Why Automakers Are Betting Big on Gasoline

[@trustgtr33]

when you cant compete, you move the goal post..

[@route55qatar]

LMFAO. Sad but true.

[@erwin734]

You spread disinformation not just goal post.

[@SK-hv3zn]

Excatly

[@rok1475]

Why would you want to compete in a pointless race? The only problem EVs solve is pollution in Chinese cities. China is burning half of the world’s annual coal production to generate electricity. Germany started on the same path by closing all nuclear plants and reopening coal burning ones. EVs won’t make a dent in CO2 emissions but in the meantime idiotic policies destroy the industry.

[@eman67rp]

Well said

[@deepone5005]

Lying to others destroy your credibility. . But lying to yourself is stupidity without a limit.

[@just4therecord]

Yes it’s true, EV sales are stagnating. What they don’t tell you is “EV sales for legacy car makers are stagnating” not sales from Tesla or Chinese EV manufacturers

[@markdorman52]

Slave labor

[@Skyhawk1480]

@@markdorman52 I agree! China should be paying those robots money on their highly automated advanced EV production lines. I'm not sure if their AI is good enough to be grateful for the income though.

[@mrtee3477]

My old Landcruiser still runs fine-no need for electric.

[@MADDENCN]

​@@markdorman52 idk how to be nice to stupid.. sorry China is advancing with automations now. What u refer to was 10yrs and more old news..

[@nyxline]

All EV'S Makers are Going Bankrupt did They tell you that yet, Tesla Layoffs 30,000😂😂😂 EV'S belongs in Junkyards just asked Hertz 😂😂😂😂

[@fineline392]

Don't insult the intelligence of your viewers...

[@00Tenrai00]

Where would you get all that extra copper from? Electric cars are amazing in abstract- also they happen to be worse than ICE and happen to pollute more, just like renewables are a coping mechanism; wind turbine blades would contribute 43 million tons of landfill waste globally by 2050 these can’t be recycled either. Reality is we’re in no position to completely shun from fossil fuels… it’s like vegans wanting Avocados, killing 100s of animals in the process!

[@Allwelfare]

Idiotic video makers like these won't be there a decade later like ICE engines. Chatgpt Gemini, etc will give EV sales data and why Volkswagen is shutting down.

[@aryaman05]

I have no idea what your coded message is, but you're certainly getting a lotta upticks !😊

[@michaelpilos]

Exactly!!! ❤

[@artpan4376]

I would presume..VW closes factories due to high energy costs. Putting more EV's on the road will increase demand on electricity, thus increasing prices of electricity more? Or the whole green German idea is to power EV's by building more coal power plants. :-)))

[@HotRod16]

IT is funny to see policy makers want greener energy. But Chinese EV are providing cheapest solution yet, they make it expensive for the people. That's like hypocrite at work.

[@almontoya5703]

The problem is that buying Chinese EVs can hurt us. China has a significant advantage due to lower labor costs, and the CCP is heavily subsidizing the industry. Chinese manufacturers are producing so many EVs that they need to sell them globally, which drives down prices and negatively impacts domestic brands, putting local jobs at risk. Many countries may need to implement tariffs of 100-200% on these imports. However, Mexico poses a challenge, as they can bypass these tariffs when exporting to the U.S. It remains to be seen how this will unfold. The priority should be to protect local jobs, which outweighs the benefit of buying cheaper Chinese EVs. Knowing the unfair wage gap, we should be supporting wage grown and trade with countries in the same boat despite the higher cost.

[@HotRod16]

@almontoya5703 I also agree with you on that point.

[@friendofvinnie]

Nonsense its just hype like the ghost cities in China 😂

[@frankreynolds9930]

​@almontoya5703 Western countries are too capitalist and will have hard time catching up with less raw materials available for them. So basically customers paying high prices for nothing.

[@strassepinkler]

They even complaining about subsidy from Chinese government when their government are busy funding wars at Ukraine and Palestine.

[@DC-qn4wz]

It's called "incentives" here in the US/Europe, and "illegal subsidies" in other countries. It’s called “high productivity” here, and “overcapacity” there. This is all called “rules-based order” here, and “breaking rules” there.

[@yaulkwong3775]

The other country that is subsidised by government so they break the rules.

[@agarwalamit081]

In short it is called racial hegemony of the white imperialist western countries

[@tooltalk]

Sorry bud, but the US/EU doesn't subsidies exports. Copium.

[@DC-qn4wz]

@@tooltalk That's not true. The subsidy to the manufacturers is also for exports. It's called Inflation Reduction Act.

[@tooltalk]

@@DC-qn4wz the US ira only requ8res l9cal sourcing and manufacturing. No export performance required.

[@dasddasddasdable]

The new narrator sounds like they're presenting a movie trailer. Everything Is So Big And Important! Please don't Americanize DW on KZbin. DW is unique in what it offers. Hold on to that.

[@stevebobhorace]

The dramatic music is the real problem I think.

[@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars]

ChatGPT

[@N1rOx]

It's AI content, it's time to leave your bubble if you want unique news.

[@alexhamburg1187]

German taxpayer is paying for DW. I don't like that

[@henkmagnetic3103]

@@alexhamburg1187 - Especially when it is sounding more like a propaganda channel.

[@stefantzvetkov6576]

several reasons but most notable are 3: failing to learn from history and repeating Kodak, Nokia, etc., big oil propaganda and third lacking innovation and productivity in comparison to China.

[@LinkyouOffical]

If you didn't have to lug around a huge battery costing thousands and you could use Nikola Tesla tech to charge it wirelessly anywhere it could work. BEVs are worse in almost every other way. If you live in a detached house it's easy for you to charge your EV, not so much if you have an apartment.

[@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars]

@@LinkyouOffical Exactly ...ONE THIRD of all car owners don't have the ability to charge an EV at home.

[@naga2015kk]

YES, just like Ericsson, " ..we dont see any competitors.." They are so far behind, there is nobody there.

[@aryaman05]

Points one and three are valid, two is horse-poop.

[@tooltalk]

Kodak, Nokia, etc failed because they were outcompeted by market competitors. The Chinese gov't doesn't believe or practice competition, much less market competition. The global auto industry is being hit by the China's mercantilism.

[@watpsa]

Europeans can’t compete rising China so move goal post and put tariffs on Chinese cars. Well done. We gave subsidies and state discounts on electric cars, charge points no problem but blaming china for same and saying not fair. I have driven several nice prestigious German cars for years. I have also driven new Chinese electric cars. I loved them they are excellent in value and quality. It is shame we are going back closing our door. We as consumers will be paying very high price for our incompetence.

[@DC-qn4wz]

It's called "incentives" here in the US/Europe, and "illegal subsidies" in other countries. It’s called “high productivity” here, and “overcapacity” there. This is all called “rules-based order” here, and “breaking rules” there.

[@almontoya5703]

The problem is China has the big advantage as their labor cost is significantly low. When all the products are made there, American workers suffer. China is unique as they also use slavery in some industries. It's very hard to lower wages in Western countries. The workers have more power than workers in China. With that understanding, if we want to support wage growth, we should support local economy. We should trade with countries that have similar salaries despite the higher cost

[@jackbleiham8475]

So what happened to competition? Sure some will fall by the wayside, other's will thrive but the consumer, most of us will benefit, I'm not in support of big corporations

[@wayangpok]

​@almontoya5703 you are out of your depth.The west is not able to compete because it is still relying on human labour whilst China has gone ahead with robotics. Out completed, the west is now trying to change the narratives by trying to influence consumers and or making ev adoption more difficult or expensive, so that it's auto makers can survive.

[@DC-qn4wz]

​@@almontoya5703 That's not true. Plenty of countries around the world, such as India and Vietnam, have lower labor costs than China. Many manufacturers are already moving there. But a lot are still staying in China as they can mass-produce efficiently, that's one of the main reason they have lower cost of production. The idea of using slavery in China is nothing but a disinformation released by US govt agencies. It's all about stifling the development of China and ensuring US global control. Everything else is just a smokescreen.

[@mariano4762]

Gouvernment paying 10000EUR for rich customers to buy 100k eur car from our money. Meanwhile gouvernment can't pay me 1000EUR to buy an Ebike. Cannot afford a car. They just care for the environment 😂 What a joke!

[@jasonneugebauer5310]

I would have to agree that micro mobility solutions are the greenest solution for short distance transportation. The fact that nobody in government and industry speaks to the true car centric nature of the green mobility situation. EVs are mostly about the car culture and selling expensive goods to those who can afford them.

[@nitinkumar29]

Auto lobby rule German politics so they won't let it happen.

[@21_my_pobedim10]

This is the best comment on this topic I have ever seen! 😊

[@tonigrofu2728]

The answer to Why Automakers Are Betting Big on Gasoline Again is simple, for the majority of consumer gas cars have 2 big advantages: 1 Gas cars are cheaper 2 They are more convenient to use for the majority of people

[@georgepelton5645]

ICE cars are only more convenient for people that don't have access to home charging. Meanwhile there is electric service available just steps away from where everyone parks their cars at night. It is not too big a leap to provide electricity to all home parking spots, making EVs much more convenient for everyone.

[@robertanton1862]

@@georgepelton5645 yeah, you're right I live on 10th floor and I park anywhere I can on the main street, or on the side street, rarely 2-3 streets away, as I catch an empty spot. please provide your solution for my case. quickly please as I'd like to jump on the EV bandwagon (by the way, there's MILLIONS of people like me all over Europe)

[@georgepelton5645]

@@robertanton1862 Ask your town council to install street charging posts near your building. Some town councils in the UK have partnered with Charge Point Operators to do this. Sounds like you have a tough situation though, with 10 story (or more) buildings with no parking garages, just street parking. You must be lucky to find a spot.

[@teklife]

@@robertanton1862 yea i hear ya, there are not yet solutions IMPLEMENTED yet for all use cases, i live in an apt too and have no convenient home charging. but if you think about it, electricity is (neary) everywhere, most of us are never far from electricity, so there just needs to be political will to make street charging a common thing. in some places they're already adding curbside charging from electric poles and old payphones. also, if u have a solar car, like an aptera, it should be able to charge up what u drive in a day, unless ur daily driving is really far, and in that case EVs are still not the solution for every day yet.

[@whitefr4me445]

The Truth many people can't see.

[@seth_sesu]

DW seemingly wants to protect uncompetitive German industry. So many critical facts conveniently ignored in this piece. One being that China, the largest auto market in the world already passed 50% plug-in market share this year.

[@DWREV]

You're absolutely right that China’s rapid adoption of EVs is game-changing. It’s a trend that’s putting real pressure on the global auto industry to adapt, and we’re watching closely to see how German and other manufacturers respond.

[@toptohyekoms]

@@seth_sesu this the moment in history when people are fed up with their unreliable horses and switching into cars despite gasoline stations are mostly rare at that time, same with EV probems nowadays

[@ViolentCabbage-ym7ko]

@@DWREV German car manufactures cannot compete with China when energy and labor are expensive.

[@airrodgers1242]

@@ViolentCabbage-ym7ko German manufacture also make cars in China where they get the same cheap labor and subsidies yet they can not compete there...The key word is EV, Europe are way behind in EV rather its in China or Europe...

[@Yutani_Crayven]

What nonsense. DW has been highly critical of the German legacy car industry. They get called out in video after video after video. Who even comes up with such silly comments?

[@templar1694]

Nope. Its just that legacy Europeans and American automobile makers can't compete with Chinese EV makers.😂

[@martalli]

If only America would support their home-grown EV company. Tesla is competitive, but America risks shooting Tesla.

[@cristian333GTX]

It’s true but electric is not the future, I bet more in hydrogen than electric, the reason the mass of production batteries are polluting more than co2, electric is going to fail hydrogen is the future.

[@martalli]

@cristian333GTX Toyota sure would like is to believe that, since they're barely beyond the technology they had fifteen years ago. They'd like you to think that something 2-3 years away will be the real future, like solid state batteries or hydrogen. Just buy a gas or hybrid today is the message.

[@henriksiefertjakobsen3169]

@@cristian333GTX you know the hydrogen cars IS electric....

[@wisenber]

Legacy carmakers do fine. It's just that consumers don't want EVs as much as they want regular vehicles or hybrids.

[@eilois]

gasoline engine are ranged over miles. Durable ICE last for decades if used less often with lower rpm.. EV battery will degrades over time regardless of usage. That includes hybrid car battery. There is no value for an EV car after 10 years unless they made a replaceable battery. 2027 EU regulated use of user replaceable battery for phones. EV battery is built on chassis. EV is complementary to ICE and will never replace diesel or gasoline ICE. It is something that you use and dispose, not collect for occasional drive.

[@jimliu2560]

Why don’t we shift to affordable hybrids and affordable EV for the lower “ working class first…”- which is the bulk of the population… Then build big, expensive EV for the fewer wealthy people…. What is the point of having $50K EVs when there are $30K Corolla hybrids? Lower class workers just can’t afford EVs in USA when there are cheaper alternatives…

[@Izual001]

That's because they're making owning a car a luxury for the "working class". They are expected to get on the bus, not into cars.

[@MadIIMike]

Don't worry, by the time EVs are mandatory, there aint going to be much of a working class left.

[@Banmuyuan]

There are cheaper EVs from China, but the US ruling class don't want you to get them.

[@wallyrogers2371]

Almost like if the legacy car makers started worrying about this 15 years ago instead of spending all their money on super bowl ad wars...

[@Ushio01]

EV's are like gym equipment you get it thinking your going to change then the effort required to make that change means you go back to how you where within months. No one wants the long charge times and short range of EV's after they have had one they realise the benefits of an EV do not outweigh the cons. As a second vehilce they are fine but you need an ICE for real life.

[@MT-ys6ju]

I will only ever buy an EV if the cost is equal to it's equivalent ICE model, can provide a range of 800-1000 kms and costs equally to charge and run. At the moment, it's more expensive to publicly charge an EV than it is to fill a tank of petrol

[@wackyp]

So long as the world uses diesel, gas cars aren’t going anywhere.

[@paulc6766]

There are two ways of reading that.

[@kolviczd6885]

WHY? - Because they can't compete. Simple as that.

[@markc6123]

I was in China, we now all ready 5 years behind.

[@cristian333GTX]

You lying, is a game changer dude.

[@jasonmugridge]

At least

[@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV]

China is 5 years ahead of us using our EV tech, got it! :D

[@Pierina.24]

Just 5?

[@blackknight5427]

China has time travel 20 years into the future n stole our future tech, and now they are 10 years ahead of us in terms of technology

[@xyz-gn6xq]

Betting on ICE cars again? Is DW serious ? Why going through all the trouble slapping high tariffs on EVs?

[@martalli]

This sounds like an advertisement. Perhaps this was paid for by Toyota.

[@jasonneugebauer5310]

It is a fact that auto makers for the US are refocusing on ICE vehicles. They got to make what they can sell at a profit. Fiduciary responsibility, it's the law for corporations.

[@kevinallen4604]

@@jasonneugebauer5310 battle lost already, they might aswell make steam powered vehicles. Any profit now is short term and a double edged sword, its just digging the hole deeper. Its why they are in the muddle already. Short term profit for the ceo to hit the bonus target. Tesla make a profit on their sales and they make a lot of sales. Car market is shrinking and there is more competition, is old tech realy going to save them? EV are getting better and better, those arguments the ice community invented used to knock EV are slowly being turned on the head, those same arguments will be aimed at the ice shortly. So turning to grossly inefficient, high maintenance , dirty ice isnt going to save the day. Just wait until the lady in your life finds her car is full and ready to go in the morning, every morning and you dont need to get your hands or clothes dirty at the pump, that alone will convince many customers. Add in it costs a fraction to fill up at home, single peddle driving and safety features. That noise you here about ice being the future, its only its death rattle.

[@WangMingGe]

@@jasonneugebauer5310 Yep. If the customers don't want EVs, gotta sell them ICE vehicles. Else, you go bankrupt.

[@thethirdman225]

@@WangMingGe Even the United States cannot support a large market for ICE vehicles. The three majors - GM, Ford and Stellantis - are all under major pressure. A lot of the trouble stems from well-established oil industry propaganda networks and conservative governments rolling back any legislation. 'Drill baby, drill' is Trump's hope to resuscitate Detroit in a dream of fat, gas-guzzling V8s from a bygone era. All those manufacturers consider themselves global manufacturers and they're not going to build anything they can't sell overseas. That's why Stellantis got rid of its runout stock of Grand Cherokee V8s by sending them to Australia before any emissions legislation could go through. They made it by the skin of their teeth. But if you think the American market wants those kinds of cars, think again. They were sent to Australia because they couldn't sell them in the US. Nobody wanted them. Stellantis's share price dropped by about 50% in 2024. What chance do they have of surviving? They couldn't stick it in China and had to leave. Now they're negotiating with Leap Motors to get back in. And that's what's going to happen: the companies that have been major players for up to a century are going to have to go cap-in-hand to China and hope the Chinese will bail them out. I don't like their chances. They have nothing to offer.

[@teamallyracing1780]

Toyota is right ,other manufacturers are dreaming to think electric alone will cut it

[@kevinallen4604]

Toyota is clueless. They dont even unrstand basic physics ....hence dumb idiots think Hydrogen will work. Stupid little canisters to power a car. Maybe they should quit cars and go into the camping stove business.

[@markfarrugia8226]

I have just clocked 90k km in my Nissan leaf......the petrol industry hates my guts

[@flashsushi1843]

Nah. My '12 CT200h has 285,000 km lol but I have started shopping for OEM HV battery. Hopefully a few more years but I will definitely buy OEM. Calendar aging is real and degradation is but one reason for pack failures.

[@iulian2548]

Nice, a real car, not a bloated SUV. In which country do you drive you car and how green is the grid there?

[@Ccc47373]

Nobody hates you fam. Try coming out of your delulu world

[@henkmagnetic3103]

The Gs on take-off, can be quite amazing.

[@markdorman52]

Where do you think your electricity comes from for the most part?

[@AveryAshtynRebecca]

transcribethis AI fixes this. Automakers betting big on gasoline.

[@leevuong8843]

Western automakers know very well they can't compete against Chinese EVs...

[@ElMistroFeroz]

Tesla is competing with them just fine, in their own home territory.

[@emitindustries8304]

Click bait. Horses were THE transportation for centuries. Then gasoline. EVs must be the next mode. As batteries improve, and solar power expands, juice is the obvious choice.

[@michaelsheen4760]

No doubt. But that horizon is further off than many think, except consumers, who seem to be waking up. Battery tech is still the achilles heel here.

[@jasonneugebauer5310]

I hope you drink your juice in the afternoon on a sunny day.

[@kotto2001]

The drop in subsidies, yes. But the video neglects to mention the worse effect of tariffs because ICE could not compete against Chinese EVs.

[@oliveroliver8772]

es ist kein comeback, sondern ein aufbäumen vor dem fall. nokia hat auch gedacht, touchscreen ist mist.

[@nyxline]

Nokia and EV'S have lithium batteries they belong in Junkyards 🔥🔥🚒 😂😂

[@biggeststeppa1]

DW has no integrity. This is the same network that ran a hit piece on Tesla a few years ago, having their reporters point to floor mats and say "these floor mats were made in Germany. Without us there would be no Tesla" - now they're back with a sequel try to smother the entire industry. Cry some more, we're still going to walk past German dealerships as we go buy Chinese EVs.

[@PapaPiggie]

I’ve never seen DW out right lie this much on environmental videos. VW EVs are not selling because their software is terrible. All these legacy manufacturing lost China. Many like Jeep closed their Chinese factories. Globally EV sales were up 20% globally. China which sells 30% of all cars sells 50% EVs. I could go on and on debunking the lies in this.

[@santostv.]

Germany auto industry is playing with fire, stop been against progress. It’s not too late ,so stop been idiots.

[@larryc1616]

Too little too late Kodak! Nokia! Blockbuster!

[@santostv.]

@ imo it’s not too late if they act quickly ,vw group is still the biggest auto group, Stellantis is third and yes they are French but they have the same problem although at least they are trying imo,Mercedes is fourth. In ev’s although hugely behind ,bmw is 4th,Volkswagen 8th,Mercedes 9th,audi 13th.

[@the80386]

Germany has so much potential to independently engage and grow with the world - china, russia, india, africa, asean etc. but their leaders are compromised and have no choice but to sink with the US empire. ordinary germans will lose out.

[@templar1694]

Germany have been doing very big wrong decisions lately. Like they close their nuclear facilities😂.

[@markdorman52]

Being

[@kaioser]

I want only diesel and gas period!

[@paulc6766]

Ah a poor person.

[@HayatiUyar-qw6cb]

Oil companies still want to make money ! I am driving my electric car last 2 years very happy 👍

[@aryaman05]

They Still make money, running your charging station generators, and from all the signal wire/power cable sheath, lubes and specialty oils that EV uses, and from making billions of tires !😊

[@danielgospodinov5786]

For me is cheaper to drive big gasoline engine car and i am happy😇

[@aryaman05]

@@danielgospodinov5786 Diesel would be a better choice, with some clever blending it literally runs on anything that has heating value.

[@jassam707]

@@aryaman05EV provides an opportunity to use renewables to run a car, which ICE didn’t. As time progresses, renewables % will increase in the energy mix, and the oil companies will loose revenue. As a result, future generations will have less green house gases to worry about. How good is that !

[@krasimirdimov4778]

@@danielgospodinov5786 You must be the only one !

[@Beck-b9g]

Oil companies funding anti EV material is a major hurdle. Oil companies refuse to let go of their death grip control of society.

[@pooroldnostradamus]

You don't allow for the possibility that it's just what a sizeable chunk of people want?

[@tomizatko3138]

@@pooroldnostradamusPeople in this day and age have zero power.😊

[@paulc6766]

@@pooroldnostradamus No.

[@3089280288]

To be replaced by another grip?

[@larryc1616]

Yes just like this video. Pure fossil fuel propaganda 😂

[@markrobby7136]

So that tells you that the vw fiasco isn't because of ev cars, but lack of innovations and over-priced cars

[@ThePilotGear]

definitely a lack of innovation. Our North American Volkswagen products are 20 year old bricks with capacitive buttons and touch screens. ie none of their innovations are relevant to customer demands. We have no hybrid or plug-in hybrid Volkswagens here, and the only Volskwagen EV is the ID.4; a heavy tech bubble.

[@markdorman52]

Competition from slave labor

[@markrobby7136]

@@ThePilotGear , I'm surprised that even Kia has far better cars in the US market than vw.

[@ThePilotGear]

@ sadly, yes. But Kia and Hyundai are pretty impressive manufacturers.

[@cb250nighthawk3]

​@@markdorman52 Such an innovative comment that rings like a bell in deep waters.

[@Sam-uy7oq]

ICE all the way.

[@paulc6766]

But to where?

[@seanhynesireland]

Ev sales are up 22% worldwide this year

[@markdorman52]

22% from what?

[@ciprian6356]

What is your source?

[@pth6060]

Where did you get the information from?

[@huanyao1215]

china

[@rickhammond2473]

EV's are up 30% the past 2 quarters globally.

[@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV]

So, the media doesn't understand the split between the legacy car makers and actual EV makers.... Got it..... :D

[@michaelpilos]

We are such a hypocritical idiots!! We are going to loose the EV game big time! 😢🇩🇪

[@martiruda]

nah. China came surprisingly to the rescue. good bye europe

[@blanamaxima]

It is always cool to see how startups are disrupting the market. In this case , subsidies make a huge difference. I would not buy a Chinese brand in Europe, unless you want to be in a world of pain. First, resale options are basically zero and on top service is basically zero. If you have an accident you will not find a garage to repair. A taxi driver friend has a nio and had an accident, the next garage is 500km away :))

[@AldoGrech55]

Already lost!

[@nyxline]

@@michaelpilos Na Most of EV'S Makers are Bankrupt Tesla Layoffs 30,000 Employees whole Factories, Fisker Bankrupt Lucid And Rivian Close to Bankrupt Chinese EV's makers Bankrupt 😂😂😂😂😆

[@PabloLpH]

It was dead on arrival.

[@hvxcolors396]

Wait... let me first put a 36 exposure 200ASA film in my AEG mobile phone. Wait ... I can't watch this video on my Blaupunkt TV. The manufacturer said that people will never watch video clips longer than 5 minutes.

[@peteralflat281]

You can always rent the video from Blockbuster Video, why not listen to some music from a C90 cassette on your Sony Walkman on the way there?

[@liang8255]

If you can’t make EVs, you move back to squeeze the last cents of gas cars before it’s fully out.

[@randunufdo1]

I currently drive a Korean EV and I will not go back to ice cars so my options are either to go with Korean cars or Chinese cars which I'm happy to do either way because tesla are too expensive.

[@thetipplingaskal]

Even if evs do not replace ice 100%, growing to 40-50% alone would have change the dynamics of the existing auto business, imagine your business potential shrinks to 50% of what it used to be, your business would be in trouble. These propaganda are just to prolong the decline and hope for them to adjust to new environement of business. As they say it will be a multipolar world, same with vehicles, mix of pure ice, hybrids and pure electric in the future.

[@bartjes2509]

In EU (I'm from Netherlands) the age of early adopters have passed. In Netherlands there's company & rental cars where EV cars are still feasible. For owning such a car, subsidies are rolled back and road taxes will be higher than petrol. In addition, public charging also add parking costs, more than regular parking fee in the neighborhood. 2nd hand cars are pretty pupolar in Netherlands and the cost of such an EV are just too high, range and battery life are just too uncertain. Despite the wars in the world, the cost of petrol seems somewhat unaffected, making that still pretty feasible

[@sukrutarkak8882]

We heard the same story from kodak about digital cameras and from nokia about the iphones. Bye bye vw, mercedes, bmw, ford, gm, citroen etc.

[@spongeintel9323]

🚬

[@GoodMenstruationAttitude]

Battery tech needs some refinement before it's a longterm answer but it's interesting to note how quickly manufacturers managed to develop 38+ mpg, 200 hp non-hybrid ICE engines within a couple years of mandates and competition showing up.

[@rory-red]

most people don't drive that far everyday at most about 30 to 40 miles aday.

[@MariAmmaSar]

Solve the massive plastics usage crisis first, then you can talk about silly ev cars with non recyclable lithium batteries

[@evamurray2564]

Finally, a sane point. I totally agree.

[@paulc6766]

@@evamurray2564 Apart from the fact that it is wrong.

[@evamurray2564]

@paulc6766 care to elaborate?

[@donfalcon1495]

How would you reduce plastic use?

[@Mitkawatch]

@@donfalcon1495 It won't happen as people like cheap and shiny that breaks fast so they can buy cheap and shiny again and again ect...

[@user-pt1ow8hx5l]

Thats daft. They can continue making ICE's on their old factories for some time, the cost being sunk - and prepare ICEs for 'alternative fuels'.... But electric cars are just more efficient. And robust. And cheaper to run. With solarpanels becoming cheap too every electric car owner can make his own fuel, too.....

[@viljamikoivunen6297]

And consumers don't want EV's like many projected. Because product is just not good enough. And how many companies in world does make profit out of building EV's?

[@00Tenrai00]

Of course… the sun shines 365 days everywhere!

[@gregorymalchuk272]

Except when you need to refuel them. EVs simply don't offer the same transportation services as petroleum and hybrid electric vehicles.

[@stevebobhorace]

Solar panels generate power even on completely cloudy days.

[@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars]

ONE THIRD of all car owners don't have the ability to charge an EV at home.

[@mkoschmall]

It‘s only shocking to marketing and soulless beancounters. The average carowner wants cheap and reliable transportation and doesn’t really care about what’s the power source. If they listend to their customers, the manufacturers would have been spared from this indignation.

[@jasonneugebauer5310]

If you want cheap transportation and you are traveling less than 10 miles/16 kilometers an E bike or E scooter is the greenest, most affordable, often fastest solution.

[@mkoschmall]

@ Depending on the climate you‘re living in and the stuff you have to take along.

[@jokeychin]

If traditional automakers continue to avoid new challenges with this weak stance, the auto industry will repeat the “Nokia decline” in the near future.

[@aryaman05]

Nokia lost supporters/support system, Automakers have diehard fans who actually do Not want them to quit. There is a difference.

[@jasonmugridge]

@@aryaman05 Other than buyers that want BMW's full M series and Audi's RS cars etc etc there are few diehard fans, most ICE car consumers will happily switch to an EV. Currently the ID3 is €15,000 in China, how many buyers currently looking for a new car that size will not switch at that price.

[@maszkalman3676]

@@jasonmugridge No i bet my ass i won't happily switch to an ev ever...

[@mutkaluikkunen3926]

@@jasonmugridge You would be wrong there. I drive a 20 year old ICE Corolla, I currently have no home charging possibility and I need to drive longer trips without several hour charging breaks. I would never pour even 15K into a small, inconvenient EV in my life. Maybe.. say 10 years from now, IF the charging infra has progressed enough, I might get a used EV, but that's still long ways away.

[@jyothishpkumar5542]

what the fuc** is that background music😱....

[@ccx22]

Yesterday Europe bought cheap gas from Russia now cheap cars from China

[@igorpupkinable]

EU doubled down on Ukraine and closing factories because they cannot compete without cheap Russia energy. US is having a good laugh 😂

[@LCCB]

The Tesla Model Y was the world's best-selling car in 2023, beating out Toyota and Honda models. But sure, EVs aren't growing at all! /sarcasm

[@fuzzymonkey777]

Lots of people think you need a special charger installed by an electrician to own an EV. But EVs come with a cable that connects the car to a regular wall outlet. We are still at the beginning of the S curve.

[@markdorman52]

Does the electricity just appear there, or does it come from the sky?

[@jyotiradityadeka2905]

where does the electricity come from......a unicorns ass or coal burning power plants.....atleast my car burns diesel and not coal

[@cb250nighthawk3]

I am one of those people! Please tell me what are the EV home chargers for if you can charge the EV directly from a wall socket point.

[@fuzzymonkey777]

@@cb250nighthawk3 The home chargers that connect to 220 volts charge your car twice as fast. My nissan leaf gets almost 5 miles of range for every hour I charge it. That's using a regular 120 volt outlet.

[@cb250nighthawk3]

@fuzzymonkey777 TQ mate

[@ggusta1]

But .. didn't they just bet big on EVs and lose billions??? They sound like an addict chasing a high. Not a rational investor....

[@kanavaro2010]

This year, EV sales were projected to exceed 14 million units, up from 10 million last year. While the EV market is expanding, growth is particularly strong outside the EU and US, as consumers gain access to affordable Chinese vehicles that offer greater range and advanced technologies.

[@markdorman52]

So youre OK with communist slave labor? Read some history...

[@siconghe1515]

The US is Ok with made in China products by importing $427 billion dollars of good from China. Germany is Ok with made in china products by importing 155 billion euro of goods from China. The reason is that, till now there is no solid proof of this slave labor claim about China. I have watched the reports done by dw news. Not a single video proof was provided. Not to mention that fat that Chinese EV companies are highly automated. Few labor is even need to produce the cars. As a result, worrying about the slave labor used in making Chinese EVs is just nonsense

[@teovm]

But you think only for today, not for tomorrow. Cheap Chinese products come at a cost tomorrow. They have no long lasting support and also you are dependent on the Chinese. 7-10 years ago we had a Chinese produced pickups. Sold to some government structures like Fire and Forest protection agencies, rural police department and such, also some private individuals (but no more than a few thousands). Let me tell you what happened - no support after warranty and in the last years no support in the warranty. The company had declared bankruptcy. No schematics of the Electrics, no schematics on the 4WD. And the 4WD system is the most problematic at the moment as it is an automated and electronic clutch. If it brakes there is no way you can rebuild it. They have even tried switching modules from working trucks, to non working trucks and still does not work. There is a problem in the psb board, or some other electronic equipment within the 4WD system, maybe serializable boards. There is no diagnostic tool, even reputable middle class diagnostics do not work on them. And the pickup is toast. With everything else working. Is that what you want from an EV. On top of that an EV is really dangerous, because of it's batteries and BMS. I do not want that from any car, especially an EV. I do not care how cheap they are now, as in 5 years time if there is no support, the value will be 0. And we will be left with a garbage that who knows if it's even recyclable.

[@nyxline]

Surely 😉 But Why Tesla Layoffs 30,000 Employees and Why Hertz got rid of 30,000 EV'S 😂😂😆

[@michaelsheen4760]

Yeah. And become dependent on a product that is made by a regime that is malevolently minded towards the west.

[@carloscastaneda5836]

In example. No more Yaris or Fit for the US. Big mistake. They are more ecological than a heavy battery powered car. Check it out. It is a fact for the first 14 years using a Yaris or a Fit instead of a Tesla. it is a fact. less carbon footprint. Does a Yaris/Fit give you status? NO. It is pure efficient transportation. Vanity of the consumer is the problem here.

[@billthomas8994]

People here in the USA have been brainwashed for far too long that bigger is always better. Too many have bought into the lie and have watched their retirement nest eggs evaporate to keep the gas guzzler going. Don’t get me wrong, solid conservative in other areas and happy for the Trump victory. Here’s hoping that Elon works with the new administration and does release an affordable BEV for the masses. Then true market forces will be at play to silence at least some of the critics.

[@tengchuankhoo6585]

There more renewable energy available to most people and countries in the world than petrol or diesel and DW thinks ICE will prevail 😂

[@DWREV]

Well, that's not quite what we're saying. We just want to point out that ICE cars are making a bit of a comeback right now. We're not predicting they will prevail in the long run.

[@maniche813]

@@DWREVsehe ich in China . Heute schon 50%

[@jasonneugebauer5310]

I'm sure wind and solar are doing a great job of changing all those EVs at night on a calm day. Renewables are great for reducing hydrocarbon use when they are producing. But, they are NOT a direct replacement. Hydrocarbons are energy storage. Wind and solar are variable power that must be used the instant it is produced or be lost. Battery storage costs are completely prohibitive to grid scale storage.

[@roro-v3z]

​@@DWREVhahaha i guess German gas gusling car makes payed you well for this video

[@paulc6766]

@@jasonneugebauer5310 Battery storage is now being rolled out at grid scale and domestic batteries are growing fast. Energy independence is a great thing.

[@Noynac75]

Imagine if a non european country had gone backward on its climate promises

[@aryaman05]

These days, no one gives a sh.t to any narrative, as they keep doing what's best for their nation state.

[@markdorman52]

If you believe we can change the "climate" you have drank WAY too much KoolAide!

[@nyxline]

Hey You Can help 😉 if You want to be Green Just Be Homeless That's The most Green anyone can Be 💚💚💚🍏 😂

[@Swiplys]

Funny how European politicians keep harping on about green revolution and electrification yet they U-turned on their own policies only when they were out-competed by China. We're still buying 90% of our solar panels, batteries and wind turbines from China so there's that. But it makes you wonder what else have western politicians been lying about? Especially with their unecessary war mongering

[@Noynac75]

@@nyxline i was making a different point.

[@hermanyeung4227]

I used to be a doubter of EV, not any more. Can't wait for the BYD Shark coming to the US.

[@ThePilotGear]

EVs really are pretty great commuters. I'd go with a used one before a chinese one. That's not a can of worms anyone should want to open.

[@markdorman52]

Yawn...

[@ThePilotGear]

@@markdorman52 someone sounds forced to watch videos and read comments.

[@nyxline]

MR Chinese EV's Shills detected 🔥🚒😂

[@edvoon]

All the ones losing sales are legacy companies - so they are trying to fleece existing customers as much as they can. They are wasting the extra time that their Governments are buying for them through tariffs. Chinese EVs and Tesla are booming ahead. Sales might slow but are still growing.

[@henkmagnetic3103]

True. Took people a while to be convinced cars were better than the horse and cart. Maybe Germany can sell us on the idea of a clean, green horse.

[@markdorman52]

No "fleecing" necessary. Its a conscious transaction. Use your head

[@flashsushi1843]

Rocking my '11 Accord coupe bought new. Driving my '12 CT200h more though since it's very fuel efficient. 177k miles now and no fear of ICE crapping though HV battery may be due for replacement anytime now. Waiting for better batteries because currently, battery replacements either cost too much or not made available. Eight year warranty is too short, heck, operability is covered three to four years only because that's software and not covered by the longer batter warranty.

[@ViolentCabbage-ym7ko]

They can't compete with China, that's why.

[@ManChickin]

Because everyone is soo far behind the chinese battery tech they cant compete.. so seek to make there own market again even though its about to be made irrelevant

[@eilois]

so most of these automakers gave up on the idea of swappable car battery to increase sales which is wicked. The chinese Nio EV swap for 5 minutes. with a 3 car parking space for a single station, 10-13 batteries available swapping device for each single station and 60 minutes for a full charging on each battery. There will be no unavailable battery in this systems and the company can replace a faulty one if exist.

[@andreykuleshov1d1fg]

If I have one car in the family, I want it to be able to run at least a thousand kilometers per day non-stop. And I want to be able to refuel it easily in a few min. Hence it will not be electrical. Only if I have two cars in a family I will consider electrical one as an option for a city car, smaller one and cheaper one. There is no way I will pay more for it than for a principle one. Hence, no electrical car in my family.

[@paulc6766]

Where do you drive 1000k per day every day? What fool.

[@peteramey9385]

Automakers who are really struggling and can't compete on EV's (losing money) are doing this, yes. They want to keep the ICE gravy train running as long as possible. Sad!

[@unreliablenarrator6649]

China has been working on EVs for almost 30 years,. In this time, German automakers enjoyed their largest and most profitable ,market in China, and did not take Chinese regulations seriously until they got the "wake-up call" - they were sleeping. Now they are back-peadlaing in Europe to avoid bankruptcy. US is even worse - caught flat-footed and now hiding behind "national security" to lock Chinese out of the American market. What was the staff or DW drinking when they made this video?

[@satanbuster8248]

I don't think the staff at DW were drinking at that time. More likely they were smoking cracks or sniffing cocaine with all the grant monies they got from part of the US allocations of over a billion US dollars in anti China propaganda program.

[@jasonmugridge]

I think that was much of the problem for the German car companies, because they were making so much money in China they didn't bother with any R&D. BMW did a great job with the first i3 and could of been a world leader in EV tech, but they realised it would hurt their current business model and so didn't carry on with it. Its the same for GM with the EV1 and Toyota with the original Prius. Now the Chinese will hurt Germanys business model and they only have themselves to blame.

[@jasonneugebauer5310]

The video is an accurate depiction of what is happening. Don't shoot the messenger. If you want the situation to change, incurage people to purchase EVs from legacy manufacturers. I don't know if you've herd the expression "wish in one hand and poo in the other and see which one fills up faster."? Wishes don't catch fishes. People do what they think is best for themselves. When EVs are affordable and reliable and easy to charge and people see that value, then EVs will sell themselves.

[@milozhang1402]

apparently they were drinking gasoline

[@jasonneugebauer5310]

@денисбаженов-щ1б I think 100% of the market controlled by any country is bad for everyone. But it is good to see some strong competition in the market reset the playing field. I hope traditional manufacturers will rise to the challenge and produce reliable vehicles that more closely match their customers needs and are able to do so more efficiently.

[@pushbikeman]

A very good solid polished and informative video thus very interesting!

[@DWREV]

Glad you liked it! Please pass it on to a friend.

[@robertwestinghouse4098]

We should be focusing on greening of the energy production...not wasting resources on cars. I would love an electric car, but more important is energy.

[@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars]

We are ...but changing all the fundamentals takes decades.

[@robertwestinghouse4098]

@@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars I agree. But the idiot politicians need to realise we cannot pull a rabbit out of the hat by 203....

[@hadisoewoyo8739]

still better then dirty electricity and also dirty vehicle gas.

[@aryaman05]

@@Luke-PlanesTrainsDogsnCars Ha, but somehow everyone wants full global EV adoption by next Monday.

[@matrixbug]

Europe and USA, are spent fortune on the war. You be supprised if they still have any money left for anything else, specially for improving the electrical infastruction.

[@whatthef911]

The big car companies have no choice at all. They simply cannot make EV's at a profit. They will exist until the consumer decides to choose from profitable EV makers like Tesla or BYD.

[@piconano]

Wait until crops start failing, then people will wake up.

[@markdorman52]

More CO2 = more crops

[@ahmednjidda6182]

I never followed this EV madness. The tech is not ripe enough to go full force adoption

[@tooltalk]

I'm not getting an EV at least until 2035.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Ripe enough I would say after 5 and half years and 110,000 km of EV driving. I can't think of any circumstance that would make me go back to ICE.

[@keianpena9635]

​@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270ice makes loud and cool sounds tho

[@tooltalk]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 ripe enough for small/compact urban EVs.

[@cobaltblue2756]

Yet it's working in country like Norway and china , the problem is your government and corporation that want to keep pollute to run vehicles exist

[@dijikstra8]

Both the US and Europe has been way too late to investing in the entire EV supply chain, and the longer they wait the worse it's going to get. This is why China is dominating right now, they invested early and they stuck with it.

[@mutkaluikkunen3926]

Nah, if both aforementioned economies block Chinese EVs with tariffs, it buys them time to catch up. China can't sell their oversubsidised vehicles forever.

[@stevem7508]

No desire to buy a stupid EV ever

[@LLee0]

The European EV hiccup is due to the war in Ukraine. It will not impact the long term EV trajectory....

[@samwu8070]

A car is just one transportation option. For my daily commute, I rely on a bicycle and public transit, reserving car use for weekend trips to the suburbs.

[@yahyaalzahrani1481]

The best combination is fuel generator and a electric motor and between a copaciter or a battery. Sincerly.

[@diogotxx]

And suddenly DW (and maybe Germany?) is a flat earther...

[@willeisinga2089]

BYD sales 28.2 Billion third Quarter. Tesla sales 25.2 Billion third Quarter. VW shut down. Dodge Ram Jeep in trouble. BMW Mercedes Audi diesel zero Sales. The World goes Electric. Thats a Fact.❤❤❤👍

[@chesshooligan1282]

VW has shut down because it seems picking a fight with your provider of cheap energy and increasing your production costs dramatically wasn't a good idea. Same thing for Mercedes and Audi. All of those manufacturers produce electric vehicles as well.

[@melchior-chr.v.brincken8006]

@@chesshooligan1282 VW can not sell enough in China from their Chinese factory - which they closed down. The Xpeng Mona M03 is sold for $16.800 and comparable to a BMW. The Geely EV costs $15.000 and is comparable to a VW Golf - for less than half the price. The factories of Geely and Xpeng are producing an EV every 58 seconds. Only Tesla is making money in China.

[@tooltalk]

Mostly in China. Over 95% of BYD's sales in China, a captive market.

[@nyxline]

@@willeisinga2089 Tesla Layoffs 30,000 employees 😿 Hertz going Bankrupt on EV'S, Lucid And Rivian Close to Bankrupt Fisker Bankrupt,All Chinese EV's makers Bankrupt 😂😂😂😆

[@kevinallen4604]

@@chesshooligan1282 VW may make EV but........... VW in five years time our EV will do this and that. China here's ours they do that already and cheaper than yours that don't have those abilities for another five years.

[@gamegame-vc5ww]

Its so sad for ICE i get it. But dont mix lies with reality. You only discredited yourself.

[@mutkaluikkunen3926]

Point the lies, please.

[@RobdeBoer-i3m]

There is no cure against stupidity. Yes, you can try to push gasoline a few more years but you end up nowhere

[@mutkaluikkunen3926]

Explain please. Many people do not want to buy EVs as they are currently. Equally many people are probable glad they didn't buy an EV a few years back due to the catastrophic drop in resale value. The reason people don't want to buy EVs are many, but main problems are lack of home charging possibility, long charging times, short ranges in cold weather etc. The tech just isn't there yet and it shows. Many traditional car manufacturers are cutting back in their EV programs, as it was stated here. It's just a fact.

[@paulc6766]

@@mutkaluikkunen3926 They should stop reading this nonsense then.

[@harrystofberg5794]

It is rather simple none of the legacy car companies are able to gain marketshare in EV let alone make profits. Tesla and the Chinese are leading with Tesla making great profits and BYD is not losing money. Tesla is updating their range for a new growth spurt The reaction of the legacy companies? Scaling down and waiting for government support! So the future is easy to predict Tesla and BYD will continue to lower prices as batteries become cheaper and economies of scale come through as the Qtr 3 results by Tesla clearly indicates.

[@viskovandermerwe3947]

I think the production of EV batteries cause more damage to the environment than new ICE engine designs.

[@lukeecle117]

because the usa said NO

[@danfarrand9072]

Insufficient range, poor charging networks outside of Urban clusters, high insurance costs, high repair costs, poor build quality (on some of Teslas products - like Cybertruck), poor resale values. Many of these problems might well be fixed in 5 years as batteries slowly improve. But for now ? I just bought a Toyota. A nice, comfortable vehicle, 4100 pounds and yet it gets 40 MPG and there are gas stations everywhere where it takes me 10 minutes to fill up. This reality makes some people mad and they want to impose their choices on others and mandate ICE vehicles out of existence. Americans it seems have just lost the willingness to compete and invest in the hard slog of engineering and incremental improvements.

[@paulc6766]

Just about wrong on every point.

[@butchfajardo8832]

We need dirt cheap electricity and electric vehicles. Like the famous VW Beetle before! Really the peoples' car. Very cheap and so easy to maintain. Making luxury EVs are only for the rich!

[@markdorman52]

Darn physics wont allow that

[@butchfajardo8832]

@markdorman52 , business won't allow that. Huge profits is top priority than the planet and the people.

[@darylnicklen3685]

It's quite obvious that most who wanted EV's have already purchased them and those who don't are not buying. ALL car manufacturers are tone deaf to what there customers want and need and are suffering declining sales for being that way. Current data shows many EV owners want an ICE car for there next purchase.

[@paulc6766]

No it doesn't.

[@dulio12385]

Its down to infrastructure; 21 kw home charging requires Three-Phase Power which is an industrial rather than a residential standard while 7-11 kw portable charging is too slow to be practical. Never mind the lack of public charging stations to accomodate continuous long distance travel.

[@michaelsheen4760]

Quite. I am in a rural area, but still not a million miles from a major city. Yet, cnarging infrastructure is scattered, rarer that rocking horse shit and frequently damaged. Not an option for this little black duck, and won't be for years.

[@webrbio3153]

They are admitting that EVs are failures and only Toyota had the prerequisite brains and eyes to foresee the disaster EVs would bring to companies like VW and Stellantis.

[@cashbonanza963]

I love V8s but I have nothing against EVs especially utility vehicles. That'll make our cities a bit quieter. I prefer riding an eBus to a noisy diesel one.

[@paulking2039]

Petrol head Jeremy Clarkson predicted some time ago we'll all be driving Chinese EVs in the future, the US and EU can't stop progress, in a vain attempt to save their ICE manufacturers who got left behind. Tesla is not changing to ICE, it's profitable and going no-where, although the CEO could wind his neck in and sell even more cars.

[@markdorman52]

If it were not for government subsidies, even LESS electric cars would sell. Use your head for something other than a hat rack

[@fabianyee]

European and US brands are only interested in making premium priced EV for higher profit margin which most average consumers can't afford. Also a fact that Chinese started making EV before even Tesla started. They had time to refine and improve in the last 20 years.

[@Call-me-James]

It all comes down to politics. In California, EVs sales are continuing to grow exponentially, and Los Angeles has twice as many EV charging stations as gas stations. If Harris wins the presidency, EVs will continue to grow because she is a Californian. But if Trump wins, I don't even want to think about all the bad things that will happen.

[@carllinden533]

Holy moly the music is so bad, sounds like a ww2 documentary

[@johnvif]

May I ask why these goverment agencies, including media, giving contradictory information?

[@jasonneugebauer5310]

Government agencies say whatever is on their agenda, same as news organizations. People, have different opinions, understanding, and agendas this leads to a wide range of options and subsequent news. Rarely is the truth high on the list of criteria for publication.

[@mutkaluikkunen3926]

What do you mean "contradictory information". Everything stated here is a fact.

[@MrBurairHaider]

It seems EV is probably the first technology which will be adapted in the 3rd world first before the 1st world.

[@Rickbass2481]

Better charging infrastructure, lower priced EV’s, supportive government, and media are the keys to successful EV adoption 😎

[@Battleneter]

Lithium batteries are not the answer, no matter what you have been sold by the mainstream media. more and more people are realizing it.

[@markdorman52]

In other words - nanny state. No thanks

[@DWREV]

Let's hope all those items fall into place sooner rather than later!

[@mutkaluikkunen3926]

The battery tech is not ready yet. Operating an EV in cold climate and with longer ranges is pure pain right now. EVs may come, but this artificial push does not serve anyone, least of all customers. I almost feel bad for the early adopters whom certainly have no saved a dime with their EV acquisition.

[@rahadiananggit7585]

Is this 19th century propaganda? Good job