DW-8P | Controller for the Korg DW-8000/6000 and EX-8000

[@jeffreymcferson8042]

This video convinced me to buy this. I have owned a DW-8000 in the past (my first synth, 1998), and an EX-8000 (maybe 2014, after longing for my old DW). I sold both due to the programming issues. I bought another EX-8000 recently in hopes of getting this programmer. I finally got the programmer and it has completely unlocked the potential of this synth for me. Whoa, you can pull the details out of this synth, and the pre-defined effects modes is such a nice touch. I love the sound of the DW/EX-8000, and now I can finally interact with it.

[@EspenKraft]

Cheers! :D

[@neilloughran4437]

I always loved the DW8000 was one of the first synths I ever played in 1986.

[@slipknotboy555]

This (and their other controllers) looks fantastic! The DW is a synth that really doesn't *need* a controller like this, as the UI is pretty intuitive, but would definitely benefit from it. Editing the EGs is one thing I could see being vastly improved, for example. The AJ series would benefit even more from their equally cool looking MPG-50. I definitely want both.

[@EspenKraft]

Absolutely. Very few synths NEED a controller, but a controller can definitely enhance and speed up working with some synths.

[@annother3350]

Difficulty in editing had put me off programming many synths in the past

[@oupahens9219]

@@annother3350 Try harder.

[@annother3350]

@@oupahens9219 When programming a synth kills creativity - no. I wont try harder

[@Shred_The_Weapon]

If I knew this controller existed when the option of purchasing a preowned DW-8000 fir a near steal, I wouldn’t have thought twice. I would’ve just snatched it up!

[@cortical1]

Great stuff, Espen! Really nice music and great explanation of the specs and features. Thanks very much for posting this! I have a Korg EX-8000 and plan to get this.

[@EspenKraft]

Thanks man! It's definitely a great controller.

[@angelsantana3001]

Just received mine this week. Looking forward to creating some new patches with this

[@DonnDeVoreMusic]

that pitch envelop tho... if I had this controller I would not had sold my DW8000 in 1996. regrets. so cool they are making these controllers.

[@_P_M_]

Very nice. I love seeing the functionality of these 30-odd yr old synths extended. The retro styling is sweet as well. Keep up the good work!

[@EspenKraft]

Many old synths can get a new life this way, thanks! :)

[@cortical1]

Save a Prayer! Seems like a great controller for sure. I'd like to get this for my EX-8000 and the other one for the MKS-50.

[@littlebritain64]

A great piece of hardware, thanks for reviewing it!

[@spectre.garden]

Ah, so cool. Great review. This is the only way I would ever have a DW back in my rig.

[@EspenKraft]

Thanks man! :)

[@anoniconoclast2030]

A key pedal for this synth is an MXR Micro Amp. Not for a boost per say, but what it does to the signal. Match the volumes and the sound becomes fuller, more alive and the highs sing like never before. It's a must and an always on pedal.

[@firephox]

Do you use two of them for stereo outs or just one?

[@TheZombo66]

WOW!!! what a nice treat for my ears such sweet sweep of synth pad you have when you played at the beginning I have always loved this synth even when I tested this when i lived up in NYC ,thank you for sharing this video Espen Kraft especially on my bday cheers!!!

[@EspenKraft]

Thanks Jesse! :)

[@jut8361]

I relly like this! The sound its perfect!

[@xnonsuchx]

Rockin' that Commodore 64 in the background at the beginning! ;-) Never had one (I was an Atari guy), but keep looking for decent ones on eBay...along with a good DW-8000 deal. Some of the options with this controller, I think I would prefer the continuous alteration of using the mod wheel to the stepping behavior of the controller (at least I don't recall the mod wheel having any stepping last time I played a DW-8000).

[@EspenKraft]

Yeah, the C64 will be a main focus a little later where I'll make music with the SID as a major sound source. Stepping is of no consequence if you don't plan to use any real time controlling of the filter etc, which I never use myself anyeays. Apart from demos like this.

[@retroaktivsynthesizers5075]

You can use the mod wheel, breath or aftertouch to control the assigns on the DW-8P. There is very little stepping on DW-8000 when adjusting the filter, unless you are at high resonance settings (with slight self-oscillation). When the rez is ringing, you can hear the 64 steps of the filter more clearly, though this is really only audible when the rez is at a setting above 26 or 27 (out of 31)

[@soundisles]

This is wild. I had no idea this existed! My DW-8000 might need this crazy friend.

[@kiko1935]

Hey Espen, great demo. What is the stand you're using for the dw8p and how is attached to the synth?

[@EspenKraft]

Thanks! I think the angle fools you. This is just an Ultimate Apex column stand with two floors. ;-)

[@Latvian3Dman]

I like how you decorate your room with keyboards ☺

[@lorenzosolerfuentes8209]

Best friend for the DW8000!

[@ErikHawk]

Wow, that is cool! Never heard of this device. I want one.

[@RUGBYmusic]

Thank you for the well produced video nice playing!

[@EspenKraft]

Thanks yourself! :)

[@gullyfoyle6354]

What a beauty!! ;) I've been lurking their website and they offer a model for Roland Alpha Juno, too!!! Yeah :D Cheerio.

[@EspenKraft]

Haven't you seen my review of the Juno controller? ;-)

[@gullyfoyle6354]

Espen Kraft dear Espen, I was wondering about it!! 😉😁👍🏾 thank you.

[@tommycato6368]

Would like to see something like this for my Casio FZ-1. Great vids Espen!

[@EspenKraft]

Thanks Tommy! :)

[@maccagrabme]

FZ1 or CZ1?

[@fortheloveofnoise]

I would love to see one for my Casio VZ-1!

[@ГеоргийВальтер-э5я]

Great!! 💥🔥What's a nice forest !🏡🌲🌳🌲🌳

[@MrPoppymusik]

I’ve have this setup up , its awesome 👌

[@Jakkzter1]

Really cool and good looking controller!!!!

[@andrewwebb604]

I love my DW-8000!

[@christoroppolo8742]

Gorgeous ! Peace Christo 🐕🎶☮️🛸

[@EspenKraft]

Sweet :)

[@Howdy606]

So I have just been listening to loads of Prophet 6 demos. After I listened again to DW8000. I'm amazed how round and warm it sounds compared to the Prophet. I am trying to find one but they have shot up in price recently,. Everyone has now realized how good they are (people were too focused on Roland and Yamaha at the time so I think this one got forgotten). Would take it over a DX7 or JX8P any day. Also funny how every one says the filter is so rich (very true) but is in fact the same one the Poly 800 has.

[@EspenKraft]

It's definitely a great sounding synth. ;-)

[@infolla6769]

I think Poly 800 filter has far more character than this but anyway this colourless filter adds a lot to the plastic sounding oscillators. Overall the sound character is nice and usable today. I not only prefer this to DX7 and D50 but also to today's modren digitals like Argon 8 or Hydrasynth, even to the hybrid Novation Peak!

[@sweepersmusic]

There's a used one for $500 at one of my local shops...

[@anoniconoclast2030]

It's true that the DW8000 is easy to program with the edit slider alone, but what It really needs is an update for better parameter resolution. The rough non smooth changes are really evident with this controller.

[@EspenKraft]

Personally I couldn't care less about smooth changes. To make patches that is nonessential anyways. ;-)

[@anoniconoclast2030]

@@EspenKraft With course values, some envelope settings are impossible to achieve. You should know that as a programmer. Also, the edit slider can be part of a patch. It would be so much better if the slider could sweep smoother for better control. I bet someone is working on this now because updates for older synths is becoming popular. But not for you.

[@EspenKraft]

Sure, I get what you mean. It probably boils down to what kind of music you make. I've never been bothered by this at all and I've been making sounds with this synth since the 80s.

[@anoniconoclast2030]

@@EspenKraft It boils down to what kind of sounds you want to make and how you want to use them. If you were never bothered by the low resolution, then you were not at a point where it mattered. But someday you might see the light. If an update comes, I am getting it. The DW8000 absolutely suffers from low resolution and would be greatly improved with an update. It all depends on how much of a fan you are and what kind of sounds you need. Many of us have expressed this concern. Another good thing to have is the Turbo mod. Anyway, love your music.

[@neanalog]

I think Korg did this because memory was at a premium in this synth. (64 patches completely fills up the patch ROM without any bits to spare.) That's the same reason they shared sysex Ids in the DW-6000. (No room in memory for individual param IDs) In order to squeeze 64 patches into the tiny memory chip on-board, they couldn't allow every param to be an 8-bit value. That's why most params on the DWs are less than 6 bit values. So even if the firmware were rewritten, the synth would need to be made to support a larger memory chip, so the patches (in the new 8-bit format) could actually fit into the synth. This is why I suspect nobody has done a firmware rewrite.

[@summerWTFE]

Thanks for letting me know about this. I'm wondering if there is a good way to attach this to the synth directly.

[@EspenKraft]

Superglue?

[@summerWTFE]

@@EspenKraft hmmmmmmm

[@retroaktivsynthesizers5075]

If you mean mounting the controller into the synth, no, that can't be done. It does have rubber feet though, so the unit can sit on a synth or desktop.

[@derekbaker3279]

@@retroaktivsynthesizers5075 Can it be rackmounted?

[@retroaktivsynthesizers5075]

@@derekbaker3279 Yes, it is 3U.

[@seanchristophersynthesizer6999]

Great YT channel- right up my alley! :)

[@EspenKraft]

Great news man, thanks! :)

[@dezwrightmusic]

is there a good resource on how to hook this thing up properly? The manual is pretty vague

[@EspenKraft]

What do you need to hook it up to?

[@dezwrightmusic]

@@EspenKraft Just trying to do DAW to DW8p (via roland midi/usb cable) to DW8000 (via the same kind of cable)

[@EspenKraft]

Yeah, you'll need a MIDI patchbay or merger to get it into a DAW setup if you want everything to go both ways at the same time.

[@dezwrightmusic]

@@EspenKraft Oh okay thank you for the info, ill look into that. What midi cable do you use for connection between 8p and dw?

[@EspenKraft]

Any MIDI cable will do.

[@AndersEngerJensen]

Damn, those Retroactiv controllers are cool and sexy! I hope they guy behind it really wants to make something for the Yamaha TX/DX series like we talked about. I'll be Fry from that Futurama meme "Shut up and take my money" so fast! :D

[@EspenKraft]

Ha-ha... I know he reads the comments here so he might take you up on that! :D

[@matszh]

Now I’m only waiting for a DW8000 Volca from Korg...

[@revenantx1239]

There is Dtronics DT7 controller for DX7 (also they have sontrollers for other synths)

[@AndersEngerJensen]

@@revenantx1239 Sure, but it's like a 1000 knobs in a matrix setup which kinda makes my head spin... it's not very intuitive and easy to get lost/confused. There is something about the visual layout that Retroactiv has, the old Roland control surfaces are made as they are for a reason. :)

[@revenantx1239]

Well this is nuance of DX7( and FM synthesis at all) Dexed (DX7 emu) GUI looks like 1000 knobs too.

[@rogerfelez7478]

I've been wanting to buy a DW-8000 lately, it has some very cool SFX like Progre 1 or Seagulls that are very unique to the machine.

[@JoseAngelMorente]

It also has unique strings, bass and brass sounds.

[@derekbaker3279]

Hi Espen. Thanks for doing a detailed demonstration & review of this controller! It facilitates so many creative possibilities...impressive! BTW, that ramp feature created a sound that immediately reminded me of the famous synth part Kate Bush used in her fantastic song, "Running Up That Hill". What famous synth also had the ramp feature? Was it the PPG or CMI ?

[@EspenKraft]

Thanks Derek! The Yamaha CS-80 was what came to mind, but the Synclavier also had this feature. It may be called something else and controlled differently, but the sound of it is what counts. ;-)

[@annother3350]

Many synths have had a pitch envelope which can be made to do this effect

[@reneotten7376]

Ordering one today!!! And delighted they're also making one for the DSS1!!!

[@EspenKraft]

Congrats!

[@arthurallsopp9344]

Its over $800 >>

[@reneotten7376]

@@arthurallsopp9344 It has to be because of all the knobs... that's what makes it expensive and that is why cheaper synths only have menu diving.

[@arthurallsopp9344]

@@reneotten7376 Bud you can go and buy a BCR2000 for under $200 and get firmware that will let you control almost any synth he has a controller for. He is way overpriced. He figures everybody is paying top dollar for these old synths and doesn't realize a lot of people had them since they came out. Nobody I know is willing to pay more for the controller than the Synth itself.

[@arthurallsopp9344]

Have you looked at CTRLR. You can MIDI control anyone of these panels with any MIDI controller and the software is free. ctrlr.org/panels_by_Name/

[@effervescentelephant917]

One for the DX7 would ve great for everyone.

[@alexandregaillard5859]

(First comment after almost 15 years on youtube hehe) Hi Espen, thank you very much for your videos, there is only gold on this channel! Following your demos/advices, I bought a DW8000 and a Juno 2 (I also have a DX7), today I am wondering for which one I'll get a Retroaktiv controller... If you had to keep only one synth (+its controller) between those two, which one would you choose? Cheers!

[@EspenKraft]

Thanks! I'd go for the DW-8000.

[@144megabytes]

Sweet c64 in the background

[@EspenKraft]

Expect to see more of that in future videos.. ;-)

[@EuroDJ]

AMAZING!!!!!!!

[@Howdy606]

What is the name of the pad at the start of the vid? Is it on your DW8000 sound pack? It sounds gorgeous. (better pad than even my old JX8P)

[@EspenKraft]

Hi, yes it's a patch of mine as all the sounds in that 8000 is from my pack which I have for download. It's one of the pad sounds, can't remember exactly which one, but I think it's the one I call "P51 Soundtrack" in homage TO that 8P Soundtrack patch. Just a bit more open filter in this demo ;-)

[@BboySalamon]

Hi. Mr. Kraft, do you love dance oriented Eurodisco of 1980's, like Michael Bedford - "More Than A Kiss"?

[@EspenKraft]

I can't say I love the genre. Some of it is good. Your example is not one of my favorites though.. ;-)

[@BboySalamon]

@@EspenKraft Oh, I adore this track, so as electro dance music of 80's, 90's: Italo, Discofunk, Eurodance, Electro😊

[@adamkarolwizzard]

Absolutely amazing ... it's like controling own mother in law with wife new gadgets (flowers, diamonds, vacuum cleaner...) yeah i know i'm awfull :D

[@lamborghinimiura7625]

I really enjoy your channel and I want to get the 32 retro synth patches you made for the PG-8X. The site linked under the video isn't selling them anymore, it seems. Is there another way?

[@EspenKraft]

They've updated the link, here's where you can get it, thanks! thepatchbay.co.uk/product/espen-kraft-roland-jx-8p-jx-10-mks-70-pg-8x-32-retro-synthwave-presets/?description=true

[@rickbustamante]

I recently purchased a DW6000 for $135 bucks on Facebook marketplace, thanks for sharing this Espen, want very badly!!! Cheers.

[@EspenKraft]

Congrats! Cheers :)

[@retroaktivsynthesizers5075]

I just bought a "dead" DW-8000 from a music store for $75. Turns out that he battery was just dead. Now I have 2 8000's, which I layer together using the DW-8P. What a sound!

[@EspenKraft]

That sound, from the two combined, will be awesome!

[@vincentsrzentic596]

Haaa Twin Peaks theme

[@Shred_The_Weapon]

Hehehehehehehe, “Freshly Squeezed”.

[@damion2226]

Hi Espen, can you record midi into a DAW with the DW-8000 while using this controller? As someone who's not a good keyboard player, recording midi synth parts is my best option.

[@EspenKraft]

Sure, by using a MIDI merger or patchbay this is very easy. I think I show this in my review of the MPG-50 for the Roland Alpha Juno.

[@damion2226]

@@EspenKraft Thank you. I don't see it in that particular video.

[@thomasgoetze]

Prefered always the DW6000 over the DW8000. I know, the 8000 has digital delay and a lot more. But the filter and the DWGS-Waveforms are much crispier and rough, which results in much more complex sounds. Instead of a DW8000 I use a Roland JX-8P and a Yamaha TX81z …

[@EspenKraft]

Yes, I know many that prefer the 6K, no shame in that ;-)

[@larslevinberget9558]

I never knew such a thing existed...

[@EspenKraft]

It sure does, exist. ;-)

[@fossilcrab]

Nearly quit Korg forever over this synth. I had JUST paid full price for a DW6000 and the 8000 dropped… the two are incomparable. The 6 was cool, but the 8 at the same price point for that moment blew it completely out of the water…..argh!!!! Still nervous of korg to this day!

[@reneotten7376]

Awesome. Does this also control the DSS1 which has lot in common with the DW8000?

[@EspenKraft]

It's not built to control that no.

[@retroaktivsynthesizers5075]

It doesn't control DSS-1. The DSS-1 sysex is quite a bit different. DSS-1 has 96 parameters whereas the DW8K has 50. That said, I am working on a controller for DSS-1, as well as a separate controller for DSM-1 (the two are actually quite different). I'm not sure when those will see the light of day. I'm kind of waiting for the next round of Virosotek mods before I invest too much time into them.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

@@retroaktivsynthesizers5075 Awesome! I think I emailed you before asking about a DSS-1 controller. If you do ever finish it, please let me know.

[@axs203]

Korg should do a Roland and remake the DW8000 in mini form.

[@jamesbarton894]

axs203 If Korg releases the remake of the DW8000, it should give Roland a run for it’s money.

[@saftpackerl]

get two old microkorgs and you have the dwgs waveforms with VA architecture ;) and the same shitty UI. so get 2 MS2000s i guess...

[@maccagrabme]

Demand would be high, even a vst version would be good.

[@richardwalley2862]

My first synth...it was sweet but the Keys could have felt better

[@Miamibeachdoc2008]

So this device will allow you to create a new patch that can be stored / saved to memory on the DW8000? OR do you need the DW-8P to recall the new patches?

[@EspenKraft]

The DW-8P is just a controller. You don't need it to make or edit a patch on the synth. You can do it all from the synth itself. It's designed to ease the process.

[@justindpeak]

Wow, really cool. I'd love to buy one but it's hard to stomach the price when you can pick up a used DW-8000 for less. I am sure, though, that it's worth every bit of that price. It looks well built.

[@EspenKraft]

If you really like a synth, but need/want a controller for it, why does it matter if the controller costs more than the synth? Just asking out of curiosity. :)

[@justindpeak]

@@EspenKraft Actually, I agree with you. After watching more of the video and reading the manual, this thing is a beast and the fact that you can use it as a midi controller for other synths, make the price much more attractive. I think I spoke too soon and didnt really see all that can be done with it. I definitely think I will purchase one.

[@EspenKraft]

You've probably seen my MPG-50 demo, but I show in that video how I control a softsynth in Cubase from the controller. Works flawless and it's just a matter of mapping the controllers faders how you want it in the softsynth.

[@PaulBoos]

I'd love to see something like this for the DW-6000 (mostly because I have one); I have been thinking about trying to get a DW-8000 though.

[@EspenKraft]

Didn't you watch the video or read the video title? This IS for the DW-6000 as well.

[@retroaktivsynthesizers5075]

The 8P can control DW-8000, DW-6000, and EX-8000. IF you buy another DW8K or EX8K, you can actually control your 6K and the 8K from one unit, which is a really great sound! With 2, you can do stuff like use LFO to detune one, while the other is not detuned, which can really bring out the lush character of the DW synths. I have a DW-6K and 2 DW-8000s. I like to stack them all and make giant pads and lush EPs.

[@raffaelesantabarbara1449]

Hi, Is there any other compatible controller for the dw6000 like this dw8p?

[@EspenKraft]

This will also work on the DW-6000.

[@luvcrux4662]

Can you edit in real time the patches on a DW6000, on the website it talks about loading the sysex and then modifying the sounds, just curious if it’s still in real-time while editing.

[@EspenKraft]

Not sure I understand the question.

[@retroaktivsynthesizers5075]

Yes, the DW-8P seamlessly edits the 6000 in real time. Many people do not know that the 6000 uses shared parameter IDs, which means that each parameter ID affects 2 parameters simultaneously. This is why things like the Behringer BCR2000 don't work well with the DW-6000. What you are referring to on the website, is where I say that the controller can "download" the current sound from your DW-6000. This allows the DW-8P to know what the current values of each parameter are. This allows you to affect only one parameter of a shared parameter ID. (I know, confusing) Long story short, the DW-8P controls the DW-6000 the same way it controls the 8000 in this video. Of course, the DW-6000 doesn't have certain parameters that the 8000 does, such as velocity sensitivity, ramp generator (or "auto-bend", as Korg likes to call it), multiple LFO waveforms, and the delay parameters.

[@dougweiss2368]

Any idea if it is possible to control my DW-8000 with my Minilogue? I know the DW does not respond to MIDI CC messages. But maybe somehow map to Sysex? Assuming that’s what the retroaktiv controller does.

[@EspenKraft]

I have no idea how the Minilogue is set up in terms of possibilities over sysex.

[@dougweiss2368]

Espen Kraft ok thanks for the quick reply! I’ll keep researching. Seems like it would be possible.

[@ArcaneMusicSpace]

You can with a BCR2000.

[@JoseAngelMorente]

Although I currently use my BCR2000 to control my DW8000, I'd like to get one of these. Is it available as a DIY kit?

[@retroaktivsynthesizers5075]

Unfortunately it's not available as a kit at this time. I've been moving away from the DIY stuff, because too many people try to build stuff that's out of their skill range (to save money), and I end up spending an enormous amount of time either helping them fix their work, or simply doing it for them when they mail their kit to me. All of my stuff is SMD, which seems to cause trouble for a lot of people. I may offer some partially assembled kits in the future, where users have to solder in the screen, leds, pots, switches, jacks, and interconnects, but the problem there is that the builder would need to flash the chips (the board needs power and ISP headers connected to even flash the bootloader), which would require an ISP programmer and a bit of software knowledge. I love the DIY community, and I love to provide kits, but I've learned that kits really need to be through hole only in order for most people to be able to build them successfully.

[@JoseAngelMorente]

@@retroaktivsynthesizers5075 Yeah, that's true. SMD components should be pre-soldered because some people don't have the skills nor the right tools to do it by themselves. BTW do you ship to EU?

[@retroaktivsynthesizers5075]

@@JoseAngelMorente Yes, I ship worldwide.

[@olo1156]

🎉👍👍👍👍👍🎉

[@samikalastaja]

16:12 - Jump!

[@nicolasmalak7405]

Would this work with a dss-1?

[@EspenKraft]

No.

[@nicolasmalak7405]

@@EspenKraft thank you!

[@merttopel]

A very capable controller for a good sounding but relatively boring synthesizer.

[@infolla6769]

Yes it is static compared to say a JX8P but has far more digital waveform choices.

[@mratari1]

Would this work with the Korg DDS-1?

[@EspenKraft]

No it doesn't work with the DSS-1.

[@mratari1]

Espen Kraft I checked their website and it looks like they’re releasing a DSS-1 model sometime this Summer. Will you be reviewing that as well? Just curious :)

[@EspenKraft]

@@mratari1 If I can get hold of one I will review it yes.

[@12opsynths]

Retroaktiv has nailed it for these programmers, they feel like part of the synth more than any of the others. I wonder if this could be altered to work with the poly 800 as well.

[@EspenKraft]

Ask them.

[@neanalog]

Poly-800 unfortunately doesn't have sysex implementation, which is why there are no controlelrs for it. Too bad really.

[@12opsynths]

@@neanalog there's a guy in CT who will mod your poly 800 for improved sysex compatibility and a custom ctrlr panel for it. So perhaps with some tweaking...

[@SonicHertz]

I want this too! Haha

[@mcentertain]

Impressive controller action but the sounds don´t necessarily benefit from it. That´s often the case with things too complex especially in music, it does not sound natural anymore >>organic

[@jimgourgoutis]

Why oh why did I ever sell my DW8000?!?

[@styleguide01]

Jim Gourgoutis buy a microKorg and here you have your DW8000 back in 4voice polyphony :-)

[@fortheloveofnoise]

We all make mistakes. Get another, they are not too much.

[@HenritheHorse]

@@styleguide01 Not even close and only 4 voices suck...

[@jimgourgoutis]

@@styleguide01 I had a MK for a while, and I do think they sound great, but I HATED the mini keys and the 4-knob + grid programming interface.

[@JoseAngelMorente]

The DW-8000 digital delay can work as a chorus or a flanger as well.

[@retroaktivsynthesizers5075]

It's true. If you press SHIFT+CHORUS button on DW-8P when in 8000 mode (as opposed to DW-6000 mode), you can scroll through an array of preset CHORUS, FLANGE, and DELAY effects. It's a handy feature when you want to quickly audition a few different fx on a DW sound.

[@Ancaja123]

big famous synth meaning CMI? Funny because my friend gave me his DW he was like "I don't like it but there's one patch that sounds like Kate Bush"

[@EspenKraft]

Kate Bush always had great sounds throughout her productions.

[@Ancaja123]

Espen Kraft oh absolutely, that’s a given.

[@Flat8G]

Its functionally really good, but insanely expensive! This will unfortunately not sell. :(

[@EspenKraft]

Are you sure? I think they're selling themselves out of stock all the time and I know several of their customers.

[@retroaktivsynthesizers5075]

I wish I'd received this advice before I had to re-stock. ;)

[@Gazdatronik]

Neat but not required

[@EspenKraft]

I agree, controllers are not required. It can ease the programming though.

[@lauritarkiainen1858]

Espen, honestly, you have too much old sh*t on you premises.. sells away everything you don't need, i did that...i am now much more happier :(

[@EspenKraft]

I always sell the stuff I don't need. What I keep I do need. I'm a very happy person btw. ;-)

[@arthurallsopp9344]

Everything your doing you can do with MIDI OX and then some.

[@arthurallsopp9344]

and MIDI OX is FREEEEEEE

[@arthurallsopp9344]

Unsubscribed.

[@EspenKraft]

No biggie.

[@AndersEngerJensen]

Why? Because the controller is bad... too expensive.. what? :P

[@retroaktivsynthesizers5075]

@@AndersEngerJensen He's mad that it's not free, like MIDI OX. Sadly, myself and the people I work with like to be paid for the job they do, since we do opulent things like eat, pay rent, drive, and support our families.

[@arthurallsopp9344]

@@retroaktivsynthesizers5075 I'm not mad because it's not free. I was blown away by how overpriced it was. But like I said I already solved my problem with a BCR2000($140). By the way I work as well and provide for a family. I'm a Teacher and If buying an $800 controller for a $600 synth isn't opulent, I don't know what would be.

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@@arthurallsopp9344 Great news. My product does a lot more than the BCR2000. That stuff takes a lot of time to program. More than you'd think. A typical time frame for two of us to program the firmware for one of these is around 5 months. If our controllers only sent the basic slider and button sysex and nothing else, that would be cut down to about 2 weeks. Like I said before, our product does tons of stuff that none of the things you've mentioned do. Glad you found something that suits your needs in your price range.