear in party as fun. You can’t enter cities. You can’t go in a LOT of small rooms or entrances. You can’t clamber across a lot of terrain. Regular people would attack immediately out of sheer fear. No way are you stealthy. You’re always going to be suspected of everything that goes wrong. You cannot camouflage yourself in society. It seems that ONLY certain dungeon crawling would be possible. It would be very challenging for the player and the party and the DM. But if he custom tailored everything then sure. It would rock
@anthonynaimo9507
@anthonynaimo9507 6 жыл бұрын
Been playing a black dragonborn Strength-based rogue (swashbuckler) with my dump stat being Dexterity. Inefficient, but he’s a lot of fun to play because of that. Melting locks with my breathweapon and smashing it with my hilt, using finesse weapons but choosing to take the strength mod for sneak attack, actively exploiting the environment around me to get that edge in battle/social settings.
@stuffnthings3174
@stuffnthings3174 5 жыл бұрын
couldn't spell DnD last week but my wife asked me to play and I LOVE IT. I didn't realize how fun this game could be. now I feel bad for making fun of the kids that played it when I was in high school almost 20 years ago. lol. loving your videos guy learning alot from you 2. keep it up
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 5 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the game my friend!
@MEmoosetrax
@MEmoosetrax 3 жыл бұрын
“One of us! One of us!’
@raikirah975
@raikirah975 6 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite games to run is actually the proverbial Rogues Gallery you all mentioned toward the beginning of the video. Each player chooses a unique sub-class, which then becomes their "specialty" -- why they were hired or brought on by the group. So you have the Thief, who's the second-story man and physical infiltration specialist, and the Assassin who's great at social engineering and espionage. You have the Arcane Trickster, who specializes in dealing with magical threats/obstacles, and the Swashbuckler who serves as a distraction and muscle. Finally, you've got the Mastermind who put the entire group together, plans their heists/jobs, and generally serves as the glue holding the party together. It makes D&D feel like Ocean's 11, or Leverage -- fantastic fun.
@DarthVadersHeart
@DarthVadersHeart 6 жыл бұрын
What about Westley from Princess Bride aka the dread pirate Roberts. That I'd say is the ultimate Swashbuckler/Rogue/Noble archetype. Everything he did was for his Love of Buttercup.
@pyron5277
@pyron5277 5 жыл бұрын
God that's a good movie
@SeanBlader
@SeanBlader 5 жыл бұрын
"Hallo, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." Who was also a rogue, and would be a great swashbuckler with an Inheritor background. That movie/book is filled with great rogues, Vizzini (mastermind), as well.
@gestergarcia9568
@gestergarcia9568 4 жыл бұрын
Add the buccaneer feat if your DM allows primitive guns and its freaking Fun
@danielessex2162
@danielessex2162 4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't that the diabetic horse that died in half baked?
@maxchristensen5966
@maxchristensen5966 4 жыл бұрын
Or Ezio Auditore from Assassins creed, noblemen turned rogue in chase for revenge.
@WhiteSekii
@WhiteSekii 6 жыл бұрын
Am i missing something or isn't Loki (avengers) a good example of an arcane trickster ?
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
We agree! Although you'd be forgiven for seeing him as more of a full spellcaster as well.
@ChristnThms
@ChristnThms 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah. The amount of magic Loki uses would burn through even a full caster’s slots fast. He’s like a lvl 30 Whisper Bard.
@fhuber7507
@fhuber7507 6 жыл бұрын
Actually Loki is a demigod or a god. Not limited by the norms that apply to mortals. The adaptations for the comic books show him limiting his own powers to entertain himself.
@chunkytheclown3422
@chunkytheclown3422 6 жыл бұрын
I see Loki more as a wizard (potentially sorcerer depending on whether or not being an Asgardian deity inherently grants you specific abilities from birth or if everyone just kinda developed their own thing) that's multiclassed into Rogue. He has WAY more magic than an Arcane Trickster has available (or a full D&D wizard, honestly) and thus I don't really think he could be limited to just that category. His Rogue subclass most certainly would be Arcane Trickster, though, as that falls perfectly in line with how he acts when he's on screen (especially in the MCU), but his worldview, motivations, and the full scope of his powers fall far more in line with a wizard or sorcerer. Also, obviously he's from an entirely different universe so stuff like D&D's own magic system, levels, and specific class abilities wouldn't apply to him. This is just more like the closest thematic equivalent to his character if you wanted to create him in D&D.
@okerutakehashi706
@okerutakehashi706 6 жыл бұрын
@@chunkytheclown3422 or just trickery domain cleric
@kotanagant9768
@kotanagant9768 6 жыл бұрын
Just got into a new D&D session and my character so far is a halfling rogue that I am planning to run as a thief archetype and roleplay as a "Jack Sparrow" type where I will basically do whatever I feel like doing. I liked that part where you mentioned "I won't screw my friends over, but I don't care for everyone else", that is also something I plan on integrating into my character. Can't wait to see how it plays out.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
Sounds great! The most important thing with such a character is finding their motivation. Greed and lust are powerful motivators when playing a character that ‘doesn’t care about anyone else’. You still want to have a reason to go on the adventure after all! Let us know how your new character does!
@pantherapardus8192
@pantherapardus8192 4 жыл бұрын
Funny thing Jack Sparrow is very Charismatic but does also screw his friends over ,lucky thing he is not evil ,more like chaotic nutral , chaotic good by the standards of good in the rules of D&D 5 edition .
@naninuna7440
@naninuna7440 3 жыл бұрын
Ive been doing the same thing, got a new character who is a halfling Rougue similar to Jack Sparrow 😭
@hikikomicklori9290
@hikikomicklori9290 6 жыл бұрын
When I think of a rogue with a noble background I default to Zorro.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely classic!
@immortalwolf3055
@immortalwolf3055 6 жыл бұрын
or robin hood
@alanschaub147
@alanschaub147 6 жыл бұрын
I thought if the movie, “Zorro, the Gay Blade”. I think it would be fun to play a D&D version of that character.
@CriminalApes
@CriminalApes 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah they list Robin Hood as a Ranger but I would consider him a Rogue
@toribiogubert7729
@toribiogubert7729 6 жыл бұрын
To me Robin Hood would be a multi class. And a classic Rogue Noble is Bruce Wayne.
@johntyler6923
@johntyler6923 6 жыл бұрын
Bang on, guys! 40 minutes to cover a hella topic. My Thieves and Assassins (I am far older than the Rogue) have been the most adapted and adaptive classes in all my campaigns. Whatever form they take, they are always essential to any party. As new editions and other materials emerge, I pick and choose the bits that fit, make them into viable choices for the players, and try to keep the potential OP in check. It is refreshing for me to look just at 5e and what a Rogue is and can be as the rules stand now. Oh, and a big thanks for this: my newest player is really enthusiastic but not a big reader, so I've started sending him links to you guys rather than tackle some of his broader questions. As ever, great work, guys!
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I really like how the modern 5e Rogue encapsulates and had a nod to the roots of the class in older editions. It's a really well-designed piece that shows off a lot of what 5e is all about. So happy to hear our videos are useful to your player! This is EXACTLY what we were hoping to do when we started as we have players with similar tendencies (very enthusiastic and excellent role-players, but not big on reading about the rules or game ideas) at our own tables.Please let us know if they have some questions we might cover in a future episode. Cheers! - monty
@karsten69
@karsten69 5 жыл бұрын
hey now, Assassin's get proficiency with disguise kit, poisoner's kit and can create a false persona for themselves, in a cloak & dagger or intrigue game, that's highly valuable.
@AllThingsFascinate
@AllThingsFascinate 5 жыл бұрын
So fun.
@Nexsyana
@Nexsyana 5 жыл бұрын
Thing is, charlatan background gives you practically the same. I prefer Thief and Swashbuckler and Scout over Assassin...IMO Assassin is the weakest
@cyruslupercal9493
@cyruslupercal9493 5 жыл бұрын
But what if you don't want charlatan background? Also, Assassinate is the DM's nightmare. Specialy when you get the Alert and/or Sharpshooter feat(s). Far from being the weakest.
@johnbaker1901
@johnbaker1901 5 жыл бұрын
@@cyruslupercal9493 multi class into ranger gloom stalker and add your wisdom modifier to your intiave also. It will take a little bit to come online but by lv 6 everything starts to come together
@nicholas3141
@nicholas3141 4 жыл бұрын
Cyrus Lupercal monk assassin, fighter assassin, even paladin assassin a lot of damage they can do
@gamewalker91
@gamewalker91 4 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite characters I’ve ever built was a prissy little loxodon noble swashbuckler. My eyes lit up when you listed the noble swashbuckler in your video, because everything you said about it applied to my character! The roleplay was too funny! My dm and I going back and forth about this 300 lbs elephant doing acrobatics and stealthy maneuvers had the party laughing endlessly!
@killerfudgetastic
@killerfudgetastic 5 жыл бұрын
I think one of my favorite moments playing a rouge was an encounter my party had when exploring a dungeon. We had defeated some flaming skulls earlier and retreated to have a short rest to recover from the battle, without realizing that unless the skulls were properly taken care of they would revive in an hour. When we returned to continue exploring, the skulls were waiting for us, and as soon as we opened the door to their room they hit us with three fireballs. I made all my saves and avoided taking any damage, the barbarian tanked it as they do, and the rest of the party dropped. The barbarian charged in to deal with the skulls while I closed the door behind him and began frantically administering healing potions to everyone. I’d never been so happy to have evasion, and just love the image of my wood elf rouge bouncing around to avoid three fireballs.
@fudgethemonkey3980
@fudgethemonkey3980 6 жыл бұрын
This is one of the only channels that I can always watch and relax while doing so! Your guy’s personalities are just…so alluring! You’re so knowledgable, entertaining and enthusiastic! Keep going guys, I love your channel!
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@ATG3192
@ATG3192 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the fact that the Longsword is one of the few specifically listed weapon proficiencies for Rogues lends credence to the thought I've had that the Longsword should be a weapon with the Finesse and Two-Handed properties (and reclassify the current Longsword as a Bastard Sword).
@gabrielgaron6476
@gabrielgaron6476 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, I've yet to see a DC unwilling to add Finesse to the longsword if you remove the Versatile ability from it.
@Warblade357
@Warblade357 5 жыл бұрын
My wife and I loved this video. We play a Master/Blaster style team, her halfling rouge arcane trickster with my half-orc barbarian berserker. I'm old school D&D 1st edition started playing in 1977, she's dabbled here and there but really jumped in with 5E. Bree owes Brawn a life debt (he saved her from a fate worse than death), he loves her, platonically, because she's his "cousin" (INT of 9 vs. CHR of 15, easily convinced) and she was the first to show him compassion and kindness and love. He defers to her in decisions for them and protects her. She looks after him and steals to support them. Their combat dynamic has been lacking until we watched this video and really started understanding Sneak Attack. When you explained it so in depth you could see the light bulbs over our heads! Brawn standing toe to toe with the enemy weilding his greataxe (1d12+6), her flitting around with a short sword, advancing on the enemy, striking with a SA (3d6+5), Cunning Action to Disengage. If they follow her without Disengaging from me, Attack of Oppurtunity! Oh the woes we are about to unleash on unsuspecting foes!!!
@unholyxeras8182
@unholyxeras8182 5 жыл бұрын
if you pick up the sentinel feat, disengage wont prevent them provoking an attack of opportunity and if your attack of opportunity hits you set their movement to 0 so they cant escape
@Warblade357
@Warblade357 5 жыл бұрын
@@unholyxeras8182 Our DM and 2 of our players are new and we all agreed to not use feats to try and keep things simpler. You are right though this combo would be devastating.
@PaiOeShi
@PaiOeShi 6 жыл бұрын
Just started playing a Inquisitive (once I hit 3) who is an aspiring detective. Feels like batman. So much fun to RP. Went with magic initiat; Message, Find Familiar (owl), Green Flame Blade human Variant and its lovely.
@Hawntbawt
@Hawntbawt 5 жыл бұрын
“Hears the Arya Stark shoutout” *immediately checks video release date*
@benm5913
@benm5913 4 жыл бұрын
Same bro, same.
@benjaminfrost2780
@benjaminfrost2780 6 жыл бұрын
Just as a note separate from the other to focus on Arcane Trickster. Arcane Trickster is probably the highest damage output and most survivable Rogue without multi-classing. You can get booming blade or green flame blade for a good chunk of added damage and making your attack magical. You can shield to make you even harder to hit and absorb elements which can help you chop down magical damage even more in tandem with evasion. Big one is you can cast Shadow Blade which does a good chunk of psychic damage at 2d8 I believe as a melee weapon which is HUGE for a 1 handed weapon especially with it being psychic damage. It is SOOOOO much fun and it is stronger than Assassin for full stop damage output over the course of a fight. My arcane trickster was a folk hero that stole from the rich to support the poor in his local town. Was a fun "heroic" rogue to play. He also hated the undead because they killed his Mage adopted father. So when faced by undead he saw red and almost got himself killed to learn from it.
@skyenyx8972
@skyenyx8972 6 жыл бұрын
The Thief archetype has some alarmingly crazy optiions due to Quick Hands. Things that are objects you can use as a bonus action - Magic Items - A Healer's Kit (I've played a thief recently who had some crazy back up functionality as a party healer with the Healer feat.) - Caltrops - Ball Bearings - Tools you're proficient with.
@johnhodges2760
@johnhodges2760 5 жыл бұрын
I do appreciate the Thief's Fast Hands ability, but using or activating magic items is unfortunately not one of its uses. Per p.141 of the DMG under Activating an Item: "If an item requires an action to activate, that action isn't a function of the Use an Item action, so a feature such as the rogue's Fast Hands can't be used to activate the item."
@g80gzt
@g80gzt 4 жыл бұрын
Magic item counts as DOEW. GEYSER EM UP WITH A BONUS
@danielkeelerii2227
@danielkeelerii2227 5 жыл бұрын
I love the swashbuckler archetype, you guys left out the fancy footwork ability, epic.
@pmrobin8
@pmrobin8 6 жыл бұрын
I’m about to start my first D&D campaign as an elf rogue. This video was massively helpful.
@BrianComradovichRadovich
@BrianComradovichRadovich 5 жыл бұрын
I had a fun addition to the rogue guide that I tested out this week: Rock Gnome with the Inquisitive Package from XGtE at 3rd level and the City Watch Variant: Investigator from SCAG as a background. Standard Array gives you: 14, 15, 14, 14, 10, 8. Take the Observant feat at 4th. Proficiencies are Acro, Insight, Investigation, Perception, Sleight of Hand, and Stealth. Expertise starts with Thieves' tools and Perception, pick up Investigation and Stealth at 6th. Buy tinker's tools and a 10' pole in town. I know the stats look average, but 5th level my party utility was freakish. Rock Gnome proficiency with tinker's tools meant I could compensate for the Sorc rolling a 1 and blasting a hole in the rowboat we were standing in. I also get advantage on 3 savings throws against magic, and Artificer's Lore on top of my package bonuses. At 5th level, my passive perception was 21. We ran Saltmarsh's Abbey dungeon. Spoiler: There's a few traps. AL DM gave up trying to roll and just drew the traps in on the map for me. I was so good at finding loot we made out like BANDITS. Combat plays like Robert Downey Jr. as Sherlock Holmes... Sherlock Gnomes. I attack anyone, make a wisdom check as a bonus action, and now I can sneak attack them for the rest of combat even if I'm the only one engaging. After 3rd level, they can't turn invisible to escape from me. When we hit town, my background lets me instantly build rapport with guards, and I can find both the local law enforcement offices and every shady operation in town. If you're not murder-hoboing it, this is a really strong contender for AL play.
@greglensink5265
@greglensink5265 3 жыл бұрын
I'm about to start playing a rogue for the 1st time in a new campaign, and as usual, watching one of your videos leaves me feeling much more confident to start the campaign. Great ideas and great tips. Thanks guys!
@jaspermooren5883
@jaspermooren5883 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Arcane Trickster is awesome. Forrest Gnome Arcane Trickster is even more awesome (+2 int, +1 dex, minor illusion and darkvision). That Mage Hand that can use thief's tools and those illusion spells are super awesome. But honestly, minor illusion is the rogues best friend. With the Forrest Gnome Arcane Trickster I played, it helped me out by creating so many distractions or just fun roleplaying situations. He was a bit of a prankster, and having an invisible hand and the ability to create illusions is such a great combo for pranks.
@agsilverradio2225
@agsilverradio2225 6 жыл бұрын
I made a forest gnome archne trickster rogue. She is a chaotic-good graphiti-artest, who grew up in the slums.
@lordzaboem
@lordzaboem 5 жыл бұрын
I just started in a campaign as a Forrest Gnome Rogue, 1st level. I took a skill prof which was not even mentioned in this video, Animal Handling. I thought it would go well with the gnomish ability to speak with small animals. Then again, a DM might never call for a check involving that skill, so it's a gamble. Got any advice for me regarding how to get more utility out of a Rogue Gnome?
@ramaravade
@ramaravade 4 жыл бұрын
This is very late, but I feel like you undersold the thief's usefulness in a city or wooded environment. Second story work has proved itself very useful for me, being able to take shots with my bow from the tops of buildings and trees and then gracefully hop to the next one and hide. This is also very useful for setting ambushes, infiltrating and gathering information from rather chatty guards. I do agree that assassin and arcane trickster may be better for combat, but I think that thief provides more role utility in both roll playing, with being able to disable traps while in initiative for example and climbing stuff, and in general combat with being able to say use literally any magic item regardless of requirements or having advantages on stealth roles making it easier to hide again. Personally I prefer this to scout, since I like grabbing a couple of levels in gloom stalker and I feel like there's a lot of overlap there. This probably won't get read but, you guys are great keep up the good work.
@manuelkipka
@manuelkipka 2 жыл бұрын
Some read it. That is what counts.
@3thhackz531
@3thhackz531 Жыл бұрын
I would like to put my love letter to arcane since it was undersold too and yours is surprisingly high in the comments lol no mention of free invisible trap disarming, lockpicking, pickpocketing invisible mage hand or the spell steal ability. These combined with the spell choices and resource management it adds really does make a amazing and complete feeling to the class that so many only feel after multi classing. This is something I never knew how much I’d love till I found it with trickster. If it be in a group or setting where I’d care about the rp implications of multiclassing, a group that worries about people trying to power game or am surrounded by people multiclassing and power gaming as you alone approach cap stone with a amazing Swiss army of a class that just never feels bad at any point in the campaign. Lastly unlike a lot of the rogue base stuff which kinda depends on the setting and dm for them to shine trickster and what it brings will find a place to shine regardless of either in and out of combat making it a great option for going in blind or with a DM that you know would struggle to naturally give you those situations.
@NoNameBoi9987
@NoNameBoi9987 6 жыл бұрын
Personally, my favorite go to rogue is the swashbuckler, not only does the high charisma allow you to become a good face of the party, but the availability to sneak attack in one on one combat means you're going to get that chance to sneak attack A LOT more often.
@jamiedavies3810
@jamiedavies3810 6 жыл бұрын
So my brother recommended you guys to me a few days ago, and I am so glad I checked this video out. Thanks for the tips fellas!
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
Rock on! Thanks to you and your brother for checking out our videos!
@jonathanthompson1795
@jonathanthompson1795 5 жыл бұрын
For a recent lvl 10 one-shot with some friends I was playing a rogue that was based of a recent unearthed arcana subclass the Soul Knife Rogue. I went with a bit of the more assassin-type battlefield control combat style and to do so I did need to multi-class and talk with the dm to see if I could get a specific item. (The DM was allowing 1 magic item per character but for this to completely work I needed to have a slightly modified version of one). Funnily enough I ended up taking more levels into the multi-classed choice than rogue. So enough background here's the way it went: - Soul Knife Rogue Lvl 3: So if you read this subclass it allows for the character to create psychic daggers as a bonus action basically giving an unlimited supply of either a close or ranged attack option when needed. Add on Expertise in stealth , sneak attack, and the cunning action. This subclass also comes with some neat things like optional speed or health boost, or telepathy. All the Rogue goodies. - Shadow Monk Lvl 7: This choice allowed me to get some really good buffs such as move speed, ac, evasion as well as the all important Flurry of Blows and the ability to cast Darkness/Silence/Pass w/out Trace/and Darkvision with Ki. Need advantage? Need to hide? All done and ready to go.( Explained in next point) - Modified Goggles of Night: The whole plan really wouldn't have worked if it weren't for these as the modification was that instead of being 60ft regular Dark-vision it became 30ft Magical Dark-vision and you can imagine where that goes with a rogue in Magical darkness. This basically allows permanent advantage and always able to go into stealth w/ bonus action hide. - Race: Variant Human- This was to get the Healer feat to allow some more versatility in case some healing was needed. On the feat topic I also went with the skulker feat just so I didn't need to waste ki for Darkness all the time and still be able to retain stealth if I miss a range attack.
@galnium
@galnium 6 жыл бұрын
I'm currently playing a game with a group of friends and one of them is playing a rogue. First session they stole most of my money, used it to buy us drinks, then gambled it to get about seven times the original amount. We had many good laughs that session.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
What a great scheme! Sorry I stole your money! I got you more, plus booze though!
@seppalasiberian77
@seppalasiberian77 6 жыл бұрын
PigsCanFly 4312 FB
@moliak
@moliak 6 жыл бұрын
Love your channel. Just recently began playing 5e. Grew up playing 1st addition in late 70’s early 80’s. Been on a 30 year hiatus, now I’m back. Thanks for helping me learn the intricacies and rules of this amazing game. Arcane Trickster all the way.
@Shahakazaramesh
@Shahakazaramesh 4 жыл бұрын
I'm playing a scout in a campaign at the moment, and looked at this video on a lark - great video! I loved the discussion of rogues in fiction, as well as the flaws. Related to the lust/gluttony/greed flaw, I conceived of mine as a gambling addict. Part of why he has to take all sorts of jobs, and why he wants to scout up ahead of the party.
@user-jv9sh1ts9g
@user-jv9sh1ts9g 6 жыл бұрын
That story you told about the rogue stealing the diamonds out of the eyes and triggering a trap is from the starter campaign(Lost Mines of Phandelver) that I just ran for some friends.
@grrfilter
@grrfilter 5 жыл бұрын
I am in the middle of that campaign now :/
@pharrigan-hikes
@pharrigan-hikes 4 жыл бұрын
Just played that last week. My rogue was going to do it, but our wizard beat me to it haha.
@jekubfimbulwing5370
@jekubfimbulwing5370 6 жыл бұрын
Just a note on Blbo Baggins, I remember Basic D&D, Elves were Sword mages, Dwarfs were warriors and Halflings were thieves. So Gary Gygax agrees with you!
@koreanbbq2376
@koreanbbq2376 5 жыл бұрын
Dont know if this was mentioned but Sneak Attack specifies once per turn so that means when it isnt your turn and you have an ability that lets you attack as a reaction, such as Sentinel or the one battlemaster ability that lets you make a reactionary attack if an opponent misses you, you are able to get another sneak attack on that reaction provided the proper conditions are met
@Rincewind_The_Wizzard
@Rincewind_The_Wizzard 5 жыл бұрын
The battlemaster maneuver you are talking about is Riposte. I have it on my 17 swash/3 battlemaster along with parry and distracting strike.
@yiklongtay6029
@yiklongtay6029 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree with your interpretation. Reactions shouldn't be treated like an additional turn. This would mess up other spells and features that describes their effects ending on your next turn. Does using sentinel cause my stunning strike to end prematurely? Justifying a second SA due to your reactions opens up an unwanted can of worms.
@koreanbbq2376
@koreanbbq2376 2 жыл бұрын
@@yiklongtay6029 It isnt an interpretation. You are literally allowed to in the rules, this was also confirmed by Jeremy Crawford.
@johnr7279
@johnr7279 6 жыл бұрын
Cool leveling-up comments on Arya Stark! She went from young royal to street urchin to assassin. DEFINITELY a rouge all the way.
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
We are huge Game of Thrones nerds, and it's a great source for really clear examples of low-level character development!
@tattoorocker
@tattoorocker 4 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with this
@devingilliam5601
@devingilliam5601 6 жыл бұрын
My first d&d character I made was a wood elf rogue. I made his major flaws the two that I have: arrogance, and I enjoy drinking. So seeing this now and looking back at this video makes me want to revisit that character and play with him so more. I put a lot of myself into that character and felt the most connected to him. Love your guys’ videos on the different classes and really going through all the aspects of them. Your bard video really helped mold mine for the campaign my friends and I are starting this coming week and for that you have my thanks. All the best!
@cdfreester
@cdfreester 5 жыл бұрын
Your choice of races is pretty much standard and expected. My first 5th edition character was/is a dwarf rogue. You're right: having Darkvision is very helpful, plus I did not have to worry about Constiution so I was free to spend more points in other areas like Dex and Wis. I know what you're thinking, but I like to go against type.
@tattoorocker
@tattoorocker 4 жыл бұрын
when I was still playing 4e I had a kid play a dwarf rogue in full plate armor
@MaryAlice08
@MaryAlice08 2 жыл бұрын
Actually from the start of your comment saying these races were standard, I was thinking “They clearly ‘aren’t like other rogues’” lol Not sure what you were expecting when you clicked on video saying “rogue guide” though. If they did the section on races and just said “you can be any race” that doesn’t help someone who is looking for suggestions on how to build a rogue. These guys are pretty good about encouraging people to create the characters that speak to them. The title and intro of this video say to me it’s going to go over rogues more broadly, not look at race selection in detail. Its pretty unrealistic to expect them to go through less standard races and explain how you could make them work, that’s a different video mate 🤷‍♀️
@btuthill9653
@btuthill9653 9 ай бұрын
I apologize for the late post. I am getting back to playing after a long absence. I am looking at a Dwarven Rogue build. I was looking at 1) how best to play the dwarf (I’m thinking very similar to Eliot in Leverage) and 2) as a dwarven rogue, can the character use hammers or axes? The dwarf gives proficiency but the rogue usually deals with finesse weapons…
@cdfreester
@cdfreester 9 ай бұрын
@@btuthill9653 1) play the character however the player wants to. I played my dwarf rogue as George Costanza from Seinfeld. 2) The class does not limit the race, so yes, a dwarf rogue in 5e can use dwarven weapons.
@btuthill9653
@btuthill9653 9 ай бұрын
@@cdfreester thanks!
@boyfromoz7
@boyfromoz7 6 жыл бұрын
Swashbuckler's are awesome. All their abilities are useful (make sure you have some charisma to work with). You have to try hard to NOT get sneak attack, you add charisma to initiative at 3rd, panache at 9th allows you to ensure an enemy creature gets disadvantage on anyone but you which is great when your healer or wizard are at deaths door, use you bonus action to get advantage on all acrobatics and athletic checks at 13th and at 17th to turn a miss into another roll with advantage every short rest is broken. Played more rogues than any other class in 5e and this sub-class was absolutely the best . Loads of roll play options as well. I played a pirate (sailor) background half elf to get that charisma. Highly recommend.
@DunantheDefender
@DunantheDefender 5 жыл бұрын
Okay, before you actually started talking about it, I was thinking a perfect example of an unusual rogue is Zorro. And I figured he would be rogue + noble + swashbuckler.
@Logan_Baron
@Logan_Baron 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely Noble Background. Rogue Class. Subclass Swashbuckler.
@foxfire7
@foxfire7 5 жыл бұрын
One of my first character in 5th edition DnD was Thief Rogue with the Acolyte Background, he was an elf trying to recover the relics and items of his people scattered around lands now being encroached on by humans civilizations and such. I even took the feats that let you pick spells (I picked Cleric spells) (along with the arcane trickster subclass)
@telemperor
@telemperor 6 жыл бұрын
Mat Cauthon from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time is definitely a rogue and by the end is a General, a perfect example of a high level rogue.
@NicolasGonzalez-nf6ww
@NicolasGonzalez-nf6ww 6 жыл бұрын
Drinking game: take a shot every time Monty says “right?”
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
We cannot be held responsible for the inevitable alcohol poisoning which will result from playing this game.
@chrisdanieks6875
@chrisdanieks6875 4 жыл бұрын
Or drink for every time they say " we'd be remiss if we dont mention"
@ClintLowe
@ClintLowe 3 жыл бұрын
I died 3 times from alcohol poisoning
@tarvox14
@tarvox14 6 жыл бұрын
My first ever rogue, I used my really sleight of hands skill to secretly give money to my party members while stealing from baddies
@andstephen1416
@andstephen1416 6 жыл бұрын
I’m playing a Rogue / Fighter character at the moment and I love playing him so much he can do so much and we’ve worked him as the party’s primary damage dealer now just because his sneak attack combined with the alert feat is OP
@anthonyhines1644
@anthonyhines1644 5 жыл бұрын
I'm playing in a hell's campaign where my party are devils that work jobs from people who summon us. Im playing a tabaxi arcane trickster. This is a lot of fun. My GM found the idea from someone else but this is so cool he is giving the party some hellish tricks which we activate with hit dice. We've been playing for About a year now. Im 9 lvl arcane trickster with an additional 2 lvl in wizard. Highest lvl character I've ever had. Love this game.
@gregarious_one
@gregarious_one 5 жыл бұрын
I always played and have only played a thief/assassin in D&D and AD&D (80s and 90s); I loved the role and lived it (in the game of course)! Have not yet played 5e but getting back to my roots. Just found your channel and love it... Great content and presentation guys. Subscribed! Go Rogues!
@lt.branwulfram4794
@lt.branwulfram4794 5 жыл бұрын
A Rogue's versatility makes them a good combination when multiclassing with Fighter. I've now got a level 14 Rogue(6)/Fighter(6)/Ranger(2) that's become a gunslinger.
@colespeck3089
@colespeck3089 Жыл бұрын
My rogue used to be a criminal but is now trying to make amends and do the right thing, and whenever he is presented with the opportunity to use his skills to help someone, he usually does it without thinking. I was playing curse of straud and agreed to help Rose and Thorn basically immediately
@Lobomaru02
@Lobomaru02 6 жыл бұрын
I can't believe you didn't mention Ezio Auditore!
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
D'oh! How did we miss that one! I blame Kelly, he's the big AC fan :)
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
Kelly here, I’m actually horrified by this! I’m Literally wearing an assassins creed jacket right now because I love those games so much. I also blame me. Big miss.
@marcosguedes8885
@marcosguedes8885 6 жыл бұрын
My new rogue is based in AC! “We work in the dark to serve the light” “Nothing is true, everything is permitted”
@notapersonjones9145
@notapersonjones9145 6 жыл бұрын
Ezio also multiclasses as a bard. "Lucrezia Lurcrezia had many lovers..."
@cjnogamesplayed259
@cjnogamesplayed259 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah man i was going crazy like out my mind lol
@Comicsluvr
@Comicsluvr 6 жыл бұрын
I think the Inquisitive Rogue is a solid foundation for a Witch Hunter type of character. You're very perceptive (good for finding Witches, Vampires, Necromancers etc) and yet you're certainly not helpless when it comes to putting them down. Sneak up on that Ghoul, Hand Crossbow with the special Holy Water tips, and watch that sweet Sneak Attack damage take them down with a single shot!
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
Love this character concept, I agree, I think it would work especially well in an urban horror campaign where *finding* the villains and monsters is as difficult as actually *fighting* them.
@Comicsluvr
@Comicsluvr 6 жыл бұрын
My GF is running a Rogue currently, likely will go Inquisitive at lvl 3 for the bonuses to find hidden things. Somewhere down the line dip into Ranger (for Preferred Target: Undead) and maybe Paladin for Smiting and Divine Sense.
@Ralyx0
@Ralyx0 5 жыл бұрын
Notably, Rogues can make Sneak Attacks on reaction attacks. With the right build, you can pretty reliably output two Sneak Attacks per round.
@tkeleth2931
@tkeleth2931 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, there's a distinct difference between "once per turn" and "once per round" that I think gets overlooked sometimes
@Whimsical_Realist
@Whimsical_Realist 5 жыл бұрын
I'm playing an eladrin arcane trickster rogue in a campaign I'm in right now. (In-built misty step and the boost to dex are good.) Instead of thievery, I'm a private eye, with expertise in investigation and stealth. I don't like the tendency for corruption in the government, so the only laws I enforce are my moral compass. I tend to fight the criminal underground, but I am not above working with it if I think it's the right thing to do. This is a wonderful example of the narrative versatility of the class. You don't have to steal, or even be morally questionable, to be a rogue.
@Blaize24
@Blaize24 4 жыл бұрын
So a Spencer type of rogue. I like.
@DarkNog
@DarkNog 4 жыл бұрын
38:01 Rogue, noble, swashbucklers are essentially who the Three Musketeers are, aren't they? It completely works.
@zackarychristian9489
@zackarychristian9489 Жыл бұрын
I know this is old, but y'all are some of the only youtubers I'll watch a 30-40 minute video on. Great work.
@torpedodeuce
@torpedodeuce 6 жыл бұрын
Fighters aren't the "big damn hero." That line belongs to Malcolm Reynolds, who is clearly a rogue.
@icare8899
@icare8899 6 жыл бұрын
Rock Gnome rouge with thief archetype is going to make some crazy tinkering tools for help. Just started this one!
@animistchannel2983
@animistchannel2983 6 жыл бұрын
I think my favorite rogue is actually Lord Vetineri, the Patrician of Ankh-Morpork in Diskworld. He combined super-smart stealth, misdirection, controlling information, masterminding plans, choosing his timing & opportunities wisely, and manipulating others into doing his will for him and thinking it was their own idea or ends -- all while keeping himself embedded quietly in the establishment until he was literally in charge of it. He also managed to fulfill his own goals while actually benefitting most of the people most of the time. Best case example of a "lawful good" rogue.
@akrinornoname2769
@akrinornoname2769 5 жыл бұрын
I'd say he's more lawful neutral
@kritique777
@kritique777 6 жыл бұрын
Rogue Noble - Zuko, Avatar the Last Airbender is a good example
@thehalfa95
@thehalfa95 5 жыл бұрын
Zuko would make a great Kenku Rogue. Just keeps shouting “MY HONOR!!!” At people for most of the campaign until he memorized enough Iroh quotes.
@delicathvrenitah4282
@delicathvrenitah4282 4 жыл бұрын
@@thehalfa95 xD
@ericpeterson8732
@ericpeterson8732 6 жыл бұрын
I have a rogue whose whole concept is based on the idea that a-holes don't deserve nice things. Retributive justice. If you're a good person you deserve good things, but jerks deserve to be robbed.
@Scaramanga7
@Scaramanga7 6 жыл бұрын
eric peterson My current Rogue/Thief is much the same. He was a runt in a mining town, and was thrown out of his family, so he only steals what he thinks someone can afford to lose.
@corcolinos
@corcolinos 6 жыл бұрын
Something like Santa Claus :D
@mylesprower3254
@mylesprower3254 6 жыл бұрын
I want to roll a similar rogue, maybe even subclass into paladin of some sort that embodies this robin hood mentality
@sea_triscuit7980
@sea_triscuit7980 6 жыл бұрын
Robin hood was my childhood hero so yeah definitely. I know he classified as a ranger of sorts but overall he holds the same ideals as a rogue.
@davidfasthands474
@davidfasthands474 5 жыл бұрын
Robin Hood
@AlkisGD
@AlkisGD 3 жыл бұрын
I'm two sessions into my first P&P D&D campaign (after years of playing RPGs on PC) and this video was both educational and inspirational. My rogue is a failed merchant Verdan thief who just couldn't stand seeing adventurers with cool shiny gear, living the life, while he and his family traveled from place to place, trading. He loves his family and wants to prove to his folks that he can make it as an adventurer. His flaw is that he wants the best of everything, now. My initial inspiration was the goblin Styx from the series of stealth games, but reading about the Verdan made me change a lot about the character, especially in terms of personality. I've been playing rogues in video games for over 20 years now, and I honestly believe I could go for 200 if I had the lifespan. I simply cannot get enough of the archetype! And there's so much variety in the different flavors of rogue that 200 years might not even be enough :p
@jamesstaton3265
@jamesstaton3265 4 жыл бұрын
Biggest reason I like the Arcane Trickster/Thief archetypes is that they let you make a ninja. Not like a pop culture ninja, but like an actual quiet, support oriented type that primarily contributes by gathering info and setting the stage for everyone else.
@carlosrivera9047
@carlosrivera9047 5 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a guide specific to Arcane Trickster. Spell choices, etc.
@katherineminor3402
@katherineminor3402 5 жыл бұрын
Mirror image invisible sleep disguise self find familiar blur fly mage hand dancing lights prestidignston shocking grasp hold person hypnotic pattern confusion
@tkeleth2931
@tkeleth2931 5 жыл бұрын
if you have more than one other melee player in your group, you can live without find familiar - and depending on your DM, you might really, REALLY need feather fall :)
@richgoetz7525
@richgoetz7525 4 жыл бұрын
Picked a rogue as my first character in my first campaign (still learning) and I intended to make it a kind of comedic/dumb character that would probably die pretty quickly but at least let me get a feel for the game. Problem was I rolled way too high for attributes during the creation of the character with the DM so my lowest attribute was strength with a 14 and now I'm stuck being like a rogue tank for the party. No idea how this happened but it's been pretty amusing and fun so I can't complain.
@peterrasmussen4428
@peterrasmussen4428 4 жыл бұрын
One thing that is very important about the sneak attack, is that there is a difference between turn, and round. In one round, each combatant has one turn, that means one round contains many turns. That means if you find some way to attack outside of your own turn, you can still apply sneak attack, even if you have already sneak attacked on your own turn. The simplest way for this to happen is opportunity attack. But there are other ways too. All the ways to attack outside your turn that I know of, require you to spend your reaction, and you only get one of those per round, so in that way you are still limited.
@eruditecaptain3117
@eruditecaptain3117 5 жыл бұрын
Harrison Ford: Literally every character he plays is a rogue.
@eruditecaptain3117
@eruditecaptain3117 5 жыл бұрын
29:00 I find it funny when people say they always see the Assassin and not other subclasses, because my groups have never had an Assassin in them. I had one player play as three different rogues over the course of three campaigns/one-shots and he played as a Scout, a Swashbuckler, and a Thief. Another player who frequently plays rogue has played every subclass besides Assassin and refuses to play Assassin because, quote, "it just sounds so boring". Personally, I mixed Mastermind into my Battelmaster and was a commander of our little micro-legion.
@beckypynigar6719
@beckypynigar6719 2 жыл бұрын
My rogue was the party loving socialite son of a guild artisan, working as a diplomat. He would show up to the ball/state dinner/party/guildmasters meeting bringing fancy bottles of wine, wearing beautiful tailored suits, and would spend most the evening talking, drinking, dancing and flirting for fun... Then he'd steal your stuff. (Also here to share some love for the thief! Great fun especially if the thieving, sticky-fingered stereotype is something you want to role play as well as just have mechanics for in game)
@nathanschubert3048
@nathanschubert3048 5 жыл бұрын
Remember though, rogues don't have to steal things to be a rogue. Had a good aligned party member who needed an upgrade to his otherwise good knowledge of roleplay.
@shinybugg9156
@shinybugg9156 5 жыл бұрын
I am playing a rogue who joined the party as a favor from a general they helped. She's the royal army's best spy/assassin and lawful good. She's all about helping her people with her amazing skills, and always follows orders from higher ranking officials.
@karenwoolley4279
@karenwoolley4279 4 жыл бұрын
Level 10, never stole a thing, but have l00ted so many crypts/temples that it's basically the same thing.
@Logan_Baron
@Logan_Baron 4 жыл бұрын
I had a rogue in 3rd edition that would be offended to be called a thief. He fell more into the spy, or spy for hire description. Absolutely no skill points in pick pocket. More infiltration specialist. Specializing in disarming traps and picking locks.
@Logan_Baron
@Logan_Baron 4 жыл бұрын
@@karenwoolley4279 If looting crypts is stealing then all the party members are thieves, not just the rogue.
@karenwoolley4279
@karenwoolley4279 4 жыл бұрын
@@Logan_Baron I'm just saying my guy can't take on airs, we have taken everything from enemies that is not nailed down and a few things that were. Sure I'm a rogue that never used sleight of hand, pick pocket, or any of that, but he got rich and it wasn't from tending a shop
@laschicvalisca2481
@laschicvalisca2481 5 жыл бұрын
I think one of the greatest Mastermind rogue characters from TV was Nathan Ford from the show "Leverage." He came up with all the plans and assigned jobs for everyone to accomplish goals to make what they wanted happen. The key skills he had from the archetype would be Master of Tactics, Insightful Manipulator, and Soul of Deceit.
@Druid4099
@Druid4099 5 жыл бұрын
Yes excellent points! To add on to the Mastermind archetype I would say Professor Moriarty from Sherlock Holmes would be a great example of a Mastermind rogue!
@jeremybrooks7415
@jeremybrooks7415 4 жыл бұрын
I think you guys forgot the best pair from literature: Fafryyd and the Grey Mouser.
@CouchMonkeyPumper
@CouchMonkeyPumper 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry for all the comments guys, loving this whole video. My brother's rogue is an entertainer background, actor feat, mastermind, charisma focused. He started a theater company and wormed his way into Waterdeep society he then became the head of the offical waterdeep theater company, by level three he was a principle character in waterdeep society. Never once did he win a combat, he was the sort of character that hits people over the head with flower vases.
@pokemaster5461
@pokemaster5461 6 жыл бұрын
The Swashbuckler is perfect for both Pirates and Fencers like Gomez Addams and Henry Jones Jr. from Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
@patricklyons794
@patricklyons794 6 жыл бұрын
+ImmaFatMan Please! Indiana.
@Rincewind_The_Wizzard
@Rincewind_The_Wizzard 5 жыл бұрын
They are also good for some more unusual ones. I'm currently playing a swashbuckler who is Arabic looking, uses 2 scimitars, and instead of taking an instrument with outlander my DM let me learn to "blade dancer"( I completely forgot swords bard existed). He doesn't care about stealing (not even proficient in slight of hand) and is on a quest to become a sword master before he returns to his village.
@kevinmorris9362
@kevinmorris9362 4 жыл бұрын
I was running a Swashbuckler rogue in a campaign and was surprised by how useful the additional sneak attack criteria was. It let me get up to isolated enemy casters and still sneak attack them to drop them before they became a problem.
@FtonDavid
@FtonDavid 6 жыл бұрын
20:19 I am thinking: Rogue: Sleight of Hand (Arcane Trickster LEGERDEMAIN), Deception, Stealth and Acrobatics Cat's Talent: You have proficiency in the Perception and Stealth skills. Outlander: Athletics, Survival Pick for duplicate: Arcana I do wonder if Feline Agility locks in your speed at 60', then Dash 60', then Cunning Action 60' ... am I even still in the same time zone as those spectres flying after me?
@FtonDavid
@FtonDavid 6 жыл бұрын
Those skills he's not awesome at (low stats in some of them), the proficiency will help you not suck at them. Not optimized, but might help at jack of all trades.
@patricklyons794
@patricklyons794 6 жыл бұрын
@@FtonDavid No. Feline agility lets you double your movement when you move. Not when you take other actions. Also, you can use dash for a cunning action, but the ONLY way you can move 3x is if you take NO OTHER action. Move, use Action for double move, then use cunning action to Dash for 3x move. With Feline Agility, that means for 1 round, you could move 120', or 90' and still attack.
@RokuroCarisu
@RokuroCarisu 5 жыл бұрын
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@michealrice4052
@michealrice4052 3 жыл бұрын
Love this videos you guys do as my DM is having us build backup characters and he is steering me to have that rogue class over my typical fighter or Barbarian build I go for and this helped guide me a little closer towards a build
@erin0033
@erin0033 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, you guys are fantastic! When can we expect the Monk Guide?
@DungeonDudes
@DungeonDudes 6 жыл бұрын
We're aiming to finish all the class guides this summer, so perhaps we will see the Monk Guide in June? Kelly is playing a Shadow Monk right now, so we've got LOTS of great advice!
@erin0033
@erin0033 6 жыл бұрын
Can't wait!
@alfredoalvear3119
@alfredoalvear3119 5 жыл бұрын
Love my tabaxi rouge (arcane trickster)/cleric (trickster). 😊 Almost always at advantage - sneak attacks galore. Always obsessed about the next adventure.
@wolfskinchanger
@wolfskinchanger 5 жыл бұрын
How do you speak of rogues in video games and not mention Sly Cooper? The skills he learned from the Thievius Raccoonus make him a perfect example of an arcane trickster.
@KuittheGeek
@KuittheGeek 3 жыл бұрын
I have just started playing within the last year, and I started a halfling rogue. One of our best moments to date was when our small party (3 PC's) was battling some sirens, and my other party members were unconscious. I really needed a hit to kill one of the sirens, and I rolled a nat 1. Halfling luck and I reroll a nat 20 dealing some devastating critical damage and killed the siren out right. My DM couldn't believe it, and my party burst out cheering. Such a great time and so much fun.
@domlewis4461
@domlewis4461 6 жыл бұрын
I Really like the idea of a sherlock style character with the inquisitive sub class and taking more wisdom and intelligence over dexterity and with the insightful fighting ability i just imagine that moment in the fight pit scene in the robert downey jr sherlock film, im thinking of playing this style of character the role play would be so fun.
@stuartlaws9977
@stuartlaws9977 5 жыл бұрын
Oh man this is great. I always saw a shadow monk 6/ inquisitive as Batman. But with way of the open hand is definitely wing chun six pack Sherlock
@TheTrueCelt28
@TheTrueCelt28 4 жыл бұрын
I'm just coming back to D&D. Thanks for being awesomely approachable with your videos. First Character in 10+ years is a 5e roque, ex Soldier looking to Build a reputation as the drinking/brewing adventuring type. Only here for the Gold to get his brewery up and running. Soldier gives me the advantage of treating party members like they are part of his unit and the "hooch" brewing he did in the unit was stellar. now the backstory allows for a persuasive game play making my knowledge of home brewing come in quite handy. cheers
@NightdrifterDK
@NightdrifterDK 5 жыл бұрын
10/10 I'm always going for the Arcane Trickster cause I love spells
@xezzee
@xezzee 4 жыл бұрын
Which spells do you prefer, beside Find Familiar?
@NightdrifterDK
@NightdrifterDK 4 жыл бұрын
@@xezzee Prestidigitation, , Minor Illusion, Shape Water, Silent Image, Invisibility, Misty Step. Basically just a bunch of utility stuff
@xezzee
@xezzee 4 жыл бұрын
@@NightdrifterDK Neat I found my self liking Sleep and Find familiar most ^_^ having 100% uptime as melee on sneak dmg is handy and taking weak minions or one caster out at the start is quite useful. How would you use Shape water spell?
@shinybugg9156
@shinybugg9156 5 жыл бұрын
I just want to let you know I love your videos. I've been playing for about a year and they are so helpful
@WayneBraack
@WayneBraack 4 жыл бұрын
Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser .. more influence on DnD than almost anything. From the novels of Jack Vance, taking place in the world of Nehwon which had it's own mythos in the original Deities and Demigods. It was quickly removed on copyright grounds as was the Melnibonean mythos or the world of Elric for those who've never read the tales of the eternal champion. I have a copy with both mythos. I'm that old school kids.
@sparks3705
@sparks3705 4 жыл бұрын
The Arcane Trickster is hands down the most versatile rogue, imo. Illusion magic plus rogue stuff equals lots of fun. I've played every rogue type mentioned in this video except the assassin. I always look at it... and every time I think I might play it, I think it's just a one trick wonder that may or may not even get to do the trick. The arcane trickster can get a familiar to do a help action, make himself invisible, cast fairy fire, and lots of other useful things to give himself advantage. The owl is the perfect familiar for utilizing the help action with since it can't provoke an attack opportunity. The arcane trickster can disguise himself with magic and do his thing while looking like someone else. The list of usefulness the arcane trickster can do is almost endless. Then you look at the assassin... So bland... Great video, guys. I know I'm late to the party, but it's been fun watching you two chat about D&D.
@brunobeltranbelmonte755
@brunobeltranbelmonte755 5 жыл бұрын
More cool rogue characters for inspiration: Tom cruise from mission impossible. Puss in boots from Shrek. Loki from Thor (as a rougue he would be an arcane trickster but also can be a wizard warlock or whatever). And probably the best of this list: Miguel and Tulio from El Dorado. or Sherlock Holmes
@MrGoulio
@MrGoulio 5 жыл бұрын
In El Dorado, one was a rogue, the other a bard. Can't recall which, but they definitely weren't both rogues.
@ivansakal1224
@ivansakal1224 5 жыл бұрын
We just started a new campaign. I made a sherlock holmes like character with mentalist like backstory. Can't wait to get into the plot!
@SH-qs7ee
@SH-qs7ee 5 жыл бұрын
For me the prefect rogue was Jimmy the Hand, from Raymond E Feist's Riftwar Saga. Guy was everything you expect a stereotypical thief to be; he was skilled, had a cocky brashness mixed with a healthy dose of caution when required.
@sonderingkayla
@sonderingkayla 5 жыл бұрын
I love that you put a link to the flow chart!
@cirquedumushroom
@cirquedumushroom 6 жыл бұрын
Didnt talk about many inspirations in books, like the lies of locke lamora and the way of shadows series. Lamora being that great hiest and thief example, and kyler stern being the ultimate and complex assassin.
@RJThyme
@RJThyme 6 жыл бұрын
I play a 6th level rogue. It was interesting to hear you talk about the alcoholic rogue. My character is addicted to smoking the devils weed. When done this triggers a random effect. It's been such a fun way to make the game more unexpected for everyone that a few other charcters started doing it with mine in game... it's gotten us into and out of a lot of trouble but keeps things interesting and creates a really nice character arch. Great video!
@nightflame69
@nightflame69 5 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t Laura Croft be considered a rogue?
@SH-qs7ee
@SH-qs7ee 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same, either that or ranger, especially in the newer gamers
@RoadsideCouch
@RoadsideCouch 5 жыл бұрын
The mentioned tomb robber in the opening.
@humanmale02
@humanmale02 4 жыл бұрын
I was a bit shocked to hear the comments about "Rogues not requiring feats". While this is technically true I don't think it really tells the whole story. A Rogue CAN function completely without Feats and still be great; however they benefit from some Feats so tremendously I am shocked they didn't get a mention. One in particular is part of the best aspect of the Assassin subclass as well (which also didn't get mentioned). Assassin: You have advantage on attack rolls against any creature that hasn’t taken a turn in the combat yet. Sure, you could always use your bonus action to Hide and then attack with advantage like every other Rogue OR if you go before them get your free sneak attack and following that take the bonus action to Hide and that way you can maintain your Unseen Attacker advantage until someone looks for you until the start of your next turn. Obviously to gain the benefit of this tactic you're going to want high initiative and the best feat for this is obviously the Alert feat. Now you could delay your bonus to Dexterity to gain this feat but that would drop your chance to hit, your chance to stealth and the increase would only be a net of +4 to initiative. Being a Human however does not. This is before we even consider the obvious damage dealing behemoth Feat: Sharpshooter. Not only does the natural "attack with advantage" offset the negative to hit making it a perfect fit for Rogue, but it takes a "2d6+3" sort of level 1 damage to a "2d6+13"!!! Further if you ever attack with disadvantage you do not gain the benefit of your sneak attack. The range on your short bow is good, but reducing the chance that you'll make that attack at disadvantage is worth this Feat on its own. The Skulker feat is incredibly amazing for a Rogue. Being able to make stealth rolls without cover is sensational. Dim light is extremely common in dungeons. If someone relies on Darkvision, you can hide right in front of their face, if you miss an attack it doesn't reveal your position. Brilliant! I'm also a big fan of the Prodigy and to a lesser extent Skilled feats on Rogues. Their level 11 ability to treat any skill they're proficient in as a minimum of 10 on the dice is so incredibly underrated and both of these feats give you a lot more skills to add this ability to. Considering the DC for most checks in every published adventure fall well below the 20 mark this reduces any risk of you being faced with a skill challenge you cannot overcome.
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