How the Bagel was invented in Poland

[@talktomenowxbmc]

There is another food popular on NY that has Polish origin. It is called bialy. It looks like a flatter bun with onions in the middle. In eastern part of Poland, Lublin & Zamosc, you can buy larger round bread with onions in the middle. It is called cebularz (cebula = onion). Why is it called bialy is unknown. In Polish bialy means white.

[@kamilfilipowicz]

Bialy... because full name is Bialystoker - as it was supposedly brought from Bialystok Jewish cuisine.

[@alparslanesmer4251]

When I was a kid back in the 1980s I thought pizza were American food. This was also the same for Budweiser after I reached the legal drinking age. I managed to get the taste of real Budweiser in Prague five years ago. If Turks had given as many immigrants to the New World, I believe the traditional simit and doner would be known as American food too.

[@michal8976]

But American pizza is american food this same with bagel this food evolve from italian pizza and polish obwarzanek but they have own unicque american style which made them american food

[@bullet1544]

In Poland, turkish Kebab's are favourite fast food.

[@ThereThere-g2v]

@@bullet1544as a Polish American I don't like this

[@bullet1544]

@@ThereThere-g2v I'm just saying how it is. I'm living outside of Poland last 20 years.

[@ThereThere-g2v]

@@bullet1544 I understand no worries I live in Brooklyn. Every culture as far as the eyes can see. I've never been to Poland but I'd like the think the authenticity of polish culture is still very much alive

[@keripalajanata]

"Reasonably bagely" is my phrase of the week, I'm going to annoy everyone i know with this.

[@DWFood]

😅

[@ongvalcot6873]

Bigly!

[@butspan7618]

and the Italian's don't even consider American pizza a pizza.

[@ongvalcot6873]

@@butspan7618 Lots of Americans accepted and adopted pizza before many Italians, particularly in Northern Italy.

[@tonygunk4850]

Right, because Italians didn't have totamatos. Same here, Americans always put a spin on the thing.... That why that New Yorker couldn't just admit the begal was good.

[@Pawel__M]

Hello from Poland. Obwarzanek (meaning "something that you first blanch/preboil) may be the ancestor of the New York bagel, yet it tastes more like the German pretzel - but it's softer and a bit sweeter. And it must be made only in the Cracow region and only following the traditional method - as it has got special status thanks to the European Union’s “Protected Geographical Indication”-a form of trademark intended to “protect product names from misuse and imitation” insuring that locally specific foods (like Parma ham and Dutch Gouda cheese) don’t have to compete with fakers.

[@jeemoon1626]

Wow. That lady Klaudia really knows what she is doing!

[@patricedecourcy4505]

Why? Those are not proper bagels. Actually, besides shape, they have nothing to do with bagels. Bagel dough should ferment overnight (as they do in NY) and then bagels should be BOILED and baked.

[@jeemoon1626]

@@patricedecourcy4505 it was a joke, because they brought in this expert and she didn’t display much as far as technique or specifics.

[@patricedecourcy4505]

@@jeemoon1626 Sorry, lost in translation, now I get it! :) The whole process is ridiculous.

[@elismyrefugeelismysalvatio9140]

@@patricedecourcy4505 Yeah the scuffed american process and mentality is clown.

[@shunaras]

I have visited Krakow and it is the most beautiful place, you can get a lot of bread based snacks, I used to eat something called a Zapikanka, which is like a pizza baguette

[@ivanocallari9955]

Montreal has great bagels too.

[@Jan96106]

This is nice to know.

[@DWFood]

Thank you for watching!

[@ongvalcot6873]

Montreal bagels are more like Krakow bagels.

[@mareksicinski3726]

tbf this is this local restaruant's bespoke idea, the more important part is the origin of the bagel as a concept ther,e which isn't talked about as precisely

[@ongvalcot6873]

@@mareksicinski3726 The origins are in Central Europe. There is possible link to German pretzels. Keep in mind that Krakow was very German several 100's years ago. When you see picts from pre-WWII Poland bagels there looked more like Montreal bagels, i.e. large hole while NY bagels evolved toward the tight holes. Bagels used to be carried on a thick stick or strings by bagel sellers.

[@bartomiejnozka8992]

@@ongvalcot6873 As I've state in other comment if by German you mean Austrian then yes Kraków was occupied by them.

[@ongvalcot6873]

@@bartomiejnozka8992 No, I meant Germans not Austrian.. Krakow's burghers were German since the middle ages. Austrian do not appear on the scene until the late18th century.

[@bartomiejnozka8992]

@@ongvalcot6873 Please cite source of this information. Wikipedia says differently. I am very interested since Kraków was capital of Poland.

[@shylockwesker5530]

Whichever you like, they are only tasty on the day of making them, preferably in the morning.

[@lukask4021]

I'm polish and had no idea haha. I still prefer ny bagel, sorry Kraków.

[@gibsonflyingv2820]

I dispute this assertion to an extent. Having had both I don't find obwarzanek to taste enough like a bagel to qualify it as such. There's a clear historical connection, but the fact is a bagel is made so differently. Besides the ring shape I think what likely happened is jews in Poland at the time made the bagel inspiring from the obwazanek.

[@userabuser181]

Wow ❤

[@jacekchmielewski6372]

Bagel or bargirl did not originate in Eastern Europe but Kraków.

[@jankowalski6338]

they think it's in eastern Europe

[@Paparapatheraper-POL]

How can America know that Poland is in Central Europe,when half of Europe thinks the same simply lack of education. I do not know how in other countries, but in my childhood it was necessary in school to know where each country is located and to know its capital.

[@metanoian965]

@@Paparapatheraper-POL Polad is in the Center of Europe. But, most people think it's in Mongolia or on the moon somewhere. Hard to tell.

[@justynadzt7728]

It's funny, because most of what is considered Jewish cuisine is actually Eastern European cuisine, and the Jews who lived in Eastern Europe brought this cuisine to the United States.

[@KLEIDMANN]

Also middle eastern cuisine like hummus and falafel

[@air2091]

Its almost like you use the ingredients you have access too

[@gibsonflyingv2820]

Nope, not quite. Polish and Ukrainian food have their own dishes, the jews in those countries created their own cuisine within that Eastern European framework. The bagel is a good example, and it is in fact a jewish food created by the jews in Poland many years ago.

[@gibsonflyingv2820]

Side note, Poland is Central Europe, not Eastern Europe.

[@michelhv]

MONTRÉAL is where you should wrongly believe the bagel was invented. Kudos to Poland for actually inventing such a delicacy! Our style is actually much closer to the Krakow one (twists and turns) than the NY one.

[@DWFood]

Thanks for sharing!

[@mareksicinski3726]

or even more precisely polish jews; it isn't specified in the video but apparently it was to get around medieval guild restrictions on making obwarzanki, the Christian bakers' guilds had a monopoly on those recipes

[@ongvalcot6873]

@@mareksicinski3726 Medieval Krakow was German and the Jews there were German Jews. Connection of obwarzanek and bagel to pretzel is obvious.

[@bartomiejnozka8992]

​@@ongvalcot6873 Medieval Kraków was German? I don't think so. Kraków is native Polish city. In 1795-1809 It was occupied by Austrian Empire. In 1815-1846 it was called "Wolne, Niepodległe i Ściśle Neutralne Miasto Kraków i jego Okręg"/"Free city of Kraków" so basically it was govern by itself, but dependent on Prusia, Austria and Russia. In 1846-1867 and 1867-1918 by Austrian and Austrian-Hungarian Empire. Then small episode in 1939-1945 from German s. In other then this times it was Polish. Not everything is or was German...

[@ongvalcot6873]

@@bartomiejnozka8992 Yo do not know history. Medieval Krakow burgers were mostly German. Why do you think Wit Stwosz was in Krakow?

[@stiepanholkien605]

Repeat with me, Obvazhanek, I bet in Czech it's even spelled like that. The word means something like boily/boilie.

[@easykid5625]

i would have never thought that bagels are popular in NY.

[@MbisonBalrog]

But did the Jews do the kneading and boiling and baking themselves? Is this a food and recipe they actually invented?

[@gibsonflyingv2820]

Yes, very specifically Krakow jews boiled their bread after kneading and proofing and baking as it was the only way they were allowed to bake bread in their communities. This was for religious separation reasons

[@thomasschumacher5362]

Beigel to bend

[@Yatzo]

EVERYTHING WAS FINE TILL "EASTER EUROPEAN"...

[@adber299]

41 yo and i do not know single person to eat obwarzanek for breakfast or handing it out to kids for school snack. Tourists buy them mostly to feed pigeons…

[@lucys.4695]

True

[@kimka3855]

I do haha

[@danm7561]

I also eat it often. You have to extend your circle! ;)

[@adber299]

@@danm7561 you eat them only when in Krakow, which is less than once a year i presume. I was not reffering to tourists like yourself, but actually people living in Kraków and that is the difference

[@danm7561]

@@adber299 Hey, I live here 20 years, I'm in Kraków everyday :)

[@patricedecourcy4505]

What makes bagels different from other kinds of bread/buns is that they are boiled before baking. So what's the point of making a video about bagels and showing something what has nothing to do with bagels. Obviously bagels in Cafe Blossom are not boiled. Disappointing material.

[@mareksicinski3726]

It got a bit sidetracked by the plot writing so they could make it better

[@DarkAngel-vf4em]

thanks for the short docu. When people will understand that Jew is not a race or ethnicity, but a religion. There are american jews, polish jews, german jew and even arab jews. stop making a race or ethnicity out of the religion. Those who invented Bagel were Poles but whose religion was Judaism. Edit: spelling

[@bartomiejnozka8992]

Underrated comment.

[@dimbe4122]

Jewish religion and ethnicity is the same

[@gibsonflyingv2820]

Not quite, jewish is an ethnicity and a religion but not a race. In the case of Poland they were polish and jewish ethnically but religious was the main differential. Hope that helps.

[@Jerry500.]

U guys really thought that they were invented in New York? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@DWFood]

🤔 Did you watch the video?

[@gibsonflyingv2820]

They were in the form most people know today. Yes.

[@Jerry500.]

@@gibsonflyingv2820 spoko

[@yehtoon4237]

Bagel and Pizza may not be invented in New York but we made it well known.!!!!!!!!

[@greenmachine5600]

New York style bagel and new York style pizza were invented in New York

[@DWFood]

Both are world famous!

[@mareksicinski3726]

i kind of wonder, it might be true to

[@piotrb4240]

The American version of pizza (or even more specifically, the NYC version) is a cousin of the Italian pizza, and you can debate whether it's the same food item or not. I'd say it's not. Same goes for bagels. BTW, a cousin of the bagel, bialy, also very popular in NYC, is a descendant of a Jewish version of the Polish bagel, developed in Bialystok, NE Poland. Hence the name, "bialy" (literally: white).

[@domingojeromececilio5059]

Marry me Klaudia ❤

[@phpn99]

New York bagels are crap. The best Jewish bagels are to be found in Montreal

[@mzple]

Yes was created by polish jews and brought to the US by Polish Jewish immigrants.

[@myopinions1]

You proved it's similar and not like a bagel

[@mypointofview1111]

For me the bagel is overrated

[@cronosx6174]

The bagel was created by Jewish people living in Poland, but Polish who aren't Jewish seem to want to take credit for the creation of the bagel, too.

[@kamilfilipowicz]

It's literally in this very report, as well as Wikipedia - reports of Polish Obwarzanki are 300 years older than Jewish Bagels...

[@air2091]

@@kamilfilipowiczthose arent bagels tho

[@gibsonflyingv2820]

@@kamilfilipowicz You're confused, the obwarzanki is nothing like the bagel. They share a history but historically they were never boiled before baked. If you've ever eaten them side by side there is no confusing the two. Different taste.

[@kamilfilipowicz]

@@gibsonflyingv2820 You didn't watch the report nor read the wiki, did you? They may taste different, the method may be different, the point was of the historical origin or inspiration or predecessor, call it what you will. Nobody argues they are exactly the same thing, but called different names - the point is just that they didn't come out of vacuum but for some reason appeared in a region where something similar was made for couple hundreds of years already.

[@gibsonflyingv2820]

@@kamilfilipowicz I did, and also you should look into the reality that there are many circular breads in eastern central europe. Versions in Ukraine and Belarus. Fact is theres alot of evidence bagels originated in bialystock, which makes since because bialys are much more similar to bagels than obwarzanki. There's equal evidence to support that claim. In any case the vast difference between polish jewish baking and polish baking often intertwine, but other times they do not.

[@jaimeortega4940]

Kind of hard to beat a NY bagel or pizza both some of the best in the country and the world. Even the guy from the Polish Jewish Center preferred NY bagels.

[@zeitgeistx5239]

Lmao, narrow minded American.

[@michal8976]

I dont think its hard to beat, bc there is nothing to beat. NY bagels are just diffrend style than Kraków one. One person will prefer Kraków other will prefer NY. Just it depend about where you live (memories), whats your taste etc.

[@greenmachine5600]

Exactly. Fresh New York style bagels are amazing

[@Dreju78]

"Even the American from New York, who grew up on NY style bagels, that is now, somehow working in a Jewish center in Poland preffered the New York bagel!" Wow! Such a shocker! 😁

[@mareksicinski3726]

...ok other than the cafe blossom bagels being a weird side tangent that somewhat muddies the waters abt the topic of the video, the guy literally is from New York and had even just flown in there

[@tomasmieldazys3253]

It was in Lithuania!!!! not in poland!!!!

[@mxweng]

I am not a fan of bagels. I live nearby the birth place of the most famous and popular restaurant called MacDonald's. I prefer MCD burgers over bagels but I don't eat there often and last time I had it was a month ago in Odessa, Ukraine.

[@eupowa7]

Is DW being paid to make these adverts for Poland? So flattering it's a little embarrassing. Thanks tho! 😅

[@kestutisa3826]

Bagel is Polish as much as German scientist Kopernik

[@DWFood]

This requires further explanation...

[@chlopakzpolski]

Nationality is not ethnicy otherwise Piłsudski would be Lithuanian.

[@kubarybczynski661]

Kopernik was prussian.

[@maxinorge]

​@@DWFoodpeople say the scientist is german when he's polish

[@give_me_my_nick_back]

Bull shit... I've never ever seen or heard about these in poland, closest I can think of is some old, hard and risgusting bread with holes sold at historical churches for some reason (perhaps as some religious penitential food)

[@GoodOlPain9]

As a Polish man born in Kraków and raised in a nearby village, obwarzanki are everywhere and are commonly eaten for breakfast here. They are sold everywhere in poland but most often here in the Lesser Poland region where the city of Kraków is located.

[@mirekhomarek8562]

Nie słyszałeś nigdy o krakowskich obwarzankach?