Dutch contestant disqualified from Eurovision over alleged confrontation with crew member

The Netherlands; Eurovision contestant -- Joost Klein -- has been disqualified from the competition by the E-B-U. Karling Donoghue breaks down the alleged incident that sparked the decision and ongoing protests over Israel's participation.

[@titiagli31]

The Female camera operator didn't know what means respect his wish.

[@paulcrowley8587]

The police disagree with your made up comment.

[@williamwilting]

Yes, intentional harassment and provoking like she did (abuse of rights) is illegal as well. Enough reason the file a suit against that camera operator. And it gets even worse. One of the stories going on is that this camera operator not only wasn't allowed to shooting footage, it also seems that this woman was none other than the songwriter for the Israelian song, Keren Peles. I have to admit I don't know any pure facts about that. But if it's true, then what was someone other than a professional reporter doing with a camera? And if it wasn't a reporter, and it was a phone she used instead of a camera, then what was she doing there in that exact location in the first place, where she wasn't allowed to shoot any footage?

[@kaxapaluna1920]

What we know so far is she keep follow him and recording backstage. Where is not aloud media to follow the singers , we don't know what happened back stages, but a whole country is blocked . No explanations , just facts, That person needs to talk what happen Bright side, is over.

[@AlonsoFan2023]

@@paulcrowley8587All we know at the moment is that the police are investigating. That's it, nothing else is known. This is a completely normal procedure when the police are notified that an incident has occurred. But that doesn't say anything about who is to blame.

[@ceciliebille8501]

This is a rumor gone wild. I have asked for sources when i have encountered this in chatforums but not gotten any. Can you give me a reliable source for this claim? Cause if it is true, then it really is a scandal. If it is not true joost will fknd himself in the midst of a conflict he really do not need.

[@eriktopolsky8531]

That camerawoman She was stocking him, what would happen if genders of the ‘victim’ and of ‘ perpetrator’ were swapped?

[@mamarijke]

The incident was not physical AND he was provoced. Its before the judge and not yet proven if he is guilty. Isn't disqualification a disproportional measure? Especially cause the Dutch delegation offered more gracefull solutions like for example a public excuse.

[@onlineonlineaccount2368]

@mamarijkeYea provoced by a typical European feminist who cries wolf the moment some one says can you stop filming ? Including also being harassed by Kann News and branded a anti-semite on social media by some Israeli people.

[@AlonsoFan2023]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Netherlands doesn't take part next year. Of course I don't know what exactly happened, but so far most people have said that the EBU's decision was exaggerated.

[@AlonsoFan2023]

@@Markiboy3 This information was not known at the time of the comment. What sense does it make to criticize someone for something that only came out afterwards? It was reported that there was no physical interaction. In the German media, for example, there was talk of a threatening gesture.

[@AlonsoFan2023]

@@Markiboy3 My statement had nothing at all to do with the woman. Reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point.

[@AlonsoFan2023]

@@Markiboy3 No, shame on you.

[@lucianmaftei3630]

The decision by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) to withhold footage of Joost's alleged "threatening movement" has only fueled further speculation and confusion. Releasing this footage could have clarified the situation, potentially exonerating the artist and demonstrating that the decision to disqualify him was unrelated to this incident. Instead, it appears the disqualification may be tied more closely to Joost's controversial remark about Israels participation in the song contest. During a press conference, a Polish journalist asked the Israeli contestant, Golan, whether she thought her participation might pose a security risk to others, given Israel's ongoing military actions in Gaza, referencing the pro-Palestinian rallies in Malmo during the Eurovision Song Contest. Swedish presenter Jovan Radomir quickly intervened, informing Golan that she doesn't have to answer this question. It was at this moment that Joost Klein, interjected with a simple "Why not?", that challenged the avoidance of this delicate subject. This indicated his support for transparency and dialogue on difficult topics. His disqualification followed shortly after this interaction, not immediately after the alleged threatening gesture made days earlier toward a crew member. Additionally, if a formal complaint has been filed with Swedish police, the EBU should have allowed the legal process to conclude before taking action. Presuming innocence until proven guilty is a fundamental principle that should have guided their actions.

[@lucianmaftei3630]

​@@Markiboy3 Then we've got two plausible scenarios. First, if the police are done investigating, they can just release the video, which according to you is not the case. Second scenario and the most plausible one, if the police and prosecutor are not done yet, we should stick to "innocent until proven guilty," don't you agree? My bias is called thinking for myself... you should try that sometimes.

[@anitamurkes9511]

Hardly ! Then they would have had to disqualify many of yve contestants tvat behaved terribly against young Eden ! But Joost should have been allowed to stay since Dutch crew offered solutions !

[@assiaelmabrouki5552]

They didn't even release the footage? Oh yeah they're definitely telling us the truth then.

[@-xirx-]

@@anitamurkes9511 🤢🤮

[@sundaypro]

The female camera operator didn't take NO for an answer. Let's all go protest .

[@Average.Texan.]

Fr! NO MEANS NO!

[@onlineonlineaccount2368]

The real reason he was disqualified is because he during the press conference on Thursday he said ''why not ?'' to a question a Polish journalist asked the Israeli contestant that her presence brings security risk to others. The Isreali lady intially didn't want to awnser the question but eventually did. Joost Klein comment was percieved as so called ''anti-semitic by Keren Peles the songwriter of Hurricane the song of the Isreali performer. Joost Kleine was also harrased on Saturday by a Isreali broadcasting channnel journalist Dov Gil-Har from Kann News. There videos online of Israeli team in Eurovision 2024 mocking him by videoing him without his consent.

[@mamarijke]

No its not

[@onlineonlineaccount2368]

@@mamarijke Yes it is madam...these are facts you can look up. You didn't even mention why ''its not'' ?

[@paulcrowley8587]

@@onlineonlineaccount2368 A staff member reported in, quite correctly, to the police. The police are continuing with the investigation after interviewing all witnesses. Statement of fact.

[@Mariyaslava]

Israel lives in your head rent free 😂😂

[@Djiejejdj]

You mean Palestine not IsNOTreal@@Mariyaslava

[@Whiteshadow1967]

Shame on you EBU, there are two things an actual thread and a gesture towards the camera the last thing is what Joost did. He should not have had a disqualification, I surely hope The Netherlands wil step out of Eurovision forever because this is not ok!

[@Whiteshadow1967]

@@Markiboy3 He had an agreement where they suppose not to film him behind the stage, and she did, after he asked her multiple times stop filming. Where was the respect toward Joost? What Joost dit was a yellow card not a red one! I think Joost en Avro Tros should go the EBU and the Police to make a complaint agains that cameralady as well as she did. Respect she can get, but if anyone doesn't respect me then it is over.

[@e.dewildt8608]

They did not like the criticising of israel by Joost that was the real reason!

[@jasporflex1976]

Nope

[@e.dewildt8608]

@@jasporflex1976 yep

[@jasporflex1976]

It was an aligation by a Sewdish broadcaster relating to harrasment. Stop being obsessed with Israel. You got any source for that claim.

[@e.dewildt8608]

@@jasporflex1976 That was a reason they try to frame it on but it was nothing. They were not happy that he trashed the EBU holding up a sign at the end of the second final that Finland was the real winner of 2023 saying to a question of the press if his number unites"ask the EBU" and the whole israel presser situation

[@itaycohen145]

This ignoring the many’s other competitors who criticized israel who have got kicked out from the competition thats just not true.

[@CMcG-ls7ji]

EBU🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@therealdj_dissiel7399]

He low-key desvered it he has no class at all

[@Djiejejdj]

​@@therealdj_dissiel7399 being EuroSceptical and AntiZionist is what got him DISQUALIFIED

[@Djiejejdj]

Being Eurosceptical and antiZionist is what got him disqualified

[@Littlekittypancake]

@@therealdj_dissiel7399that makes it even more bizarre if he got in the finals

[@thegreatawakening7945]

It really was the shoulder pads

[@shootingsportstransparency7461]

Keren Peles, the Israeli songwriter of the Israeli entry, was the camerawoman who taunted and filmed Joost Klein, while Joost allegedly indicated that he did not want to be filmed or photographed before she called in the police. In another surfaced video, Dov taunts Gil- Har, news anchor of an Israeli media company, asks Joost where he was during the rehearsal.

[@rdk6891]

Is this really true?

[@_._luckylucky_._]

The female filming him should be kicked out, not Joost. Does she know what privacy is?

[@assiaelmabrouki5552]

Double standards. She is a woman so she gets a free pass. Disgusting.

[@6904LoL]

@@Markiboy3cuz Eurovision is dumb

[@conniecarrozza5105]

Amazing small matter and they do not disqualify Israel?

[@anitamurkes9511]

Swedish police in our news said it had nothing to do with Israel !

[@ReligionOfSacrifice]

When Palestine is whole, Palestine then immediately melts per Isaiah 14:28-31.

[@ReligionOfSacrifice]

When Palestine is whole, Palestine then immediately melts per Isaiah 14:28-31.

[@buddhidev7877]

Disproportionate for sure

[@assiaelmabrouki5552]

@@Markiboy3 considering many countries were complaining about the Israel delegation and THIS is what the organizers prioritized... very admirable indeed

[@6904LoL]

@@Markiboy3yes she did,she invaded personal space

[@6904LoL]

@@Markiboy3 because she invaded personal space,that’s why joost took action with not violence or assault

[@nicolasnahody4599]

So if Joost is harrassed by the officials so easily, i do not see a reason to NOT go harass the Israeli performers. after all they got the 350 (tooootally not political) votes on a very very mid song

[@baila768]

Personally, I love her song. But all in all, just because you don't like a country's political views, doesn't mean the song isn't good. It's just you being petty.

[@nicolasnahody4599]

@@baila768 ​​⁠i do not care about their conflict, and even if I did, the song remains mid. It’s about decency and being afraid of political “correctness” in a NEUTRAL/NONPOLITICAL event

[@anitamurkes9511]

Very mid according to you ! Not the people of Europe ! Swedish police had said it had nothing to do with Israel ! Also harassment against Eden started at first minute of this consert ! But thas only turned out in favor of her. People see what a class act she is and how resilient to withstand all the bullying and booing ! Such a wonderful, talented and BRAVE girl !!!

[@anitamurkes9511]

⁠ First Lesson: Don’t generalize ! You should say I think this song was mid ! You speak as if you speak for everyone, which very obviously You don’t! Comes across arrogant !

[@nicolasnahody4599]

@@anitamurkes9511 womp womp

[@LpeuS777]

Press and anyone else do not only have rights.....

[@dutchieq3059]

Crew members can treat participants without respect and the participant gets expelled. Meanwhile de israeli delegation was taunting and threatening other countries and that was allowed??? EBU EXPLAIN THIS!!!!!!

[@HZV1911.]

When press workers disturbe others that is their rights, when someone desagree he is not good 😂😂😂😂😂

[@assiaelmabrouki5552]

@@Markiboy3 he put her camera down, so non physical agression, he alos asked them prior not to film him afterwards so she violated his right.

[@-xirx-]

It will all come out soon. There have been multiple complaints by multiple countries and performers all week over the israeli delegation's antics & harassment

[@TheF64Key]

I think they want Sweden to win again

[@chrisreed3929]

What a dysfunctional cabaret of sub par talent. Amazing to think that Abba's Waterloo came from this, but that was nearly 2 generations ago now.

[@tillypattiasina9206]

And who is the camerawoman / film star ........ none other than Keren Peles, the writer of the Israeli song !!!!!, Just became known and they are keeping it a secret. The main sponsor is Israeli, so fill in the rest .

[@kodokushi8321]

You think this is revenge for the press conference question?

[@Rasmus_jensen2011]

Wait what is your source?

[@nimaharoni1682]

Nope , it was a sweden camera woman

[@jasporflex1976]

Why only focus on the Israeli company? There are dozens of different companies from different countries sponsoring the eurovision. Are you trying to say that the Jews are pulling the strings behind the scenes?

[@e.dewildt8608]

@@kodokushi8321 100% and by claiming(JOOST) whit a sign at the end of the second final that Finland was the true 2023 winner . And reacting on a press question if his number unites he replied "ask the EBU" They looked for a reason to kick him out and found it! All woke nonsens and by the way what won the eurovision 2024 it was not a male or female🤨

[@user-lj9wc3hk2p]

Even if he just gave a shoulder shove or something else 'little', you know it's all going to be blown up in these tense times. Just his behavior with that flag at the press conference. Europapat boom, end of exercise? Or would the young gentleman have thought this all up in advance and misbehaved on the spot, like a bomb at the Eurovision Song Contest? Now that would be an artistic punk performance act that UvA students will talk about for a long time.

[@Tzafnat_Paneaj_papi]

Looks like european peso pluma

[@Hahahaf6kdroeoHehenykuotbyumvn]

Same thing to manga in 2010 they need be winner but germany won it

[@rosemarques9973]

Ce type était un sous-développé aller dehors😅

[@monse4858]

Well, sure he did not want to be filmed, but threatening a member of the eurovision crew is also not a smart idea when he should've just walked away, but he made it worse by not ignoring her His own fault

[@assiaelmabrouki5552]

The camerawoman violated his right multiple times. He made an agreement with the organizers not to be filmed after his performance cause he feared he would get too emotional. What you're saying is basically victim blaming. reat mindset.

[@james2156]

Looked a freak anyway

[@Lovelugo]

Okay???And your point is?

[@Djiejejdj]

Why? Cus he white?

[@anitamurkes9511]

The comments are really ”spårar ut” as we say in swedish - derailing !

[@Thenoob3336]

Byyyyyeee