TFL Hobby Pursuit Speedboat on 6S! :)

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Specs:
Length: 82cm - 32.3"
Width: 24cm - 9.5"
Height: 16cm - 6.3"
Weight: 3.8kg - 143 oz
Motor: 3660 1620KV
ESC: 125A
Servo: not included
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[@eduardonessim4499]

1. To be able to run it with 6S you need to change your esc for a 180 amp esc ! Your lipos are ok.. The 120 or even a 150 amp esc cannot handle 22.2 v ..thats why your lipos get hot. Look at a hobbyking seaking 180 amp esc . 2. In order to calibrate your esc with your control ...plug the batt to your esc , before you turn on yout esc put the trigger to the full throttle position , the esc will.make two beep sounds , then let the trigger to neutral pisition , the esc will make another beeping sound and stop ...you are all set.... With 2x3S 5000 mah batt you can run it hard for 5 mins. No problem. No heat issues at all...change your esc now ...

[@DutchRC]

Thank you very much for your input and maybe it will benefit other viewers :) The video is 4.5 years old by now though :$ I don't have this boat anymore...

[@kurtgreenwald8421]

Change your Deans Style connector to 5 or 6mm bullet plugs. your motor and esc draw more amps than they can handle, and rob you of power and creating heat in your lipos . Lipo packs for a boat should have a minimum of a 40c continuous Discharge Rate as well. Try a Octura x445 prop with these changes and your boat will fly across the water.

[@DutchRC]

Thanks for the input Kurt :) I replaced the connectors with XT90's (cause my lipo's had that connector).. The 90C lipo's I mean.. That combo was an improvement for sure.. I have not tried different props yet.. Thanks again :)

[@sandragerjanvanboggelen1275]

DutchRC Adventures , hallo , ik ga gewoon even in het nederlands als dat mag , ik zoek voor mijn p1 mono een mooi drive systeem. keuze is de tfl z drive of de p1 drive die de door jou gevaren is. Als ik je dit mag vragen hoe bevalt de p1 drive op dit moment ? heb je hem nog flink kunnen testen ? gr Gerjan

[@DutchRC]

Hallo Gertjan :) de Z-drive is uiteraard Wel een technisch mooi systeem hè? :) Of dat beter vaart weet ik niet, maar in wedstrijd setups wordt vrijwel altijd de P1 setup gebruikt. Inmiddels heb ik de boot weer verkocht trouwens (al die RC's die ik test ook maar houden kan echt niet ;)) maar ik heb er aardig wat mee gevaren en ik vond hem lekker varen (met de juiste lipo's)..

[@huskedworkz1766]

How did the top cover stayed in the body I didn't see it get taped ?🤔

[@DutchRC]

On the version I had, the hatch gets screwed in place :) you can see the silver thumb-screw in the middle of the hatch

[@tedshen1716]

For hobbywing esc if there is no difference on 75% throttle and 100%, you d better check if the motor connection is backwards. You may need to reverse the motor connection and transmission setting. the These ESCs have a 50%power limit for backwords.

[@roady1710]

I cannot believe you're running 6s in that boat I mean I know you are I saw you put the PacSun but it is very slow what's going on with it... I know late question but hope you got it fixed...

[@DutchRC]

it indeed IS a while back yes! :D I think it was a combination of the hardware setup (motor + prop) not being optimal and my lipo's might not have been up to the task (they got a bit Warm)

[@roady1710]

@@DutchRC put up another video of the boat running good or faster that'd be great

[@DiscoverRC]

pretty quick there Dutch! Let's go 8 or 10s next :)

[@DutchRC]

+Discover RC Ghehehe! Hmm the ESC would definately not like That ;) I've asked TFL about the cailibration sequence.. If that doesn't help I'll probably replace the ESC.. Cheers & thanks for watching sir :)

[@JohnVHRC]

Really slow for 6s, I expected more. Seems more like 3s. Maybe something is wrong in there? Stable looking boat though, have fun!

[@DutchRC]

+JohnVH541 It is stable and corners well.. Should it be faster? YES.. Offcourse part of the test was to see if the electronics could actually handle 6S.. No problem there.. Now it needs more powerfull lipo's AND some tuning on the trims & prop-angle.. Thanks for watching offcourse John!

[@odie175]

CHECK THE TIMMING ,, I BET THEM BATT ARE COLD

[@TheRCAddict]

Hmm, that is interesting. Seems like it has lots of power, but not all that much speed (For 6S). Perhaps it is under propped? Any idea how many amps that pulls? Seems like those big batteries, even with a low C, should be able to handle it because of capacity?

[@DutchRC]

+The RCAddict Well.. there is trimming to be done, but in this test the main issue was the lipo's.. No matter what the specs are, they got WARM.. which means they had trouble providing the required amps.. But.. I am allso a bit fed up with this boat by now.. I want something bigger And (offcourse) faster :P

[@TheRCAddict]

DutchRC Adventures Yeah, true. If they got hot no good.

[@DutchRC]

+The RCAddict Yeah.. they do well in my Traxxas E-Revo (big heavy car).. but well.. goes to show how power-hungry boats are...

[@TheRCAddict]

DutchRC Adventures Oh yeah, lots of drag.

[@theibault]

Not bad, looks like fun.

[@DutchRC]

+Theibault Sure.. it does drive well.. It should be faster though :)

[@pissedoffpetedotcom]

I have used old 65c batteries that were just worn out. I couldn't understand why my zelos 36 was so slow but with some new turnigy graphene 5000 3s 65c or 70c it was night and day and back to being a beast. I bought 6 on sale for about 38$ each on a great sale from hobbyking. Sometimes batteries just lose their punch

[@DutchRC]

This is definately true yes :) but ouch man.. I just spend €160 on 2 6S lipo's last week.. That hurts :P

[@RCVHX22]

vrij traag voor 6s lipo!! of komt dat misschien dat je in rondjes vaart ツ... maar nog steeds een zeer mooie video! Big Duim omhoog mooi werk 👍👍

[@DutchRC]

+RC VHX 22 Dank u :) Ik was inderdaad vooral rondjes aan het varen Maarrrr hij moet inderdaad nog wel harder gaan ;) Ik heb nog wat tunen te doen dus.. EN hij wil duidelijk graag krachtiger lipo's :)

[@stevegabriel6982]

Thought you melted those Dean's trying to unplug.

[@DutchRC]

Haha :D yeahhh so that did actually happen in a RC Car :P

[@harisbennington4058]

Personally in my opinion you should change those deans connectors for ec5 or xt90

[@DutchRC]

yeah.. if I would build a boat like this I would indeed use XT90's..

[@FLSharkdiver]

What kind of run times are you getting on 6s w/ the stock prop?

[@DutchRC]

Depends on how hard tou run it ofcourse but I got 4 to 6 minutes of runtime out of it

[@FLSharkdiver]

@@DutchRC Thanks, what did you do to make it 6s, change out the ESC ?

[@DutchRC]

@@FLSharkdiver yes sir :) I replaced it with a Turnigy Marine ESC (Hobbyking).. a 180A I think (bit overkill probably)

[@roxstedy]

It sounds like it only runs on 3s, are you sure that adapter you have is a series adaptor? Because i think its wired as parallel now.

[@DutchRC]

Ghehe yeah.. I can understand that line of thought.. I am indeed sure it was running on 6S though.. Those lipo's just didn't really cut it though

[@mikesrccorner]

pretty cool man... yes somewhat faster! would be nice to know about calibration the throttle though, i wonder if you can get more out of that. it looked like it was going maybe 40km an hour if i was to guess. i agree it can handle a lot more power. time for a minimum 60C rated batteries! glad those gens ace lipos didn't puff! thanks for sharing D-RC. cheers buddy

[@DutchRC]

+Mike's RC Corner Yes sir :) It indeed is faster now, and I was happy the electronics could handle it.. Not having the throttle calibration sequence is Anoying (understatement) though.. Yeah.. the GE lipo's are still A-oke.. Perfectly balanced and not puffy at all :) But.. yeah.. a good set of lipo's huh? Costly :P (as in +/- $100).. Thank You for watching & commenting again mate!

[@huskedworkz1766]

Those jst's should be XT90's or 6mm bullet plugs maybe thats why the lipos heated up jst plugs cant handle high amperage draws

[@garrettdrago9424]

Hello, have you worked out what works best for this boat? Did you make any changes? What boat would you recommend?

[@DutchRC]

Howdy Garrett, yes.. I sued higher-C rate lipo's (Hobbyking Graphene's).. that worked a Lot better.. In essense the boat itself is great (I have 2 of them).. but I'd prefer just ordering the hull & selecting a power-train by hand..

[@jkflorida]

Great video! But that looks pretty slow for 6s.

[@DutchRC]

+JKFlorida Thanks brother :) Yeah.. looks like the lipo's weren't really up to the job AND I have some tuning to do as well..

[@The_Book_Of_M]

How do you like the integrated drive system compared to a conventional system?

[@DutchRC]

Howdy Michael :) I'm not completely sure what you ment with 'integrated drive system' :$ Did you mean the supplied electronics & hardware??

[@The_Book_Of_M]

This version of the Pursuit has a 1-piece motor mount/stuffing tube rather than the conventional setup. That a moves the motor toward the stern and shortens the flex shaft. See here: www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=tfl-B42530 How do you like it compared to the conventional setup?

[@DutchRC]

Ah yes.. It's actually funny you ask this as I have another Persuit that is even More unconventional :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/bovWo6N4fdeeptU (OLD video) .. On this newer Pursuit I didn't really find Issues with the setup.. It does leave you with more options for the battery placement by the way.. Other then that I have to again say most of my other builds were completely different (bigger boats.. yet propulsion etc).. For me this Pursuit wasn't really fast enough with the stock setup, but I don't think that has anything to do with the layout..

[@arnoldchildress8053]

You have an issue somewheres them six s's it or two blast

[@edwincordero8]

Hi sir. A higher C discharge rate will make very happy (50C discharge rate or higher). Lower than 50C will damage your batts. Drag is higher in water. Just my h.o.

[@DutchRC]

Agreed sir :) I just got a couple of 5000mah 3S 65C lipo's in :) (and a bigger boat as well :$)

[@Tomberland84]

Ik zie dat je onlangs ook de hobbyking Inception speedboot hebt getest. Welke bevalt beter? Deze TFL Pursuit of de Inception? De inception is langer maar is van ABS (kunstof) gemaakt. De pursuit van fiberglass maar is kleiner. Lastig....

[@DutchRC]

Ja hmm ik heb em nog niet vaak genoeg gebruikt of die ABS romp duurzaam is.. Ik heb nog een andere Pursuit, en die doet et al jaren prima.. sja.. moeilijk inderdaad :)

[@Tomberland84]

+DutchRC Adventures En qua vaareigenschappen? Nog voordelen voor de een of ander?

[@DutchRC]

De Pursuit is een bewezen romp :) Die vaart zonder meer goed.. De Inception vind ik echter ook Prima vaareigenschappen hebben.. Dat aspect is niet een reden om de 1 boven de ander te verkiezen...

[@Tomberland84]

DutchRC Adventures En inmiddels enkele maanden verder? De Inception is out of the box sneller lijkt mij. En stuurt messcherp. Ik heb hem zelf ook sinds kort ;)

[@DutchRC]

Out of the box is de Inception Zeker sneller ja.. Als ik een weer Pursuit zou kopen, zou ik em zonder motor enz bestellen, en er zelf een setup voor kiezen.. Voor de rest komt het vooral neer op 'welke vind je mooier' denk ik :)

[@jdjohn4360]

I don’t think your esc is understanding it is running a 6 cell. Should be running much faster maybe you should upgrade your esc and your motor from king hobby 41 bucks for motor and better prop should do 70 miles per hr. All the best!!👍

[@DutchRC]

I completely agree yes. I don't have the boat anymore by now, but this RTR setup wasn't a good mix of parts indeed :) The ESC was actually o.k. but I replaced the motor (Leopard) and prop.. that helped a lot

[@x-flight1015]

Very nice, I need to get into boating now ;)

[@DutchRC]

+X-FLIGHT101 Ghehe this was more like it or what? ;)

[@x-flight1015]

Still could go a lot faster I think, looks pretty slow compared to other boats that run on 6s.

[@DutchRC]

+X-FLIGHT101 Ehm well.. 6S doesn't automatically mean it will have a high speed.. But yeah.. it should be faster.. with the lipo's getting hot, I am Sure those didn't output enough power..

[@ShenRC]

Good video!Still looks slow I have those same lipos and there good lipos for 3800 capacity you should have only ran that boat for like 3min the most. I still have to say your hull is running wet it's trimmed to be pushed down in the water .... On a chop water like you shown a boat should pop up and out and jump a bit across the surface if it was set up right for a smooth water surface... I think you need to angle up the rear trim tabs a bit and adjust the prop angle up a bit in the rear and it will scoot faster along the water.

[@DutchRC]

+shenlonco Okee.. what if I would not want the boat to jump / pop up? But yeah I agree.. It probably is running to wet.. I'll indeed turn up the trim tabs on a next run (or even remove them alltogether)..

[@ShenRC]

You got to play with it a bit adjust the trim tabs up a bit see how it goes and then if you can adjust the prop angle up a hair try that out , you don't want the boat popping out of the water you want it raised up so it skims across the waters surface smoothly.

[@DutchRC]

+shenlonco Thanks for the input brother :) Yeah. small steps indeed.. Obviously I wont be shooting video's on every little change ;) (I'd like to feature a few other boats I have here as well :$)

[@TheMartin8080]

Heb je de polariteit wel goed lijkt wel of die de achteruit staat

[@DutchRC]

Je zou het haast denken hè? ;) Ik denk dat deze lipo's niet genoeg Amps konden leveren.. Binnenkort zal ik nog es proberen met 90C lipo's (de polariteit was Wel goed)

[@frederickgrassie3383]

How about you get a temp gun??

[@DutchRC]

yeah.. then again.. the video is over 6 years old ;)

[@janbobis]

That's slow in 6s. At 4s it's supposed to be fast already! Did you calibrated the ESC first?

[@DutchRC]

I did'.. It's partially the lipo's I used, but still.. the stock setup just isn't very fast.. it needs a different propellor or higher Kv motor to really come alive..

[@parjacpar3077]

Can you recommend a 30A ESc for a boat with reverse ?

[@DutchRC]

Boat ESC's generally do Not have a reverse.. For this yacht I use CAR-esc's for that reason: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGizma2lq5eGrZo

[@AB-80X]

Here you go. These are cheap and will get the job done well. hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-marine-30a-bec-waterproof-speed-controller-with-water-cooling.html

[@jackdorsett740]

Is Sean Connery speaking?

[@DutchRC]

Haha :D I get that comment every once in a while ;)

[@jackdorsett740]

@@DutchRC You can be a 900 operator for the older ladies, would make a mint;)

[@DutchRC]

@@jackdorsett740 as long as it's shaken.. not stirred ;)

[@jaffnadw]

Oups ! C’est pas trop chaud ça ?

[@DutchRC]

to hot? it was o.k. I think but the was Not very fast ;)

[@jaffnadw]

@@DutchRC Auriez-vous des températures exactes des batteries, du moteur et de l’ESC ? Car, pour moi, si vous n’arrivez pas à laisser le doigt sur la chose plus de deux secondes c’est que la température est trop élevée. Mais maintenant, je pense que vous devez connaître les limites de températures, surtout en bateau, je pense que un bateau qui brûle au milieu de l’eau il n’y a plus rien à récupérer. Mais ça m’intéresse d’avoir les températures des différents éléments, car je voudrais bien me faire un bateau et je récupère donc toutes les informations. Mais je ne sais pas encore le type de bateau, je me renseigne. Merci. C’est vrai qu’il ne va pas très vite, je ne sais pas quel est le moteur utilisé, mais il ne me semble pas très gros. Il doit être de dimension : 3650 ou 3660 ? Ou, avec le 6s ce serait 3670 ?

[@RCnerd74]

This looks like slow motion for a 6s setup ;o)

[@DutchRC]

yes.. the stock setup isn't super fast.. a different propeller would probably help :)

[@rambotnik]

how many mah are those 3S lipo?

[@DutchRC]

those were 3300mah's .. But bigger is probably better (+/- 4000mah)

[@khairulrizwan8834]

adjust your endpoint throttle brother

[@DutchRC]

thanks :)

[@scottfirman]

That stinks,with 6 lipo that should have really tore it up. I am thinking that a different ESC would change things. Yes I know,you shouldnt have to,but,sometimes its better to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you cant get what you need,its time to do what is right. Remember its called a " Speed Control". I change them out in my Dynam planes and recently had to on my Apprentice so I hold no love for the installed ESC's. If I can get more power from a Turnigy,guess what I am using..... Its a nice boat. Clearly the motor can handle it. I just think the Speed controller is choking back on all that power. thats why the batterys were so hot. I know the ESC wasnt hot, but it wasnt letting out all the juice eather.

[@DutchRC]

+scott firman It would at Least have been nice if the manual contains a way to calibrate the ESC.. It indeed should / could have been faster.. THough I should add I think the lipo's just weren't up to the job..

[@scottfirman]

+DutchRC Adventures Thats the main reason to replace that ESC what good is it if you cant even program it,if it loses its programming,your screwed anyways. I dont know how fresh the batterys were but still would scrap that unknow ESC.

[@DutchRC]

+scott firman Yes sir.. Well, I've asked TFL about the ESC (I have a semi direct line to them).. IF that doesn't help I'll slot in a ESC for which I do have a setup procedure ;)

[@amisol4995]

This Pursuit hits 81mph on 6S: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioS6nXZ7j5l5bdE

[@DutchRC]

thanks. Great! :D

[@lorenzglobits9291]

pretty slow for 6s lipo...but still a very nice video! THumbs up! ;)

[@DutchRC]

+RcToThe FREAK Thanks brother :) Yes.. I'm not sure what to think of the throttle-range thing with the ESC..

[@coldude2559]

it still looks a little slow for 6s

[@DutchRC]

Yep.. I agree.. much better, but I'd still want more speed indeed

[@dazspurs9899]

my boat on 4s would absolutly kill that something not right there nice boat though

[@DutchRC]

Howdy Daz :) well yeah.. on 4S it's really Slowisch ;) It's simply set up to be a 6S boat I guess.. And yep.. it Does look nice :)

[@DutchRC]

ps: I actually have a boat that is much faster on only 2S ;)

[@dazspurs9899]

DutchRC Adventures which is?

[@DutchRC]

This one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGizma2lq5eGrZo nope.. I'm not running her fast in this video.. This was a test after restoring it (it's a vintage boat which now has 2 brushless airplane motors)

[@dazspurs9899]

DutchRC Adventures no offense mate that one looks slow

[@MikeRCChannel70]

I thought on 6S this boat should be faster.

[@DutchRC]

+MikeRC Channel Same here :) Got some work left to do to make it faster ;)

[@bluelightning1974]

you can't run stock motor on 6s. your going to burn that motor up. I have the same boat. I'm running seaking 120A, Leopard 3674 2200kv SMC 4s 6500mah 60C, prop M445 and doing 45MPH.

[@DutchRC]

That is weird Will.. TFL itself told me the setup can be run at 6S no problem. Yeah. with the right setup this hull can indeed do very well. I know :)

[@AB-80X]

@Dutch Adventures Not sure why Will is telling you that this motor is not 6S capable, it most certainly is. It's a very conservative setup in fact and it's rated for 37 volts to be exact. Not sure why anyone would give advice when they don't know what's what. What I'm struggling with is the fact that TFL chose a motor with a 1620 KV rating which is simply not enough for this setup. The prop needed to get some good speed, will be too big and cause drag and prop torque issues. I guess they tried to build a very conservative setup that was super safe. Best thing you can do is this. Get either a new SSS 3674 2000 KV motor or even better, get one of these in the 9D spec. It will run strong on 4S and be blisteringly fast on 6S - and you'll even save some weight. While they are not the cheapest nor most expensive motors out there, the TP motors is pretty much only rivaled by Lehner. Castle, Leopard, NEU etc. are not even close. TP Power is the best kept secret in the RC community. www.tppowereurope.com/Webwinkel-Product-49252497/TP3630.html

[@0831dlewis]

This boat should easily be a 45 mph boat on 4s. Something is wrong in your setup.

[@DutchRC]

Well this is just the out-of-the-box setup, which I guess is more tuned towards 6S.. My other Pursuit for instance is quite a bit faster then this on 3S even..

[@pietlopsa9164]

yes he should change the motor setup. Try an motor with bigger kv. My boat has a 2400 kv Motor and runs with 4s over 40 mph.

[@pietlopsa9164]

Try to change your prop

[@DutchRC]

More pitch I think?

[@pietlopsa9164]

yeah or just a bigger prop. If you have too much pitch you might get a problem with cavitation.

[@AB-80X]

Piet Lopsa How on earth can too much pitch create cavitation? Do you know what cavitation is? Too much pitch will simply strain the powertrain and boil everything. On top of that, the boat will perform poorly as in having a hard time getting on plane, cause ventilation, blowouts etc. But too much pitch will not cause issues with cavitation in an application such as this. In surfacing applications you normally see cavitation in situations where you have a damaged prop. That goes for RC boats as well as full scale powerboats. What to look for is cavitation burns. Damage to leading or trailing edges or nicks in the blade etc. will cause cavitation. If you keep your prop free of stress risers and blend in nicks, you don't have to worry about cavitation or sheared blades.

[@jay_rc_7809]

This is ridiculous slow for 6s... pretty useless to use deans for anything above 3s... get proper batterys and connectors

[@DutchRC]

not sure if it was the connectors but I would have used different ones had I build this boat indeed :)

[@Wazza722]

Thats slow for 6s.up the c rating on your lipos

[@DutchRC]

Correct.. those lipo's weren't up to the job indeed..

[@林先生-y1n9d]

臺灣有沒有進

[@DutchRC]

Damn.. that is a shame.. Do you know why that is?

[@codystar708]

Ma sei scarso a provare le barche, non la fai nemmeno planare.