RDC Mark vs John Most Heated Argument

[@rob6912]

Mark really does have the super power of finding every single negative chat in the sea of twitch chat

[@mzwethu3805]

i mean when the chat constantly has negative things to say about/to him, you cant really blame him

[@rob6912]

Just found it funny after someone pointed it out in another stream video I seen of them

[@kkoreaxo]

theres never any negative comments that boa b making them shits up 😂😂

[@metaknight7117]

Honestly feels like it’s a revert the attention away from the conversation sort of thing Dude did not need to go on a mini rant with the same energy he had in his conversation with Jon

[@RandomShowerThoughts]

Everytime lmao

[@tokyo_lu3126]

John tryna fight the shinobi alliance 😂😂😂

[@marcuspowell4343]

Lol, John = Madara

[@Nick-zp6wm]

Bro think he Madara💀

[@Sinofaries]

Nah he when he said that affected the entire show he right cuz B4 Naruto became hokage he visited zabuza grave

[@JACQUEZ23]

@@marcuspowell4343 hell no

[@Master_Bait]

John Madara>Jay Pain 😆

[@killawolf88]

I like John cause he believes what he believes and he sticks to his shit... While the group was going at him on back and forth and he stood 10 toes down

[@8989321]

Yeah that's his nindo way to never go back on his word 😂🤣

[@ClERCE]

Even tho he wrong💀

[@darylvondutch6096]

Sticking to a wrong belief is nothing to praise

[@joshjones9749]

Every back and forth he's the back and the rest of rdc is the forth 🤣

[@nazirtv2288]

@@darylvondutch6096 how’s he wrong who honestly cared for asuma💀

[@IAMvonte-2518]

“Your words cut deep, deeper than any blade” is a BAR

[@imArcheRR]

I'll pick up the pieces is colder tho...

[@juanbanda8052]

@@imArcheRR FCK NO ITS NOT

[@juanbanda8052]

I was looking for someone else to say it bro!!! That shit drops the mic for sure

[@juanbanda8052]

Like Gaara said “I was his enemy and yet he cried for me”!!! It was the first time Naruto gave his opinion to the enemy and convince him that his view on what a shinobi is, is wrong ! To me it hits deeper when you know that kakashi father took his own life thinking how Naruto thinks so I can only imagine how kakashi feels this whole time…

[@imArcheRR]

@@juanbanda8052 both are hard but I think I prefer it coz I really like Shikamaru he's such a goat

[@TheNextManimal]

John be pissing ppl off because his entire conversation style is “yeah you’re right but you’re wrong,” lol

[@kingsax01]

Ah, Stephen A. Smith strat.

[@Darkdirewulf]

I mean Mark literally said that his opinion was a fact lol.

[@alsosprachzarathustra4756]

Not really, Johns whole thing is that he’ll straight up tell what he thinks is an opinion, meanwhile mark acts like everything he says is a fact and you’re not allowed to have an opinion that goes against it.

[@Ahmed-og2jm]

@@alsosprachzarathustra4756 facts lol

[@juanbanda8052]

John just didn’t know how articulate his words honestly lol but he was right on this one. Mark tripping

[@jovan1064]

It seems like Mark and John were having two separate conversations simultaneously. John is arguing impact from more of a narrative perspective, while Mark is arguing impact from more of a thematic perspective.

[@MightiestDisciple]

facts

[@somuchbttrdenu759]

If the argument is impactful to the narrative than John is absolutely right, but if it’s impactful to the heart, then it’s gotta be Jaraiyas death

[@kamistower]

Exactly

[@Lonewulf321]

These niggas just yelling lmao

[@kevinmorganjr2423]

Usually how most arguments are, when feelings are involved logic and listening usually leaves

[@Tre_Notes]

Asuma’s death was impactful for THAT MOMENT!! Zabuza’s death laid the foundation of the fucking show/franchise and especially NARUTO’S CORE CHARACTER!!! He learned how to have respect for the enemy and forgive. This is part of the reason why Naruto tries to talk to all his enemies. Even the ones he can’t forgive.

[@mee091000]

That's one of the reasons when Zabuza/Haku came back and fought Kakashi again. Kakashi saying "Naruto has grown into a splendid Shinobi" means so much.

[@keenanwilliams3298]

I wouldn’t say that laid the core foundation for Naruto character

[@owen548]

i didn’t really care that he died but you’re correct

[@moodyjunior867]

@@keenanwilliams3298 naw it built his ninja way which is his core character feature

[@keenanwilliams3298]

@@moodyjunior867 Naruto already had his foundation of never give up from iruka’s teachings at the academy.

[@BioShokka]

Got me dead when mark had the audacity to say you have no argument all you doing is yelling when that’s all he does lmao

[@nn4mz]

Yeah that’s all he does

[@Omo21000]

Mark childish 💀

[@zyaired1849]

Cap nigga yell logic and fact

[@stuckwchuck]

😂😂😂

[@junespeaks9217]

John arguing what was more impactful for character development mark arguing what was impactful to the viewer. This why you gotta know what the conversation about 😂😂😂😂

[@juanbanda8052]

I would say the zabuza scene was still more impactful to the viewer if you re watch it !! Haku is just like Naruto ! Naruto could have turned out like Haku had he ran into an evil person like zabuza instead of running into somone like iruka sensi. It was the first time he convinced the enemy that their view is wrong ! Also one of the first times Naruto shows it’s ok to cry for your enemy!! Also when you realize Kakashi father took his own life for having views like Naruto did and obito did before the rock fell on him the whole scene was really deep more than I think they intended.

[@junespeaks9217]

@@juanbanda8052 I agrée and John did the zabuza scene no justice but what they were arguing is what was more impactful completely not impactful to the main character and that’s what John had confused. Asumas death , the slow shogi playing when he’s usually quick , the silence while trying to be consoled , then the break down!? everything was relatable to real life a deep message you take everywhere . It was for sure more tear jerking than zabuzas scence . Not saying zabuza scene wasn’t brazy to.

[@juanbanda8052]

@@junespeaks9217 shikamaru definitely had a more real life feel to it on how to handle a loss. But I think that’s because we can relate to that more so than the zabuza scene. Not everyone is an orphan searching for belonging but everyone has definitely felt a loss before

[@Champlo0oo]

@@juanbanda8052 I also agree, but I do not think Zabuza was evil at all, he was a hired killer who was trying to the best for his own village. His arc showed that the world of Naruto is a moral grey area which is brilliant writing, just depending on whose side you were born too. Zabuza's arc showed the absolute cruelties of war and how two forces that are against each other do no necessarily mean one side is good or bad, but the losing side will always be portrayed as the bad guy. Naruto and co were fortunate to be born in the circumstances that they were, because had their teacher been weaker, they literally would've died with him as Haku did his Sensei. This synopsis literally paints parallelism between the two worlds and how, at the end of the day each of these sides have more in common than one would originally think. Zabuza dying absolutely was more impactful because it shaped the theme of Naruto overall, that just because you think you are working with the perceived good guys, doesn't necessarily mean there isn't more to the story. The story comes back full circle at the end because it gives Naruto and the viewer early that there is a deeper subtext behind the war and helps us to (whether we agree with it or not) understand Sasuke's journey of betrayal to the leaf village and ultimately his redemption.

[@JACQUEZ23]

@@juanbanda8052 disagree wasn't that impact to md

[@antonioking4937]

The chat said “Asuma did all that smoking just to end up in a pack” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@t2j0h09]

I remember this stream. It was toxic as hell, but John gained my respect. He don't back down no matter how loud the other person talks, or if they gang up on him. He's going to stick to his feelings. No kiss ass attitude from him. I like that. 👍🏾

[@Peli_Reviews]

john is right. mark has an opinion about how it affects a side character. John is talking about a moment that affected the main charcter for the rest of the show.

[@_MrLee]

Yeah... It's like this... John on some intellectual ish while Mark on his Ignorant ish...

[@Tre_Notes]

John just sucks at explaining but he’s 100000000% right. Mark gets ignorant for the sake of being ignorant because he can. That’s it.

[@tommymatt5]

Yeaaaah buddy, you’re wrong. Naruto is the protagonist but they’re all main characters 😭💀 a side character would be someone like Zabuza or Pain.

[@final2k565]

L

[@keenanwilliams3298]

Nawl John point kept changing

[@malgrizz]

John is right. That Zabuza arc is how Naruto found his ninja way and how the ninja world moved

[@final2k565]

that’s not what we’re arguing we’re arguing what’s a better scene y’all all keep moving the goal podt

[@yoboyfredo]

@@final2k565 the main reason for the debate was which scene was more impactful, not necessarily better. No one is moving the goal posts.

[@itzhoncho9180]

@@final2k565 the argument wasn’t weather the zabuza scene was better they was jus arguing over johns opinion mark didint like that that scene was johns favorite💀

[@hachelyd_i3232]

@@final2k565Zabuza scene still better than Shika scene😂😂😂

[@edwinsolis5710]

I stand with John. The Zabuza scene set the standard for EVERY villain in Naruto setting foward, while also giving Naruto his value to stray away from a traditional “Shinobi” Madara, Nagato/Pein, Obito, Sasuke, Gaara, and fucking ITACHI all owe their impact on Zabuza’s moment. That regardless of how cold, arrogant and unfeeling you try to act, the “villain” is still a human that cares. Madara cared for his brother. Nagato cared for Yahiko. Obito cared for Rin. Gaara cared for his Mom & Siblings. Itachi cared for Sasuke. And Sasuke truly did care for Naruto. It wasn’t an excuse for their actions. But rather it was a validation of their humanity. Asuma died and it was sad. Obito lost hope when he saw Rin. But Zabuza? He made both Naruto and US understand that you can never stop being human. That even the worst people can’t simply “not care.” And it made Naruto create his moral code in difiance of the “ideal shinobi” that Kakashi, Sakura and Zabuza talked about.

[@alexl2301]

This is the answer right there. No need to read further comments

[@tommybeats9241]

as a scene itself heck nah bruh that shikamaru scene is peak anime

[@Alienatorproductions]

Exactly

[@dare2333]

Rewatch that shikamaru scene lil bro

[@bubbugum]

@@dare2333 Still not sure whether they’re talking about the impact on the story or the impact on the character. Because if its the impact on the character, Its definitely Shikamaru’s. Naruto’s is easily Jiraya’s. But if talking about overall impact to everything, Zabuza’s takes the cake. Talk no jutsu was crafted because of that scene lol

[@StettyT]

Mark one of those who think his word is law and getting the loudest outweighs a valid POV John was speaking facts

[@mynameise.x]

No 🧢 fam you sound like one of them meat munchers at the end of the video.

[@beastmode3799]

Facts

[@Tre_Notes]

Preach! John sucks at getting his point across but that don’t mean he was wrong. Not at all. Mark delusional as hell sometimes.

[@Allbutcher]

Facts like I fucks with Mark but bruh be doing too much sometimes

[@juicegodjay]

Exactly and the chat and some rdc are some bandwagon ass mfs…they act like Mark word is law

[@nicoflight3982]

This right here is known as a "nigga moment"

[@No-vb2ww]

lol

[@hokage-mv3td]

There arguing about anime just because their black don’t make every argument a nigga moment💀

[@HyperDragonX]

Yeah pretty much

[@WakeNBake92]

John threw a straight jab & said "y'all crazy for liking Naruto but can't name 10 characters" & everybody's like OOooh😭

[@mynamewalter5082]

Mark really trying say all John does is yell? The irony lmao

[@CultureKuma]

I'm not finna lie, I kinda feel John's argument. After zabuza and haku died, and Naruto hit the "They were enemies, but ya know, I kinda liked em!" And then Kakashi smiled and hit the "I feel the same." *Shit had me in tears.*

[@victorialovesyou]

No you weren’t

[@vanillamilk7575]

@@victorialovesyou it was impactful but ain’t no way u was in tears.

[@victorialovesyou]

@@vanillamilk7575 yeah people get on my nerves with that “I was crying” crap 😂

[@vlopez078]

@@victorialovesyou that’s some next level dumb to think people react the same way you do emotionally

[@skrappyv6330]

@@victorialovesyou u ain’t cry when jiraya died?

[@Taijuu1]

john is right, that zabuza scene is peak, the devil of the mist showing he has a humane side too after talking about shinobi just being tools of destruction and crying for a kid he raised and ultimately caused his death because of how he brought him up, up until the end of naruto that lesson stuck with him naruto wouldn’t be who he is if he never met zabuza and haku

[@turtletanya5175]

Personally Zabuza arc was peak Naruto for me. It was violent and hand signs and it sucks they went off track. They should kept going in that fashion. Instead making people planetary.

[@JACQUEZ23]

Disagree

[@IIIISai]

whole rdc besides john be bots sometimes

[@Taijuu1]

@@JACQUEZ23 and that’s fine lol

[@JACQUEZ23]

@@Taijuu1 yup

[@alsosprachzarathustra4756]

I mean let’s be real, if Mark can bring up the Shogi scene with Shikamarus dad when he was talking about Asumas death then why can’t John bring up Naruto thinking he lost sasuke? That was connected to what Haku stated “being a ninja” meant, which also motivated him throughout the series. And that “Pick up the pieces.” Scene was good, but it was also filler, which is why it’s never expanded upon.

[@alsosprachzarathustra4756]

And to say Zabuza Arc didn’t affect Naruto going forward is WILD. Kakashi himself said that Zabuza gave Naruto his creed, you know the whole “I’ll never give up.” Thing that he started saying RIGHT after that arc? Yeah, where do you think it came from?

[@SWRDFSH3850]

Facts

[@stormz2392]

@@alsosprachzarathustra4756 On top of all of that naruto returns to their graves before he becomes hokage

[@TensuKawakab]

This 100%. I usually don't agree with John but he's absolutely right in this case. And Mark was trying to invalidate the fact that Naruto thought Sasuke died at that time.

[@grabbingrain2238]

This is all correct but that scene was better that was the original point but it got to impactful. It was team 7 first real mission but asuma dying as shikamaru sensei and sarutobi son to the akatsui and find out Kurenai is pregnant

[@hollandc147]

Mark: “You’re losing your ones, you’re yelling.” Me: Mark has been yelling the whole time.

[@Lilbill349]

John is 100% correct about the impact of zabuza arc on the entire series. This is the first time that naruto has experienced what it truly meant to be shinobi and the cruelty of it. Experiences like those is what made naruto want to carry on Jiriya's goal

[@dhrvaysmith1757]

Hell nah

[@macdonaldnnadi]

@@dhrvaysmith1757you don’t know ball. Naruto changed from that moment and forged so many of Naruto’s morals and key ideas.

[@dandylawe8875]

I agree with John, asuma most important part is him dying unfortunately. Naruto the main character had a big moment one of his first lessons/experiences introducing him to the ninja world also one of his first talk no jutsu moments. Zabuza and haku in those few episodes left a bigger Impression than Asuma and the fact that its even comparable says it all

[@shaunclutch9062]

They originally was saying which scenes better . And shikamaru crying was a better scenes Simple . Not who more impactful

[@Taytexas]

Shika is still more impactful because that scene was pivitol in shikas role to bring naruto back from depression after he found out jiraiya died

[@maskedlegend4660]

I agree

[@DamOneMan]

There won't be a Rasenshuriken without Asuma teaching Naruto how to use wind chakra

[@JayceCH.]

8 completely forgot about Asuma until they brought it up. I still remember Zabuza.

[@mp6640]

The fact that you can cry or weep for your enemies is a powerful and touching moment. I get John’s and Mark’s point but I definitely give it to John because that was probably the first time Naruto ever witnessed death and this moment is what molded Naruto to be who he is.

[@StettyT]

They be tryna bully John out of his opinion

[@xSpadeTV]

No cap fr tho, he mad at chat fa everybody else tryna argue marks point, when Mark the one yelling not tryna validate John's argument. And everybody else agreeing with Mark and Johns point not getting across. I just commented how Mark be yelling and not tryna validate nobody else argument like he right all the time, Just cause "he the leader", and just cause he "the leader" they gone agree with and let him argue his side of the story, and like Mark, not hear or validate John's argument or opinion, IN MY OPINION, there should be no leader, the leader should be off camera.

[@Tre_Notes]

On god bro. This one of them videos that got me reading and replying to every comment cuz I swear everybody but John was tripping hard as fuck. It made me mad John wasn’t able to really explain his point in the same way I can. Made me wish I was there just to shut them niggas up. Lmao

[@Maxjuliann]

@@xSpadeTV there are times where others challenge marks opinion so I don’t agree that because he’s the leader he is “ always “ right but I think when it’s about this specific moment in naruto most of RDC feels similar to mark . Zabuza moment was S tier to all of them I’m sure but maybe john didn’t connect with the shikamaru the way everyone else did

[@ItsNothingRichy]

@@xSpadeTV wtf typa dweeb take is this? Mark isn't the leader, he's just the most iconic. everyone in the group does their own thing, yall getting wayyyyyy too comfortable putting labels on ppl that u dont know.

[@jaelonwillis2336]

@@ItsNothingRichy It cuz Mark is the only one who doesnt get checked for saying dumb stuff. Even when they do argue with him, they always concede once he starts gettin loud (accept john). Hes able to successfully bully everyone out of their opinion while being completely wrong and ignorant, and thats why people see him as the leader. Because anytime theres an argument, Mark wins even if hes wrong, and it feeds into the idea that hes the leader. Ppl get mad at rdc fans for saying marks the leader but thats basically how he portrays himself. Once i saw DESMOND get silenced in a game of gang beasts after mark started yelling, it all made sense. I love mark but he is seriously ignorant asl. At this point I dont even think the other members are scared, they just known mark longer than john and know its pointless to argue with somebody who refuses to be wrong and will start yellin. And he just doesnt undertand the concept of opinion

[@dennistfossettjr]

John might be spitting on the zabuza take

[@somuchbttrdenu759]

Yeah I agree, he was definitely onto something explaining the entire scene, and if you included Naruto going berserk over Sasuke’s death, I 1000% agree it’s a better scene but Mark was already heated and everyone else in the group automatically agrees with Mark

[@juanbanda8052]

@@somuchbttrdenu759 facts

[@juanbanda8052]

@@somuchbttrdenu759 first time using 9 tails chakra, first time using talk no justsu… first time Naruto seen another person and related to them in the sense Haku just wanted to be accepted by anyone just like Naruto did.

[@somuchbttrdenu759]

@@juanbanda8052 Exactly, those moments are incredibly pivotal to the show and hell I’d argue Jaraiyas death was more impactful than Asumas. Like seriously Asuma appeared maybe 2-3 times in the entire show before then and Mark got on John for bringing up Sasukes fake out death and how Naruto reacted but turns around and brings up Shikamarus reaction with his dad. And I can still make the argument that Shikamarus reaction was still not as impactful as Naruto’s reaction to Sasukes fake out death and honestly the way Zabuza went out after Hakus death was incredible. I gotta agree with John and if he was able to make his point without everyone yelling at him and dickriding Mark, he could have convinced more people.

[@JACQUEZ23]

Nah

[@tedevelynmosby6944]

I kinda feel where John coming from like I watch Naruto not the shikamaru show , and I didn’t care about asuma until he died like let’s be real he was cool in the games but yeah naruto talking mad to zabuza was a better moment for me

[@MMSMariiLive]

Oh you dumb ash if you think Naruto talking shit to zabuza is a better scene than asuma death scene for shikamaru just cuz he is a side character doesn’t mean he can’t get his moment and that’s what makes it 10x special cuz not all anime let side characters get their own arc especially a guy like shikamaru that never showed emotion and we seen that he never did all of OG Naruto and seasons of shippuden compared to first 15 episode of naruto like it really shouldn’t even be a comparison just cuz it’s a side character and not the main character shouldn’t Dictate your choice

[@IAMvonte-2518]

@@MMSMariiLive It’s all opinion tbh bro

[@FAT-MARV]

I’ve respected John every since he stood up for Minato in the debate vs Itachi. I was appalled they were treating Minato so criminally.

[@loadingless3406]

I can’t believe this argument was even debated. John forsure was in the right. Not even close.

[@wynstonreeves7945]

Hell nah

[@fadedgloryyy4186]

Lol the last 30 secs, was when Mark broke up with his Ex, and John was Trolling him by singing break up songs😂😂

[@jax269]

The Zabuza death scene changed the whole tone of the show, so if you saying which one was more impactful to the show then it’s Zabuza

[@fadedgloryyy4186]

Lol this the “John Energy Drink” Stream😂😂

[@vinland5454]

rest of rdc needs to chill out on John, they always be against him in arguments

[@mahniwave]

i remember the original argument and it was which scene was more important to the anime and if that is still the case in the video then john is right considering the fact it sparked talk no jutsu but which scene is more emotional then of course shikamaru losing his sensei is more of a heartbreak but as i noticed mark likes to move the goal post for his arguments lmaoooo

[@IIIISai]

goal post true, but na homie shikamaru scene overated as hell not gonna lie

[@yasujirosanctum8883]

If this is true, then I'd have to agree with John and petition for him to get his Naruto Card back. I'll admit I agreed for the Asuma scene at first, but with all the good points and hindsight, Zabuza may just be the better scene overall. OG Naruto wins again over Shippuden.

[@JACQUEZ23]

Damn Mark was on the chat ass 😂

[@LeesoPskiii]

cause they was somewhat telling the truth. 😂

[@mikecolejr44]

John is actually right.

[@SupremeUchiha]

I luv when Mark goes at the chat, cuz the chat be mad toxic.

[@DLo776]

You act like mark ain’t toxic himself lmao

[@BioShokka]

True chat matches marks energy lol

[@beastmode3799]

Mark always on some bs

[@theoneandonly06]

Just look at this comment section, I don’t blame him at all.

[@ReaIities]

@@theoneandonly06 Fax. They all talked about it on stream like a couple days ago.

[@winnumber101]

you been putting in some work lately my boy

[@BJhulk97]

Real friends argue, lol

[@dmoneydmo]

You can tell that everybody do be following what Mark say, John is clearly right.

[@bobbybob9015]

Mark you wanna hear a fucking bar? "You're words cut deep, deeper than any blade." 😭

[@thedarthmal]

I love these guys, but the Zabuza scene was amazing, and I don't think there was another moment that did the same for me in terms of emotion. I think it's the fact that Naruto was only a child experiencing something like that for the first time. The whole thing was just super heartbreaking for everyone involved not just Ina-Shika-Cho when Asuma died. I'll never forget when Naruto was screaming at Zabuza about Haku while Zabuza (the villain btw!) just stood there quietly until he couldn't take it anymore. "Your words cut deeper than any blade"...gets me in my feels every time! no other moment in the series did that for me.

[@IIIISai]

bro the shikamaru moment overated af, had nothing on the zabuza scene

[@MonkeyDBoomE]

Mark is wrong as hell quite often. But he's so boisterous and the squad gives him so much reverence that it often doesn't get called out the way that it should.

[@IIIISai]

yea mob mentality, and its sad because its within the same team attacking one member, imagine having an ignorant leader and then you genuinely try blindly defending him, dylan and Leland were so cringe in this clip, I relate to john cuz that's what happens to me with my older brother and his friends, what I learned was just keep my thoughts to myself, can't argue with a wall, and even if you are surrounded by them, it doesn't make you any less right

[@erwinsmith3870]

@@IIIISai bro don't deep it like that. It's just certain people are really fun to argue with it's not malicious I'm sure u bro isn't trying to put u down. Also maybe address it with him cus feelings like that fester and can become resentment

[@IIIISai]

@@erwinsmith3870 I appreciate your message, and actually your right it was hidden resentment from childhood, i told him, he can't really admit fault or being wrong, probably worse than mark but for now he brought his trusted friends, we all had a serious discussion, and I'll see what happens, ima do my own thing, im not the typa guy to dwell on the past, if he becomes more open minded like he claimed he would, then we'll see

[@itsdevon1098]

@@IIIISai did u not hear in this video where hates when mfs talk about the other members agree with him only because hes leader and he also said that john had good points

[@sphee]

​@@IIIISai niggas like u and the guy who made the original comment are the reason desmond said " i cant agree with mark no more on stream"

[@turtletanya5175]

John argues to annoy people and it’s great.

[@bamapride31599]

I'd argue that in the long run the zabuza and haku scene has more impact. Because it develops young naruto and help shapes his world view. Which i would consider more important because the show is about naruto and we follow him around on his journey thus by extension because of what he learned early on from zabuza then actively shapes his character which leads him to the decisions he make later on throughout the show. However I will say if you just going scene for scene I would say Asuma has more emotional attachment.

[@Hamzethegoat]

Y’all the only niggas keeping Naruto relevant the series been dead for years Boruto ass and John right the Zabuza scene is a 1,000x better then the Shikamaru scene

[@TheMaroo24]

I love how mark switched up whenever someone said everyone agreed with him because he's the leader

[@lunarm4]

I feel like John was right. He just sucks at explaining himself. Its hust hard for him to do so when the rest of them keeps jumping in. He trying to get his 1v1. thts all. Both moments were very impactful, but Mark's scene only impacts a side character, John's scene impacts the main characters and the show moving forward. Dude has a valid point.

[@Maruchode]

So “your words cut deeper then any blade” NOT A BAR?!?!?

[@OffTopicKamah]

John made some valid points… the Death of Zabuset the tone for Naruto where there aren’t many strictly evil characters. They all have layers of their character that shows how they ended up in their current position. Also it taught team 7 what it actually means to be a ninja and what happens when you let the life succumb you… With all that being said Asuma dying hit harder because it was characters we already we’re accustomed to but it’s not as far off as mark is making it seem

[@RedRag684]

Mark Argued with the chat because he lost the argument with Jon lmao.

[@clazzo]

For real, if Mark just sat down and thought about, what did Asuma do before that arc that made us care about him fr?

[@itzwanimereacts]

Lol remember after this clip John played with Mark's breakup situation and got pressed😂🤦🏿‍♂

[@bubdavis4113]

it’s john vs the world out here

[@mustaki7620]

😂😂

[@digitalobilvi0n246]

"And I'll pick the pieces up."😭😭

[@blacc_rain8124]

Mark is one of those people who scream and yell and say the same thing over and over without letting you speak in order to win the argument. There's no point in trying to argue with people like that.

[@b4ljxsh]

i’m saying 😂😂😂. if you get 2 actual debates in here, they’d be able to make this an equal match but mark is just better at arguing than john

[@blacc_rain8124]

@@b4ljxsh Mark is overtaking and yelling. John is trying to speak normal and he is using volume control.

[@mystic2689]

John actually has a great point. Zabuza and Haku is the main reason why he found his ninja way (to never give up) lol Kakashi even let them know that when he faced them at war. Zabuza and Haku was definitely impactful

[@DarthVix501]

The ending ahhaha bro that clip is a classics JOHN W 😂😂😂💀💀💀💀

[@UncleForHire]

Mark angry cause it's true, lmao they can argue 24/7 but you know Mark has that ego where he gonna tell you funny roast are fine but don't humiliate him live or he gonna end you.

[@gelatogremlin]

EXACTLY

[@fullsoul5850]

Mark shut them chat trolls DOWNNN🤣🤣💯

[@LVC85costa]

Johnz's not lying. After that they broke their own rules and dumped those hand signs almost completely. Made it a little dragonballee.

[@NLMBxG3]

John is entitled to his own opinion niggas he never said that Zabuza scene was better just more impactful to him

[@jaelonwillis2336]

John is horrible at explaining things but hes right. Mark is ignorant asf, he thinks bein loud makes him right. Dont get me wrong, I love mark, but it seems like nobody ever has the balls to stand up to him and have an opinion of their own EXCEPT john, and thas why i reapect him. The rest of the group just smiles and nods, then they wonder why people always call mark the leader. Either theyre scared of mark or just known him longer than john and realize theres no point of going back and forth with someone so ignorant. Mark will argue horrible points just for the sake of not being wrong, and never gets called out unless its john. Thas why john and mark argue the most, he doesnt just take the ignorance.

[@thatdude5983]

Lately the other members been sticking up for themselves. Guess John inspired them or sum 😂 you right tho

[@SayonaraNoodles]

Aw hell no if you watch the streams and backnforth for the past year, you'll see all of them especially Dylan legit retort Mark heavy. Mark deadass gave up arguing with Dylan about the Gorilla and black mamba after 30 minutes, also the date of death or cause of death thing. Feel like you just hatin Mark for being loud ong. All of them shittalk each other, they're literally best friends

[@jaelonwillis2336]

@@SayonaraNoodles Naw u def right ab dylan, he be goin on mark when they play gangbeasts💀 I dont even dislike mark, I criticize people I like all the time, hes easily top 3 funniest in the group dont get me wrong. Im not hatin on Mark, but I just notice when ever they have an opinion based argument, Mark will just act like what hes saying is fact and shut anybody else down before they can even explain themselves. And it doesnt help that john is horrible at articulating an argument even if its good. And then they wanna get on stream and complain ab people saying Mark is the “Leader” every like 6 streams. I dont agree but damn if they dont want that stigma they needa start stickin up for themselves, especially ben and desmond. Des will either go mute after like 2 minutes of having a shouting match or go into dimentia des mode. Like bro defend urself💀

[@thatdude5983]

@@SayonaraNoodles Exactly. Thats what I just said lmao. Dylan is good now at times. Leland is still not likely. Des/Ben are absolutely scary tho

[@ReaIities]

@@thatdude5983 Yall gotta realize Mark is a talker and he's naturally loud. Just cause someone isn't arguing doesn't mean they're scared and they're always shit talking each other on stream but yall focus on Mark since he's the loudest.

[@Tre_Notes]

Mark don’t do nothin but curse and over talk ppl. I gotta agree with John. That zabuza arc is where we start to see the foundation of Naruto and Sasukes brotherhood/rivalry. As well as having respect for your enemy even after a kill or be killed death match. An unspoken mutual respect for one another. There’s a reason why Zabuza is so beloved in the community. And he ain’t even a side character but yet he had major impact on the show and the characters involved. Mark is trying to compare all of that to some heart to heart between Shikamaru and his dad while he grieves for his sensei. Basic shit you see I an anime. Shit we just saw in My Hero with Endeavor but My Hero did it better. And as far as the Obito scene of him witnessing Rin dying, that’s typical anime shit too. Witness a loved one die or get hurt and boom, there goes a new ability or a new power up or both.

[@TheDrock08]

“I’ll pick the pieces up” that is a bar, mark said something with that for real

[@kristopherwillis8075]

This Naruto vs. Pain rematch is funny🍿😂

[@1rrare]

Zabuza was lonely, depressingly and all he had was the sword and eventually even that betrayed him and took the ONLY person he cared about and as a swordsman he fought to the end. If u feel that shit then you feel it.

[@mdwesquire]

Shikamaru is a main member of the cast? Cap!

[@futureparadise.2089]

Wym cap? He literally is 😂 not the “main main” member like Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke but he’s definitely a main member overall

[@MrDJR1288]

Nah John is right. Asuma is cool and all but he wasn’t relevant until he died, but zabuza definitely hold more weight. That whole arc changed the main character of the show and damn near molded him to the character he is for the rest of the series. Shikamaru crying and seeking revenge for his masters death is anime 101, but shedding tears for your enemy and being exposed to the harsh realities of the world you wanted to be apart of hits different.

[@TheDrock08]

Zabuza and Haku’s death helped create Naruto’s Ninja Way and Resolve. That shit was very impactful on the series as a whole.

[@jisunggoat960]

John singing drake kills me 😂

[@shawnangel8146]

John took an L on this argument lol. But he's ironically correct. The first arc was one of the most important parts of the series. It's literally the thing that gave Naruto his resolve and it's referenced until the war arc.

[@lrysfsto]

They be killing me with these pronounciations 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@AquarianAngel]

John is correct. I don't give a damn about Shikumaru or Asuma. Haku and Zabuza were deeply impactful upon Naruto aka the MAIN character of the show. John earns the W.

[@mistertibbs1105]

The chat called out RDC for siding with Mark. I love RDC but their one flaw in my eyes is that they all seem to gravitate towards Marks point of view or reactions. Or like they cave anytime mark yells at them or calls them out. Mark got mad at chat because it was some what true.

[@ReaIities]

Or maybe he got mad because that's all people say whenever someone agrees with him? "Mark got mad at chat because it was some what true." is literally just u speculating. They argue all the time on and off cam and they literally talked about these type of comments a couple days ago.

[@mistertibbs1105]

@@ReaIities naw. If a bunch of ppl Dee this way. Then the perception is real.

[@ReaIities]

@@mistertibbs1105 Nah yall just take homies talkin to each other way too serious.

[@gelatogremlin]

@@ReaIities it can be a bunch of homies talking to each other and still be that, its not abnormal for niggas have friends groups like that, mfs is not perfect but it is something that is pointed out. U can talk about off cam but niggas have literally seen these niggas go back and forth for like 5+ years , from their on-cam patterens these niggas dickride mark sometimes.

[@Rossy890]

Mark argument not even valid frfr. But he’s a one piece fan so he easily gets attached to characters nobody give af asuma. A good writer can make you cry over a ducking ship that you never cared about don’t mean it’s more impactful cause tears dropped. Niggas asked when did we see shikamaru cry John told him”NIGGA THATS VALID REASON TO CRY” 😂🤣🤣 they need back and forth on stream where they can get facts and not just biased vague information lol and niggas was definitely meat eating mark they ain’t even say johns point was valid until mark said it😂😂😂

[@goofydonnn9332]

“And I’ll Pick The Pieces Up” Issa Bar Fr Fr 😭

[@kevinsanchez7035]

13:03 is crazy I ain’t even gonna lie lmfao 😂 Mans mark went from arguing with John to the chat then back to John mans mark wild🤣

[@yanewstepdad1355]

I rarely agree with John 🤣 but he wasn’t wrong.

[@micahsimpson8357]

When Zabuza Put The Kunai In His Mouth In Went Crazy Thats Undefeated 😅

[@micahsimpson8357]

& Gaara Story Is The Saddest

[@GodzMercenary]

Damn that vanguard in the background 😔 time flies

[@masonmyles5213]

That twitch chat is toxic af 😂

[@sanban6766]

They don’t go outside thats why

[@KeepRockKin]

They drawing kids too there fan base soo.. most of em is a kid audience so understandable

[@nobodyexceptme7794]

Ay these niggas gotta stay solid forever bruh, the minute Leland said the argument been going on all day told me all I need to know. They been holding each other down for the longest.

[@ruedrew3710]

Zabuza is the catalyst for Naruto’s development as a character. I don’t think that his take is bad

[@imvellyy]

11:45 John eating and nobody had nothing to say to that 😂

[@calgolden1378]

Mark was spittin near the end.. the chat was being dumb over that "mark is the leader" shit

[@Just.Kayla21]

The love that Shikamaru dad showed him in that scene was monumental to me.

[@kingkumite9829]

Mark is the only guy to get mad over another person opinion 😀😀

[@williamwhite1036]

I would be if the other person's opinion was dumb

[@rarerelent]

Nahh zabuza saying “your words cut like a knife, kid.” Was bars

[@Datguyeezy]

John Lowkey right

[@jmove7647]

This turned into a back and forth

[@whozackyproduction5819]

Not gone lie I understand why the chat said that about them to mark because if u watch back and forth u notice they say something, mark would say the opposite and they switch up and won't defend they choice. Only two people defend they self in the house when they have a different view on something, that's Dylan and John, Dylan may change his might but u have to prove him wrong before he do I respect that while John hold his ground no matter how wrong he seem and he do be wrong 😂😂😂 everyone else switch up real quick its crazy idk that they know they doing it is what crazy 😂😂😂

[@gelatogremlin]

EXACTLY everyone talking about ohh u dont know them off camera like we haven't been seeing these mfs LITEARLLY go back and forth for years niggas sees the patterns and dynamics mfs go for in debating and 50% this nigga mark be winning by mob mentality

[@Pnb_daniel]

John really must put fear in dem other niggas

[@nbbvgoop]

Naruto was is and will always be better than shippuden

[@marcuspowell4343]

Mark up lifting his squad. He started RDC, but RDC is all of dem.

[@13thNobodyprod.]

Lol Mark is Yusuke Fr🤣🤣

[@IAMvonte-2518]

Thumbnail got me chuckling already

[@Biggucci97]

I hate John more than half of the time. But he is the only one who don’t care when mark get mad he stand on his shit.

[@Iseenew.]

Really think about it who really thought about zabuza after he died. And everyone was thinking about asuma