Dust Collection System Upgrade

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Michael Alm (ALM FAB)

Michael Alm (ALM FAB)

Күн бұрын

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@DwightMartin-z6h
@DwightMartin-z6h 3 ай бұрын
Clearview cyclones are great. I have had one for about 15 years. Best tool in the shop. One addition, be sure to add a magnet to your floor sweep pickup. You do not want metal parts sparking in a dust cloud. Good ideas here, thanks!
@kevinwilliams2462
@kevinwilliams2462 4 жыл бұрын
First, great video. Clear voice-over, simple camera angles, and very informative. Second, in my opinion people should start calling out the predatory companies like the one that tried to charge you triple of what another store charged you. Hell, mention them both so local folks know where to shop and where to avoid.
@danroscigno187
@danroscigno187 4 жыл бұрын
mounting that quick change to the wall is brilliant. No blast gate or cap needed, it never passes air until you pull it from the wall. Great idea, and I will do the same (setting up mine over the next couple weeks).
@JeffreyMoon1974
@JeffreyMoon1974 11 ай бұрын
I've given a lot of thought recently to updating the layout of my shop, including the addition of better dust collection. I have the Dust Right 650 wall-mounted with just the 4" expandable hose that I swap between tools. I'm watching this almost four years to the day you posted it, and this has given me some great ideas on a direction to take. Thank you!
@csimet
@csimet 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job. I just finished my system... 6" main run to the center of my shop, a 6" to dual 4" y-pipe (came with my Grizzly) for sub-runs to my two main tool areas and then with blast gate controlled branches to each tool's flex hose final (4" and 2.5"). I used SDR 35 pipe and found the easiest way to cut it by drilling a small hole and using a jigsaw. SDR 35 pipe and fittings are so much cheaper than schedule 40... about half the cost. My system works great... Grizzly G0944 with an Oneida Super Dust Deputy XL (6" inlet/outlet), wall mounted with easy to remove bin under the Oneida.
@billhunt2086
@billhunt2086 4 жыл бұрын
In my experience, if you drop straight down to each tool (as in the example above), they each act as interceptor collecting bin (you've basically built a venturi port). Dust from the farthest tool can't jump that gap and ends up pooling in the adjacent tool drop. The trick is to have at least a short horizontal section at each fork, so dust heading to the collector doesn't have to jump across any down-pipes... cause it won't! A buddy of mine, who built his as shown above, has to now run around his shop, starting from the farthest tool, and open and close each gate to get the dust to hop from one tool drop to the next on the way to the collector!
@positiveaspect5730
@positiveaspect5730 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always. I've cut a lot of large PVC pipe on a table saw. The easiest way is to use a sled and a stop block. Push the sled and pipe into the blade and then rotate the pipe slowly with your fingers and you get a perfect 360 degree cut.
@rksmith5273
@rksmith5273 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this video. Well executed, no waste of time and you actually showed the results with each of your machines. I appreciate that. I am trying to figure out how to set up a dust collection system in a new shop I am having built. It's a 50x60 workshop and my first project is dust collection. This video will help me with that project. Thank you for posting and you have earned another subscriber.
@Tibbon
@Tibbon 3 жыл бұрын
I just finished building a 4" thin wall PVC system for my shop. Just using a 2hp HF collector, but it's a tiny shop and on a budget. Still feels awesome!
@imogen1
@imogen1 4 жыл бұрын
Having grown up pushing boards through table-saws with scraps, that little board pusher you have there is pretty neat.
@bkp100
@bkp100 4 жыл бұрын
Really nice install, and great shop layout -- wish I had that much space. I built a 4" system last year (my vacuum could never handle 6" ducting), and, all the parts came from Rockler as well (I'm lucky to have one just a few miles away). I did find one issue with the 4" plastic blast gates, that you may or may not run into with the 6" version. On the gates that service the more heavily used equipment (table saw, universal port, chop saw) the dust would collect in the groove that the gate slides into. After a while the gate wouldn't close completely, and suction would suffer, so I'd be constantly cleaning out those grooves with a screwdriver, or awl... Finally, I replaced the plastic gates with metal, self-cleaning blast gates from Lee Valley. Pricier, but worth it to me. No more issues. Anyway, great video... enjoy the new system.
@ericsimpson4045
@ericsimpson4045 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure what is about this video but its so clean, precise and clear information. Very effecient! Thank you, a project I need to tackle👍🏻
@gregorybondi5220
@gregorybondi5220 4 жыл бұрын
I am so envious of your shop and this dust collection. Though I couldnt use it myself (handicapped), I know that I would if I could AND I know you are going to be very happy with it. Enjoy the extra time woodworking instead of raw cleaning!
@eamonconheady9855
@eamonconheady9855 4 жыл бұрын
Ah man this is a great install I’ve been putting mine in to my basement shop with low ceilings. It would be so nice to have this much headspace for routing pipes! Thanks for your show!
@throwback336
@throwback336 3 жыл бұрын
I just came across your channel. I love it! I'm taking one end of one of the buildings of the dairy farm I recently bought and turning it into my woodworking shop, 36' x 36'. (A guy needs a get-away.) I have questioned my dust collection from day one. I think you just answered it. Great job. I look forward to your content.
@dadygee
@dadygee 4 жыл бұрын
We live in a world with instant messages, we watch instructions seconds on our computers from across the globe.. But dust collection.. We still live in the stone age here in Sweden with our shopvacs and the old hose-impeller bag/filter bag.. Showed my cyclone for a 2" pipe to my dad and he couldnt belive his eyes.. It was like magic..
@Joeyjupiter123
@Joeyjupiter123 4 жыл бұрын
Great job love the way you made the brackets it's like having a giant wet vac for the whole shop. Being that saw dust is flammable I would look into some fire prevention system just in case. Love you're shop.
4 жыл бұрын
Hello my friend. One of the most important systems of the workshops is dust collection. Dust and shavings are also a big problem in my workshop. Improving the dust collection system will create a comfortable workspace for you. Thank you for the system and information. Congratulations. Good ideas. Thank you for sharing. Warm hug. Great greetings....
@joelegrand5903
@joelegrand5903 4 жыл бұрын
Great build. I worked in a dry food plant, we had metal vacuum system from Hoffman, went to PVC system then back to metal.The biggest problem was static electricity, we solved that with sheet metal screws into the vacuum stream, then attached to copper wire & grounded on conduit or metal poles. The PVC pipe got holes in it much sooner the metal pipe, that the reason we went back to metal. That may not be a problem for you, because we had truck load of salt & sand like waste that cut/ground though the pipe. You have saw dust & wood chips, but I wanted to make you aware of the potential problems. I have never worked in a wood shop with PVC systems, all I worked in had no vacuum system or they had all metal. I am building a small shop for a friend on his farm & we will look at Rockler when we do.
@trailbuilderXC
@trailbuilderXC 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I just built my own 810sqft shop for woodworking. I started with a cyclone dust collection for my shop vac. So so results. I have been think about a more polished functional dust collection system and your video has me inspired. Love the wooden brackets over metal strapping. Keep the videos coming. Subscribed.
@MrLTSLogan
@MrLTSLogan 4 жыл бұрын
I know you said your router table already had great DC, but you can make it even better by using an insert with a bigger hole. It won't affect the safety unless your working with really small wood
@MrLTSLogan
@MrLTSLogan 4 жыл бұрын
@Yo MamaWhy is that incorrect?
@viziondfc
@viziondfc 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t know how you don’t have more subscribers. This video was a great watch!
@oldstudbuck3583
@oldstudbuck3583 3 жыл бұрын
Your an artist/craftsman with everything you do.
@CarpenterCore
@CarpenterCore 3 жыл бұрын
It's Feb 2021 and I've been dealing with shortages of just about everything. I checked over a half dozen local plumbing pipe distributors and no one had 6" thin wall PVC. I finally found SDR 35 at a yard specializing in sewer and drain, mostly used for road construction. They had a great price too.
@Electric_Snap
@Electric_Snap 4 жыл бұрын
12:31 The silicone tape is the real hero here and looks like it came in handy.....quite handy indeed. Fantastic for re attachment of.. separate tissues. Its properties make it effortless due to the unique way in which it adheres to the human cells. Not only is it effective and inexpensive but its also sexy. The air cleaner was great too. Thank.
@EagleMacCassady
@EagleMacCassady 4 жыл бұрын
Nice system and not sure if anyone mentioned this, but when you use PVC for dust collection, you should ground the PVC, PVC is very prone to generating a static charge when air is moving along the inside of it, along with charged particles of wood and other debris. This static can build-up to the point where it arcs to ground unexpectedly. With the right combination of materials and oxygen levels, this can cause a dust fire or an explosion to occur.
@chrisjohnson6482
@chrisjohnson6482 4 жыл бұрын
There are zero reported cases of this ever happening. This is an urban legend. At most you get a little shock when you touch the pipe.
@majstrujeme8352
@majstrujeme8352 4 жыл бұрын
@@chrisjohnson6482 I can confirm this is not urban legend. I do not know about USA but I have personally spoken to the electrical certification person that was part of explosion investigation. MDF dust especially is a problem. Small shops like this might get away with this but anything bigger like a 5 person shop will generate enough of static to be a potential problem. Ground it or use spiro metal tubing and groud that. I personally would use the adaptors reducers traps and go with metal spiro tubing. easy to ground no shocks fire proof.
@chrisjohnson6482
@chrisjohnson6482 4 жыл бұрын
@@majstrujeme8352 hard to say what the causing factors were in that anecdotal third party telling of a tale. You cannot ground pvc even if you wanted to. And there would need to be a concentration of fine dust that is so thick you cannot see through it for it to be dense enough to combust. Plus again there are zero reported proven cases of it ever happening. That you heard about something like it happening maybe once doesn't concretely prove anything Then again, I am not here to tell you what to do in your own shop. If you want to wrap wire around your pvc and pretend you are "grounding" it be my guest
@majstrujeme8352
@majstrujeme8352 4 жыл бұрын
@@chrisjohnson6482 I would use metal round duct pipe and you are mistaking sawdust for MDF particles. It is not anecdotal. The plan is to test again in lab and possibly classify wood shops processing MDF as explosive area for electrical wiring. Because you didn't see it doesn't mean it's not real. I am perfectly aware that grounding PVC pipe does nothing. Unless you would completely wrap it in aluminum foil. I am not wood worker I am electrician that was at the electrical wiring safety board recert.
@chrisjohnson6482
@chrisjohnson6482 4 жыл бұрын
@@majstrujeme8352 I meant any fine dust particles. Again there have been zero substantiated cases. But you should still feel free to do whatever you want to do
@emremutlu44
@emremutlu44 4 жыл бұрын
Very satisfying to watch... I think things getting cleaned is also satisfying to watch :)
@chuck5085
@chuck5085 4 ай бұрын
"Leave it cleaner than you found it".
@HeathFluent
@HeathFluent 3 жыл бұрын
New woodworker here.... definitely taking notes!! Nice work! Thanks for all the content!
@Marksmal
@Marksmal 3 жыл бұрын
Really awesome system, really satisfying to watch it come together and work. I can't wait to have something like this in my factory one day
@katzmosestools
@katzmosestools 4 жыл бұрын
Great video bud. I wish I had known about that silicon tape when I did mine.
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude! Yeah that was a tip from someone on instagram, and he told me just in time. I really didn't want to foil tape it. See you at WBC?
@katzmosestools
@katzmosestools 4 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelAlm yeah. Come to my talk!
@ddaveeddd
@ddaveeddd 3 жыл бұрын
same
@robbie6625
@robbie6625 3 жыл бұрын
@@katzmosestools If only we knew then, what we know now... I'm guessing the conference didn't happen?
@9avedon
@9avedon 4 жыл бұрын
Great video ! Six inch is the way to go. Original dust collector also works great with 6 inch pipes. Plumbing supply in Belleville Ontario Canada selling one 4" by 6" reducer for $56 Canadian . Using 10 ft flexible until I can source reasonable prices on earth.
@aaronhardebeck727
@aaronhardebeck727 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Ive got my dust collector plumbed with the same pvc material, I’ve ran into a little problem with static electricity building up on the pipe. I was worried about how this could possibly be a fire hazard so I thought I’d try to remedy it by drilling a small hole (3/16) or so every 8’ and installing a ground wire into the inside of the pipe about an inch or so. I then silicone the hole shut and run the other end of the wire to a grounded surface (I used metal conduit for my shop wiring so I grounded to that... works perfectly. Thanks again for all the great videos
@stacystarnes1449
@stacystarnes1449 2 жыл бұрын
Hows your dust build from your static electricity remedy?
@TreeOfLifeWoodworking
@TreeOfLifeWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Just installed my CV1800 over the weekend. Great unit
@austinvickymoore3656
@austinvickymoore3656 2 жыл бұрын
Cool system have a feeling this would work great in my shop.... start saving now...
@geon1naz
@geon1naz 3 жыл бұрын
To elevate the static buildup on the PVC, Buy a roll of #18 stranded bare wire and tie one end onto a tennis ball start your dust collection up then feed the tennis ball into the farthest end of your system and feed the wire as the ball travels through the system. When it come out the end at your collector tie the wire off to ground. this will drain off the static and keep your shop safe from fire.
@patrickretsel7048
@patrickretsel7048 3 жыл бұрын
Great job buddy, not seen to many 6” main track too often....looks awesome too..😎
@FigmentsMade
@FigmentsMade 4 жыл бұрын
That is looking slick! Using the silicone tape for the seams is such a good idea. It looks so clean!
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sharon! Yeah that stuff is pretty perfect. I really didn’t want to cover the pipes in foil tape 😬
@jwjenkins421
@jwjenkins421 3 жыл бұрын
This is very clean and seems to have plenty of power.
@rockbandgamer
@rockbandgamer 4 жыл бұрын
Your dust collection system is ideal bro. Crafted workshops recent dust collection setup is completely laughable. He spent money everywhere he could (took sponsorship) and had so many ceiling drops with expandable hose that it looked like a Slinky action zone. Yours is clean looking and it seems to work good.
@SSBailey77845
@SSBailey77845 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job. My old system used the thin wall 4” PVC pipe but I never figured the 6” would be so effective. It must be a volume thing 🧐 I’m with Katz Man…love that tape!
@tyyoung4104
@tyyoung4104 3 жыл бұрын
Really nice job. My only question: are going to run a grounding wire around the outside of your pvc pipe; it's my understanding that pvc creates a lot of static, which can be dangerous (flash) in a woodworking shop?
@AxGryndr
@AxGryndr 2 жыл бұрын
This is a myth. Small shops like this where one tool is being used at a time do no generate enough dust to cause an issue.
@peterstrub5546
@peterstrub5546 2 жыл бұрын
What about the static build up in the PVC piping? With metal piping, you can have grounding spots to arrest any ignition.
@Chuck_Burke
@Chuck_Burke 6 ай бұрын
WOW....what an awesome video. I'm impressed....and I seriously appreciate your time and information.
@beebob1279
@beebob1279 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice. But would it be easier to either have a portable collection system or on flexible hose that hooks up to the machines? I'm looking at a collection system myself. This is more extensive than what I would need
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 4 жыл бұрын
That’s what my old system was. It’s definitely a good entry point, but after a while it’s cumbersome. This is my upgrade and I don’t even have to think about it now. Never had a clog
@dwn3576
@dwn3576 4 жыл бұрын
if you place some small casters upside down on either side of the cut and pipe, then you can create a roller for the pipe to roll on as you cut the pipe on the saw. Makes easy work out of that .
@williamellis8993
@williamellis8993 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Michael. It looks great. I'm not going to preach on grounding since many others have. I have three comments. First, were 90 degree sweep elbows available? They would have been better. Second, Rockler has a dust chute for the router table when cutting dadoes. Third, it would have been easier to glue the boards together before cutting when making the supports. Thanks for indulging me.
@bs838
@bs838 4 жыл бұрын
and how would you propose separating the plywood once they're all cut out?
@williamellis8993
@williamellis8993 4 жыл бұрын
@@bs838 Only glue two groups of two together and leave the middle unglued. That way groups of two will be cut out.
@papsroyalapiary9668
@papsroyalapiary9668 4 жыл бұрын
Nice work, it looks super; I got the clearvue max with 8" outlet, I couldn't be happier, that thing works just like the 30K big monster I use to have outside of one of my past shops; people chime in about the static, there might be some truth to it, I never had an issue, one time my guys forgot to empty the drum and it backed up into the filter it was that much stuff in it, never burst into flames or exploded like some claim it might, I did pay the 1000+ for all the piping with thicker walls, I had the experience in my other setups to have the thin wall vibrate somewhat so I went with the thicker material, pretty pricy, especially once you climb to 8" diameter in pipe and some elbows until you drop to 6" and 4"; I also caged my cyclone for noise purpose, very minimal noise to deal with; I got quite a lot of stuff attached to it, the favorite is my back to back 5Hp rip saw and 3Hp dedicated dado station, both sawstop units, I love those things, I was a powermatic diehard for a long time, still have a bunch of them but the saws, switched to sawstop saws, piece of mind for me when I have my guys working on them, not the the rest of the tools are not as dangerous, I guess is just a mental thing. Congratulation on your setup, very nicely done. Dan
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan! Sounds like a heck of a setup you have!!
@papsroyalapiary9668
@papsroyalapiary9668 4 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelAlm you are correct my friend, and wouldn't give it for nothing in the world, lol.
@roberthodge7802
@roberthodge7802 4 жыл бұрын
very nice install. rollin easy is hard to beat.
@baldurkuhn1
@baldurkuhn1 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. One question, why is it that many people use these larger pipes or hoses for their system? Wouldn't a smaller diameter increase suction power? Thanks.
@PeterKertesz2013
@PeterKertesz2013 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Alm you lucky mo 😀👍👍👍🍻 Awesome workshop and video you have made!!
@myxology
@myxology 25 күн бұрын
Would you mind sharing how that silicon tape has held up the last four years? I’m wondering if the dust has eventually caused gaps in the system.
@laszlobanyay651
@laszlobanyay651 4 жыл бұрын
Nice sistem mate, but You have to protect the tubes against the STATIC charge, because its made from PVC and You can make a huge FIRE with it.
@jlehm
@jlehm 4 жыл бұрын
László Bányay I’m surprised more people aren’t mentioning this.
@thecheeta
@thecheeta 4 жыл бұрын
This is not necessarily true. In order to generate the dust/air ratio you would need for any concern, you would have to generate more saw dust than almost any single woodworking machine could create. There is no known instance of any instance of a dust collection system in a small to medium shop creating a fire or explosion.
@jlehm
@jlehm 4 жыл бұрын
Steve Costello seems like it would be better to be safe than sorry. Especially when it’s so easy and inexpensive.
@LoneOakWoodworks
@LoneOakWoodworks 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like it all turned out fantastic. I was watching to the end to see if you would have enough velocity with 6" drops but you have enough cfm that it worked out great. For others adding piping like this make sure the piping is sized for the cfm, for dust collection you need enough velocity to keep the dust and chips airborne and not have them drop out and start clogging the duct. The length of the duct along with every turn and the amount of vertical rise all reduce system capacity so calculate before shelling out for parts!
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I followed the suggestions from ClearVue an I seemed to be well within spec, but this is very good advice. Thanks!
@AxGryndr
@AxGryndr 2 жыл бұрын
The ClearVue system uses the larger 5Hp motor and 15" or 16" impeller. This is all based on the research that Bill Pentz has done over the years.
@charnoldbronsonegger53
@charnoldbronsonegger53 4 жыл бұрын
@Michael Alm At 3:47 why didn't you just use the riving knife as a guide for the cut? Cut deep enough so that riving knife enters the first cutline and then just spin the pipe while pressing it against the cross-cut sled shoulder..
@grimkupid8478
@grimkupid8478 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome set up, was curious as to how you'd secure the pipes to each other, but I tend to think of water lines when using PVC. My question on this setup is what will you do with the collected saw dust? just get rid of it? or is there some way to reuse it? Thanks
@ALadCalledPruitt
@ALadCalledPruitt 4 жыл бұрын
Chuck it in a bucket of resin and make more stuff
@dimensionswoodworks
@dimensionswoodworks 3 жыл бұрын
So i see a lot of guys using the green sewer and drain pipe, i would prefer the all white look also if it’s doable. Do you have any disadvantages from using the thinner walled pipe ?
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 3 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of people use the green pipe because it's cheeper in some areas. The white pipe was cheeper here. I haven't had any issues with it.
@KathyAndrew
@KathyAndrew 5 ай бұрын
If you want to supercharge your system, make an outside dump for your exhaust air. I did it for my 3hp cyclone system, and used 8" pipe to make an outside dump. Built it like a dryer vent, so it doesn't leak rain in, and made a 8" blast gate so I can use the filter on really cold or really hot days. Doubles your air flow when you don't use the filter. And only time it puts dust outside is if you run your barrel over. Puts that really fine dust outside so you don't have to breathe it.
@lizzo001
@lizzo001 4 жыл бұрын
Nice looking system. Only issues I have is those gates. They are prone to collecting dust and chips and will sooner or later block up making the gate not shut correctly. Also static is a big thing to think about.
@GoMbc
@GoMbc 4 жыл бұрын
impressed by the system. i am gone make it soon to my workshop. thanks for idea.
@danroscigno187
@danroscigno187 4 жыл бұрын
I find that an oscillating tool cuts through the PVC very nicely. I don't like cutting round things on my saw.
@gordonmckenzie2982
@gordonmckenzie2982 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve read that one should use horizontal header connections instead of making bottom connections - to avoid dust n chips dropping down into the downstream branches. Did you notice any issues along these lines?
@dinoem
@dinoem 4 жыл бұрын
I've seen other youtube video builds like this and they installed some wires to prevent static electricity. I also have a small cyclone which also has instructions to connect a wire and a washer to touch the floor to prevent static electricity. Does your system have this feature built in? Because I didn't see any wires as part of the build.
@moth.monster
@moth.monster 4 жыл бұрын
The fear of static electricity is really just anxiety. The chance of a dust explosion happening from static in something like a dust colletor is basically nothing, compared to, say, cutting your finger off at the miter saw.
@davidhorizon8401
@davidhorizon8401 4 жыл бұрын
I was wondering about this too. I always thought that if you had a good system, it would transport the dust quickly and not let it build up enough to worry about an explosion. However so many people put in static removal wires that I have never been convinced either way.
@crossgrainwoodproductsltd9230
@crossgrainwoodproductsltd9230 4 жыл бұрын
@@davidhorizon8401 Most sawdust explosions occur at commercial factories where there are hundreds of pounds of dust moving at once. Home shops just don't create enough sawdust to cause such explosions. Plus most modern machinery including the dust collector is grounded enough to prevent that from happening. Grounding is not an expensive thing to do if your that worried about it, but it's not necessary.
@TwistedTwineWoodworking
@TwistedTwineWoodworking 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video and great timing as we’re tackling dust collection in my shop this weekend!!
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Good luck!!
@docpalo2011
@docpalo2011 Жыл бұрын
Are you concerned about static discharge?
@stephandelange1776
@stephandelange1776 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, first let me say that I really liked your video. It gave me a lot to think about, it was pretty instructive. But I have a couple of questions. One is ask about the piping! PVC vs the flexible hoses. Now I know that the ridges of the flexhose affect the pressurized suction. But let's just say, I have a very small shop "a bedroom turned into a shop, small shop to be exact", and I have a fair amount of flexible hose, and I want to build my dust collection system. It Would be for about 6 tools, or 6 hoses, 4 tools, and 2 loose hoses for hand tools and clean up. So meaning 6 Blast-Gates. Now here's the first question. If I would cut the flexible hoses, so they would reach each separate connector, to each Y connector "precisely" fairly tight, no bending of the hoses. They would fit pretty much to the exact length. Could it do as good OR close to as good as the PVC "as a some-what substitute" OR even as tight as possible the ridges would still cause a certain amount of loss of suction? And 2nd. My Shop-Vac is a 2 1/2" hose 6.5HP. Now, Should I use 2 1/2" PVC piping all around? Or should I use a widener and use 4" pipping? Should I get better suction with the 4" or it would be the exact same with the 2 1/2"? Please give me your professional opinion! I have 1 shot, so I need to do this right. Thanks for your time and great video. Thumbs Up!
@craigmonteforte1478
@craigmonteforte1478 4 жыл бұрын
Sweet System and Install ! What a huge improvement nice work om all the Custom brackets
@kraken509
@kraken509 4 жыл бұрын
I like the brackets you made much more then the ghetto nylon strapping I used with my clearvue ducting
@stuffoflardohfortheloveof
@stuffoflardohfortheloveof 4 жыл бұрын
Just thought I’d share my experience. My system has 4” pipes and 4” blast gates like yours......I found out very quickly that those blast gates very often got clogged up in the back corners and so would not shut fully.....for weeks I put up with using a bent piece of wire that I would wangle into the rear corners to try and pry/flick out the offending offcuts/packed sawdust. The only way I got to a final solution was through complete frustration in having to regularly clean one or two out at a time. I ended up carefully breaking every one of them apart (I have 10)......looked like hot glue bonding......and simply chamfered the 90 degree back corners of the moving/closure plate (ie from 90 to 45). Hot glue and mastic them back together and, touch wood, years later I rarely get an issue. It seems that by having square corners on the closure plate allowed small particles to settle, followed, in time, by my more small particles etc etc. All would then end up getting packed into the corners when the gates were opened and closed which then stopped the plate from fully closing, reducing suction everywhere else. The chamfering seems to provide enough extra space to allow any small particles to be sucked away before any serious packing takes place. The chamfering obviously isn’t large enough to compromise the complete closing of the pipe area. Works well now.
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 4 жыл бұрын
Good to know, Thank you!!
@MarkJonesRanger
@MarkJonesRanger 4 жыл бұрын
Drill a 1/4" hole with a steel bit at the corners of the plate it will still seal up and the sawdust falls out of the holes. You don't have to take the blast gates apart. Just a quick drill and your set.
@stuffoflardohfortheloveof
@stuffoflardohfortheloveof 4 жыл бұрын
MarkJonesRanger Drilling holes won’t reseal when the gate is open. How can they? And even if they did you’d still be left with the original packing problem when they did...ok, it would be easier to clear but not an effective CURE. As you may be aware, any leaks reduce the effectiveness of the whole system and if you have long runs (like mine) it’s very noticeable. The dismantling of each gate (in my experience anyway) was surprisingly easy as they ‘popped’ open by using a small flat blade screwdriver . Hot glue or mastic resealed them very well.
@MarkJonesRanger
@MarkJonesRanger 4 жыл бұрын
Just open the slide before you drill it seals up when it's closed. Works great. No need to reseal stuff at all.
@MarkJonesRanger
@MarkJonesRanger 4 жыл бұрын
I saw this on a link several years ago. It works great. I am sorry I didn't make it clear to open the gate before you drill the holes in the two corners where the sliding gate pushes the dust to. I had no more gate issues after doing this. Didn't even have to take them off the tools just a quick fix on each machine. Making jigs for the tools I have learned to give that dust a way to get out and this fixes those gates. Before I did this they were swelling and wouldn't close. I looked for the guy that had the original idea for a bit but didn't' find them. I modified my first gate to make sure it worked and then quickly did it to the rest of them.
@candesearl
@candesearl 4 жыл бұрын
Michael, Well done!! I know this is just minutia, but you did a good job using good grammar. No one pays attention to that any more, but you do....thank you. Also, I liked your background music, not heavy metal, or rock. I want to pay attention to what you are doing and saying without distracting background music...thank you. Thanks for the details. :-)
@ruizd14
@ruizd14 4 жыл бұрын
that is a nice DC setup. Question: when you use the 2 1/2" port for the sander does the system bog down or the vacuum suction get reduced or do you leave one of the other blast gates open? I ask because you are going from a 6" pipe down to a 2 1/2" and that must mean your CFM goes down too, no?
@joedance14
@joedance14 5 ай бұрын
Had to watch again! What kind of pipe did you use? DWV? All I heard was “thin wall”. I would also love to learn more about how the motor was rigged for the lift. Thanks again!
@jaycee7901
@jaycee7901 4 жыл бұрын
I've heard all kinda of people say that you have to be wary of static discharge when using plastic pipes - Did you run into that? If so, how did you address it?
@charadremur333
@charadremur333 4 жыл бұрын
It takes a LOT of dust, like pounds of dust being stuffed in at a time to cause a explosion.
@carlp5348
@carlp5348 4 жыл бұрын
The way to avoid that is you going to run a wire inside of the duck and one rolling around the outside of the duck it's got to be bare wire could do it then run that wire into the ground of the machine thank you you're welcome any questions email me Carlsroofingsystems@gmail.com trust me I know I got for shops
@mickenoss
@mickenoss 4 жыл бұрын
I remember Marius Hornberger making one of these years ago, he grounded his to prevent any problems.
@EliteSniperFMJ
@EliteSniperFMJ 3 жыл бұрын
tip i seen for the floor sweep is to add a large neo magnet to the front to catch any hardware that might be on the floor
@bubbe1981
@bubbe1981 4 жыл бұрын
Nice only you need to make ground kabels on the pipe's to prefents static explosions
@xdazamx
@xdazamx 4 жыл бұрын
6:31 ahaha. Ehem, what's the choice behind such wide pipes? is their some critical size for transporting dust?
@kylepost4
@kylepost4 4 жыл бұрын
xdazamx that’s the size of the fitting that comes on the dust collector. For the greatest efficiency, you want to keep all the pipes the same diameter to keep the airflow even and not overstrain the system.
@redneckdoc1991
@redneckdoc1991 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent, if you need to move your machines you might look at Magports for quick connections also!
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 4 жыл бұрын
Hadn’t heard of those! They’re really cool
@weekendwarrior9570
@weekendwarrior9570 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and process. You must love it when a plan comes together. Thanks for sharing. I will add this project to my wish list.
@-jimmyjames
@-jimmyjames Жыл бұрын
Magnificent, BRAVO CLAP CLAP CLAP!!! good work mate. Im building mine now
@justinferdenzi8802
@justinferdenzi8802 3 жыл бұрын
Very impressive installation and great job running that pipe.
@georgeruch2579
@georgeruch2579 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and great ideas many of which I will use for my shop vacuum system!
@LiloUkulele
@LiloUkulele 2 жыл бұрын
Bravo!....looks great!...love that floor collector
@luisgaltuvedech3830
@luisgaltuvedech3830 3 жыл бұрын
This was so amazing and satisfying to watch
@morganhurst_redridge
@morganhurst_redridge 4 жыл бұрын
That cyclone system is very nice! I had the same issue on my sander, I just have a 4" blast gate that rests on top of the dust port and it collects pretty much all the dust.
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Good to know! I’m going to have to do that
@mapleleafsrock13
@mapleleafsrock13 4 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelAlm have you guys seen Colin Knecht's (WoodWorkWeb) dust collection upgrade for the oscillating spindle/belt sander? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZbWanR-gb1sbK8
@dgb5820
@dgb5820 2 жыл бұрын
That looks absolutely amazing
@rjtumble
@rjtumble 4 жыл бұрын
Great build, thanks. Did you consider going with some kind of automatic blast gates? I discovered if you buy a MERV-13 20x20 filter and tape it to the back of a box fan it works fantastic for cleaning the air in the shop. I used my Dylos, left the fan running over night and both large and small particle numbers were below 20 in the morning, all with just a box fan and good filter.
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 4 жыл бұрын
I felt the automated blast gates were more than I needed. I can reach the gates easily from each tool, so it didn't seem like an investment I needed to make. We'll see how I feel after using it for a bit.
@itsjustmetomc4848
@itsjustmetomc4848 4 жыл бұрын
Real nice review and video my friend! Thanks for sharing. BTW, great looking setup for that dust collector too!
@jlf1430
@jlf1430 4 жыл бұрын
Aha, for once I can add a suggestion. When cutting pvc piping on the tablesaw, set it in place and roll the pipe instead of sliding the sled. BTW, the system looks great, really nice set up.
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@kennmacintosh2627
@kennmacintosh2627 3 ай бұрын
Nice system. If wood working doesn't pan out, u can always get a job as a plumber. :)
@commoncents456
@commoncents456 4 жыл бұрын
Great build Great video I read the comments on the floor sweep and nails Is there the same problem with your floor nozzle attachment, or is there not enough suction to pick up nails
@furthernorthfab
@furthernorthfab 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, you had a little General dust collector. Haha. It’s to bad they when out of business. They use to be the go to for us north of the boarder. What a HUGE upgrade. Looks great.
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 4 жыл бұрын
I was curious what happened to General. I haven’t seen the brand for a bit, so that makes sense. Thanks dude! See you at WBC 🙌
@furthernorthfab
@furthernorthfab 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Alm For sure! See you in less than a month! It’s coming up quickly
@DutchCanPlumb
@DutchCanPlumb 4 жыл бұрын
since youre a woodworker why not build a snap together sound insulated case around the cyclone for noise cancelling?
@kitrose1001
@kitrose1001 4 жыл бұрын
it needs ventilation for the heat sink but it would be interesting
@thenudebrewer7466
@thenudebrewer7466 4 жыл бұрын
It something he should consider, not only to call it a "complete" build, but also if you're WORKING in that shop for long periods of time (which you're obviously going to do), that much noise is bad for your hearing. Especially now, everyone is so hip to safety-this and safety-that, but SOUND issues are often overlooked. And tinnitus NEVER goes away! Do yourself a favor-- limit the sound from that thing. :^)
@brennanlangless8912
@brennanlangless8912 2 жыл бұрын
DIY upgrade for sander could be a hood to help with dust directional control
@natGutt
@natGutt 4 жыл бұрын
Looks great... Do you not need to ground the pipe for static?
@MichaelAlm
@MichaelAlm 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! From what I've read, it's not necessary to ground the system. Do your own research of course, but I feel pretty comfortable not grounding.
@natGutt
@natGutt 4 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelAlmI wasn't sure but it does seem to be more about getting uncomfortable shocks rather than safety.
@jeffgoldsmith1679
@jeffgoldsmith1679 4 жыл бұрын
That Clearview might collapse that thin walled pipe no? I guess you would know by now. I have the same unit but I bought ribbed metal dust collection pipe. Cost a few bucks but has all kinds of dampers at each piece of equipment. Hope your enjoying the better air quality and dust collection.
@kattel84
@kattel84 4 жыл бұрын
Would it be better to run a ground wire on those pipes, or don't you have to?? My dad used the 4" metal duct work for his dust collection system, like for heating/air conditioning.
@MakersBestFriend
@MakersBestFriend 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, liked the designs a lot. Would recommend adding a ground cable to be screwed in so that it discharges the system for safety, but really like how you organized it all
@grumpyshorts1056
@grumpyshorts1056 2 жыл бұрын
So no metal wiring in the duct to keep static from igniting the fine dust? Or do you think there is not enough dust to worry about?
@rickc.6307
@rickc.6307 4 жыл бұрын
How did you ground the PVC pipes? Since the pipes are thin wall, have you experienced any issues with the pipes collapsing under the pressure of the DC system?
@brentomalley8428
@brentomalley8428 21 күн бұрын
no decent search function here so maybe already answered, but what did you do for the static electricity? I've seen copper wire wrapped around the pvc or even run through the ducting and then into a ground. Thoughts?
@woodenshed
@woodenshed 3 жыл бұрын
it's time for me to upgrade my dust collection too!
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