Is prosperity without economic growth possible? | DW Documentary

[@somerandomfella]

We don't need new clothes every week. We don't need a new phone every year. We don't need a new car every 2 years. We DO need fresh air, clean water and safe food. Reducing overconsumption would be a good start.

[@kovy689]

“You vill own nothing and you vill be happy”.

[@ekingsabsab1036]

​Owning less. @@kovy689

[@alexlang2086]

​@@kovy689we will do nothing about it. We are sad and weak

[@kovy689]

@@alexlang2086 “You vill eat ze bugs”.

[@DelaPeñaEmelynT]

It's not a political job to make your life easy, and it's not a political job to make your life difficult

[@agme8045]

It’s easy to be eco friendly when your country is already among the wealthiest in the world. Germany only causes 2% of co2 emissions, directly. What about all the pollution caused by German investment and consumption of Chinese-manufactured goods? That restaurant they showed in the beginning, they serve seasonal vegetables, but what about all the utensils, plates, glasses, tables, light fixtures, etc? Were those sourced from carbon neutral factories?

[@kovy689]

“You vill own nothing and you vill be happy”.

[@ralavakich23498]

Carbon free Western countries outsource their most polluting industries to the third world moment

[@ralavakich23498]

When developed countries outsource their most polluting industries to the rest of the non-Western world, especially China since Deng's reforms

[@kurtphilly]

They don't need to be replaced very often. Although, all of those can be more carbon neutral if made within a close proxmity. if Some consumption is necessary no matter what.

[@aryaman05]

@@kovy689 Not only would you be happy, Putin would too !😊

[@davianoinglesias5030]

Western countries can play holier than thou when it comes to pollution but all rhe goods made in China and India are sold in Western countries

[@ToeKneeOooo]

The ironic part is that our prosperity has lead to what is called luxury beliefs, some of which are good and some of which are self defeating and antihuman.

[@neneklampir6664]

Don't forget that they also polluted alot that made them prosperous. Yet, they don't give compensation to the developing countries that do the same thing.

[@Tempus64]

@@neneklampir6664 What are you talking about. The wealthy countries provide 100 billion a year to help developing countries for them to implement green energy etc.

[@Tempus64]

You're right. We should stop buying stuff from China and India. Oh wait. What would all those people in those countries do to make money and feed themselves. But you're right. They can live in poverty so we can feel good about not polluting as much.

[@neneklampir6664]

@@Tempus64 that promise always broken.

[@wombatcitystudios]

You are enough. Don’t listen to advertising that’s tells you you are anything less without buying their products

We're rotten inside and we need to change. The world forces you to be a consumer. Turn to Christ instead. And your life will change for the better. And you will have peace that the world and yourself cannot give.

[@GIGADEV690]

Christ rotted the world

[@erdelegy]

yes, less cosmetics and fast-fashion.

[@uttpiew]

We don't really need clothes during warm weather, it's pure vanity with no practical function. Even an apron has more meaningful purpose yet we don't wear it everyday. But we are coerced to wear something in the name of modesty.

[@ИванПанкратов-н9л]

An atempt to reinvent URSS or DDR...

[@butchfajardo8832]

Working 7 days a week and no time for the family, that is not a life and you might die early!

[@davideyres955]

Actually when you don’t have a purpose you do die early. The average years after retirement to die is 8 years.

[@MadalinIgnisca]

To learn how to live sustainable it's easy. Go to any Eastern European country and spend a year with any family with adults over 50. You will learn to live with less than you can imagine.

[@Oliver-cv6pv]

Poor Eastern European countries are only Belarus, russia, Ukraine and Moldova.

[@Domi-ym8jk]

@@Oliver-cv6pv poor countries and poor people are sometimes two different things

[@erdelegy]

And then Russia will invade you.

[@kevinbarrios5718]

Alternatively u can come to any Latin American country

[@luffirton]

Probably but that must be a miserable lifestyle that I don’t want to take part in.

[@pashkaS54]

I’d be really happy with more free time and a smaller economy. Humans lived for many thousands of years without a growing economy and without the factory type of schedule. We didn’t even have clocks until a few hundred years ago.

[@tuforu4]

Tv 40 yrs old

[@zacharyb2723]

Research suggests the more leisure time people have, the less they consume. convenience costs, people under time pressure are not carbon efficient.

[@ricardodiaz3936]

Thousands of years yeah that’s true running from dinosaurs am😂

[@liang8255]

I guess you have never lived in poverty. Now you have the chance.

[@inotaarto8719]

I recomend prducing a week worth of food and a piece of clothing from scratch. You will realize that people did not use to have too much idle time. Its sustainable, but hard work. And you will fail a bunch, but you will learn to apprechiate the hard work people do to sustain the citys.

[@gordonnorris4202]

The problem is corporate greed...aka rich people greed.

[@zsomborerdesz3364]

it's just greed. small investors want their interests, too.

[@DavidLockett-x4b]

Aka, everyone's greed.

[@toni2918]

So many people afraid to say it. The reason most companies want more growth is to satisfy shareholders and top executives' greed; that wealth never goes to the workers but to another luxury yacht or mansion. If companies kept production and profit the same year over year, their shareholders would not be happy about that, but it'd be good for the environment and for the workers who get to work less or at least the same amount as before. Sure, we all have improved standards of living compared to decades ago, but if we kept this standard we would be just fine.

[@gordonnorris4202]

@@DavidLockett-x4b true...we are all greedy, very few are happy with what they have. Today society is based on greed to increase consumerism...until everything blows up.

[@pistolen87]

greed is a human trait, everyone is capable of good and evil.

[@ZeuSVI]

Funny how the german family is looking for local stuff at the store. They found "local" chocolate cookies. Might be made by a local factory but where do they think the chocolate comes from? As far as I know. Coco beans don't grow in Europe.

[@kristoffervl2739]

Artificial chocolate 😉

[@TheIgdrasil1]

Exactly, because even local production of cucumbers would use fertilizers from Marocco or locally baked bread used wheat from Ukraine.

[@MichaelPuzio]

🙄

[@carolineleiden]

We need a good place to live in, enough good food, good pensionplans, good healthcare. We consider that the baseline. But it is an unthinkable luxury for 80 % of the planet.

[@FrudgeRS]

The irony of this dilemma is that it is framed as something all individuals should be striving for, and yet, global emissions are disproportionately correlated to income brackets. Just the top 10% of the global income ladder alone emit 50-60% of all CO2 emissions. Not a single argument has focused on the central task of climate being a class struggle rather than a consumption-based problem which middle-class consumers are responsible for. So long as growth continues and capital pours into increasingly consolidated corporations, capital accumulation and inequality will continue, resulting in disproportionate emissions by the wealthy. Wealth and luxury-goods taxes, antitrust, worker democracy, and making rentier capitalism obsolete (by taxing most forms of unearned income) are necessary. We are already seeing our future of so-called climate-friendly corporations dominate (big tech), and their new technologies are requiring data centers to consume an unparalleled amount of electricity which will power more automation and obsolescence of human labour. Is green growth really the answer?

[@indjones8642]

I love her comment on the housing. Housing prices are already very expensive. Hence, if the housing stock is further reduced, then it will lead to ever increasing housing prices, so nobody except for a few like her can afford it. That does not sound like prosperity at all.

[@AmazingMaxStuff]

Yeah right! I was not sure I heard that well the first time

[@squeaker19694]

We go back to multigenerational housing like it was just a few generations ago. Grandparents in the house's only bedroom, parents slept in living room and kids on the verandah. My adult children and partners are living in my home, but I have 4 bedrooms and 2 living spaces and a much bigger house than people used to have. So we are still way better off than my great grandparents.

[@WeaponOut]

It's more about land affordability. Construction materials and labour will never be too much cheaper than they currently are.

[@tride.design]

It is, it's called redistribution. We should all grow, not just wealthy and their corporations.

[@anthonyesposito7]

Yea, Redistribution of the means of production, workers should collectively and democratically control the means of production and get paid accordingly, it's call socialism.

[@janofe2232]

It frustrates me that the Internet, LLMs and cloud computing are always ignored as major polluting sectors. This is a sector where growth is becoming entirely unsustainable, yet the eco activists don't seem to have it on their radar...

[@pix23]

I was at least impressed that they made the family stop streaming online media

[@markotrieste]

I find it somehow sarcastic that they've asked an east German family to live for two weeks like east Germans thirty years ago... Anyway, just wanted to point out that local food being less polluting is mostly a myth. The type of food and how is it grown makes for the biggest share of it's emissions. Tomatoes grown locally at 60° latitude in a heated greenhouse are way more carbon intensive than if grown freely in a southern country and then delivered north. Just think that one single truck of tomatoes (40,000 kg of cargo) could cover the needs of ten thousand people for weeks.

[@miguel5785]

Agreed. The way you produce the food is usually more important than its transport, especially if transported by sea.

[@bcase5328]

Local for Germany should mean within counties that are within 200 Km of Germany as well as in Germany. Europe is small compared to the US.

[@DrOktobermensch]

Tomatoes are not really native to Europe in the first place, for actually sustainable food it ought to be something that can grow in your climate without additional inputs like a greenhouse.

[@Delgwah]

Until the roads wash away.

[@jrodayeoh]

From Italy here. Here we can afford to buy locally grown food and it's really local. Just the lemons and tomatoes, grapes, etc. Fish from the Mediterranean sea, meat from the mountain or valley farms... all grown here. But they still have to travel hundreds of km to reach us. The only way you can consume 0km food is if you grow it yourself and that's impossible for most of us in this modern society. Especially if you live on the 6th floor of an apartment building!

[@Ralph-ex3no]

The way we arragned our money system demands continous growth.

[@SigFigNewton]

Growth growth growth is mostly just needed by people who want to make money by owning stuff rather than making money by contributing to society.

[@daktacat]

People satiate their empty lives with snacks and toys.

[@cklaighe]

Praying this content reaches more. Instead of villainizing Lying Flat, Quiet Quitting for wealthbeing. Change the mindset improve society with these ideas.

[@vj.joseph]

Education, Health, Innovation, Sustainable development, Solar Energy, Green energy, entrepreneurship, demand analysis, industrial production, public interactions are the core of any nation's growth. People should be able to interact with the nation. The nation must acknowledge the needs of its permanent residents and it should be able to help them move forward in their lives, economically, socially, politically, and education wise, health and mental health wise. Failures should be acknowledged and corrective rectifications should be acted upon.

[@Nickster292]

The spoon isn't local! Kid's a genius.

[@daktacat]

If every product lasted twice as long then the prosperity would be about the same and the size of the economy would be halved and people could work less, which would further increase prosperity. My stupid Miele washing machine, even on short cycle, goes on and on until my clothes are damaged. Is that necessary? I don't roll in mud all day. Why does Miele not have a super short "no detergent" cycle? Why?

[@jamesbyrne9312]

That baker is mad, just have one of your staff do a day on rotation, crazy

[@samsonabanni9562]

It's for content like this that I love DW, you are simply amazing in feeding the world with great content

[@DWDocumentary]

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@123pangolin]

Amazon fulfilment centre? Nein danke. Amazon rainforest? Ja bitte.

[@yepyepyepyep4602]

it can coexist..

[@erdelegy]

Still up in the air about what the correct direction is, this video explores the options, and identifies some of their weaknesses and strengths, so that's useful. There's no one solution that will work for all. We each have to do what we can make work for us, and together all of our changes will have a big effect on slowing climate change.

[@whaleAndPetunia]

"If the cake grows, it's easier to share it" - and that's why all those "successful" economies have completely eliminated poverty 😉 Awesome intro into the green growth vs degrowth / postgrowth / wellbeing economy argument. Thanks DW 🙌

[@DWDocumentary]

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@rokas_stulga]

people should eliminate their own poverty. if a person isnt mentally ill, or physically disabled, its his OWN job to stop living in poverty. I am now talking about western economies, not about the rest I bet you are advocating for more refugees in Europe while also crying about poverty. how does that makes sense? big part of homeless people in Western Europe are now newly arrived illegal migrants. is it our nations supposed to keep letting random people pour in constantly AND then also feed them all? we should not outpace our cake with numbers of mouths that needs free piece of it. that is one good rule amongst many :)

[@rokas_stulga]

people should eliminate their own poverty. if a person isnt mentally ill, or physically disabled, its his OWN job to stop living in poverty. I am now talking about western economies, not about the rest I bet you are advocating for more refugees in Europe while also crying about poverty. how does that makes sense? big part of homeless people in Western Europe are now newly arrived illegal migrants. is it our nations supposed to keep letting random people pour in constantly AND then also feed them all? we should not outpace our cake with numbers of mouths that needs free piece of it. that is one good rule amongst many :)

[@rokas_stulga]

people should eliminate their own poverty. if a person isnt mentally ill, or physically disabled, its his OWN job to stop living in poverty. I am now talking about western economies, not about the rest I bet you are advocating for more refugees in Europe while also crying about poverty. how does that makes sense? big part of homeless people in Western Europe are now newly arrived ille-gal migrants. is it our nations supposed to keep letting random people pour in constantly AND then also feed them all? we should not outpace our cake with numbers of mouths that needs free piece of it. that is one good rule amongst many :)

[@XrAiDeN]

Local produce doesnt mean only from your own country. If you live in Aachen, produce from just across the border in The Netherlands or Belgium would be more local than produce from Bavaria.

[@norcofreerider604]

So true! Dresden is closer to Vienna (440km) than it is to Frankfurt (463 km), this is by the shortest road route I could find on Google Maps. Not to mention it is closer to Prague than it is Berlin. Local is within 200km (or less), not from within your country.

[@robwashers]

A good question. I would also like to think about how we seem to believe we can build our way into the future, while maintaining a balance with nature. It is easier to think how our world will end rather than the possibility of any new economic system. How Art has shifted it's focus from inspiration to for a purely for profit medium/Industry.

[@balsarmy]

Lets define economic growth. Usually it means more exploitation of resourses. If population is not growing politicians are willing to press towards more growth, even though there is no enthusiasm. The answer is somewhere in enthusiasm.

[@bipl8989]

Shareholders are not satified by sostainable (stagnant) profit. They want more every year. Exponential anything is guaranteed to hit a wall very quickly. Slower growth may eventually hit the wall, but it takes longer.

[@vivalaleta]

Our population needs to stabilize. Doing so shouldn't frighten us.

[@KosmicKitchen]

Excellent documentary, showing all the different takes on the „green growth”. My respect to the two chaps running the restaurant. I believe they’re onto something.

[@TheStockwell]

0:48 "Prosperity Without Growth: is It Possible?" I'll make a wild guess: DW Documentary attached the wrong thumbnail and description to this upload. Either that, or they've discovered the miracle of clickbait! 🐝

[@DWDocumentary]

Thank you for pointing this out! The clickbait was not on purpose. We fixed the mistake :)

[@TheStockwell]

​That was a small but amusing error. I look forward to seeing a DW Documentary about insects doing it "bumblebee style." 😉 Best wishes from Vermont 🍁🧡🍁 ​@@DWDocumentary

[@andykostynowicz]

It really depends on what you identify as being prosperous. After you have all the basics it becomes more about the extras- new phone, bigger house, better car, branded clothes. Yes life will go on unchanged without them, but social hierarchy would disappear, and we could have everyone at the top could we?

[@HappyFlamingo8535]

I am watching this and thinking…imagine a world where you had a 2 room house, a shared bathroom with many other houses, your cook stove was heated with ecofriendly wood and you have to pump your water by hand, heat it on a stove and wash with a cloth and water. No showers or bath, no flushing toilets. This was the reality of the 1800s. Everything was recycled, even dog poop. I personally like my electricity, running water and flushing toilet! My grandmother lived through ww1 and ww2 in Germany. They were starving. It is very easy for someone who has not live through those kinds of things to say we will be 100% green and we dont need and electric cook stove or a bike manufactured with power and energy. We dont need stuff. While i agree that the world has an over consumption problem and we need to make a personal choice to be “green”, i am also happy it is a choice!

[@TheVafa95]

We have forgotten our purpose in life. We are essentially spiritual beings who have been given a body for a few years. Our economy should reflect this truth and align with our spiritual essence.

[@tiro2041]

You should make a documentary on how Sweden is now paying for Germanys lack of energy production! Swedish electric bills are climbing due to all the energy we’re pushing to northern Germany! Loads of nice ideas in Germany, but you should pay for them yourself!

[@MsSjaakvaak]

Why is that?

[@gregorymalchuk272]

Norway too! They want to sever the electricity interconnect and let the Germans stew in the consequences of their actions!

[@tiro2041]

@@MsSjaakvaak Because we have a united europan energy grid, new flow rate calculations that adapts prices between all countries. So if one country ignores their system the rest of us needs to pay...

[@p1t3r1]

Same for Norway

[@tiro2041]

@@p1t3r1 Well Sweden is shipping a lot of the power generated in the north of Norway through Sweden to the south of Norway due to lacking Norwegian power infrastructure. This adds even more to the Swedish electrical bills in the south and middle parts of Sweden. If every country actually cared for their own power-grids first of all then used each other as buffers, the way it was intended then we wouldn't be in this mess...

[@seungdaelee8299]

I been thinking about this issue. Minimizing and downsizing our way of life is important.

[@snowflakemelter7171]

Except for billionaires.

[@aryaman05]

@@snowflakemelter7171 I'm guessing you're confusing quality consumption with bulk gorging, which is very, very different. Take a walk down the neighborhood when not busy chewing food and observe, do we need more fine dining or feedlot type stuffing ?

[@snowflakemelter7171]

@@aryaman05 Is flying on private jets quality consumption?

[@aryaman05]

@@snowflakemelter7171 How is it anymore different than the privilege of driving around in private vehicles ? Let's talk numbers, what percentage CO2 footprint of private jets compared to everyone else flying around ?

[@snowflakemelter7171]

@@aryaman05 The most common model of private jet burns approximately 860 litres of air fuel per hour. Those planes fly more regularly with less people in them. Especially when they jam up the hangars at climate conferences. They could fly first class on a commercial airline & leave a smaller carbon footprint. But of course the rationing won't apply to the people who want to ration everyone else.....

[@butchfajardo8832]

I salute the people who united and rally against the greed of the world! But I'm afraid it's already too late.

[@Tmb1112]

Yes. It’s possible. Japan is a very prosperous nation. It’s also been stagnant for decades. Just don’t have any more people and your wealth is split across the same population

[@offred6013]

Japan is suffering from manpower shortages . Their elderly r suffering.

[@pedros.cabrales9844]

​@@offred6013. Yeah because the Japanese has not open to working immigrants as the US, ANZ, etc.

[@Man.from.the.90sgeneration]

Agree

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

Problem with that argument is that if you reduce your population, especially your skilled workforce you have less economic activity and growth and you lose prosperity.

[@zettaiengineer4202]

Japan got rich before stagnation and depopulation. Their advantages are social cohesion and savings built during boom years. Many businesses are self funded(no need to raise capital through debt or the sale of equity) thus don't require growth to exist. Japan might be a model of slow/no growth prosperity as long as the population accepts their current standard of living.

[@juanalvarado6943]

Yes, it is possible prosperity without growth, but with a price: without freedom. A techno state must decide for us which products to consume and products.

[@Madamegato]

Not about bugs, but definitely good as always! Thanks DW!!

[@DWDocumentary]

Thank you for pointing this out! We fixed the mistake :) Glad you liked it anyways!

[@prashantgupta3463]

What would be the role of the countries like china , India etc who have been deprived of the clean water and air by the ruling countries through Fiat currencies.

[@TalynWuff]

You can't grow infinitely. Simple as that. Be more efficient and balanced with what society has and distributes.

[@Never-ending_]

We live in an infinite universe, you know?

[@playfoolbrush838]

you've very narrow minded mindset. stop skipping school and learn more about observable universe and beyond.

[@MrSvenovitch]

Could you come over and 'snap your fingers' at my 'simple problems' please?

[@cristianion2056]

Have already colonised our galaxy? No. So we can grow faaar more

[@patrickskramstad1485]

Why are costs still so high with so much more automation?

[@AJ.L2468]

I asked myself that same question.

[@Delgwah]

Years ago there was a show called that’s incredible. It showed a family that built a ride a bike to power the TV.

[@aswath134]

the couple don’t want imported stuff, but if you’re in düsseldorf doesn’t it make sense to buy the french vegetables from let’s say calais, than buying vegetables from munich? they should treat atleast french, belgian, dutch, polish, danish and austrian products as the same at least. this is a constraint that simply doesn’t do much

[@vivalaleta]

Love the chefs ahead of the crowd.

[@paulaspinall919]

Thank you for generating such an important conversation. It is always useful to understand people’s point of view and the challenges that are experienced. However, in the end, it is action that is essential.

[@RaduDumitrescuCN]

"Is being rich without being rich possible?" I would venture to say no.

[@darrenwebb5334]

Define rich.

[@Never-ending_]

​@darrenwebb5334 Rich is having a spouse and 3-5 kids, a house in a rural area, or in a forest with 300+ sqm of living space, 20+ hectares(50 acres) of land, 2 cars (1 7-seater ICE, 1 EV) and enough money not to think about the cost of something basic ever. I would say rich starts at 10 Million dollars.

[@Never-ending_]

Having a spouse, 3-5 kids, a house in the rural area with 300+ sqm of living space, 20 hectares of land, and enough money to do everything you want without thinking twice. I would say it starts from 10 Million $.

[@raahensalophotography]

It's not possible to be rich without being rich, but it's possible to be rich without being wealthy.

[@DenisBourveau]

silence Romanian, this is advanced proper European mindset that you are 20 years behind to grasp

[@luffirton]

Effect change where the impact will be greatest. I will remember that, really good sentence for what we all should focus our efforts towards for a more sustainable future.

[@RainFS1]

Very advanced and enlightened peoples such as Germans and Nordics are taking environmental issues very seriously and leading the way in decarbonization. It costs a lot of money, but the products of these countries are bought in large quantities by the US and China, bringing great wealth to the developed countries of the EU, so it's not a problem. So, do Americans live in small houses and drive small cars? Do Chinese people produce the vast amount of energy needed to make electric cars without burning low-quality coal? The people did what they thought was right, but can they bear the fact that it means they lose their jobs or can no longer provide a home and food for their families? Germany seems to be suffering from this dilemma right now. What about us in Japan? We are not as enlightened as the Europeans.

[@almostfamous791]

How much is enough???? When can we just enjoy life?

[@MadalinIgnisca]

Traveling by car (a normal car, not a luxury car) for a family of 4-5, driving on motorways with ~100 km/h, resulting in a low fuel consumption, actually meaning lower pollution, on a trip from one side of Europe to the other, the family will pollute less than their share in an airplane, and just a bit more than train. People using only when it is really needed the car for family needs, are almost the smallest part in pollution.

[@markotrieste]

Yes, above 3 passengers, a good car, driven properly, can be a good choice.

[@zacharyb2723]

right - carpooling is way more efficient, not a surprise.

[@patrickchun1558]

Excellent documentary! On top of a measurement based on GDP, it might be helpful to think about social fabric and people's relationship with each other as criteria of quality of life. I am happy to share that an international group called IITTI World Civility Index is setting out measuring people's inner development where citizens can earn "points" so eventually companies and governments can measure progress in this area. Without measurement, there is no management.

[@miguel5785]

There is the Human Development Index (HDI).

[@Sythemn]

The answer is and always will be, do more with less. Bikes and trains instead of cars and planes. Heat pumps instead of gas boilers. Stop buying new stuff that's 5% better than last years stuff. Stop reinventing the wheel over and over again and build on what we did yesterday. (Software......) And for the love of all that is good, stop letting the 1% of us that are largely causing these problems to keep having extravagant lifestyles... No one needs a personal jet that outputs more CO2 in a day than a family sedan does in a year.... Or a 80' private yacht. No one needs a 1500 m2 home much less to keep heated and cooled even when there's no one there. Hold the wealthy accountable for their sociopathic behavior. Or maybe, just stop letting individuals get that wealthy to begin with.

[@tberkoff]

This is the wrong video.

[@seeexy]

omg i thought the Samee

[@DWDocumentary]

Thank you for pointing this out! We fixed the mistake :)

[@ItsoFototo]

@@DWDocumentary no, it still show another video when I try to share it

[@MrSvenovitch]

ask the families losing their jobs at Volkswagen ;-)

[@denischiosa4496]

Volkswagen is not competitive, and this is probably because of high salaries they pay their employees

[@michaziobro5301]

It is so cold in Poland 🥶 today. I understand need to remove pollution in cities from diesel cars or burning coal for house heating, but temperature going several degrees up is good at least in Germany and Poland

[@allesarfint]

Climate change also means hotter summer and harsher winters.

[@sigychris7418]

Like seriously! thumbnail killed me first😅

[@sforza209]

Are those fruit flies?! I’m literally being attacked by flies that look just like this! They are spawning out of my god damn house plants! I put one under a microscope and it looked identical to the thumbnail. Next thing I see, them on a yt thumbnail!! Grrrrrrrrr

[@streetsarecold]

correct title:germany hates nukes

[@TheStockwell]

​@@streetsarecoldEVERYBODY hates nukes. 😏

[@TheStockwell]

Too bad they fixed it. Seeing bugs doing it "bumblebee style" made me happy. ❤️🐝

[@AbDullAHMoHAAmeD]

I actually like the idea of sustainability because of all the innovation it brought in I see it as an opportunity for economic growth

[@sameersingh3705]

It is easy to say this when you are a developed nation and have experienced the benefits of being a rich nation. What about developing nations which are not really industrialized and are on mission to uplift miliions of people out of poverty...restructing avenues and opportunities for growth will only limit their potential to get out of poverty. Each changes come organically and not being forced on someone.. Transitions to alternative form of economy has its own time.. Many growing economies do not have the money to transition to efficient source of production because of cost and many of their industries rely on conventional energy source.. Cost to overhaul out weighs the benefits against the status quo.

[@venkatachalammurugesan5943]

It's good to hear that usefull growth and less usefull growth.. If we consciously classify this while consuming, then we may not buy useless things simply because it is available for less cost etc., it may feel that we are going back.. But we should understand that useless things are not bringing up front.. It is a marketing trick to make ourselves it is essential to buy.. So our conciousness while consuming new things is the answer.. Thanks

[@daviddobarganes9115]

"If the cake grows, it's easier to share it" (The 1% are taking 90% of the cake no matter how big it gets)

[@jamesbarry1673]

In a world with a decline in global population, less is more

[@alisonqiu4741]

I think it's quite interesting to know there are many different views on green growth. It makes me rethink that green growth is not one voice, we need to balance the different sides. One is mitigating the economic growth rate, one is a win-win situation where green growth follows economic growth.

[@relafeng2413]

Nothing can grow forever, including population and economy

[@StuartPeters-w3p]

Just imagine how much better life would be without money.

[@giokensiga673]

Standard of life and satisfaction of life is better scale of measure

[@gr8bkset-524]

Industrialized countries need to look at where they waste energy on. For example, when we drive, we burn fossil fuels to move 1-2 tons of metal and very little to move human flesh. In the US, emissions from automobile alone (5 tons) exceeds the sustainable limit of 4 tons of co2. When we heat our homes, most of the energy dissipate through external walls and little to warm human flesh.

[@shyft09]

There are lots of countries who have decoupled GDP growth from emissions since 1990 🤷 Let's just do that much more urgently please

[@caskaptein9889]

There is no country that has truly decoupled, the emissions are just shipped away to China and India

[@gregorymalchuk272]

Nope. They exported the carbon emissions to the biggest coal fires on earth in Asia.

[@mathusalen1]

There is absolute decoupling in some countries for sure! But the rate of decoupling is nowhere near the magnitude needed for staying within 1.5 or even 2 degrees of warming

[@mathusalen1]

And like others mentioned, some of it is due to polluting industries being moved to the global south and China. There's also the issue that there is no decoupling, not even relative, of material use and economic growth

[@JohnPuglianoWEALTHSTEADING]

BYD is prosperous BECAUSE of VW’s lack of growth.

[@jeske100]

Prosperity without growth is impossible. There, I saved you 42 minutes.

[@Phil.Hawkins]

I wanna see more people do this, brilliant work guys 🙏😎🥰

[@pedro01f]

I assume that green growth means tree growth

[@giokensiga673]

Quality of life Index is better than Economic property Index

[@carllelendt5452]

My problem with establishment "economics" is the suffocating narrative control!

[@rene3172]

As a citizen of Slovakia, I was used to communism coming from the east. Now it's 2024 and I'm surprised that communism is coming from the west - GREEN COMMUNISM.

[@allesarfint]

This is not communism, this is about reducing consumerism. Most of the things we produce and consume are not good quality nor good for us. There is a lot of wasted productivity making too much stuff that we don't need, productivity that sacrifices the lives of people, no one should have to live like the bakery owner.

[@jacqueslee2592]

Red communism was rapid industrialization and overproduction of material goods similar to capitalism except that all these goods were not sold for profit.

[@DilanR596]

Because we don't know ourselves, we are destroying other human beings, we are destroying the planet. J Krishnamurti

[@sumitraturwankar9804]

Simplicity,contentment,satisfaction n happiness with sincere n honest attitude , should they become part of wholesome,healthy growth, evolution

[@borealphoto]

Constant growth and profit seeking are properties of nature. Energy profit is how species grow. When energy gets scarce, species decline. We cannot choose to degrow but we will have to.

[@inayatullahhingoro3228]

Love DW ❤

[@dvsxavier]

Current German economic and productivity decline is self-inflicted wound by the Eurocrats in Brussels who have imposed harsh penalties on oil & gas while promoting and investing in failed green energy projects.

[@donjezza]

No new construction? What is this insanity?

[@joshuagolembiewski5383]

Excellent choice of music at the start.

[@Truthseeker371]

Very few humans understand spiritual freedom is far more important and life changing than money attached consumerism. Most people die without fulfilling life. Let it be.

[@aldrinspeck2724]

"if you believe in infinite growth on a finite planet, you are either a MADMAN or an ECONOMIST" (David Attenbourough, environmentalist)

[@ThisIsATireFire]

I would really like to hear more about what Iceland is doing and how they're doing it.

[@reluginbuhl]

She says this, he claims that... This is typical of modern journalism. Good journalism requires more in depth reporting. It requires researching the issue and presenting an analysis of the claims and not just the superficial regurgitation of what people say.

[@baklava6138]

If you think about it, constant growth and never ending expansion and profits is really not sustainable. Instead of having GDP goals we should focus on quality of life outcomes.

[@Infotainment-z7f]

My goodness, I was a helpless millennial once and did something about it, but I really hope that family with the pumpkin soup was kidding when they thought they could only eat pumpkin soup, because of the season, and no tomato.....Have they never heard of canning, fermenting, salting, dehydrating your summer produce???.... They could have bought locally canned tomatoes, i'm sure they exist, or can it themselves. Have they also never heard of cabbage, sprouts, sauerkraut, pickles, all types of winter beets, winter carrots, I'm sure there's more, that is available during winter... That child has more sense it seems.

[@XxXenosxX]

Realistic growth and distribution of resources is important

[@DaveReynolds-y3v]

This is certainly an intriguing question as a subject for a documentary. Here in America it is unfortunate that even raising this question prompts a negative reaction. I think a big part of the problem is that the current politics are based on a climate of conflict. It's assumed that the only legitimate position is based on self interest. And the result puts each individual in a zero sum position.

[@ARPost-kn2jl]

very interesting theme. ive been wondering for a while why (the financials) always pushes for growth?

[@OneLine122]

Because of investments. No growth means people won't invest in new things. Would you invest in a business that is shrinking? It also has to do with inflation. Small inflation is considered good, while deflation is usually terrible again because people stop investing since their money gets value by doing nothing. So essentially, people don't like depressions in part because lots of them starve.

[@ARPost-kn2jl]

@OneLine122 what about ballancing things out? The thing about capitalism/growth is that there always are some that are paying (losing) for it.

[@HandSolitude]

Growth is not inherently linked to wealth and prosperity. GDP per capita is important. But not simply GDP.

[@norcofreerider604]

Electricity production accounts for ~30% of Germany's greenhouse gas emissions. Germany's electricity production creates 366gCO2/kWh. France's mostly nuclear electricity production generates 56gCO2/kWh. If Germany went nuclear like France, it would decrease its greenhouse gas footprint by 25%. While the future may be in renewables, Nuclear energy is cheaper, more reliable and lower CO2 footprint at the moment. Complaining about the dangers of climate change without aggressively lobbying for the expansion of nuclear power generation is irresponsible. While we should continue funding renewables research, we also need to fund research into alternative nuclear fuels like Thorium, and nuclear fusion, while massively expanding Uranium fission production using the French model.

[@Amnjot1]

Researchers should have a look on India I suggest. Most of Indians live in joint families in confined spaces eating locally produced food and cutting consumption where ever possible. More than 90% Indians go on holidays once in 3 years and mostly using public transport. Even eating out is very rare.

[@calorus]

Food miles are nonsense - not least of all because from Berlin, some things grown in Poland are more local than something grown in Freiburg.

[@jentulj9611]

@9:50, this guy is spot on.

[@irynaskvortsova6996]

This is a good cuestion. I say, if the country have an acceptable level of prosperity, no need to grow a lot. It is sufficient to mainain it at the similar level. And have another bebefits like more time to live not in an office or industry.

[@ocean_monster1]

Shouldn't we rather ask is endless growth possible in a world that has finite resources...or a mad idea

[@GonçaloDumas-h6u]

Very interesting, thanks for a great analysis!