Dylan vs John Argue Live | Moderated & Instigated by Mark

[@mical2great]

Losing 12-0 then even speaking about basketball feels like one of the 7 deadly sins😂😂

[@nijee2045]

12-0 3 times at that but, Dylan should have just admitted he was being annoying on defense in the 5v5 but can still beat him 1on1

[@fdub301]

@@nijee204512-0 3 times in a row is crazy. Damn near unheard of.

[@RagnarLoudpak]

Gotta be some form of Pride 😂

[@Legendofzedia]

Beating someone 12-0 who doesn’t play is different then some who doesn’t play locking you up

[@Jamichael_21]

@@Legendofzedia Dylan literally said he not a hooper

[@xpkresxlost2264]

Keep in mind, John was walking at night to McDonald’s, arguing on the phone discord 😂

[@appleboss9742]

Fr???

[@xpkresxlost2264]

@@appleboss9742 yeah , I think Mark or John said it when they first answered the phone

[@Cyphalis]

Bro I didn't know this ts makes it so much funnier

[@africankingjon]

Bruh I remember he called Ben dirty for liking McDonald’s, John is crazy

[@ntbored7727]

@@africankingjon lmaooo HE DID

[@Quick--]

Mark saying "don't bring me into this" while bringing himself into this

[@t.thompson8985]

Classic.

[@DJBSillyTheGreek1]

Why he the reigning defending instigator champion 😂😂😂😂

[@iceek1778]

That’s how you make sure that nobody is gonna get mad at u when you start to insigate.

[@SueTainsh]

Dudes hilarious

[@B7andon]

John playing mind games with Dylan is funny 😂

[@MatthewCJoy]

John playing mind games with himself.

[@hachelyd_i3232]

@E r i c Thompson what valid points? John got people helping him, it’s common sense. 1v1s are easy if you’re actually competent. 5v5 for john is a crutch, he’s trash.

[@y2jayden]

@@MatthewCJoyYou rly gonna let him talk to you like that? 🤷‍♂️ personally I wouldn’t let another man tell me if I graduated or not

[@pizzatime8917]

​@@y2jaydendamn, he didn't even sweat what Loki was saying. Matt said he's not even pressed without responding. Crazy

[@DitkoBit-in3lh]

@Loki4real14 You gotta be a moron if you actually think you made any sense lil bro 😭

[@jloading_]

@6:42 “John never hit a shot, as matter of fact Ion think john even touched the ball”😭😭 How you arguing with tony snell Dylan.

[@26zz]

nigga arguing with 4th quarter ben simmons 😭😭😭

[@fdub301]

Cause he Bruce Bowen

[@lethimcook_69]

​@@fdub301 big john got that 🔒

[@RdcFansLive]

😂😂😂

[@iamjshep3]

😂😂😂

[@MightiestDisciple]

Both had very solid points, felt like an ace attorney trial

[@DatBoiKobe1600]

it was the same thing john saying he can lock dylan up but he cant lock him up on 1v1 SO IT IS HELP DEFENSE stopping dylan think for a second

[@skressedout]

OBJECTION!!

[@MrBonzeMedal]

They were having two different arguments. John and RDC were simply saying that when running 5’s Dyl is getting locked up and it wasn’t just help defense. Dylan just didn’t like hearing that from John and kept arguing cause getting an L from someone sorry like John does hurt lol.

[@cry385]

@@MrBonzeMedal facts

[@Viqtor]

@@MrBonzeMedal they know its the help defense but why say that when they can get clips out of this argument lmao aint no way someone dominating in 1v1 but cant score on them in 5v5, its probably the other 4 niggas on the court doing somethin 😂😂

[@Breanna_monique]

John’s level of self-awareness is hilarious 😂😂

[@jojowilliams8965]

Dylan is sorry in 5s and John is sorry in 1s. That's basically it 😂

[@justinjones143]

simple

[@yungestNcharge1]

dylan was good “ well decent” in the rdc vs amp i think he scored twice

[@afrothunder1082]

@@yungestNcharge1 they all looked trash vs amp😂

[@dopeburgerubboubetterbacou4516]

5s 1v1 is different than 1v1 cause their people taking up space

[@dopeburgerubboubetterbacou4516]

You don't have the whole court plus you have the option to iso and kick

[@alsosprachzarathustra4756]

“I’ll do it to you Dylan.” I don’t think John was talking about Basketball anymore, he was about to smoke his ass.

[@ohhhh]

Ong 😂

[@buddharocks492]

Orochimaru

[@caeluse]

W pfp

[@dankestranch8738]

That’s so messed up lol idk why John is in RDC

[@DominiqueEugene-m7k]

⁠@@dankestranch8738 You new to RDC? They been friends with John since like 2015-2016. He handles Dreamcon events & they all bros, just messing with each other, lol

[@ohhhh]

Nah im with dyl on this one. If john cant lock him up 1v1 and he claims he's getting no help then somethings not adding up. The main two differences between 1's and 5's is teammates and spacing. If john is locking Dylan up alone as he claims then he should be able to do that 1v1. What i think is happening is Dylan can't plan his plays well. He doesn't know how to get to a position to score because theres people all over the court and he can't space well. If thats the case then he can 100% get pass john easily he just has nowhere to go AFTER the fact and john is thinking "Damn im really locking him up he looks lost"

[@raymondharris3788]

Perfect summary here

[@Error-ox3fe]

​@@chariotgangEDO that makes sense

[@Yumemaru.]

@@chariotgangEDO But they said Dyl gets past him, so he's not locking him up.

[@Yumemaru.]

@@chariotgangEDO They literally agreed multiple times that Dyl gets past John but can't land his shots.

[@ohhhh]

@@chariotgangEDO if he's not locking him up 1v1 then he's not really locking him up on his own. It's because other people are around on the court that he's "locking him up". Dylan can get past John whenever.

[@shasmith502]

Dylan is right but Johjn likes being obtuse because Dyl can't avoid the bait lmaooo

[@MrBonzeMedal]

I don’t even think John being obtuse lol. Everybody in RDC was saying Dyl was getting locked down and it wasn’t all help defense. I just think if Dyl don’t get a straight line drive to the rim he folds and John smart enough to take advantage

[@angel1202003]

w troll i love it 😭😭

[@jashaunowens2907]

​@@MrBonzeMedal they said it is help defense just not all the time

[@shasmith502]

@@MrBonzeMedal w analysis

[@Slayer8957]

Mark said John fouls 50% of the time lol. What kind of lockup defend is that in 5v5?

[@jcsjay]

I get what they both saying. 1 v 1 defense is different from 5 v 5. Dylan is saying John is not the problem. It’s the other 🥷 on the court. They might not be helping but they still in the way. I’m assuming that in the 1v1 all of Dylan’s points came form simple blow-bys and John couldn’t keep up. 5 v 5 gives you a lot less space to work with. Sounds like it’s more Dylan being a one dimensional player than John doing anything to stop him other than fouling 😂😂😂

[@rojetx8204]

The others said that they weren't helping Dylan he was just sorry. But he can beat John in 1v1.

[@sosmooth13]

@@rojetx8204 I’m sorry, but there’s NO way someone isn’t helping at all lol. If John can’t guard him for shit, then there’s no way Dylan isn’t getting that bucket without even some help defense.

[@HHHspeedy]

@@rojetx8204Ion think you understand what he’s saying a 5v5 has 8 other people on the court if Dylan is 24-0 on John 1v1 that means John can’t guard him the group doesn’t even need to help defense the court is filled so it’s less space

[@ohhhh]

This is exactly my thought. Dylan just can't space well. He can get through John easily but he doesn't know where to go after the fact so John is able to keep up. John thinks it's him locking Dylan up when really Dylan is bad at finding positions to score.

[@jcsjay]

@@HHHspeedy exactly.

[@rickjazzyroll]

This is the most ghetto ace attorney video ever 😆

[@fdub301]

Facts lol

[@meikoluvv]

LOL

[@zayjamel]

LMAO

[@khaliah7754]

I'm waiting for Leland's OBJECTION

[@dxnixble]

Jesus is coming

[@zainy_inc154]

I think im with Dylan on this one. John being petty asf, he trying to take any dub he can. He still funny asf tho 😂

[@trillpillcosby6320]

All Dylan gotta do is run 5 and call iso. Score 12-0 on Jon.

[@denden51]

yessssssss the big dyl

[@reeeeeeee-e2g]

​@TrillPill Cosby yeah but these guys are not hoopers though. If my man is ben or something, I'm not gonna go out all the way to the 3 point line. I'm gonna stay in the paint.

[@piplonf8591]

Bro really tried to call himself the Dylan stopper dude said his only purpose on the court is to lock down Dylan 😂

[@trillpillcosby6320]

@@reeeeeeee-e2g yea. But Jon admitted to not being able to guard him 1 on 1. So jus run 5s. And turn it into a 1v1.

[@jaealxndr]

This argument was annoying as hell bc its basically just Dylan admitting that he can’t shoot 😂😂😂😂

[@jcsjay]

This. 🤣🤣🤣 it’s basically what I got from it too. Dylan is a one dimensional player. And that one-dimension only works on John 🤣🤣🤣

[@jaealxndr]

@@jcsjay yeah this argument was hilarious but that’s all it is. 1’s don’t determine skill truly/fully 😂

[@hachelyd_i3232]

@@jaealxndr 12-0 on 1’s has got to mean something. If Dylan was making layups on John for that 12-0, John is dookie

[@DatBoiKobe1600]

thats now what that means at all johns point is stupid asf

[@fdub301]

@@jcsjayhe was only arguing against John 😂 Dylan know he trash

[@trillpillcosby6320]

Lmao. This how you argue with ya brothers. No blows. Jus calling each other trash 😂😂😂

[@graffiti_soul]

John’s argument, in a nutshell: “I’m better than you when I have help” 🤣

[@_moegreen5770]

I like how Mark said “dont put me in this” …. Then proceeds to start an argument with Ipi 😂😂 natural instigator

[@kingkt8400]

Dyl is def right. You can’t say you can lock a nigga down and not be able to do it 1v1. That means for whatever reason he needs the other four people to have a chance. And also 12-0 is crazy 😂😂

[@cnohrnospkno]

Nah, 1 v 1 is a totally different game from 5 v 5. Spacing, ability to get open for a pass, ability to look for/to pass, needing to consider the other players. That doesn't exist in 1 v 1. It is true that you have to consider other players in 5 v 5 but that can be separate from help defense.

[@WakeMade]

​@@cnohrnospkno you basically saying the same thing but excusing it with their two different games lol it's both bball bruh, if you can clamp someone in 5v5 you can do it one v one you still have the equal opportunity regardless of having teammates just different circumstances but 5v5 for example, you have to read where the pass going 1v1 you have to read where your opponent is going same shit!💯 5v5 you gotta worry about picks 1v1 you gotta play less aggressive to avoid blow bys same level of defense! Dylan right even if you don't have help defense the offensive player has more to think about because he has to expect that help defense is possible, if he blows past John, and say mark is there after that's a new opponent not John locking him down 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@WakeMade]

Btw good defense and lock down defense are two different levels

[@latreal3882]

@@cnohrnospkno That's not Dylan's point though. He's arguing that it's crazy to call yourself a lockdown defender when you can't guard the person 1v1.

[@kamikon8498]

If I lock u up 1v1 but can’t score it’s still 12-0 John literally said he is a offensive liability

[@TheElementAce]

Chat spamming “2 Point Patel” i’m dead 😂

[@RdcFansLive]

😂😂😂

[@TH-zy1nb]

Right, wrong, indifferent...12-0 is crazy 😂😂 That's enough for me not to bring up this argument if I was John lol

[@FortNwasShindi]

Aye, at least he agrees he is sorry.

[@TensuKawakab]

@@FortNwasShindi He's using the fact that he's sorry to bring Dylan down to his level. Which is pretty weak mainly because they call each other brothers.

[@Kokoism]

@@TensuKawakab it’s not weak at all because it’s not that serious buddy. You just trying to create something out of nothing like a drama Queen

[@theboldone1961]

Bruh, if you lose 12-0 1v1 don't say a word. Doesn't matter about team games, you're still sorry John 🏀.

[@eternallyg]

U sound like Dylan John literally called himself sorry that’s not the argument literally Dylan’s own teammates said he gets clamped and it’s NOT cuz of help. And the fact John lost 12-0 is what makes it even worse how u beat him 12-0 but can’t score him on 5v5. And they all guard each other like Desmond said so the argument don’t even make sense obviously some players are better at 1v1 than others John literally admitted to being a role player 💀

[@Sreal-uo1ly]

Damn 12-0 is a sorry 1v1

[@SRFAA]

I do get John's logic. His tactics rely on the 5v5 environment. He's not claiming that he is better than Dylan in a 1v1 environment or that he's better than Dylan at all. It's just that in a team environment his tactics are enough to stop Dylan.

[@Rigogarsan]

It all gets blown out the water by Dylan’s argument tho. John claims that Dylan can’t score because of what John does. But John also claims that it has nothing to do with the other 4 players, that it’s John who locks up Dylan, not his team. If that’s the case then he should not be getting 12-0’d by Dylan in 1s😂

[@SRFAA]

@@Rigogarsan Not necessarily. Dylan doing worse in 4v4 doesn't automatically mean it's because of the other 3. 1v1 Dylan only has to worry about John, but in a 4v4 he has to worry about 4 people. They don't have to actively do anything to him.

[@aj3706]

@@Rigogarsan john claimed that he can't shoot. So no matter how good his defense is, Dylan will get a 12-0 regardless

[@damarionthomas701]

​@@Rigogarsanbut 1v1 and 5v5 are two different games and let's also add the factor that multiple people multiple times said it wasn't help d everytime and he should be giving john buckets which is a fact

[@teddy.g.coastmusic]

Basically Dylan is just scared of the other ppl but not scared of John 😂

[@joedaniel3067]

Their inability to tell John how trash he is is mind blowing to me lol 😂

[@christiane1680]

I think he knows he's trash though so they don't have to😂

[@taintedexcalibur]

because he's already aware 💀

[@sGzBugz]

whats the point of telling someone that admits theyre trash that theyre trash lol John is just trolling Dylan his ability doesnt matter in this thats why its funny. its like if LeBron was arguing with a bench player that gets no minutes. Dyl getting super trolled

[@statixfall8799]

what's there to say when he admitted it countless times

[@angel1202003]

@@sGzBugz no way you used lebron as dylan’s comparison in this argument lol. more like jr smith vs lamelo ball lmfao

[@christianndukwe8994]

I don’t think the 1v1 argument works, because to win 1v1 you have to be a better SHOOTER and DEFENDER. John is only arguing that his defense is better than Dylan’s offense.

[@mynamewalter5082]

John wrong and it’s simple. You either lock someone down or you don’t. If he can’t lock him down in a 1v1 then the legit ONLY difference in a 5v5 is the team aspect. And he’s trying to take credit for all of it. The issue is that John be taking credit like he’s locking him down but for some reason he says he can only do it during 5’s….but says he don’t need the help of teammates. Make that make sense. In 5’s the court shrinks and the teammates just standing there limits a player from doing things. It’s not John by himself locking him downn

[@gameboisam]

Couldn’t have said it any better. By John’s logic he should be locking up Dylan in 1v1s as well but he got outscored 12-0 🤨.

[@EnochEyimDanquah]

1v1 and 5v5 are not the same thing. 1v1 is pure athleticism and skill 5v5 is also iq. you can guide them to areas of the court and there’s less space to operate on offense

[@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy]

Majority of them already agreed with John. PpI who were there already admitted it.

[@mynamewalter5082]

@@EnochEyimDanquah that’s exactly the point. Johns talking as though he’s locking him up by himself when in reality 5v5 has a lot of different factors to it

[@mynamewalter5082]

@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy yeah because they don’t realize that Johns teammates standing on the court is helping John. If johns guarding me and I see 2 or 3 of his teammates on one side it’ll obviously limit where I want to go or what I want to do. I go through the same thing as Dylan. Some dudes who couldn’t hold me by themselves have a way easier time when I can’t drive just knowing they’ll stuff me in the paint

[@lovleen]

Dylan logic making sense ngl

[@andrayday8064]

No it doesn't. John literally said 5v5 not 1v1. Everyone said they didn't do help defense so what he's talking about is dylan can't score in smaller spacing so less area to guard and in turn John locks him up.

[@CarlosRamirez-dq3cp]

@@andrayday80641v1 proves he’s better than him. John has it easier defending someone who is smaller than him in a 5v5. Where the space of the court is even smaller for dribbling. 1v1 Dylan has more space to move around and get around John. John saying he locking Dylan down when there’s more people on the court that can help be a presence of defense on the court. Taking up spaces. In the end John sorry AF for not putting up points on someone smaller than him in a 1v1.

[@ItsShaggy3]

@@andrayday8064 So John is saying I can stop you when I get help from other players? John should keep his sorry ass shut when he got smoked 12-0 in 1v1. He can't just say "I lock you up" when he loses 12-0 in a 1v1.

[@ShadowKryzis]

Mark: "So what happened between you two during basketball?" Also Mark: "Don't put me in this"

[@pivotgang555]

They both right to an extent they just arguing to argue😭 imo 5v5 really shows who's really a hooper. 1v1 just shows how u rank with that opponent, that's all

[@SmallWRLDS]

Real hooper talk 💯

[@Turnerlb3]

It sounds like there is less space for Dylan to drive in a 5v5, so even if John's teammates aren't really helping, Dylan is still having an issue with their presence in the lane, but in 1v1's he just has to get by John once in space.

[@yungestNcharge1]

dylan was good “ well decent” in the rdc vs amp i think he scored twice

[@damarionthomas701]

"Presence" isn't help d so that's null and void he should be giving john buckets.

[@yungestNcharge1]

@@damarionthomas701 it kinda is tho, in a 1v1 if dylan simply. blows past john and 12-0 then john is not a problem

[@damarionthomas701]

@@yungestNcharge1 but a 1v1 and 5v5 are 2 different games entirely, plus if the others are saying there isn't help defense all the time, then why isn't he giving him buckets? Sorry John already admitted in a 1v1 he would lose plus he doesn't hoop at all compared to the others who usually do.💀

[@ren_lightfoot]

So John is basically Kuroko, he can't actually score on his own - he needs his team to be effective with his tactics. lol

[@CallMeKinfolk]

1v1 Dylan won’t have any teammates to pass to if John force him to pick up his dribble. So if John can lock him up 5v5 it should be a cake walk 1v1. John isn’t good at offense. So he knows if he gets the rebound he won’t know how to score against Dylan 1v1. That’s why he prefers 5v5.

[@HHHspeedy]

All the people that hoop ya know exactly what type of hooper John is Ik he gotta be hacking crazy it’s always the non hoopers that swear they got the craziest defense 😭

[@mzwethu3805]

okay but **ALL** of rdc said dylan gets locked down. It wasn't just John. They even had to bring in ippy

[@ok-4726]

Dylan's argument should have been something like "ANYONE is locking me up in 5v5. You aren't special."

[@kylaphilippe580]

All John is saying is that he is good at defense in a 5v5. Of course Dylan would blow him out in 1v1 as they already established that he is not a scorer or good at ball handling. If you are on a team, everyone does not have to be main scorers.

[@242okil]

The chat said “2pt Patel”😭😭😭😭

[@PattyPhantom]

We gotta see this live 😂 this might be better than the finals

[@nextin_dabuilding2908]

What's wrong with the Finals?

[@PattyPhantom]

@@nextin_dabuilding2908 nothing. Just feel this would be more entertaining 😂 plus I’m a golden state fan so kinda fell off trying to keep up. I wanna see these guys ball. The Dylan x John beef is hilarious would be a bonus seeing them play ball and beef at the same time

[@jayjack333]

@@nextin_dabuilding2908 everything

[@FakemeraldLove]

I'm with Dylan and L teammates. To lock someone down with no help means you should be able to do 1v1, the only difference with 5v5 is you get help and usually if help comes the right basketball move is to pass to the open man.

[@Yovu_]

“Four pretty cold niggas and John” is OD 😂

[@therioncoston7424]

Everybody is repeating John side of the story and Dylan is just grasping at straws. Lol

[@therealmccoy6631]

I see what John means, in a 1v1 Dylan would have the entire court to use so that he can get around John but in a 5v5 Dylan doesn’t have that freedom and is more likely to have drive right past John instead of going around. Doesn’t necessarily mean that John is receiving help but the pressure that others bring doesn’t allow for Dylan to wash him. Also everyone else was basically sayin that while John sometimes received helped there were also times where Dylan just couldn’t score on him.

[@MrBonzeMedal]

It’s insane that everyone saying Dyl is right but the people in RDC who were actually watching them play are saying that John was locking him up and it wasn’t just Help Defense.

[@SmallWRLDS]

@@MrBonzeMedalthese niggas boneheads bro its not surprising especially how them niggas were acting last night

[@yungestNcharge1]

dylan was good “ well decent” in the rdc vs amp i think he scored twice

[@hachelyd_i3232]

@@MrBonzeMedal bro, you ever thought they were prolly instigating for views and clicks? You ever thought of that? The ones that were really bamboozled were the viewers and Dylan.

[@totaldan99]

@@hachelyd_i3232 They trash on him constantly in irl and on the game I doubt they would play him up for something like this

[@AKATSUKIROBES]

John is a whole character 😂

[@darkkz7897]

john be convincing them like the crooked man

[@SkelloWellow]

I think it's more of a Spacing issue which is why Dylan was struggling in THAT 5's, I don't think spacing should be automatically categorized as "help defense" dylan being swift would be able to easily win in a 1v1 situation since he has more space to play.

[@TheDrock08]

John taking credit for help defense is crazy

[@andrayday8064]

Dumbass they said they gave him no help on defense.

[@Sonicfan998]

So I figured it out, John do be locking Dylan up, but John already said he can’t shoot for shit so Dylan would eventually win the 1v1 since he can shoot and John can’t. It’s basically a person that knows how to use a gun vs a person that is scared to hold a gun but good at self defense.

[@leavyonblake4188]

Glad someone else said it! John can't shoot so he can lock Dylan up for a hour and still have Zero points and Dylan would eventually get 1 score to win 1 v 1. It's simple

[@cortiz8726]

that is wrong because if you getting 12 0’d then you got zero defense, he didn’t even defend his defense in the 1v1 argument he agreed dylan just drove passed him easily

[@Sonicfan998]

@@cortiz8726 nobody has perfect defense so eventually Dylan gonna get past him

[@cortiz8726]

@@Sonicfan998 no shit but he didn’t even say i was defending you good sometimes no he flat out said he got smoked

[@totaldan99]

@@cortiz8726 he...cant...shoot?

[@soundmind38]

John was on his head 😂

[@appleboss9742]

Basically John sorry at 1s, Dylan sorry at 5s, and Mark shows us why he's the gold medal champion for Instigating

[@MrBonzeMedal]

John accomplished his mission. He just wanted to annoy Dylan and get him out of rhythm and it worked. If Dyl job is to score and he only got 3 points then he got locked up

[@LilMelvinD239]

I see where John coming from. A 5v5 and a 1v1 are two different games

[@Slayer8957]

Its not different if John is saying he doesnt need help though.

[@LilMelvinD239]

@@Slayer8957 that doesn't change it being two different games

[@Slayer8957]

​@@LilMelvinD239 Its the same way that you cant say you can a shutdown a wideout as a cornerback, but you can only do it with help from safeties and not by yourself. Its just dumb.

[@andrayday8064]

​@@Slayer8957basketball doesn't need help but they do take up space so he can't just go anywhere. John literally admitted to being bad at shooting so no matter the defense he'd still get cooked on the scoreboard. 5v5 you also don't have to worry as much about offense.

[@Yumemaru.]

How is this an argument lol. They established that John can't guard Dylan 1v1, but they're saying he has him in a 5v5 just to instigate lol.

[@RastaSawgg]

Dylan and John beef stem from way back lowkey from the COD days John lowkey holds grudges and don’t like listening to criticism. Now John and Ben beef is on a whole different level 😭💯 like John is Ben L straight up.

[@Coffeewiththegods]

😂😂😂 I always be thinking this but you put it into words. It’s kinda true lol and that be my only problem with Jon is that he has that grudge against Ben and always goes at Ben when my nigga was here first! Lol John is funny though lol

[@MailmanMoe]

That Jon Ben beef is amazing. They stay having me rollin.

[@sosmooth13]

@@Coffeewiththegods yeah, ngl, idk their dynamic so I can’t speak for them. Imo it’s not cool for John to jump on an OG member the way he does. What’s worse is that Ben doesn’t have that wit or veracity snap back at times lol. But it’s ultimately up to them and how they see it.

[@26zz]

@@sosmooth13 i think they be playing it up for the steam too tho

[@m.niggington3229]

Nah Ben just don't be caring fr, bro beat him in that 1 stream and John already known as the sorriest nigga so it really don't matter if he speaks.

[@dustinliu3677]

Jon has a couple of points admitting that he's not a hooper or is better than Dylan, but shouldn't assume correlation equals causation because the fact was proven in a 1v1 setting he can't guard Dylan. Dylan doesn't need to stoop to Jon's level and is letting him win in that aspect. He should bring better proof/facts because Dylan's arguments/points are subjective. He should stick to mutiple things like in a 5v5 setting, spacing on the floor is a thing not just help defense, he is looking around to set others up not just put your head down looking to score for yourself because if you weren't looking around in 5v5 setting you should just play 1v1. Maybe he is getting fouled a lot and isn't calling it and his teammates even see it, but at some point you have to call the foul because let's say it isn't Jon and it's someone else and you don't call foul they will either keep doing it cuz they don't think it's a foul cuz you're not calling it or they are going to foul you harder and that isn't basketball anymore. From a 3rd party looking from the outside not knowing much about basketball it would almost seem even or slightly tilted towards Dylan. But if Dylan just defended himself better, case would be closed. TLDR: Dylan should've won the argument, but doesn't know how cuz Jon is in his head

[@phresh1388]

Lol there is no argument when your own teammates are saying you can’t get past him or score consistently. John is the mismatch that must be taken advantage of and if he’s able to hold his own against him then Dyl is effectively useless

[@dustinliu3677]

​@@phresh1388 well his teammates did say he was getting fouled on some plays but he's not calling it. Idk how much basketball knowledge you have but when someone has a mismatch you give the person the ball and you get out the way and give them space to take advantage of the mismatch for example iso.

[@phresh1388]

@@dustinliu3677 they said it was 50/50 but in my opinion if you’re playing a guy who doesn’t play then you’re gonna get fouled😂, but you can’t be the guy that struggles and then try and fall back on well I didn’t call the fouls.

[@dustinliu3677]

@@phresh1388 like I said before Dylan wasn't defending his position well because all his arguments/rebuttal was subjective. He should've stated the better points in why 5v5 is different from a 1v1. Another thing is Dylan himself said he's not a hopper and Mark said in his perspective both of them are sorry players anyway so they both can't play. So I'm pretty sure even if there's a little contest or no contest he's gunna miss open shots and/or lay ups.

[@KidDaAce]

Its crazy how they’re both right and wrong at the same time. Soon as mark get back this happen mark gold medal is secured for life.

[@angel1202003]

this was hilarious, if john is gonna do one thing it’s troll. and i think he does that better than dylan ngl 🤣

[@shadowarena]

"Instigated by Mark". As it always is.

[@revvolutions]

That's redundant

[@slurnie]

I’m mad I missed this live lmao

[@benjaminlee1966]

Dylan concept makes more sense tbh. Win with ease on 1v1 but when it's 5v5, it's not John pressuring Dylan but John's teammates which causes Dylan unable to score.

[@jomammajoe8570]

it might just be play styles/ experience at the end of the day. with something like soccer, theres many ways to play whether it be 11v11, 7v7 or 5v5. i play soccer all the time and a lot of my skills in say 11v11 would not be transferable to any of the other 2. so i might play worse as a result cause the basis of the game is changed. which could be what’s happening here. very funny argument tho 😂

[@ancientking224]

Nah I love the fact that Dylan keeps bringing up a 1 V 1. Like bro John admits he can't beat you on a one on one, and that everyone says he gets locked up on a 5 V 5. They literally running in circles with this bruh.

[@QuentinW___]

“Are we arguing for 3 points !?” 😂😂😂😂

[@lordkronoz6784]

Lol he frieddd

[@t.thompson8985]

"I don't think anyone in the chat is buying your story Dylan." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@malcolmmcnab9254]

John is honestly unintentionally funny lmfao everytime he try to be funny it's mad cringe but let that man start being honest and real bout some shit it be funny asf fr idk why it's like this 😂😂😂😂

[@bee3467]

Fr

[@11Ky]

yall meat riding dylan rn i get some ngas dont f with john but he was right he never said he was better he said every time they played 5s he locked him up and Dylan's teammates even said john was not getting help it sound like dylan needs hella room to run around john and make points

[@kylesmith405]

27-0

[@11Ky]

@@kylesmith405 wrong number lil bro 2 point dyl 👍🏽

[@dabilaroali1037]

Dyl is prob struggling with spacing in the 5v5 setting. If he just asks an iso and go at John he would prob score considering John can't guard him 1v1. Though it's my assumption considering we have no footage but it's prob correct considering the footage we have of RDC vs AMP. So no John isn't locking Dylan up , Dylan is just not getting buckets on the regular period. If a guy in the NBA averaged 5pts per game, would you say that he got locked up that one night he scored 2pts ? Ofc not , Dylan is just not that guy when it comes to scoring the ball so John trying to get credit when he gets smoked 1v1 is dumb but hilarious.

[@kylesmith405]

@@11Ky okay 26-0

[@11Ky]

@@dabilaroali1037 no the problem is we know there both not good John said he can’t shoot or dribble your going off Dylan 12-0 as if John never touched the ball from what we seen Dylan isn’t that good either just better than john and he said that he said every time they played 5s he only scored 2 and I see what you tried to do with the nba comparison but it made no sense for this because first you would say an nba player got locked up that night if he was averaging 5 then only was able to score 2 the next time they played that person dylan averaged 2 pts on John in a 5v5 with no help whereas he had 12 in a 1v1 so it’s a stupid comparison from what it sounds dylan is faster than John but he needs hella space to score on him

[@YAMAHAZI]

“The proof is in the pudding” -Big Dyl

[@yonkotobirama3809]

John conned himself into RDC but Dylan will be dammed if he lets him con everyone into thinking he’s got big Dyls number😂

[@VaultedandGated]

This is basically just Dylan saying he can’t shoot while John and Mark clown him

[@bornonmany2sdays]

they was arguing for over an hour 😂 i went to sleep and woke up and they still on the same points

[@Servant.of.the.MostHighSWT]

If you lose 12-0 don’t ever talk basketball again matter fact don’t even touch a basketball ever again you sorry 😭😭😭😭

[@kolourfulneco]

“This been going on for 3 years” is crazy 😂

[@bryanxjames1215]

John’s whole argument proves Dylan’s point about it’s the help defense and not John😂

[@mzwethu3805]

bro what. All of RDC said John doesn't always get help defence. What more proof do you need

[@damarionthomas701]

​@@mzwethu3805exactly but they just ignore that part 💀

[@SillyZeek]

@@mzwethu38054 other teammates being there decreases the spacing. So helping out every time doesn’t matter

[@CarlosRamirez-dq3cp]

Ben guarding Dylan and Mark guarding Ippi is funny AF. They playing mismatch the whole time. 😂😂

[@kaydee1485]

Funny how the rest of the crew are saying John can actually lock down Dyl, but somehow Dyl's 'proof's in the pudding' explanation is getting traction😂😂😂. The issue is if John is that bad at basketball he won't make any shots no matter how open he is.

[@Servant.of.the.MostHighSWT]

cuz they biased asf john lost 12-0 he sorry 😭😭😭

[@Mailiebox]

John's strongest W since eenie meenie miney moe and the Leland wave wars

[@crab.78]

Your videos are incredibly good at negating physical pain. I'm not joking, I had terrible stomach pain and pain killers didn't help at all, so I turned on KZbin to put mind somewhere else and stumbled upon this video. It was so efficient that I can only describe the rest of the time before the arrival of the ambulance as "discomfort". It's something about your "flow" of narrative, it's so relaxing. Thank you for this video

[@nana-yaw8117]

100%

[@mustaki7620]

@@nana-yaw8117 that’s a bot

[@intendedexpression6609]

Lol I am on Johns side on this one. Being able to negate the effect of your matchup using help defense is skill. Knowing how to force your guy into the help defense is skill. One on one is different. John isn't quicker than dylan so he can just drive past. But in a game to be truly respected you need to be able to do it not only against your matchup but against the players helping on drives.

[@Grown_B]

But thats not the same as locking someone up... Locking someone up... is You doing it. Theres a difference between good defense and locking someone up And tbh this is just assuming that Johns teammates arent literally just bailing him out

[@intendedexpression6609]

@@Grown_B Thats still lock up. A cell has 4 walls, all of them do their job... if you're playing basketball especially at any decent level skill wise or you're just playing pickup against someone better, you know that eventually they are going to get past you a couple times since defense will always be a reactionary activity of the offensive player. Knowing how to lead a player into negative defensive situations is part of locking that player up.

[@Grown_B]

@Intended Expression Thats not locking up lol.

[@Grown_B]

@Intended Expression Thats team defense. If the other guys don't help... then you got scored on.. thats not 1 person locking up the other. So it makes no sense to frame it that way lol.

[@intendedexpression6609]

@@Grown_B locking up isn't a linear definition only used for 1 on 1 defense. Its just about shutting down a scorer regardless of what method you use. It isn't exclusively dependent on the 1 on 1 matchup.

[@Galactic123]

How is John so sorry at everything these guys do. Basketball, COD, Mario Kart, every fucking game they play he is sorry. Is that just his thing?

[@oldmanjesus9855]

Maybe he is good at math, Also John is a great communicator, in fact he is the most articulate RDC member.

[@Servant.of.the.MostHighSWT]

He just sorry lol

[@Fly_Libra18]

John's rebuttal game ain't never been this crazy lol

[@trinibwoy27]

Yo John is quickly becoming one of my favorite RDCWORLD1 Members. He is Funny AF 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@samsara2521]

Right didn’t even realize till I watched the live videos

[@GMasterWill]

I never knew Handle God was getting tenaciously worked by John on the court like that...

[@yohanasfaw5563]

I am always here to support John. Please be back on the stream more : ) You mad funny!!! This was funny as shit! Lock him up 🤣🤣

[@krizzyiii8197]

I just know John lying 🤣12-0 3 times ?! That’s wild 😭

[@siuchaos2606]

I love John's gaslightling lmaoooo, he's garbage at basketball he even admits it, but somehow he's heating Dylan and everyone else up as if he's the one who went 12-0 LMAO

[@KingTae24]

I get what John was saying and bringing up the 1v1 12-0 is unfair because John already admitted to not being good at anything on offense so eventually it’ll lead to the game ending in a 12-0 if that make sense

[@Iremanenpeice]

This is some serious Orochimaru ahh genjutsu if Dylan gets blocked during 5s not 1v1 and Dylan breaks out in 1v1. Lmao!!

[@kwopp2463]

I think John is locking Dylan up cause of spacing cause in a 5v5 u have less room to just dribble around

[@ohhhh]

Exactly but that's less of John locking Dylan up and more of Dylan not knowing where to go because it's more cramped on the court.

[@DatBoiKobe1600]

he is not locking him up

[@pheonixrisingx2560]

I thought the same thing.

[@ragingapegames9554]

Johns sorry as hell gets smoked 1v1 then calls him trash thats delusional

[@LukaTim]

Dylan is clearly mostly in the right here

[@justinyapockets]

All John had to say is he’s Dennis Rodman 0 points/ 18 rebounds/ 20 rebounds

[@Augusttt13]

This argument is so dumb how can john lock Dylan up without help in a 5v1 but not in 1v1 it’s obviously help defense and Dylan not having enough space because of there being more defenders

[@ItsShaggy3]

I would be embarrassed to even talk about Hooping, if I got my ass handed to me 12-0 in 1v1. Let alone talk shit like John.

[@wittaq9352]

That argument will never end because of their arguments. They are both agreeing with each other but at the same arguing the agreement lol

[@nicoflight3982]

Instigating Mark king of instigation bankai: Plot Armor, Domain Expansion: Mickey Mouse Wins 😂😂😂😂

[@954Val]

John if u can’t lock someone in a 1on1 u not locking him up in 5v5 has to be help

[@RegReg02]

facts. it's a simple concept. and the nasty part is that they misunderstanding that "help defense" comes from JOHN'S team....it don't come from Dylan's team, so why would Ben and Des have to say "we weren't helping"? i really don't think these guys understand how basketball works lowkey. or maybe im just misinterpreting

[@webemup]

Dylan literally right, John argument invalid asf😂.

[@BluCarnage]

Elaborate

[@wilsona9895]

There’s no way John tryna argue locking up Dylan after losing 12-0 to him

[@BluCarnage]

You not listening

[@magnelloper]

Bro if a nigga 12-0 you, you can not gaurd him in no way shape or form😭. Dylan is right the difference in the 5v5 is help D, it’s clear he don’t have a problem getting past John, it’s just that he doesn’t know how to score on the other defenders helping in, so therefore any logical person can see it’s not John locking him up, it’s Dylan not knowing how to score on help D😂

[@TheCrashClown03]

21 no friends, 1 relationship idk if i would call it toxic, and no money im killing it 💪🏾

[@already8007]

I think im going with John on this one lmaoo, if u can't score 5v5 then it dont matter what u can do in 1v1

[@HimHebowthe3rd]

But if I’m busting u 1v1 but can’t really score in 5s cause the extra ppl n lack of space. U can’t talk shit like you doing sum cause if u was it’d be the same in 1s😂

[@YeahThatsKyle]

“GUYS PLEASE” 💀