The Ultimate deviantART Iceberg Explained Part 2

[@humbleheathen69]

I noticed Izzy.

[@VioletRaynSimms]

I thought this was an izzy video at first

[@aclown9127]

@@VioletRaynSimms same i was reading this while the ad at the beginning played then hearing “yo” from the guy was such a expirence 😭

[@Thehobo490]

Izzy is amazing

[@sonicmaster206]

@@Thehobo490 no

[@lupascipher2903]

​@@sonicmaster206 yes

[@felsiccanis]

I'm so glad you called Tori what he is. An animal abuser. Too many people gloss over zoophilia and don't treat it like the disgusting immoral crime that it is.

[@Account_Not_Applicable]

*"Bonus entry: HOMESTUCK"* Because it would be absolutely unfair to mention the popularity of Hetalia without mentioning Homestuck in the same breath. We were two sides of the same coin, with overlaps of cringe so deep it makes one's jaw hurt. We went together like Faygo and Pasta. We were enemies, friends, and everything in between.

[@endskyII]

Not sure if this spread off Tumblr, but the fandoms were linked to the level that people made gijinkas (humanizations) of them and shipped the fandoms themselves. People also drew Himaruya and Hussie together, despite them never having any connection to each other. Shit was wild.

[@mariawhite7337]

Everything I have learned about Homestuck has been against my will.

[@mattyhatty_72]

hetalia fans homestuck fans voltron fans and supernatural fans are all from the same family tree i swear

[@Account_Not_Applicable]

@@mattyhatty_72 and that tree is almost exclusively made up of neurodivergents (Edit: I say as someone who is neurodivergent myself)

[@DanialTarki]

My favorite thing about Homestuck is the variety of blood colors. Unfortunately, that’s what the internet tends to widely associate a variety of blood colors with, rather than **MORTAL KOMBAT!** **Techno Syndrome Intensifies**

[@sonichamburgerspecial692]

Actually i was put into a "bad art" blog once. And it completely shattered my self esteem. It made me afraid to post because i thought if i showcased my art i would be put into these blogs again. Thankfully, these blogs have died out though and im an adult now and i have more confidence to post my pieces. However, im not sure if other artists healed the same way i did. Plus there's no such thing as bad art, everyone starts somewhere.

[@j.2512]

rhe right attitude would have been to improve your art rather than expect bad critiques to disappear.

[@kaitlin9288]

​@@j.2512There's a difference between good faith critique of one's art style and technique, and bad faith "point and laugh" bad art blogs. One is to help people improve and the other is an excuse to take cheap shots at people they think are "easy targets". I would hope you could discern which one is which.

[@Bree333888]

I was too!! And i was just a little kid so it hurt my feelings so bad :c

[@Inkyink]

To follow up on the FNAF stuff, Scott Cawthon officially and publicly cut ties with LadyFiszi following the exposure of the fanfic and various other things. She is no longer involved as an artist for FNAF in an official capacity

[@kieravermeal9127]

Funnily enough, it was a DeviantArt ask blog featuring Dark Toon Link in a domestic AU that got me into drawing more, and what eventually led to me attending art school to work in the film industry.

[@rga1605]

A Mary Sue might be forgiven because it might be a product of innocence and lack of experience, but an Anti-Sue has potential to be much worse, because it's usually a product of malice

[@ri0tgh0ooul89]

An unfortunate update on Spoctor Theory: A discord call was leaked that showed his friends confronting him on owning a flashdrive of CP. Spoctor explained how he would request nudes from other discord users and store them on said-flashdrive. While he was also a minor when collecting these images, he admitted to "keeping it on a shelf forgot for years until throwing it away, a couple years ago." Issue is that he waited until he was over the age of 18, to do so. A lot of people are dubious in the idea that he, an admitted porn addict, left a flashdrive of his ex's (and other's) nudes on it -- supposedly 'untouched,' despite the intimate nature of said photos and how it was just sitting on his desk... still supposedly untouched, for years. While it is doubtful he is explicitly into CP, he did produce, maintain, own, and potentially dispersed nudes of minors. At the very least, he has an admitted issue of comprehending consequences, reality on a virtual spectrum, and obtaining personalized NSFW images - both from art & or real people. TL;DR: Spoctor kept a flashdrive full of nudes from past a past online partner (and speculatively, friends & coerced fans) who was a minor, thus falling under the category of CP; while also being a minor (supposedly) when obtaining it, he kept a flashdrive of said-nudes into adulthood -- only recently tossing it out, allegedly.

[@cumbrap]

Tori was fixated on me for like three months or something. I don't remember much of what he said since he sent me so many messages but I do remember just responding calling him a D-F'er and that would make him pretty mad.

[@caveirainvocada9438]

The passionate acting in the Sonic 4 part checks out, we ARE this intense about the fast hedgehog sometimes

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

lmao yep

[@explodingegg123]

can confirm. I also get quite intense about the blue blur

[@Valorant_minty]

Fun fact! My DA account was featured on Deviant Cringe’s channel! I wasn’t the subject, rather he highlighted my comments on a situation involving a kid who traced my art. That’s about all I got to say

[@LuvieDraws]

and one of my old friends too :O

[@gircakes2]

That sounds like one of the good endings.

[@omarmatouq3855]

Tori is the type of guy would force a soup of rusty nails and blood down someone who gave fair and constructive criticism on his favorite part of divientart. The lengths he will go and the madness he did is truly astonishing.

[@kjullthedemon]

I found your channel, while binging Iceberg videos on my boring ass night shift, the last few days. I finished your entire Creepypasta iceberg, and I think I've hit gold. I really enjoy your humor and your reading style, and the aesthetic you're going for. I hope you keep up this hobby of yours, you're really good at it.

[@YouW00t]

You got it right in the head with the Mary Sue thing, while the archetype itself is not completely horrible and could, in fact, be used to make interesting stories, more often than not they tend to be a symptom of amateur writing syndrome. They're not the cause but a byproduct.

[@j.2512]

all lgbt characters, females and black people in current media are mary sues and they all suck

[@cpt.hatemonger1950]

'Amateur writing syndrome'? What the fuck is that?

[@oranjaglad8648]

Honestly that Tori guy legit made me question about what I was hearing about him here was real. But sadly, he is.

[@GloomyFish]

oh god the "x grab my y" meme was my deviantart hell for a while. I made one atvthe height of the meme's popularity and put basically no effort into it. It ended up being my most faved thing in my gallery and every time it got a fave or a comment saying it was hilarious, I would just... go on a text tirade in the deviation's description? Which just made people want to fave it even more. I was reluctant to delete it because literally nothing else I'd drawn at the time was anywhere near as popular as this stupid meme. I think it sat for over a year before I finally deleted it

[@cattytheartcat]

I was a pretty regular viewer of DACringe back in the late 2010s, and I think one of the reasons why he rebranded was due to a hacking incident where a troll hacked into all of his accounts (also why his character changed too). Not sure if true but I remember watching a video he made about it, and I (being a dumb middle teen) spoke up about it on DA

[@cattytheartcat]

NEVERMIND YOU COVERED THAT LMAO but man FUCK Tori what the fuck

[@Wrenchy247]

Wow... the Tori the Wolfy shit REALLY escalated... I don't think I'll ever forget about that information for a LONG LONG TIME

[@skylarsworld9477]

How do i keep finding you everywhere? I just saw you on twitter like 5 minutes ago

[@Benny-Arts]

I love how people considered bases as art theft, when the base makers gave people PERMISSION to use them… like ??? People just wanna get mad about anything (DA was so toxic towards teens and new artists back in like 2012)

[@GothMermaidGamer]

I love how with Mpreg, everyone always asks "How are they gonna give birth?" like they suddenly forgot that C-sections exist

[@revet_up]

Adoptables popped up on Gaia online at the same time, so it hard to tell which did it first. As far as your assement of it being younger people, oh boy. I’ve seen many go for $100’s of dollars. Most people I know that sell and buy them are adults. I saw one going for $600 the other day.

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

Interesting

[@beauxbatten]

the past about a baby from Nick could kill her is also true for humans. my mom couldn't give birth to any of her children naturally and the last one almost killed her, even with it being a c section. shit wild

[@flyingmintbunny1286]

I noticed hetalia and had ptsd flashbacks, can't wait

[@tidemistory3299]

Oh man pkrussel I'm honestly glad to grow out of Art CC. Full of drama and hypocrisy. It's wild

[@ZorotheGallade]

I had this video in the background, when I heard "Inflation" I felt the blood chill in my veins and a sense of dread and hopelessness come over me. SO IT BEGINS

[@maryleethefox8642]

I dated a guy that had an inflation fetish, it's even worse to experience someone with the fetish.

[@CreativaArtly]

Love Izzzyzzz. Also yes, may Qinni continue to rest in peace. Also Ponder is Queen and we love her. Also Spoctor’s been thru hell and yeah, enough said on that because none of it was deserved. Also kinda miss DA Cringe not gonna lie. His stuff was fun! Also Ronnie is still very missed. May he too continue to rest in peace.

[@peepysprite]

she's sus as fuck the second you actually listen to her vids or look at her sources. like in the spoc videos saying it's cool for a 17yo and 13yo to have sexual convos because she has sexual convos w her underage friends...?! when she was like 26?!?! the fuck?! and citing a website that specifically says not to use someone's brain development to excuse their behavior because it stunts their accountability, while using spoctor's brain development to excuse his behavior. also really scummily conflating legality with morality, medical use with colloquial use, and a court of law vs the court of public opinion to weasel around and manipulate her audience. + the entire dg vid was made to spite someone she didnt like and she intentionally lied about the timeline to make dg look better to make that other person look worse

[@missgalaxia14]

The fucking WHIPLASH those Zootopia comics gave me… holy shit!

[@guialv461]

An interesting topic that can be discussed in the next parts, if it's not already on the iceberg, is TwoKinds, the webcomic created by Markiplier's brother. He's been on DA since the beginning too, and if I remember correctly, he ran into a problem involving a guy tormenting him, trying to canonize his OC in the comic. It's a long story, but I found a video that explains the whole situation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGGTpHp9q7Odi6c But anyway, I'm loving this Iceberg, there's a lot about DA I never knew. Great job, Dylan.

[@CartoonEric]

Wait! Markiplier has a brother? And he's the creator of that furry comic "Two Kinds"?

[@frogzie_]

Homestuck and Hetalia are like siblings from different mothers

[@DarkProFox]

Funny enough I had purchased a character design way back in 2015 because I needed a companion for my main character in the story I have had since I was 11 and to this day I'm still improving on it. Ever since I fell in love with her design, and even in the story I give a small wink and nod to the creator who sold me her design. I used to have such a terrible Gary Stu main character who was practically a rip off of Sora from Kingdom Hearts 2 but edgier and "cooler". But now I've grown from this and changed so much since. We learn as we grow older and mature with things we enjoy. :)

[@iswallowplasticfigurines394]

dylan explaining homestuck is something i never knew i needed

[@arianna180.]

I see Hetalia on the thumbnail, instant like. (Would have liked it nonetheless tbh aha, love your vids man!)

[@estelar0067]

The craziest part about the whole ladyfizi situation is that with how much controversy she got in you would think they would keep her because of her good art but like it’s really ugly her art is ugly

[@Pipinghotitea]

you started talking about inflation, and for some reason i thought you were going to explain the state of the economy 😭😭😭😭😭

[@g5studio21]

Oh you sweet summer child/hj

[@scatmanjohnfan22]

i hate to be the bearer for bad news but there actually have been attempts to recreate vore in real life, but not with people. (tw for animal abuse) i remember watching a video that went through a rabbit hole of "snake pet owners" who would abuse their pet snakes for sexual pleasure by feeding them live animals and often the snake's orifices would be infected, and they would share it to youtube being branded as "cool animal videos"

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

Well... That's terrible. I sadly stand corrected.

[@gircakes2]

There was a guy who admitted to shoving live pet fish up his ass, and there are people who swallow live mice and small fish. It's disturbingly not just limited to live feeding animals to other animals. Pet stores need to do some more due diligence or something.

[@MaiMaijin]

I met my fiance (7 years since then) in DeviantArt and I'll never know how to feel about it 😭

[@asapling]

I remember watching DeviantArtcringe's exposing videos on tracers and artstealers

[@r0tten.b0y]

As I've gotten older, I have a huge soft spot for Mary Sues and Anti Sues. Its just something about them that are just inherently endearing mostly because I love scene/emo culture.

[@SuperMenaceArchives]

If I’m not part of the Tori the Wolfie story then it is incomplete. I’m the whole reason that arc happened.

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

You are indeed there! lol

[@SuperMenaceArchives]

@@DylantheKnightOwl Yippee!

[@spinestealer8129]

No joke I think the idea of having fetish art requiring a mandatory mature filter on it is a good idea and I can’t see any logical reason as to why people would oppose it. Children on deviant art don’t need to be exposed to people’s weird sexual kinks. Gross.

[@veggsbacon1891]

"Sonic 4 is a piece of garbage." Right on, Owl. It's also one of the starts of a decade of terrible writing and deconstruction of the characters. Colors is now considered mid (soundtrack still slaps) thanks to more people finally admitting the lows and the dreaded "remaster." Generations and Mania are the only good sonic games from that era. Sorry for that little rant, but I really need to say that as we finally got decent writing in a sonic game for once.

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

100% agreed lol

[@almakrowan]

Adoptables are absolutely not "not an adults thing". There are artists who earn thousands of dollars every time they open a design sale. If I remember correctly there was a whole ass drama with the most expensive adoptable ever selling for $20.5 THOUSANDS

[@izumiuchiha9215]

I remember seeing a Mary Sue oc with the Bakugan fandom Allie she’s has vampire powers,her eyes changed colour for no reason,has a dark side and is infamously know as being portrayed as being perfect in every way shape or form good at everything didn’t have to try.every story was her being the main character and the main characters was pushed to the side her creator bashed Mira for no reason for the fact ace likes her and her character is shipped with him.

[@kojismiles]

25:50 i feel like people can make memes with this where they have a mom with a big belly from being pregnant and then inside her belly is supposedly the baby living in a huge mansion 💀

[@ahouseofpomegranates4338]

someone really read about kronos swallowing his children whole and was like wow. i want that to happen to me

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

Lol

[@Midcall]

Quick update but since you uploaded this video, Spoctor got exposed for pedophilac behavior once again, but this time it's pretty much confirmed. The allegations are that when Spoctor was 16, he received nudes from a 13 year old and kept them on a flash drive up until after his 18th birthday. Spoctor himself confirms this in a call between two friends that was shown in LioConvoy's video. (I would link the video here, but this is the second time I'm typing this because KZbin deleted it the first time around. The call is in LioConvoy's newest video at 1:00:30.)

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

I actually did see this, I'll wait for all the details to play out but I will most likely be updating that section of the video when I do the supercut of the whole Iceberg. I'm subbed to Lio so I knew about this, but thank you for sharing the info anyway.

[@j.2512]

that is pretty tarded. Gasping at straws

[@Midcall]

@@j.2512 Eh. I will say I do regret calling the behavior "pedophilac" when once he realized he had CP at 18, he got rid of it, which is the opposite of what a pedophile would do I imagine. But the issue still lies in the fact that Spoctor had nudes of a 13 year old and kept them on a flash drive for two years, and in the call if I'm not mistaken he says he had the flash drive just lying around. No one should call him a pedophile over this, but it is definitely still something to criticize him for.

[@skylarsworld9477]

@@j.2512 Dylan did that though. In this video. Watch it again

[@Chikitew]

Your story about the dA forum members jumping on your case over a harmless opinion is giving me flashbacks, good lord 😭 people on dA acted so out of pocket and harsh towards others for the most random things. I was 13/14 as well when I made a comment on someone’s stamp because they hated anime & what I said was probably something like ‘why are you this dedicated to hating it’ and people got on me about it, lmfao.

[@garbagelord4374]

Hardest boss I’ve ever thought? Easily the first goomba from SMB. *Shudders* I still get nightmares about it from time to time.

[@elijahvasquez6603]

Another great video Dylan keep it up! Also could you start putting more gameplay in the background of your videos? Seeing Dark Souls at the end put a smile on my face

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

For sure! lol

[@aspen1713]

I’m a bit surprised how short the Adoptables section was! I’m not sure if they’re as common now, but back in my DA heyday they were big money, especially on the furry / animal OC side of things. I spent sooo much of my high school job earnings on adopts from my favourite artists. I can’t believe Closed & Open Species like Sushidogs and Cinnadogs(? Or whatever those anthro food-themed dogs were called). Like there were multiple $1,000+ adopt auctions going on back then, it was a wild time.

[@oziku1816]

I was super into that side of DA as well and really liked to make them myself. I wish there was more on it in the iceberg.

[@rat_in_a_bucket]

I remember seeing inflation everywhere when I was younger. I remember my brother getting obsessed with it, but I was never interested. Aaand now he has an inflation fetish 💀

[@Lelmao33]

Wonder how izzy is going to tied into this

[@KingFluffs]

Her secret DA from when she was a teen when she had a phase that she believed she was otherkin (I think she mentions it in her Neopets video).

[@ivydinosaur]

I was wondering the same thing! I izzy so fucking much. The channel covers great topics and they always have some amazingly unusual makeup/cosplay

[@Lelmao33]

@@ivydinosaur and army of garfield

[@pikapower98]

The perfect time for a night owl video to drop I needed something to listen to during my Friday night drawing session

[@caveirainvocada9438]

Right? I also love drawing to his videos

[@CookieTheFemboy]

Same I also do that

[@frozarburst6350]

That sweet sweet karma about sonic 4 tho

[@tomsenpai922]

You know i never regreted having ears, until i heard the Part about Vore.

[@rho-starmkl4483]

My favorite take on the “Do not steal” meme was a drawing of a donut made of steel.

[@scatmanjohnfan22]

not gonna lie the zootopia comic is like incredibly well drawn

[@hannahdawg6829]

Kyanami is mostly active on Tumblr nowadays, and her pokemon fanart is so soft 😊

[@Mediocritii]

Can you make a Garfield iceberg, I know izzzyzzz did one but there is so much more to be seen

[@pentagrin4157]

Quinni still breaks my heart. Poor dear.

[@changingpeopleslivesmoon2993]

There a reason why it’s called deviant art

[@SonicfanTheNightfury5099]

Hehehehe I used to make those licking icons There still on my page

[@diy_cat9817]

5:04 A literal orphan stranded on a desert planet who has to beg a grumpy old man to train her Sounds a lot like Luke. Also sounds a lot like someone who cant lose because she had nothing to start with. I understand people finding issue Rey's impressive grasp of Saber techniques over a very short time period, but id blame that on the writing having no pace at all. Finn also went from a stormtrooper to fully independent in like, 3 seconds but that never gets brought up. Rey might just have a lot of raw talent, like Anakin did, but due to shit pacing, it looks ridiculous that she was able to beat Kylo, despite his gaping blaster wound.....??? She also got captured. She didnt always win. Rey wasnt written well but I think calling her a mary sue is unfair.

[@b_holsbach1543]

This prolly gonna be the hardest iceberg to watch of this channel when it comes to the lower layers

[@folieadios]

kianamai worked on big city greens, not the owl house or amphibia! a lot of DA users of the mlp flavor also remember her as one of the biggest mlp next gen artists of the time, back when she went by kilala97

[@mikoaj5002]

1:19:18 NOTHING'S CHANGED 😭😭😭

[@Delicate_Disaster42]

I'm really invested in this series! I can't wait for part 3! Even as an artist and DA user, I seriously learned so things I had no I idea about before! +1 sub with notifications! ^^

[@sparkylp9068]

You really don't have enough subs for what fire content you bring

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

Thank you.

[@dustorm5012]

I saw what was on the second part of the iceburg. You won't be prepared for some of the art there.

[@KingFluffs]

55:00 Not really. Illya Kushinov is a well known tracer (he still does it to this day) and everyone sucks upto him, he's landed well paying gigs from it ect. Tracer doesn't work until you're able to spin it or hide it well enough.

[@yureiakari]

Haha is that Izzy on the thumbnail?? Love her

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

Same, she makes great content.

[@leadpencil-223]

The problem with youtubers like "I hate everything" is people like me with autism literally cannot pick up that it's supposed to be a joke. Sometimes even if it's literally stated that it's a joke, I won't always understand. And, on the videos I did understand were a joke just... weren't really that entertaining or funny? It just felt like watching a bitter, angry person be angry to everything and that's not really something I enjoy watching, personally.

[@lucidia333]

The weirdest thing that stuck with me on dA was a webcomic with Shadow x Sonic ship. I kept reading it, i mean i was like 12 or 13 at that time, and i just found it cute. And Sonic literally got mpregged by Shadow and they really did have a child together. And some fetish Art by some dude who illustrated planes, boats etc as some VERY volumputious women

[@Aquilacoatl]

Oh hey! I’m that redditor whose post you quoted while talking about vore! You’re actually the second person to use that post in one of these iceberg videos, which is pretty surprising given how young and ineloquent I was when I made it. (IIRC I was like... 16?) I’m glad you found it at least somewhat helpful, but I would caution you against using it to represent the attitude of every vorarephile out there. Vore is like an inkblot test. Everyone gets something different out of it. That aside, both this video and the preceding part are absolutely fantastic. I practically LIVED on DA when I was younger, so this has been a fun trip down memory lane. I love internet history videos, and I’ll definitely be staying tuned to your channel.

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

That was you? Wow what a small world it is sometimes lol. Well thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed the video.

[@Aquilacoatl]

@@DylantheKnightOwl Definitely! Seeing my comment in one video was already pretty wild, so it absolutely bowled me over to hear the username of that old account. The whole time you were reading my post, I was aggressively cringing at my past self’s inability to explain things in a coherent and nuanced manner.

[@CherriNGT]

That person making Team Rocket art is based because any one making Pokemon evil team fan art is automatically based 😎

[@JulyBaby]

omg I remember listening to Hebedihubble's hetalia song covers! They were honestly really good and I'm kinda side now since she recently deleted them :(

[@johnoconnell5004]

Are there any self-insert mary sue/gary sue ocs from the Transformers and Batman fandoms?

[@bon-jovian]

I put my phone down to do something but immediately ran back to it the moment I heard Hetalia 😂😂 taking me back to middle school by hearing about the fandom again

[@furuyawn]

wondered why hubedihubbe sounded familiar despite me never having been into the fandoms mentioned in her section so i looked her up and got an instant nostalgia blast from her FMA fanart.... 13 year old me was obsessed with her art LMFAO

[@ThePopo543]

Hot take: Adoptables were NFTs before they were cool

[@callieprotector]

@Dylan the Knight Owl You make good stuff keep up the great work.

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

Thank you!

[@redditsbestclips4728]

Yoooo what music is playing at the HomeStuck segment in the background bro? It sounds catchy and familiar but I can’t pinpoint a source

[@Treppy_Gecky]

Dylan you are a trooper managing to read out loud all that obscure vore shit without bursting into laughter holy shit

[@lightdreamer_]

The first zootopia comic actually seems like a very good look at both sides of the argument as none of the two actually is the bad guy. But in the end, there's only one side to this: Your body, your choice. No one should take a decision affecting your entire life for you, even if their semen is inside you.

[@twily4]

I remember my first encounter with vore. Growing up, some cartoons had episodes that I called "in the body" episodes where, intentionally or not, the main characters get shrunk down and go into another character's body for whatever reason (Magic School Bus, Fairy Odd Parents, etc). I remember having to change the channel or look away, because watching them genuinely made me feel sick to my stomach. I started having nightmares about someone swallowing me whole and dying in their stomach, no one knowing what happened to me and the truth never being discovered (or even the other way around, where I accidentally injested someone and they died without me knowing). Even watching a show that showed x-rays freaked me out (think 1000 ways to die) Then, I started using DA, specifically the Legend of Zelda side of it, and finding Minish cap vore art. One character was having a tummy ache because the character inside their intestines had lit a torch so they could see where they were. I slowly realized that there were people out there who saw the same things I did, but instead of being scared or grossed out, they were intrigued and/or aroused. It's crazy what the mind can do to someone whose still developing!

[@mikoaj5002]

I mean that's how horror fans work. Many people like me don't like being scared by movies (tho i like when its just element and not whole basis, also jump scares god i hate them), but there are people who really like them for being well intruged.

[@squidyparty]

the DA community is literally my past , this iceberg is deeply nostalgic & that deeply disturbs me 😭

[@Onemanshowoff]

I remember Rey struggling in a sense that she runs away, isn't sure of her fate and past, and makes harsh judgements. She did overcome these flaws, sure. But is someone a mary sue if they have character arcs they overcome? Are they mary sues if they get over struggles period? This is why Mary Sues are difficult to pinpoint

[@KingFluffs]

Didn't the writer admit they were a Mary Sue though?

[@Onemanshowoff]

​@@KingFluffsI thought a true "mary sue" was one that never intended to be one

[@ca_lcium]

I used to run and follow bad art blogs. I cringe every time I think about it, especially I myself wasn't good at art either.

[@PewPawPows]

55:11 When i was little, i actually hated most gay ships mostly because they weren't canon and especially cuz of mpreg.

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

Happy to see props given to Izzzyzzz. Two of my favorite channels crossing over is always nice to see Btw what’s the creepy music at 57:27?

[@spinestealer8129]

Monty Oum was a very talented and creative individual. I only discovered RWBY after his passing, but the earlier volumes that were written by him have a certain charm and unique quality to them that I believe only Monty could have pulled off. The RWBY series has always had a special place in my heart and has heavily inspired a lot of my own creativity, story writing, and character designs. Although later volumes of the series have their flaws and are heavily criticized by some, I think Monty would be happy to know how far RWBY has come, and that his work has been sort of immortalized in a way. His work has touched and inspired a lot of people, may he rest in peace ❤️🤍🖤💛

[@robbycooper6787]

After reading to many self inserts, my brain took damage and can come up with bad ones when I’m board.

[@pietroopendragon]

Deviantart always gives me reasons to hate people on the internet that should NOT be allowed to speak to anyone.

[@wiwysova]

Just a minor correction, math rock counts AGAINST emo, not for it. As for MCR, that's not really a positive either.

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

Just a minor correction, both of your opinions are wrong.

[@FatalisLOVER]

I'm just curious as to why iceberg OP has so many topics around,,, uh like weird kinks haha o.o

[@fueledbymaple]

Ahhh yes, the Hetalia fandom. I have grown to have a sort of nostalgic fondness for it rather than deep-seated cringe (and cringe culture is dead anyway). The fandom introduced me to a wider community, helping me, a young introverted autistic teen, come out of my shell. It was also me at my most creative and artistically active; like fuck, the amount of art I made from 2010 to 2014 is immeasurable. I have a long-abandoned DA account out there full of pencil drawings of Hetalia characters, (mainly Canada), sitting like the remnants of a forgotten era. I doubt it will ever reach that same peak during the early 2010s, tho that's probably for the best. and before anyone asks, my OTP was PruCan (Prussia/Canada). They're the only pieces of Hetalia merch I still hang onto/seek out (you can take the girl outta the fandom, but you can never truly take the fandom outta the girl...)

[@yuri-sama.questionmark]

Interesting. :D Good to see someone who used to like Hetalia too and I really feel the same way as how nostalgic it is. It really makes me miss the old days. And you have an interesting ship. PruCan is definitely cute and you seem to like Canada a lot. I miss Hetalia. My experience with DeviantArt and Hetalia is just playing the flash games and even staying up to play all of them. But the overall fandom experience on my part was very nice. I missed it very much, I used to be so obsessed with it. I used to roleplay with other Hetalians in Wattpad. And even drawing OCs in small Aminos. And I did a crappy fanfic. 😭 I deleted it but it helped me made a friend who I still talk to this day. tho I had a self insert OC who was Japan's sister that I managed to expand on over the years for a certain channel. (eek this channel is too controversial) Speaking of otps though. My OTP was AmeriPan. I just like opposites attract and they have the cutest friendship in Hetalia. Like someone as loud as America and quiet as Japan has such a relationship like that. And I hope you summon more Hetalians in the replies hehe.

[@fueledbymaple]

@@yuri-sama.questionmark "You seem to like Canada a lot" my username definitely doesn't hide that fact. It's nice that you had a good experience within the fandom as well (and based on my OTP, I too am a fan of "opposites attract"). If there are any other Hetalia vets, I'd be very interested to know what their time was like, and I'd like to know if there have been any newcomers to the fandom in recent years

[@tobyray9330]

i too found hetalia as a young introverted autistic teen. today, i recognize that it has certain problematic elements in the show that dont agree with, and the fandom had its issues, but i am grateful for the good memories that i formed along the way

[@fueledbymaple]

@@tobyray9330 yeah, the issues people have regarding the series/comics are completely warranted, and there were actions within the fandom I do not condone. But I'll be damned if there wasn't plenty of lemonade made out of all those lemons which kept the experience from being wholly soured for me.

[@bon-jovian]

PruCan, hell yeah! And I 100% agree with your stance of how you can take the person out of the fandom, but you can't remove the fandom from the person 😂😂

[@MustyYew]

once again waited until now to check this out, worth the wait

[@robbycooper6787]

23:29 who is that

[@TheGorepill]

Seeing karkat in the thumbnail gave me a heart attack

[@maryleethefox8642]

I'm listening to this while I'm repainting my dresser and the first time you said Mary it threw me off 😂 It's not as common anymore so I will still get distracted when I hear my name.

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

lol

[@bubgerkirg7860]

Recognized the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History and National Museum of American History in the background!