Dustopper VS. Dust Deputy // Cyclone Shootout

[@JakeThompson]

Hello Everyone, Here is a link to the NEW Dust Deputy 2.5 kzbin.info/www/bejne/naGwcmVsd56sarM

[@23fields]

i use the bucket head from home depot on the mitersaw ill pair them see how it works lol

[@JakeThompson]

Frankie's CNC & Woodworking channel niiiice!!!

[@amp12345amp]

@@23fields Did you do this pairing yet? I am curious to know if the Home Depot Buckethead vacuum is powerful enough to work with the Home Depot Dustopper to provide adequate dust collection. Please let everyone know what you find out.

[@23fields]

@@amp12345amp As of now I havent yet the dustopper is still in the box. im sure the pair will work but not sure how efficient it will be.

[@amp12345amp]

@@23fields ok thanks. I think I had even asked the engineer who created the Dustopper if those items would work well together but off the top of my head I can't remember if or how he replied. Unfortunately, I can't even find the Dustopper in any of my local Home Depots. I go to the stores and it says it is in stock but no one in the store can ever find one. Go figure. Guess I will have to eventually order it online.

[@mikevincent2811]

I have the dust stopper. In addition to cleaning my shop, I use to to clean my patio. I put a brick in the bucket to keep it from tipping over.

[@JakeThompson]

Mikr Vincent clever idea!! Pretty smart

[@mekt0r]

I bought a dust deputy used about a decade ago, and it's been a great addition to my sand blaster cabinet to help keep the vacuum filter cleaner longer. Especially when it comes to sand blasting: you definitely want the better one to handle the fine sand particles floating around or your vac filter will clog up in no time. Thanks for the great video for those of us that were curious about the performance difference!

[@JakeThompson]

Thank you.. I appreciate it. 👍

[@punxone]

I just started learning how to woodwork and realized that dust collection is something that I totally overlooked. This is an awesome straight forward video and set me off in a good direction. Thanks man!!

[@JakeThompson]

Very welcome.. Glad you enjoyed. 👍👍

[@carlycfs]

Awesome comparison and demonstration video !!!!!!!! Great video editing and narration as well !! So helpful and worth watching this VID !! Good job buddy !!

[@JakeThompson]

Thank you Money Man. 👍👍🦾

[@barryulrich2170]

I've been using a Dust Deputy for vacuum sanding drywall for about 5 years now. I saw the Duststopper and thought it might be nice to get a lower profile for my cart so I bought one to try. My version of a comparison test was to hook them up in tandem and then reverse the order for the second test. I sanded for approximately the same amount of time each way and the pails were clean and dry for both tests. I started with VAC - DUST DEPUTY - DUSTSTOPPER - SANDER and got about the same amount in both pails. Then I switched to VAC - DUSTSTOPPER - DUST DEPUTY - SANDER. This time all the dust was in the Dust Deputy pail and there was nothing in the Duststopper pail. I ran the test 3 times with the same result each time. I did it this way because I use a bag and a filter in the shopvac so I wouldn't be able to see what was in the shopvac after a test. What I determined is the Duststopper only catches the largest heaviest particles. Its probably ok for sawdust.

[@wiredforstereo]

The orange stops very little of the fine dust, in my experience. It all ends up in the vacuum filter.

[@CGT80]

This is exactly what I wanted to know. I also use drywall bags in my shop vac for drywall or concrete dust. For my blast cabinet, I use a more simple version of the duststopper for my blast cabinet but it seems that my bag fills up a little and blowby gets into my vac motor since the bags don't fit great in my hang up pro vac.

[@edkeck3629]

Nice no BS comparison. They both have their place. Thank you for the video.

[@JakeThompson]

Ed Keck Thank you for watching Ed. I’m glad you liked it!!👍👊

[@diyenthu2844]

Very helpful. Thanks for taking the time!

[@JakeThompson]

Very welcome. 👍👍

[@mikewilander3729]

Thanks for making this. Really helpful for us DIY folks who just want to know which is better to keep the basement or garage shop clean.

[@JakeThompson]

Very welcome! 👍👍

[@benjamindebellis6664]

I actually have both also. Both are on rollers and available . But, as you saw in your video the Dustopper lets the fine sawdust go on through to the vacuum. So, I still have a filter getting clogged with fine dust. As a result, only use the Dustopper around the lathe. Bigger chips, less fine dust. Very good video proving my results are similar to yours.

[@JakeThompson]

Benjamin DeBellis Thank you for watching. I’m glad you enjoyed it and confirmed my results. 👍👍

[@funfreq9282]

The $10 difference in the two units (by themselves) the cyclonic design of the Dust Deputy shows why it does a better job than the Thien separator design of the Dustopper. Great comparison vid!

[@JakeThompson]

Fun freq Thank you very much ! 👍👍

[@johnlynch7638]

Thank you for a really reasonable and direct comparispn along with the honest price comparison vs the different strength of pull between the two. Most specifically with the fine dust particles that the Oneida blocks whole the other one let's it through. Pretty much proves what I suspected and will save me money in my 8X8 size limited shop!

[@JakeThompson]

Very welcome.. I’m glad you enjoyed the video.. plenty more on the channel.. welcome 👍👍

[@komitadjie]

Couple other things that might end up influencing the testing as well - the dust deputy sits higher on the bucket, with a considerably greater distance between the intake to the vacuum and the top level of the bucket. You can fill it a lot fuller between dumpings without having any get sucked over. Also, I've found that my shop vac works best with a filter bag, in place of the can when I'm using my dust deputy. The dust that DOES come over tends to be extremely fine, and the far greater surface area of the bag really helps keep the vacuum flowing freely over a longer time. :)

[@bobcatt2294]

Dan - I think the major difference is the narrow tapered tunnel (throat) of the Dust Deputy allows greater vortexing and air speed thus moving the particles in the Dust Deputy chamber at a faster rate. The result is that the outlet, while using the Dust Deputy are less likely to sent these particles to the vac. The overall CFM (cubic feet per minute) is much greater in the Dust Deputy whereas the Dustopper chamber is too large to create a fast directed turbulent vortex. To remedy the less efficient Dustopper, you would need to built a partition within the bucket with a configuration to move the air in a vortex.

[@kruseknifeworks5438]

Really appreciate the comparison, nicely done. Bought an Oneida for my shop just yesterday, well worth the extra money in my opinion. On a side note, I've been watching your casting vids for a few months now, and have been inspired to add it to my handle offerings. Thank you.

[@JakeThompson]

Super cool.. I’m glad I could be helpful to you. 👍👍👊👊

[@adalos1953]

The dustopper is essentially plug and play, which makes it much more consumer friendly at the cost of slightly lower performance. I ended up opting for the dustopper for its ease of use, speed of implementation, and lower profile enabling it to fit into spaces the dust deputy can't. If I had unlimited space and time, I'd go with the DD, but since I have 100 other things going on I opted for the DS so I didn't have to spend half a day setting up my dust collection.

[@SuperBardley]

Jake, great comparo, thanks for taking the time to do such a good job of it! Just for the record, both of these are cyclone type pre-filters, and the Dustopper is what is known as a Thien separator. There are many DIY examples of the Thien on the interweb, so all you DIYers can go have some fun on that one. In fact, I have a Thien separator hooked up to my big Harbor Freight dust collector w/ a 4" flexi hose, and yes it works as well as shown here. Yep, another poster is right about adding a bag, which is generally a good idea because it is the superfine sub 3 micron particulates that make it through these cyclones, and most anything but a HEPA filter, and ultimately do the serious damage to our lungs.

[@JakeThompson]

SuperBardley Thanks for the comment man!! I appreciate it!!

[@HAWKEYEWTNY]

SuperBardley o

[@snort455]

Thanks for helping figure out a solution to my current cleaning problem: a rat infested crawl space! I could throw a lot of $$ at the right vacuum setup. After hours of research, I think I’m now on the right track.

[@dannyscobee6530]

I recently got the duststopper. I knew going in it wasn’t as efficient as the dust deputy. I do run a dust bag in my shop vac & as long as I dump the dust bucket regularly, everything stays pretty clean & works well enough.

[@JakeThompson]

Danny Scobee I’m not sure how your comment got past me, but it did. The bag is a good idea, I’ve ran mine on the miter saw this entire time.. the shop vac is pretty clean. 👍👍

[@timberbucketsphil6818]

Hey man great job I am 67 retired an i am a cooper I make wood buckets wash tubs of all sizes an wood beer stines . I have a dust deputy works really good . I went to the grocery store a found a old grocery cart that they were going to dispose of an put the dust system on it .now I can roll it any place in the shop .rockler sells nice wheels an has a super lot of dust fittings, good job man

[@JakeThompson]

Philip Selman Niiice!! I’m going to go look for a shopping cart.. 😄😄👍👍👊👊

[@larryengstrom3892]

Well, I watched your new previous one and this older 1. Thank you for the information.

[@JakeThompson]

Very Welcome 👍👍

[@gary8033]

Thanks for the comparison. I’ve been looking at a few options, including making one. This video gives me something to think about. Thanks again 👍

[@JakeThompson]

gary8033 Very welcome!👍👍👍

[@xeroxprinter7234]

Thank you for the excellent comparison!

[@JakeThompson]

Very welcome. 👍👍

[@roBLINDhood]

I didn’t even know the duststopper existed. Thank you. Great timing too. :)

[@JakeThompson]

Ian Enderby Glad I could help you out!! 👍👍

[@MikeC19100]

Good video detailing the two dust collection systems. The shop vac you use is the model I wish I had in my shop. I have the DustStopper and the DustRight (blue barrel). I noticed that the Dust Stopper was quite a bit louder, or at least the pitch was higher, and I had to put some foam tape on the lid to quiet it down. Jay Bates created a nice dust collection stand that was on wheels with the sweeper on the bottom and the dust collector sat on a shelf over the sweeper. I made a similar one for my DustStopper with an older Craftsman sweeper and it works just fine in that configuration.

[@JakeThompson]

Thank you Mike .. Jay Bates does awesome stuff.. glad you enjoyed the video

[@therealsparkman]

With the minuscule amount of residue from the Dustopper, I don't think that one has to spend a whole lot of money on buying an expensive unit for the sake of what? Cleaning a little bit of sawdust out of the canister. If one was so inclined, they could buy a bag to put in the vacuum as an added alternative to pick up that little bit of dust, and it will take forever to fill it up. This was a good comparison video, though. Thanks for doing this.

[@JakeThompson]

therealsparkman Thanks for watching.. I’m glad you got something out of it!! 👍👊

[@drstampfli]

The dust deputy saves you from cleaning the vacuum filter every few weeks and replacing it a couple times a year. The other one won’t.

[@therealsparkman]

@@drstampfli Well, compared to what I am normally accustomed to, replacing bags and cleaning a filter, it is still a lot better. I can live with cleaning my filter every couple of weeks.

[@trisic2697]

Great analysis! Thanks for posting!

[@JakeThompson]

Very welcome. 👍👍

[@chucksmith3441]

Nice job Jake! I'm the guy that always feels better using more high end equiptment but buy showing this video, you definitely ha shown that this budget and time saving tool can do an extremely good job, with little to no setup time, and takes up less floor space with the vacuum working space...thanks for the education and keep up the great test comparisons!👍

[@JakeThompson]

Thank you Chuck! 👍👍

[@ericwood6521]

Been using dust deputy for the past 3 years on my dewalt planer. No vacuum. Works great. Started of with the 5 gallon bucket, the graduated to a 55 gallon drum. That is the nice part about the DD, you can unbolt it and attach it to any container. Just remodeled my shop and bought the large one for the entire shop.

[@danielmorgan4445]

Awesome demonstration! Thank you!

[@JakeThompson]

Daniel Morgan Very welcome!! 👍👍👊👊

[@johnkristoff2341]

Very helpful and informative. Many thanks.

[@JakeThompson]

John Kristoff Very welcome!! 👍👍💪

[@stevenewsam1993]

I really appreciate your video. It was concise, to the point and clear which device works the best. That being said, I’m going with the duststopper because of packaging efficiency.

[@JakeThompson]

Awesome.. glad I could help

[@moosternp]

This is a really clear comparison. I would like the see the filter before and after the test just to compare the amount of fine dust that gets through the cyclone. Secondly after seeing the comparison I am wondering why the vac can’t be modified to eliminate the cyclone separator. Again nice job your comparison answered many of my question and it was well presented..

[@JakeThompson]

Nelson V. Pavao After the dust deputy the filter was still clean.. and after the Dustopper it has a light coat of dust on it..

[@user-ty2uz4gb7v]

Good point, a cyclone should really be integrated in to shop vacs.

[@johnfithian-franks8276]

Hi Jake, I bought a Dust Deputy (Top part only) about 6 months ago but have not been able to fit it yet due to ill health and weather (my shop is unheated) here in the UK we have B&Q and they sell the Dustopper but not the buckets (another reason I haven't installed it yet). After seeing your test I am glad I went with the Dust Deputy and I will find a bucket somewhere soon. Thanks for the video and I hope you have a good new year

[@JakeThompson]

John Fithian-Franks You have a good new year as well! I’m glad you enjoyed the video!!👍👍

[@wb_finewoodworking]

Hi Jake. I viewed this again after you mentioned it in your Shop Update. As an Oneida DD owner I agree that it does a great job separating out dust and wood chips and keeping it all out of the vacuum. What was interesting is that the Home Depot separator lets the really fine dust through. That’s the dust that will quickly clog up the vacuum’s filter. That’s one of the things I’m trying to avoid. In my opinion the savings is bags and filters over the years have more than paid for the Dust Deputies that I have in my shop. When it comes to my Festool vac that’s saying a lot.

[@JakeThompson]

WB Fine Woodworking 👍👍👍😄

[@michaelpatria2111]

Yes WB, This is where we need to really test these things. No offence Jake, but the dust in the bottom of the bin isn't the real issue; The real issue is the clogging of the filter by small particles. Maybe weighing the filter before and after or weighing the dust before vacuuming and comparing the differences is the better demonstrator of efficiency.

[@JakeThompson]

Michael Patria No offense taken. Weighing the filters would probably be a great way to compare the two.

[@JohnHill-qo3hb]

Anyone who has a TARDIS is an OK guy by me. Very helpful video, thank you very much.

[@JakeThompson]

Thank you John!👍👍

[@fcschoenthal]

Thanks for the comparison. I've been thinking about getting a couple of these for around the shop and will probably go with he Dustopper. The DD is really twice as much with their 5 gal bucket and 4x more for the setup that you have. One of the forums had the inventor of the Dustopper chime in and said that they are working on a larger model (for bigger dust collectors). Can't wait for that to happen. My old HF system is really needing to be 2 stage.

[@JakeThompson]

fcschoenthal Good stuff, I’m glad you enjoyed the video. There really are different needs for different people, I’m glad I have both setups. 👍👍

[@frankyvee1]

The vertical length of the entire system is a huge factor in filtering out the fine dust. The taller the overall system the less dust will get sucked in by the intake. I built a similar system to the dust stopper using one bucket with PVC couplers and elbows. I was getting a lot of dust sucked back into the intake. I modified the design and added a second bucket to the top of the first bucket doubling the vertical height. Just that one modification made a huge difference. I was getting no dust coming back to my vacuum.

[@JakeThompson]

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[@baconsledge]

I have two DustDeputies from Menards (Wisconsin) and have used them with my cnc router for 10 years...rarely have to do anything with the shop vac except blow off the filter every other year.

[@JakeThompson]

Bob Stout This is my experience too!!

[@Poor_Mans_DIY]

Having a very small corner of a garage for a workshop, I wasn't too keen on getting the Dust Deputy even though it appears to be a great product. You have given a secondary option which may not be as good but is a whole lot better than allowing my wife in I to inhale harmful dust if we use nothing at all. Thank you so much for the video.

[@JakeThompson]

Poor Man's DIY Very Welcome.. Thanks for watching, glad I could help!

[@carlbbellia8673]

good presentation..thanks..i usually put a old T-SHIRT around the vac filter.however it is easier to dump pail than the vac..

[@JakeThompson]

carlb bellia Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed.

[@riverunner9978]

Great video , I didn’t know the dustopper existed,!

[@JakeThompson]

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[@mohamhead9701]

These crazy advertised horsepower ratings for vacuums make me giggle. Don't fall for it, you simply can't get 6 HP out of a standard 120V wall outlet! 6 HP x 742watts (1 input HP) = 4452 watts. Any standard 15 amp circuit breaker would trip under that continuous load. Better to look on the vacuum for the UL certification plate. You will see amp draw and voltage ratings. If the vacuum consumes 11 amps multiply those amps X voltage (120) which will give you the wattage (11a x 120v = 1320 watts) One input horsepower is 742 watts so an 11 amp vacuum is a realistic 1.77 HP. Note that a 120 volt appliance will not be UL certified with power consumption much over 12 amps.

[@joedance14]

Nice presentation. Suggestion: put a bag in the shop vac. With a dust separator and bag, almost no dust will get to the filter.

[@JakeThompson]

Joe Dance 👍👍👍

[@stephenlubin3342]

I was going to make a dust stopper but decided to just go with the one from Home Depot for $50. One of the best things I did. I have used this with my planer, jointer, and router table. I have a dual hose system on the router table. With my 6 hp Baur shop vac and this dust collector, every bit of dust and wood shavings were picked up. There was just about nothing in the shop vac bucket. Highly recommend.

[@JakeThompson]

Awesome!👍👍

[@charliezembillas3932]

Thanks for the review. Just bought a dust deputy, feeling that I made a good choice.

[@JakeThompson]

Charlie Zembillas 👍👍👍

[@AP-br6dh]

My whole point for getting a dust separator is to save me from having to buy/clean the shop vac filter as often. For that reason, I'd spent the extra one time cost for the Onida. Thanks for the video. It made a difference in my decision.

[@JakeThompson]

An Pok Anytime, glad I could help you out!! 👍👍👊👊

[@southwindswoodworks8260]

Thanks again, Jake! You seem to keep popping up when I need to research something. :D Sick of shop vac bags and all the friggin dust everywhere so I decided to look at a collector... and BAM! there's your channel helping me make an informed decision. Cheers!

[@JakeThompson]

SouthWindsWoodWorks I’m not sure how I missed your comment when it came in. I’m glad you enjoy the videos, plenty more to come and next time I hope to catch your comment as it comes in! 👍👍

[@7MileDesigns]

I like it! I'm glad to know the dust stopper is at least in the fight. One of these days I'll put on my big girl pants and get a real dust collection system and upgrade from the dust stopper.

[@JakeThompson]

7 Mile Designs lol The Dustopper is definitely in the fight just in price and convenience!! I guess I had my big girl pants on for a while!.😂😂

[@photonashville]

Different products hitting diffrent pricepoints. Both do well for what they are. I have several Dustoppers now for 5 months or so since they are small and cheap and do fine. Good video, useful comparison.

[@JakeThompson]

photonashville Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed!! 👍👍👊👊

[@kencorsell8087]

That was an impressive comparison! It would have been interesting to take the same vacuum air flow reading on your Oneida cyclone that’s been in use for two years to see how difference there was with the new Oneida. The real benefit a cyclone brings is keeping your filter as clean as possible so it’s continually running at peak efficiency. Yes it does save money and time not having to replace filters all the time, but keeping that dust off the filter completely lets the vacuum run at max power indefinitely. Most professional commercial dust collection systems have a filter shake down period after the unit is turned off to rid the filter of any collected dust continually.

[@JakeThompson]

Ken Corsell 👍👍👍

[@tonylawrence9157]

Filter shake down is indispensable, speaking from experience.

[@martinbreece]

That dust deputy is really good. Definitely worth the money. Thanks for the video Jake.

[@JakeThompson]

martin Breece Thanks Martin!! It sure is Brother!! 👍👍

[@bond00745]

Just FYI, it’s not really about keeping the walls of your shop vac clean, it is in the importance of a clean filter. A dirty filter reduces efficiency and causes the motor to work harder. The dust deputy is worth the investment considering initial cost of your shop vac and replacement filters! Dust deputy is superior in not only how well it works but in money saved in the long run, cleaning the inside of your shop vac should be less frustrating than spending money repeatedly on filters and replacing vacs due to burnt up motors. Thanks for listening and happy woodworking. Great video!

[@JakeThompson]

bond00745 Thank you... Thanks for watching and the feedback! 👍👍

[@GSimon850]

For someone who is a into hobby wood work in a small man cave and wants to keep a second hand home upright vacuum clean also has limited space I think this is ideal, thanks for the comparison between an profession setup to a cheap hobbyist setup. Cheers buddy

[@JakeThompson]

GSimon850 Glad you enjoyed and happy I could help. 👍👍

[@rogermccaslin6750]

I bought the Dustopper when I did a remodel on a place I own. I had a HEPA filter on the vac and found that it quickly clogged when vacuuming drywall dust. While the Dustopper isn't perfect, it did allow me to use the vac several times longer than when I didn't have one. If I had planned better, I would have gone with a Dust Deputy but I didn't and I wanted a fix that day. The big orange box store had the Dustopper on the shelf so that's what I have. I'll probably upgrade one of these days. If I plan it right. 😳

[@JakeThompson]

Roger McCaslin It’s about what I found.. being on the shelf is pretty convenient though.. lol

[@vizio213]

Helpful information, Dustopper will be good enough for me.

[@JakeThompson]

It’s pretty good... Thanks for watching!👍👍

[@dennisburden9384]

I think you did a great job,I got what I wanted to know out of tape thanks.

[@JakeThompson]

Very welcome Dennis! 😀😀

[@georgegpassias7414]

EVEN though I am over 70 years old, being a retired priest, I love carpentry ad am always learning. I want to thank you for taking the time and making this video. It was helpful to me in making a decision. It’s not like a hot wire anemometer in an engineering lab but it was good for the given application. Thanks again +Fr George

[@JakeThompson]

George G Passias Thank you for watching George!! And thanks for the feedback!! I’m glad I can help!👍👍

[@viperboi4149]

I did not know the dustopper is avaliable at home depot this fits under the counter miter saw station, and it looks to work good, thanks for the video...

[@JakeThompson]

Icey Viper Absolutely!! Thank you for watching!! 👍👍

[@grimsoul0]

I think the cheap Dustopper would be fine for someone like me. Just a weekend warrior that makes stuff for a hobby and to get out of the wife's hair when she's in one of those moods. 😅 But someone that's in their shop all the time would probably want something better.

[@JakeThompson]

Grimsoul Blackheart My thoughts exactly!!👍👍👊

[@scott33761]

Then why have one at all? Just empty the vac. neither is good enough for a woodworker. Go good or go home

[@24revealer]

Its the fine dust going back into the air that kills you. Better have a good filter on your vac.

[@scottjohnson3226]

Thanks for the comparison! Since I have neither, it really helped me decide between the two.

[@scottjohnson3226]

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[@JakeThompson]

Scott Johnson Thanks for watching and the sub.. I’m glad I could help and I hope you have fun watching my upcoming videos. 👍👍👊 Thanks for joining the team.

[@larrygillespie1857]

I used to have a cyclone type and i changed bags on my fein all the time. Then i got a deputy and in for years ive changed one bag saving me quite a few bucks. Luv luv the deputy.

[@JakeThompson]

Larry Gillespie Me too.. The other one is ok, but there really is a clear winner.

[@donalddobbs6962]

Good job just purchased the dust stopper and wondered how well it worked compared to the other ones

[@JakeThompson]

Donald Dobbs Thank you!! 👍👍👊

[@jamestblanton3188]

thanks...picking up the cheap one tonight:)

[@JakeThompson]

Awesome.. I’m happy with mine

[@stopdrinkingleftskoolaid6510]

Jake, thanks for the great video. I didn’t know Home Depot had this. I need this to suck the ashes out of my wood burning stove insert because just using the wet dry vac spews fine dust into the air. Looking forward to trying it out. Thanks and thanks for keeping it simple without the usual personality quirks some people feel the need to include.

[@JakeThompson]

Evan Sarris Sometimes I do silly stuff, but on things like this I’m just showing what I find.. now my project videos can get a little funny, I’m glad you enjoyed it and thanks for stopping by!!👍👍👍

[@PARIS8500]

Evan, let us know how the Dustopper or Cyclone worked out for you. I need to contain Thinset mortar, drywall dust, sander shavings, etc.

[@24revealer]

i made a small cyclone from sheet metal that works as good as the Dust Deputy. The ashes in my pellet stove are so light that some still makes it into my vacuum. I don't think the home depot model would work very well for ashes at all.

[@jkg6211]

@@24revealer The Duststopper DOES work well with ashes, sheetrock dust, etc... even gelcoat dust. But stopping 100% of something as fine as ashes from reaching the vac filter? Nope... NOTHING will. That's what the dust bags that go inside the vac are for - it acts as a "prefilter" for your vac's main filter. These cyclone filters are only designed to capture the majority of the crap before it makes it's way to your vac. If you want to vacuum wood or coal ashes from your fireplace, use a cyclone, dustbag, AND filter on your system. But be aware - it's still not going to capture 100% of everything. Nothing can, when it comes to something as super fine as ashes.

[@DowneastThunderCreations]

Good job on the comparison, Jake. I found a Dust Deputy clone sold by he Chinese for around $15.00 but it has to be ordered directly from China. I haven't tried it out yet but it looks just like the Dust Deputy (except the spouts for the vacuum hoses are an odd size - not standard with anything).

[@JakeThompson]

Downeast Thunder Creations I haven’t seen those but would be interested just to see how well they perform. Thanks for watching Brother!!

[@lry76]

Great video. I could've co-hosted this video with you. I bought the DD, and while it worked great, I did have space constraints. I sold it, and bought the DS. If the DD picked up 99% of dust, I would say the DS picks up 97% of dust. So having the DS at hand the cost is worth it for me.

[@JakeThompson]

Awesome.. 👍👍👍

[@OllieNorth509]

Thanks for video Jake. I've had the DD for a couple years and love it. Was thinking about picking up one of the home depot collectors to add a second and save vertical space. After watching, I'll find room for a second DD

[@JakeThompson]

Scott North 👍👍👍👍👍

[@michaelogden5958]

For years, I've used a little Dust Deputy like this one with a shop vac as a general purpose shop vacuum setup Works fine for me. I also have a Super Dust Deputy attached to a "big" dust collector/filter that I use wwith my lathes. No complaints there, either. I haven't used anything else, so I can't say Oneida is the best or the worst. Cheers!

[@JakeThompson]

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[@Immolate62]

The difference in the amount of accumulated dust in the vacuum is negligible. Unless you're a production shop, you'll never have to empty the vacuum in your lifetime with either product. I have two Dustoppers and one big Dust Deputy in my shop on my bigger dust collector. I built a stack cart with the (second) Dustopper, as the first one was used in tandem and was a major pain in a shop bigger than a garage. Stack carts using a cyclone are just too tall, about 18" taller than a Dustopper. My advise is to use a Dustopper if you build a cart and to use a cyclone if the price delta isn't too great and you can fit it without a problem. Honestly, I don't recommend a two-stack solution like you have unless it's stationary, or both stacks are on the same base. That's how I ran my first Dustopper. When I was in my garage, it wasn't so much of a problem. In my bigger shop, it had to move a lot which caused no end of problems with the bucket overturning. Now it's safely tucked under my workbench servicing my table saw (hey, stop with your dirty thoughts). If you use a single stack or double stack, I recommend you zip tie your hose to near the bottom of the stack so that your hose isn't pulling your stack over.

[@JakeThompson]

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[@tonylawrence9157]

Thank you for your comment, a most usefull advice. The size and mobility of the dust collector will be most important for and average worker. Large, imobile, or restricted mobility, units are great for a large set up, but impractical for the bloke doing small diverse jobs. Give also a thought to a good face mask if all else fails. Bloke from Aus.

[@fourseasonsescapade6367]

Great presentation between the two. I prefer dustopper, why? I am just a casual wood hobbyist. and need more space for my garage.

[@JakeThompson]

Thank you for watching. 👍

[@bigscreenbird8198]

Yep I really like that dust stopper. I don’t have a full dust collection system and this would be great until I got the system I want!

[@JakeThompson]

bigscreen bird Heck yeah Bird-Man!! It’s pretty cool!!

[@drewswitzer7574]

Something worth mentioning: The single chamber designs, Dustopper and those similar where the unit ***is*** the lid and so the whole bucket is the cyclone chamber, will lose efficiency as the bucket fills thereby shrinking the size of the cyclone chamber. Whereas the duel chamber designs, Dust deputy and those similar where the cyclone unit sits ***on top of*** the lid, won't lose efficiency as they collect dust since the collection bucket is not part of the cyclone generator. The amount of efficiency lose is also relative to the size of the particulate you're trying to collect. I have used a unit similar to the Dustopper while trying to vacuum the floor of our finishing booth and after about a quarter of the bucket fills the super fine paint/lacquer/sanding dust flies right through the unit without much getting pulled from the air by the cyclone effect. The same unit connected to a series of saws like shown here was working well enough until about three quarters full, the chips and larger dust particulates not as effected by the lose of chamber size.

[@JakeThompson]

Drew Switzer nice info!!👍👍

[@PARIS8500]

Outstanding observations, Drew! Like you, I need something that will contain sanding shavings, drywall dust, concrete dust during flooring tile removal. I like the simplicity of set up with the Dustopper but my research is telling me that the Cyclone MAY be the better option.

[@SlowandExpensive]

Nice comparison Jake! I prefer the SN50's. I have all three versions (gen 1,2,3,) in my shop. They all work great. Never had a "real" dust deputy but you can get 3 (1st gen) SN50's for the price of either the Dust deputy or the Dust stopper.

[@JakeThompson]

Slow and Expensive I have never had the opportunity to check out the Chinese ones, I will take your word on how well they work.. I bet they have their place in people’s shops. Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed!!

[@patrickfee5065]

Good video...very informative

[@JakeThompson]

@@patrickfee5065 Thank you 🙏

[@jimchallender4616]

Good review, I have a Shop Vac with HEPA Filter and Oneida Dust Deputy which has worked great for a couple years and have not needed to replace the HEPA filter. I recently bought the Habor Freight 2HP Dust Collector (used 25% coupon) and will soon convert it to a 2 Stage with a Oneida Super Dust Deputy and Wynn .3 Micron filter and will connect all my tools with gates. I'm tired of dragging my Shop-Vac around each time I move from table saw to planer to chop saw to router etc.

[@JakeThompson]

Jim Challender I love having my tools already hooked up to dust collection, you will be glad you did it! 👍👍

[@pauljs75]

I could see the cheaper one doing double duty as something for vacuuming wet stuff and not mucking up the actual vac canister or having to change its filter to foam. (Not to mention some moisture gets pulled to the motor before the float-ball on a wet-dry makes a complete seal.) That it hooks to a common 5 gal bucket and is clear so you can see the fill level also makes more sense for this. Might be something to have if you're a plumber or doing clean-up after flooding. Now if you're specifically dealing with fine dust all the time (sanding all the time, doing stuff like plaster work, etc.), then the more expensive cyclone makes more sense in not having to change or clean a filter much. From appearances it's just that more effective at what it does.

[@JakeThompson]

pauljs75 Good points.. appreciate it!! 👍👍

[@sbirdranch]

I run my CNC dust collection through my vac and it doesn't take long for the fine material to clog the filter. For that reason I would like the dust deputy. It does a better job with the fines. I was hoping for no difference as the height of the DD means it won't fit under my table. That would have been nice.

[@JakeThompson]

sbirdranch The DD is definitely more efficient at collecting the Dust!

[@jakematic]

Nice comparison, thanks ! I might get a Dustopper or two for the same reason to backfill my Oneida system.

[@JakeThompson]

Mulligan Farms 👍👍👍 glad you enjoyed the video!!! They both have their place for sure!!

[@richardc8340]

Best takeaway here is, IMO, the much much cheaper home Depot unit does a fine job. I have a DeWalt separator with 10 gallon SS tank, price is in-between these you've shown (about $140), and it does a phenomenal job. Too bad it's always sold out.

[@JakeThompson]

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[@perryjurgensjurgens3416]

Great work - thanks!!!

[@JakeThompson]

Perry Jurgens Thank you for watching, glad I could help.

[@crislopes4518]

Great video. Appreciate your time and effort for it

[@JakeThompson]

Cris Lopes Very Welcome!! Thank you for your comment!! 👍👊

[@ginoasci]

thank you for doing this.

[@JakeThompson]

Very welcome 👍

[@billofalltrades1468]

I like my home depot dust stopper. I have a 1.5 car garage, really helps saving space. I do metal work, weld and wood work plus a riding lawn mower and such.

[@JakeThompson]

Awesome. I like mine too.

[@arronaf]

Thanks for doing this review. I have always been curious how these two went head to head. Good job showing the advantages of both. I have a garage shop on a budget and have the duststopper. But appreciate seeing how it compares. Thank you!

[@JakeThompson]

Arron Stanley Thanks for the comment Arron! I was curious myself and am happy I compared them.. thanks for stopping by!

[@stevepeterson5670]

Nicely done.

[@JakeThompson]

Thank you!👍👊

[@papounetpatenaude]

Stack two buckets. It'll be about the same height as the Oneida. And the extra height will probably make it as efficient! Most of the diy builders I've watched, found that the extra height was the key to making their dust separators work. Thanks! I appreciate the comparison.

[@JakeThompson]

Gilbert Patenaude 👍👍👊

[@hfjeff2736]

Nice comparison of these 2 dust separators. Exactly what I was looking for. I was looking at the DD prior to knowing HD carried the Dustopper. Well done and to the point. Thanks. Glad to see you are a football fan. Go Packers.

[@JakeThompson]

Go Pack Go!!! 👍👍

[@bobcade1002]

Well ............. that sucked! But in a good way. Thanks for taking the time to show us the difference. I was particularly impressed by the Dust Deputy!

[@JakeThompson]

Bob Cade The dust Deputy is definitely a step up..👍👍

[@super-z8943]

Duststopper inlet allows connection of 2.5 inch hose, so the inlet dia should be almost that. I don't know exact because it isn't mentioned anywhere. Dust deputy mentions the inner dia of the taper input as 1.75 inch. Which leads to a big problem! One has an area almost double of another. Dust deputy needs anemometer reading double that of duststoppor to have same CFM. You could have leveled the parameters by connecting same hose with required couplers. Great review, technical blunder which should've been a easy fix. Physics says, a lower radius cyclone ( dust deputy) will work better than a higher radius cyclone ( dust stopper) for separating out finer particles which compromising pressure drop and CFM. Most reviews agree to this.

[@JakeThompson]

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[@kvogel9245]

Given the prices of filters and vacuum bags, the Dust Deputy pays for itself quickly.

[@JakeThompson]

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[@MindDezign]

Very helpful good enough test.Thank you for posting!

[@JakeThompson]

Very welcome!!

[@wesshewchuk4612]

If you installed a dust bag in the vacuum would the air leaving the vacuum be as clean out of the Dust Stopper setup as from the Dust Deputy Great info on ur video

[@JakeThompson]

Thank you… I’ve never used a bag.. so I couldn’t tell ya

[@antcali1]

Great Video Man... thank you !

[@JakeThompson]

Anthony Cali Very welcome Anthony!! 👍👊

[@chalito1]

Nicely done, sir. I am shopping for a dust collector right now and your video was very helpful. I am a weekend warrior so, I think I will go with the Dustopper.

[@JakeThompson]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@billnu]

Just bought that vac switch. Genius item.

[@JakeThompson]

billnu I love it!! It’s super convenient!!

[@rustysawyers5109]

Good video and keep up the good work....

[@JakeThompson]

Rusty Sawyers Thank you Rusty!! 👍👍👊

[@alschulze-woodworx7258]

Good video !!! There are a few cool “vac stack” builds out here using the dustopper 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@JakeThompson]

Al Schulze - WoodworX There might be one more soon!! 😂😂

[@igoski1582]

I got a Dustopper for a sheet rock sanding tool. This sheet rock sander creates a lot of fine dust that is sucked up by a vacuum, which quickly clogs up a filter. That is why I got it but the few times I used it, I was less than impressed. It seemed to me like the Dustopper got about 10% into the hopper. I then put about a gallon of water into the bucket, in hopes the water would help trap more dust. I don't know if that trick worked. Either way, IMO there was way too much dust still going to the vacuum filter. Your test of the Dustopper seemed to get better results than I got. Without better future results, I would not endorse the Dustopper.

[@JakeThompson]

igoski1 I’m sure the Sheetrock dust is horrible.. I have the Dustopper on my miter saw station.. time will tell how it does for me, but I’ve always been impressed with the dust deputy.

[@igoski1582]

@@JakeThompson It seems both of these work well on saw dust, because saw dust is bigger pieces of dust. All the sheetrock dust is extremely fine dust and I'm thinking it's too fine of dust particles for either one to work well on sheetrock dust. I believe I will have to make a "water filter" out of a 5 gallon bucket to catch this extremely fine dust.

[@BradsWorkbench]

Damn! Was really hoping the smaller one had done better. I like the compact size of it.

[@JakeThompson]

The size is a plus, It doesn't perform bad, Just not as good as the tall one.

[@chatoyancewoodworks1205]

I have a small garage shop and the three things I never seem to have enough of is space, time and $$. Money I can eventually make and save. Time I can take bits here and there and eventually get projects done in the shop. But space is fixed. To me, the smaller one would save space as you could stack it on top of the vac (see the cart on John Build's It channel). It's affordable and would save me time not having to clean clogged filters a few times a week. It's not perfect, but it only has to be good enough.

[@JakeThompson]

Chatoyance Woodworks Space is definitely a factor when thinking about the difference between these two. I have it on my miter saw right now, I’m going to leave it there for a while and see how it does over time.

[@223DigitalArt]

I bought the DustStopperand after emptying the 1/2 full buckets a half dozen times i had barely a film of the finest dust in my Shop Vac. It looked even cleaner then his Dust Deputy test

[@JakeThompson]

The Dust Deputy had been on the miter saw station and vacuuming the entire shop for over a year before I opened it.. I think that was pretty good.