Mini V12 On The Dyno - (How Much HP Do These Mini Engines Make?)

[@MickeyMishra]

JAW DROPPED!

[@WarpedYT]

😊 thank you so much !!!! Super appreciated!

[@DreStyle]

@@MickeyMishra 🤔

[@zaca911]

@@WarpedYT add a turbo maybe?

[@TheMilanMovies]

Surprising how different it sounds with the different ECU!

[@hexagonal7708]

yeah it changes a lot

[@Fred_the_1996]

Stronger spark and more complete combustion if i had to guess, those RC engine coil packs tend to be very weak

[@neo1231]

Probably ignition timing

[@MigotRen]

@@neo1231 yeah. all cylinders firing with proper timing makes this actually run good. NGL i was dissapoint with the out of the box performance. you coudld hear it not running properly. Now with this ecu, this actually sounds like v12

[@WarpedYT]

​@@Fred_the_1996I don't think it's the strength of the spark I think it's more the timing, like I said in the video that ignition box is junk, wait till you see what I have in store for the next one, I have a couple other videos in between but I'm trying to pump out more content now So it shouldn't be much longer.

[@ethanmonat]

In the case of this engine, Cheap Chinese Junk has graduated from being cheap to being expensive. $3000 for a mini V12 with this many issues?

[@MickeyMishra]

I bet you Warped could make a better engine and sell the kit for a better price that does what it says and delivers.

[@Ang3lUki]

@@MickeyMishra just get an RC nitro engine, they make more power while weighing a fraction the amount. They aren't desk toys like this pile of junk, they're meant to actually GO FAST

[@LegacyThoughts]

Now I still agree that it is cheap Chinese junk but, to be fair clearances at this scale would be nearly impossible to get right. Its difficult at full scale for real engines. My guess is that these little engines would never last in something like an RC that gets used regularly.

[@user-ue6iv2rd1n]

It would cost more then double that if it was made in the USA.

[@gunsandcommissions]

@@user-ue6iv2rd1n But it would work and last. Time is extremely valuable and is the most finite resource we have.

[@NMCBKIAWIA]

That ECU made a huge difference in the way it ran. Kudos to you for having the patience to wire that in. I feel like tuned headers can improve the power band. And yes of course, turbo or SC.

[@multishit6664]

N/A these have insane potential its already running nitro methane. It needs serious head work. Valve size, shape, material. Porting. Springs. Cams etc. There was once a man who was doing this in Germany with a flow bench..Many years of experience with exotic materials but unfortunately hes in terrible heath and never continued.

[@TheMrDarius]

I mean before it sounded anemic as hell and not firing on all holes but now with the ecu swap it sounds like a v12.

[@DreStyle]

The timing and spark is so much better, you can hear it now is very good with burning the fuel, a good indicator is the amount of smoke that's missing

[@EskWIRED]

I think he needs to take a look at the rings.

[@DreStyle]

@@EskWIRED what rings?

[@EskWIRED]

@@DreStyle the ones that would have kept his countertop from being drenched with oil

[@greentree76]

It now sounds like a completely different engine. Great job mate

[@float32]

Yeah the manufacturer clearly had no idea what they were doing.

[@alex4alexn]

would love to watch you open up that v12

[@WarpedYT]

Coming soon

[@DIY-Garage]

*_I love destructive tests like this! Next, open it up to see the damage and it's weak points. Awesome work on this one Matt._*

[@echobeefpv8530]

The little engines are really cool to watch, but 3K $ for 1 Hp more or less ? It also seems you are going to need at least a new main bearing, probably much more. Interesting, but really not high enough quality to be much more than a conversation piece. A channel called Johnny Q90 ( I think ) , has already built up a whole RC car , complete with manual trans with a similar engine. Thanks for the video, hope you find more projects.

[@goosenotmaverick1156]

JohnnyQ90 is a legend

[@renaissanceman5847]

For $3000 you can get a running LS engine from a junk yard. Sad to think that a .90 nitro engine can make 5x more hp for less than $500. These engines are nothing but overpriced display pieces.

[@AussieDaz87]

I can’t believe there is so little power coming out of 50cc’s, I guess it just not efficient for that many cylinders at that size. Compared to a 50cc two stroke in a mini motocross bike it’s terrible.

[@MicraHakkinen]

My guess was 1hp, nice to see I was pretty close :) A shame though that the manufacturer's ignition system performed so poorly. And the amount of runout on the flywheel is just unacceptable for this product in my opinion.

[@louisstout5890]

Dude, your level of dedication and focus in making these awesome videos is unmatched on KZbin! You are a genius sir! Keep up the great work!

[@WarpedYT]

Thank you, that's one of the reasons it takes so long, but now I'm trying to see how I can do everything faster so I can put out more videos, I have so much diversity I want to bring to KZbin not just engines and stuff... Thank you so much

[@TheCluelessEnthusiast]

I was very impressed with your ignition system. Sounded so much better

[@mechanic1316]

That unit made a sick difference!!!!!!

[@HRM.H]

Im guessing around 4.3 HP. Edit; i was wayyy off 😂

[@newdefsys]

I guessed 5hp. That was a bit optimistic.

[@Pug-man01]

Considering a honda grom only makes 9.7 hp and thats enough to make someone who weighs 150lbs go 60 mph 1hp is pretty good for something that you can pick up with one hand

[@TheZombieSaints]

I thought around the same, maybe 3.5

[@ManuelGarcia-ww7gj]

Small engines suffer because they have very high friction to overcome. This suggests that you disassemble the engine, examine each part for wear, and then replace all of them with new parts that have been balanced and blue printed.

[@MickeyMishra]

I'm thinking roller bearings for everything would really make this engine worthwhile. But getting tolerance for something like that would be real challenge.

[@WarpedYT]

​@@MickeyMishraThat is correct and that is definitely the challenge

[@WarpedYT]

That's exactly what I'm going to do I'm going to make This engine Chinese American lol. I'm going to do that in the next video info with this one. I have a couple videos in between the next video I have a Harley video coming up, but after that I got one more and then I'm going to do the tear down

[@EskWIRED]

With the flywheel so far out of true, I think there's little hope for the bearings.

[@WarpedYT]

@@EskWIRED They were pretty loose before I even started I just didn't show it because I don't want to give the engine a bad name.

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

It's crazy how a little electric drill has more power than this

[@bigpig187]

Absolutely not ! It's making 1.25HP so 0.9KW, i don't think your battery electric drill will output 900w. Please don't mix torque and horsepower, yeah my impact wrench will do 400nm but with less than a turn, i can also could lock a nut to 100nm by hand but it's much harder to do it at 10k rpm

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

@@bigpig187 Battery drills run about 2.5 horsepower. Even the most basic non branded plug in drills are 1500w

[@WarpedYT]

Electric drills are an engineering marvel TBH, kinda in the same category as Smart Phones

[@WarpedYT]

you have a good point but i think they meant torque

[@bigpig187]

@@mrcaboosevg6089Apparently a Makita 18V battery can output 30A peak in a powertool and 20A continuous.. 30A*18V=540W peak ; 20A*18V=360W continuous. Add a 80% efficient brushless motor and you have 480W peak drill... If you have a constant 1.8KW drill, it would break my wrist, AND be my new power washer motor. But yeah if plugged in my tea bolier make 3.4KW and it means nothing you can power anything with wall AC

[@Daniel_Blake]

With a lot of these engines. They're built for either desktop runners or to go in to RC's. Mostly because of the materials use. Crank shafts are soft as anything on these engines.

[@Fred_the_1996]

Yeah, the steel is very low carbon

[@MigotRen]

could you put on some 6 into 1 headers on this with expansion chambers. i wonder how close this coudl get to f1 sounds. there is a great video on how this works by maisteer "How F1 sound is Made"

[@WarpedYT]

I think that's the next step, I do have another V12 up next right after this one, yeah I watch his channel actually, the videos are really good but very strange which is sometimes refreshing on KZbin.

[@CS-pl8fc]

That looked like an immense amount of work lol. Very cool though

[@grant31781]

I did sound a lot more like a full size engine when you put your ignition system on it. Sweet sounding engine! I think a single cylinder 50cc makes 2 to 3 hp so 1.25 seems reasonable since there is a lot more friction going on and the bore sizes are so small. Probably not much compression.

[@Ang3lUki]

A 3cc 2-stroke nitro single cylinder makes 2 horsepower. This thing is an inefficient noisemaker desk toy.

[@tomclanys]

@@Ang3lUki this isn't nitro.

[@lexkroese8468]

A single cylinder 50CC can make up to 20 HP/19000 rpm (GP 50CC race bike).

[@StroDshiesty1]

@@lexkroese8468way to shoot at the stars we’re talking about things that normal hobbyists or tinkerers can’t actually own

[@terrancemoody205]

Bro, that thing sounds 2 to 3 times better. Since you did the retrofit.

[@billynomates920]

yes please! let's see inside after that.

[@terrancemoody205]

The more I watch the video, the more ideas I see with that engine. I wonder if you can build a Mini Dodge Ram TRX. That would be crazy ✌🏾

[@Leonardokite]

I love how you never give up. And building that ECU / ignition was absolutely amazing, and I made that engine run fantastic. I also love how those exhaust pipes were dropping off left and right as they heated up. You were right, the aluminum was not up to the job LOL

[@Shauny808]

Besides all else, that thing sounded beautiful at 9000rpm. Great vid 🤙🏼

[@ejcrashed]

Man, you area an absolute madlad, using an MS3 PRO with this little engine, i cant think of anything more overkill and marvelous at the same time, and the end result was 200% worthy, i have never seen one of these buggers with that throttle response!

[@Kamala_TheGreatThinker]

Thannks! I always wondered how efficient these little enginers were. For a 50 cc engine, 1.25 horsepower means it was outputing 0.41 horsepower per cubic inch. That high value really surprised me. Impressive little engines.

[@nerfgodbigguy1405]

Feel like it would make more for sure ,the crankshaft needs to be made better since it real low carbon steel. Maybe with some tweaking it could do more? Either way ,it sounded sweet at 9000rpm🔥. Cant wait to see what you have planned though.👌

[@11164kloc]

🤔.... JUST TREAT IT SAME way as a big engine 👍💯 and you should get more power more COOLING and longer exhaust

[@GavinElliott-hu9wp]

That’s wild bro insane thought process you have

[@rod3134]

I guess you'll have to add a pair of turbos next🤣❤...👍🏽 Great Job 👍🏽

[@ShaunJV12]

It's amazing how much difference your coils/ECU made. I'd love to hear it bounce on the rev limiter

[@oneforall549]

This is absolutely insane!! That sounds unreal wow man!

[@Djoki1]

Sounds like a proper V12 with custom ignition system. Stock system seems to be trash.

[@just.jose.youtube]

Great hard work! Congratulations! Would love to see it's guts and powering some vehicle! V12 kid's bicycle sounds fun. :p

[@DrifterDavid]

Holy shit after you hooked up that ms3 wowzza that was a completely different engine!

[@CarsandCats]

Nobody talking about the Zoomies melting off? Pretty sure I'd remove them all after the first one fell. I just can't understand how he didn't see it - oh that's right! It's his SPONSOR made shit zoomies so he's pretending not to see it.

[@schleepyrandy]

he did admit that making them out of aluminum might've been a mistake in the video, if you paid attention

[@1marcelfilms]

The shills have taken over youtube

[@kaboom362]

Seems the headers gave it better Volumetric Efficiency. Must be just the right amount of exhaust back pressure. Love how you adapted the replacement fuel management system. You're a pro. Super excited for the teardown and inspection. I'm guessing some type of coolant breech. Perhaps head gasket blew

[@WarpedYT]

Thanks! Yes It maybe a head gasket I'm going to tear it down soon for a video... This engine is definitely way better quality than most of the others have had previously, but will really see the difference internally

[@TheBrokenMountainBiker]

SOunded more like a 4cyl with the stock ECU, with that MS3 it sings so nice

[@marshgatelaneposse]

This video has made my weekend top notch work with the ignition system

[@Christdeliverme]

What fantastic work on the ECU!🎉 Actually with the entire thing.

[@fdloop]

I will mount it on my MBX bike

[@RollingFish91154]

Bruh💀

[@oldshovelhead]

The ECU made a huge difference as well has the headers (adding back-pressure). With the first run and most HP, your exhaust headers were intact - as the testing continued, header pipes started to fall off as you mentioned they might, and the HP dropped. Along with other issues, IMO the loss of back-pressure due to lost header pipes may be one of the major culprits in lost HP. My 2cents.

[@ProlificInvention]

*Warped Perception* is the GOAT...been watching since way way back. Excellent and interesting as always

[@julianneale6128]

It didn't sound bad with the original ecu. But after you got it set up for the dyno, it sounded really nice. I'm so interested to see you strip the engine, to see if you can get mpre power.

[@Chem-s3o]

Turbo install?--- YES please :D:D would be fun.:D:D:D

[@tslim250]

what happened to Warped Perception? Its just warped now? :( WTF?

[@WarpedYT]

I made it shorter, Warped was the original name, I have much more diverse content and i needed a little bit more freedom, Warped Perception was a little too long for my taste and is perfect for Slow-Mo videos but I have so much more than that I want to show everybody so Warped will make more sense shortly. Sorry but I need more views to make more $$ to make bigger projects and for that I need to Streamline.

[@tslim250]

@@WarpedYT nah i get it man, i just was shocked and thought something happend. and yeah you're right. hope it does well for you, i dig you're stuff!

[@random_ostrich]

You gotta make it work in a remote-controlled car 🚗

[@samholdsworth420]

But a 2 stroke nitro engine would destroy this thing in power to weight ratio

[@jdlives8992]

That’s pretty sick what you did with the ecm. That’s a lot of work. Post script. Make a remote controlled speed boat!

[@MightyCalves]

Holy crap how good it sounded after the new ECU! Like a mini ferrari v12

[@2down4up]

Personally I enjoyed watching the headers melt off one at a time. Probably a good indication of which cylinders are running the leanest. With each attempt the results got worse, what’s that about repeating the same thing and expecting a diffident outcome? Assuming the internals are ok and the pistons didn’t go soft, need some headers with collectors and some longer intake runners.

[@635574]

That would make a badass sounding kart or lawnmower.

[@sinewave3323]

Hey bro! I hope all is good! This was super cool! I was really excited to see this! I really love your small engine vids alot.

[@reetspetit]

Fab. Love it. Keep it up. Better headers for better back pressure/power Amount of exhaust oil? Is that two stroke oil?

[@AL6S00740]

holy shit you are a magician

[@knarfknarf69]

Yes tear apart show how it failed this engine owes you nothing would be a good tear down!!!

[@Fh-rw9gn]

I whoud love to see one of these engines ported and with a bigger carb and a bigger exaust becouse the stock looks really restricttive

[@danhard8440]

with your mill you could have probably made your own better

[@bucko5301]

Super cool. I would guess the hp loss partly due to the headers falling apart and also the increasing vibration. Would be a cool vid to dyno different length or size headers.

[@PATRIK67KALLBACK]

Super cool video! Yes, take it apart.

[@MikeButash]

Awesome video, thank you for this! These engines are cool as hell, but as your video showed, I simply can't imagine them to be robust for anything other than a toy for very short-term use. It was amazing what a different a real ECU made for them, I can only imagine the lost potential wasted on these jank low-end ecu and coils, but that doesn't help much if the engine itself wears out mechanically with very little use when it should actually improve longevity in avoiding misfires or detonation with timing.

[@Badmannered1]

I would love to see a tri-y designed header into collectors for exhaust scavenging which will increase power also try to see how rich the fuel mixture is. Otherwise cool video, love these mini engines.

[@sinformant]

These small engines sound reminds me of mid-late 90's early 2000's car engine sounds on video games like need for speed and test drive 4 etc

[@marklaskey730]

Looks like a jaguar V12

[@11164kloc]

✨✨✨👑💜💯 MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS

[@WarpedYT]

Thanks!!! i'm on it

[@laserbeam1620]

I bet a 12into1 exhaust would sound so good!

[@Rapid_Cat]

Holy shit, you've managed to make these little engines GOOD

[@WarpedYT]

That's what I was hoping for, I'm really happy with the results

[@kawicepticon8866]

I'd play we a dual carb set up and do some porting on the intake and ex ports, good lapping valve job, play w cam degrees, and a proper equal length header and x pipe .

[@EskWIRED]

That's pretty much the exact same horsepower that I get from my 750 watt electrical bike motor. It's enough to get me up to a little over 30 miles per hour. It would be very cool to do something similar with this engine.

[@jams_finest]

Honestly love how you push these engines. Can you do like a miniature engine build for high hp, with built internals

[@tilen3266]

i feel like making those ports a little bigger could help. Or some positive manifold pressure

[@jbmorris2893]

Cool video as always! Rebuild it with much stronger internals. Also, no fan (even electric)?

[@impv1se]

i wonder if the lack of back pressure from the headers coming off made a difference

[@tinojimenez5522]

The throttle response on the ms3 is crazy. Motor runs way better on ms3

[@jeffschneider9516]

Also looks like your exhaust headers melted off in the later dyno runs. This most definetly affected the numbers. Would be interesting to see a dyno run with stainless headers and maybe even some collectors.

[@josephgooch1451]

You should check out the miniature engines that Leonard wood of the wood brothers NASCAR team hand builds himself everything from the carburetor to the block

[@nvcnc]

I would say for one, make your own headers out of metal tubing. The 3d printed ones failed extremely quick. Another one would be to maybe get a bigger carb? Might be hard to find but I'm curious if going with two tiny ones from another smaller engine might be the way to go. Might give you another .5hp!

[@Thestorminator89]

Portable Emergency generator. you could try different generators, to see what's the most power you can get out and see how many things it could power, then try and make it portable, or acts like an automatic generator if you lose power.

[@DigitalJeremy]

Those zoomies melting off was very satisfying

[@Reiner_Markenfreund]

Initially, the engine non cleans the bore^1,2931729/(Liter Fuel), followed by the non cleaning of the bearings^1,7068271/(Kg Fuel). Lastly, the engines do not clean themselves, and the cost_is^-$0.4136542/sec for those running poorly at less than 3 HP.

[@carlebner]

Yoooo this could be a whole series of tuning and dynoing mini engines,, peak horse power or bust

[@MkVIIIMaus]

Wow big difference!

[@johnnodge4327]

It sounds so much better than it performs. A 50cc Honda scooter engine from the 60s makes almost 5 BHP. So this is lacking massively. I suspect that all those cylinders are generating so much drag, that the power stroke mostly wasted generating heat. The tiny ports don't help, literally strangling the thing. Looks good as a shelf queen, but completely useless for anything worthwhile.

[@Chongo_657]

shortly after the 7 min mark, wow you really got a V12 screamer.. Now add a turbo and attach it to a long skate board. That could be awesome.

[@SkunkCity_RC]

sounds awesome💪

[@monad_tcp]

5:29 WTF ? 1000 for that ? its all off the shelf components, and the most common ever MCU

[@johndevries8759]

it might have ruined the main bearings, broke off the headers, many possible causes, but take it apart and see the damage, maybe repair if possible and return for round two. It did sound much better with a good ignition, maybe a set of real headers with a collector would be helpful, Thanks for showing this.

[@WarpedYT]

I'm definitely curious to see what it looks like inside, I might improve the internals the way that I improve the ECU and it may Make some real power.

[@doctajuice]

Maybe upgrade the dyno brake to a hydraulic caliper to get more load on it? Also would be curious to see this same dyno setup with a nitro rc engine. I know those make pretty decent power for their displacement

[@RastaRocker614]

when you drop i'm there, always looking forward to your vids

[@lebojay]

You could buy a whole V12 Jaguar for what this costs. It makes 265bhp. Parts for it are apparently more readily available and cheaper, too. 🤷‍♂️

[@TheZombieSaints]

Oh from the cheap ecu to the good one was like chalk and cheese! Next time maybe use metal 3d printing to make some crazy extractors/headers? Probably overkill. Great video mate 👍

[@TheZombieSaints]

After watching all the headers fall off, contact pcbway and see if they'll help with printing some headers all one piece and make them from steel or something.

[@icandreamstream]

Hell yeah warped, I’ve been waiting for someone to tackle these Chinese engines and put a proper ignition system on them. Next a stepped 12-to-1 header would be spectacular. If the engine survives.

[@cedarvalleyrail8419]

I build and ride eBay 2 stroke motorized bike kits for fun and theyre great once you learn to maintain them, but I've always wanted to adapt one of these engines to a gearbox to mount it on a bike. But do these engines RELIABLY make good enough power? I think you oughtta try it out

[@joshacollins84]

Why is there a hovercraft in the background? I mean, I am not surprised to see something like that around the Warped shop, but it is neat and unique. Yeah, dude' you live such a cool life. I hope life is treating well, good man.

[@WarpedYT]

That one is coming very soon, I have a huge surprise with the hovercraft

[@MotorsportE36]

You should do a stress test on it

[@captcaveman69]

That engine is very nice looking and sounds very nice, but I have one question-well, two questions, really. First, does it need to have a cooling system added, and second, apart from the headers, does it need an exhaust system?

[@herbferguson]

I'm wondering if the lack of exhaust back pressure could affect the performance of the engine. Maybe some sort of equal length header collector would help "scavenge" the exhaust from the engine.

[@aidenradu-fw9lk]

It went from sounding like a weed eater to a Ferrari V12 real fast with the MS3 Pro ECU!

[@Random_Innovation]

You just warped my perception of how important electronic control is.

[@theodomon2774]

If it got lose over time it would make sense for the measurements to be lower and lower right? Since the dyno arm lifted the engine instead of applying full pressure to the scale.