Dyno test | Floatwheel ADV vs Onewheel GTS vs GT

[@Corridor]

Loving the science experiments. Four of us are now riding Floatwheels at the studio.

[@floatwheel]

❤yay！

[@MarianKolacek]

You guys are the reason I got a onewheel ❤ now I'm getting floatwheel too

[@jinkiescoob]

One of my favorite KZbin channels to be sure!

[@jaefrmbk2k]

🤯 🤙🏾

[@rich3677]

You are a very smart man!

[@mattyd_gaming7425]

This guy is singlehandedly taking down FM. amazing work Tony!

[@marquizo]

And due to this law suit, FM is trying to take down this man. Shame on FM. Getting jealous at someone making a better product than them

[@PapaP86]

@@marquizo It's as if they want their previous customers to hate and turn on them.

[@ThatsGinterEV]

As a lighter rider, I'm content with my GT (when it works), but this is the type of transparency I value in a company. Give me actual data, not just fancy graphs and buzz words (pun not intended). While I don't own a Floatwheel, it is most definitely on my radar. Keep up the great work Tony and team, it is appreciated! 🤙🏼

[@Zetler]

Considering the amount of money you spent on your GTs you could have owned 2 FWs by now.

[@Alex-ge6fo]

The type of transparency that you can get with other companies is a bar chart that shows a voltage increase from 75V to 113V (50% increase) but the relative size of the bars makes it visually appear as if the increase is 100%. I prefer companies that just play it straight without embellishments, but those companies are few and far between. Trust is something companies need to earn from their customers.

[@Jdb63]

They're planning on coming out with a lighter board with less milage similar to the GTS in the next year or two. It sounds like you'd be better of waiting for that

[@redfire015]

I was content with my XR for a long long time. Rode it today and it feels like an antique

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

Total noob here..... how unreliable are FM's boards? Don't know if it's best to buy used for cheap or just bite the bullet on the GTS.

[@quantumvortex3942]

Many hundreds of kms on my ADV Pro and no issues at all... More great stuff from Tony, the self confessed unstoppable wheel building maniac, I love the raw honesty and transparency.

[@anassuahabi3965]

how is the waterproofness of the floatwheel ? I live in a rainy area so waterproof devices are a must

[@lolclark]

Tony killing it again ! And with 'it' I mean FM 😅 Also, just received all plastics upgraded for the ADV, including both footpads, without any request on my behalf ! It's just amazing to see a company do this. It should be common to fully satisfy customers, but it's just not how things work these days. Cheers Tony !!

[@Zetler]

Tony’s handling of the plastic situation is classic example of turning failure into success. Instead disgruntled customers he created fans.

[@TheBoardGarage]

I want to echo the request for the dyno build plans, if possible. I'd like to build one and use it in the shop. Nicely done video, very informative.

[@jinkiescoob]

It's a no brainer... the cannoncore's whole setup is just BEAST!

[@GPeter7]

Thank you Tony for all your hard work and for setting a new standard of testing with Dyno for the Onewheel industry. The F/M will never show a similar test to us, simply because they do not have a dyno equipment itself, if they did have one, they would never release a way under-power device to the consumer.

[@zilogfan]

Best wheel video ever hands down period. I have wanted to see this for many years now! Nicely done. This setup is very well done!!

[@kerketj]

Almost half of the cost of GTS, with better torque, speed, and power. Unless someone brings pure science data like Tony did here, I am sold on ADV.

[@KD6TAV]

How about the ride?

@@KD6TAV while that is subjective, how can you quantify that? that is a purely subjective thing where one rider would hate 25 psi while another hates 15 psi.

[@KD6TAV]

@ agree it’s going to be different and people like different things. I guess i was asking more about push back and or board turning off with this software.

@@KD6TAV ahhh that makes sense to ask abt. Wish I had one 😞 but the float life people say that it’s more GT than pint, obviously if you’re crazy u can replace the hub with a 5 inch bad boy to make it nimble like the pint but powerful and fast like the GT

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

Tony amazingly 👏 well done. You showed what passion and dedications are when it comes to OW. FM will newer match this since they are $$$ driven.

[@sdmods619]

Can't wait to get my board working again. Most epic ride was when I was keeping up with EUCs and Esk8 on a group ride and watching esk8s walk up a steep hill while my heavy ass just escalatored on up in my ADV Pro 😆

[@sdmods619]

Tony I have received my V2 plastics and the new BMS. I'm back up and running with no issues. Thanks for your excellent support!

[@marsrover001]

This is what confidence in your product being the best looks like.

[@Frylock56]

Great Work Tony and as always, thank you for TRANSPARENCY! this just reaffirms my decision to go with floatwheel

[@mister_aanderson]

This is great information that can help advance the entire industry, THANK YOU TONY! 🙏🏼 Love my ADVP GEN I.

[@thetoasterisonfire2080]

It’s always good to see competition in a space, remember competition is always good for the consumer.

[@orientalwoodworks]

Tony just respectfully, throwing these brutally, honest punches. Still waiting for future motion’s answer…

[@PapaP86]

Their answer is trying to litigate competition that's better than them and more supportive of the community and right to repair. People need to completely boycott Future Motion unless they change, which they probably won't. VESC is the future.

[@MrDmadness]

Over 35,000km on xr format boards, the next 35,000 will be a floatwheel for sure. Tony you rock

[@hackjealousy]

Just purchased a Floatwheel. I’ll upgrade with the v2 electronics when they are available.

[@surfdado]

Excellent test Tony, you da man!

[@novaair2481]

Great test Do more test with lower load to simulate flat surface ride performance and top speed comparation

[@floatwheel]

Great suggestion!

[@DIYpo607]

Good job dude numbers make a lot of sense can’t argue against that

[@growingupisatrap6688]

Fantastic video and test. Keep doing what you're doing Tony, as has been said many times I really appreciate your honesty and openness 👊

[@Obi_Wanwheel]

Looking forward to you disassembling the GTS and comparing the components on the controller to the GT to see what was really upgraded

[@sendysent]

No need. The float life has already made that video

[@Obi_Wanwheel]

@@sendysent Um, I meant as in depth as Tony did with the GT, not just pointing at big capacitors like TFL did

[@MrDmadness]

Nothing. Future motion is a lazy and stupid company. They changed the micro controller and added sone larger caps ( still too small to load balance 113v ) it's almost tge exact same board as the gt

[@onewheelwanderer]

I Really appreciate you put all your cards on the table. This is well done and feels honest

[@DLR2542]

Ok, Tony. You have convinced me to get the ADV.

[@hungwensun]

Wait… no Vesc xr 😅. It would be great to see how a Vesc XR compares! Good stuff Tony!

[@bigfoot1.0.0]

I’m currently on XR. My next board will be the Floatwheel for sure 🎉 Thanks for all your work.

[@KD6TAV]

Sounds like we could upgrade our controller to a vesc and get gt results. Still researching but that would be nice. I don’t like crashing after my board makes me become Superman

[@RIDE-o-REBELLION-o-FLOATCAST]

I truly adore my ADV!!!

[@tanmaybhattacharya9749]

Definitly puts an end to all the hill climb tests ! I feel the only thing that's stopping FW from completely smashing through the market , is the lack of accessories . Ironically FM can thank TFL for their accessories . As I see all of this play out , its just so funny to to see how Kyle Dorkson is slowly but surely digging up his own grave . Popcorn time , which I wait fro my adv to arrive

[@brandonaskins7969]

Great video Tony, very informative. Cant wait for my ADV to show up!

[@thomasbjerregaard1080]

Love this kind of test! Fantastic!

[@Grimmx50]

Can you upload a parts list and a diagram so anyone can recreate this dyno and recheck numbers / make it a standard in the industry

[@floatwheel]

I have included the 3d files of the dyno, and the torque sensor information and the power brakes in the readme.txt in the raw data file, I will upload them once we get our dyno research paper ready.

[@huff_designs]

​@@floatwheelwill you make a video for this and make a download link in the description?

[@markgarry7866]

You did a very accurate accessment Tony, even with slight bias. The Fw that ill buy soon showed considerably more torque and power...Id like to see a test on range between the three. Cant wait to get my fw adv pro!!😅

[@quinnfoster1234]

AND the motor connector didn't burn out!

[@VESCmann]

just another BANGER 💪😤

[@MaidosBiolinks]

Love my ADV pro. Out of curiosity, update the firmware on the GT/GTS and rerun the test. I’m curious if the noise and haptic feedback reduce the torque/power output any. Great video. Thanks Tony.

[@turbot888]

dont think there is any going back after update guess no body wants to ride that GT anyways dont blame them🤣 when u have choice to ride ADV lol

[@MrDmadness]

The haptic buzz does as it utilizes The magNet to do so.

[@huiyang09]

Love the education Tony provides

[@JohnnyMcPro]

Now I know why my OG Pint just died once and I went flying. I feel a little safer on the GT, but man - I’d feel über safe on the Floatwheel!

[@Groyne]

Great video Tony,, with an amazing explanation, that is no doubt about the performance of the floatwheel, keep going with your good work, and your humbleness.

[@onewheelwanderer]

Well done tony bringing the receipts can't be argued with

[@TheHitman-]

Take note people, an engineer being 100% completely transparent. Not what we are used to with the later. (Fm) cough cough 😂 Great job tony, waiting for the more powerful board to drop then im buying. 👌

[@MrDmadness]

This board is already more powerfull. Volts does not equal torque. It is electrical pressure

[@TheHitman-]

@MrDmadness What does your comment have to do with anything i said? I stated I want an even more powerful board than the adv/pro. I never said volts equal torque, i also never stated I didn't under pressure and volts, and my comment wasn't an indication that i didn't. I said I want a more powerful board and that, for me, incompases more speed tourqe and responsiveness. I'm not sure what you were trying to do there 🤔 but it didn't work.

[@getaflattyinya]

These results are truly outstanding. I'm getting an ADV!

[@iPhonedo]

Man this is incredibly impressive, I want to switch to floatwheel now.

[@zilogfan]

You mentioned a share of spreadsheet data, let us know if when it is online. Thanks

[@markgarry7866]

This is Kyle, he invented the one wheel. He heard about the floatwheel, bought one and said, damn floatwheels are badass, how can we make something as good as a floatwheel. His marketing guy said, we dont need to, ours are colorful and we have 2000 commercials a day, we dont need to be as good as floatwheel.

[@ulfistulf4284]

I am more interested in how to geht the hub waterproof :D Is there anything planned?

[@boolikethebear]

these numbers are pretty damning tony. very impressive. can we get a durability test tho?

[@jaefrmbk2k]

updated water resistance test too 🤞🏾

[@MrDmadness]

I'm getting one for next season, I will test it well and post then :) my boards routinely kau ch end over end down rock slopes lol

[@deltarowz]

​​@@jaefrmbk2kpretty sure the last one the bearings were toast after the video.

[@tags42]

My ADV is a beast! Thank you Tony 🍻

[@esk8world]

I love watching you shit on FM over and over again ❤️

[@gustavocovace]

Great job on the detailed comparison, Tony. Really shows the big difference with those numbers, Didn't expect that much of a gap though. Can't wait for my ADV!

[@Reiz027]

I don't want you to turn off the subtitle feature on KZbin.🥺

[@floatwheel]

it takes time for ytb to Generate it, watch later maybe?

[@Hoodean]

Love my ADV Pro, what a beast. Thanks for helping me early on with my esc issues ❤❤

[@douglassebold213]

Is your website going to be viewable again soon? I'm really interested in an ADV.

[@turbot888]

alot of ADV orders coming in 💯

[@peteb3677]

im from canada and i was wondering is when can i buy an ADV PRO through paypal or mastercard..i dont deal with any BITCOIN

[@floatwheel]

please contact [e-mail], I will help you out.

[@joeyroberts3929]

"Scare me shit out!" 🔥

[@benlay750]

Great video. 24s VEXR or GTV with Superflux + Tronic 250R = lighter, faster, more powerful than the rest plus tons of aftermarket upgrades available. DIY for the win!

[@VXwheel]

Thanks for this test! Makes a lot of sense!

[@bullrder33]

Love the home made wheel brake.

[@TheKohoutek]

Gt-s reminds me first prototypes of adv 😂 nice 💪

[@monyx1101]

Fantastic stuff and I can vouch for support from FloatWheel just got my V2 improved replacement bumpers & footpads from Tony here in Australia. I don't ride trails or tricks with my board so my V1 plastics are fine even after few small crashes into steel balustrades at 20km/h.

[@S2KPHD]

Been looking for something besides OneWheel... looks like I finally found what I need.

[@TheAnimeist]

31:28 When the road salsa is your tire, you know you're shredding.

[@sp1d3]

Should I get adv or adv pro? This is a nice videos and Tony I want you to make that graph into a t shirt!

[@willchristman3343]

Great video, Tony! Your honesty is remarkable. Any idea when the adv without the pro battery will be back in stock?

[@floatwheel]

hard to say, since we can't get the cells anymore here

[@boolikethebear]

@@floatwheel so what happens if something bust their battery?

[@floatwheel]

@@boolikethebearWe have 10 x standard packs on the shelf just waiting in case people bust their packs.

[@willchristman3343]

Sad to hear but thanks for the info.

[@davidlawrence7737]

Adv with p45b going to be an option in the future?

[@ehylton89]

I will buy instantly. The pro is so close to being peak straight out the box.

[@jinkiescoob]

Time for Tony and FloatLife to team up and kick ass.

[@floatwheel]

keen！❤

[@hippie.matt.]

I'm surprised TFL or C&R haven't reached out to Tony to collaborate on aftermarket accessories.

[@帥的不明顯]

Adv那邊買得到

[@danilolattaro]

Tony, I know it's a crazy request...but could you please dyno the OG Floatwheel (phub based) hub? thanks

[@brahamyoung1951]

Thx Tony Having coffee & watching.. Braham from downunder

[@TEDDiBullwinkel]

Let the carnage begin…

[@madyakmedia]

Could you release a Floatwheel sticker pack (on a US-based website) that allows us to get stickers to promote Floatwheel, even if we are not currently able to buy a Floatwheel? Many of us would like to cover up our FM/Onewheel branding on our rails in support of equalizing the onewheel market to allow for Floatwheel to coexist. So basically the logos from the Floatwheel rail guards, but as a less expensive option than buying rail guards and cutting them up. Thanks

[@juicy77777]

tony > FM . any day of the week , keep it up brother

[@coolaiddeity]

"If you are a heavy rider, there is a chance the GT will cut out on you" Not really a chance just a matter of time I'm 250 Pounds and I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the times my GT has dumped me with that error. LOVING my FW.

[@Kay0Bot]

I love it when the lighter riders say that a GT can hit 20+mph easy ... GT gotta work hard to get me to that speed

[@IdoN_Tlikethis]

​@@Kay0Bot I managed to go 20 mph on my old Pint once, nosedived at about 20.5 tho. But don't worry, I didn't fall ^^ On my XR I can easily go 21 mph, though for some reason I don't feel comfortable at those speeds anymore and don't usually go any faster than 15 mph now. But I'll still probably get a floatwheel next

[@marconiusmaximus]

I just bricked my 2nd GT in less than a year. Ordered an ADV pro, done with FM. Let’s Float 🤙

[@KD6TAV]

I have the XR less than 50 miles on it. How does this compare to these? I have nose dived a few times, it sucks. Is it worth an upgrade? Or what?

[@floatwheel]

stock XR is too dangerous to ride, you can upgrade the controller to vesc and get much better results(GTS level) and you can upgrade to floatwheel if you like the sport.

[@ChristopheMIREMONT]

Good stuff! Is that for the V1 or V2 ADV motor? Is there any big difference anyway?

[@wideopenthrottl]

What are the numbers? Results?

[@tigerjuju]

I don't know. I am still not sure about your ride posture in this test...😂

[@南辉-g2z]

干的漂亮Tony，继续加油

[@Jack20585]

Dont know if your dyno has this function like a car dyno. (because you need to ramp the load over a run) But it would be really good to see the torque and power as a graph over rpm not just peak. Whats the torque at 10, 20, 30, 40kph. The GTS torque should be closing in on the adv the higher the speed.

[@floatwheel]

check out the community post I have this graph

[@uhjyuff2095]

@@floatwheel Thank you.

[@robust187]

floatwheel, great stuff tony, the wheelone avd

[@klxz79]

Where’s the haptic buzz on the gts? If you were maxing out the gts you should have haptic buzz kick in, right?

[@floatwheel]

as soon as I put the nose down, the haptic buzz starts and buzz all the way till the end

as a rider of 230lb, my pint is laughable going uphill. after watching The Float Life race a floatwheel vs the GT S-Series, and the Floathweel being able to go up the hill while the regular GT can't but the S could, I'm def going to get the floathweel next :))))

[@legolasgleaf]

​ @floatwheel can you dyno the SuperFlux? I don't think will better than the Cannon Core (I think Cannon Core has better torque), but some people are talking about temps that are higher than the SuperFlux. Should be great to compare and show results

[@floatwheel]

lemme see what I can do, the superflux is a good motor, but it's too heavy for my like, and there's no ESC That's powerful enough to feed it full rightnow, If fed with good power, I'm not surprised that superflux will be more powerful than CC, think of the CC as a BMW s65 v8, small displacement light, just enough power for the chassis, and the superflux as amg c63 which is big displacement, heavy and came with more power! Can't go wrong with both.

[@legolasgleaf]

@@floatwheel but they claim to be exactly the same weight as Cannon Core, cause the Cannon Core axle is heavier as is much bigger, so despite having different material is the same weight (or almost, they claim 1lb difference as much, which is nothing). Can you weight both too?

[@floatwheel]

@@legolasgleaf oh No, the superflux is way heavier than CC. the CC with tire on is only 8.9kg the XR is 7.15kg.

[@legolasgleaf]

@@floatwheel I still buy a CC over SF, pity that does not have long cable and bullet connectors, I would buy it over SF.

[@monyx1101]

@@floatwheeland the sweet S58 is yet to come...my favourite as I drive an S58TT!

[@oldretireddude]

Very impressive🍻

[@DIYpo607]

Is it possible to put a vesc in a Onewheel GT?

[@thomasbjerregaard1080]

Yes, definently, it is the easiest platform to do it on, the only "thing" that needs a little more attention is that you need to replace the BMS with pretty much any other BMS On the XR you can (if you keep the stock battery) reuse your FM BMS I'm not 100% sure, but selling your GT BMS probably will give you enough money to buy a high end BMS that is suitable (enoid v3 seems like a good choice)

[@NateLugo]

Do you offer payment plans?

[@uhjyuff2095]

how come the adv is not smart enough to throw an error when the tire is stuck with no rpm? Is that a safety thing?

[@floatwheel]

havent even went up near to our over current limit

[@zilogfan]

Just set that in settings. If you set it to shut down you may need some bandages though...

[@freedomcaller]

The real answer is that the vesc won't shut off on you for holding max torque, it lets you do it till something heats up enough, which will trigger a tilt back, then eventually an output reducer. The is similar to how the xr operates, you can hold torque on that for as long as you want within reason.

[@uhjyuff2095]

@@freedomcaller so if the bms or battery gets too hot it will shut off the power to the motor similar to the GT?

[@uhjyuff2095]

@@zilogfan Rip.

[@johndope7980]

Can't wait to get mine. Not really looking forward to figuring out the random crypto transaction.

[@GlenoraFA]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWSXe3ihnsZ7Zq8 there's a few other videos that popped up to help with crypto payments. it seems to vary a little bit by country.

[@Alex-ge6fo]

Hey Tony - very interesting and useful test apparatus that you came up with. However, I disagree a little with your methodology. I would say the disc brake device that you built is comparable to the steepness of a hill. And the portion of your weight that you are able to exert on the board is the rider weight. So let's say that you are able to apply 80 lbs. of force down on the board with your upper body, then your test method is equivalent to testing an 80 lb. rider going up a very steep hill. You can see this in your first dynamic run test on the GT - it maxed out at a speed of 10.8 km/hr (6.7 mph). Everyone knows that the GT can go much faster than that. I believe a more relevant test would have you dial back the brake load a lot (to like equivalent to a flat paved road). Then you would stand on the board and start the test ride - even better if you can find a 180 lb. test rider. Get the wheel speed up to a cruising speed of something like 24 km/hr (15 mph). Then you slowly increase the brake load (steepness of the hill) while the test rider keeps leaning forward to maintain the same speed, and see at what brake load (hill steepness) the board nosedives. I realize this test is a little less safe with you or the test rider standing on the board, but your apparatus is not elevated much and you are not moving, so it is not too bad - a no speed nosedive! You say you plan to do more testing and get more comprehensive data to generate curves. If you can do this alternate test procedure, it will be more relevant to what riders actually do with their boards. You could run this test at a few different ride speeds. I'm sure regardless of test method, your ADV will still be better than the GT-S and GT, however the ratios/spreads may shift somewhat with the alternate test methodology. What do you think?

[@floatwheel]

sweeping dyno load test is recommend by Robert from TFL and I fully agree with, but like I said, it has nothing to do with how much weight I excert on the board, it might be anti-instinct, but as long as the tire don't spin off, and the motor is properly having load on it, the results are comparable.

[@-xoilox-stefan2604]

So what is the max weight in kg those boards can handle?

[@ScrapHeapFPV]

as a 460lb American who rides a gt they can all handle any weight however any sort of offroading for me is impossible and hills bigger than an Ada ramp is a no go

[@-xoilox-stefan2604]

@@ScrapHeapFPV Thanks man, appreciated.

[@jasonetherington1665]

This one guy spanks FM into submission. Kyle and friends with your branded coffee mugs and strange denial that EUC has eaten your lunch, can BUZZ OFF!!! 😂

[@c.daubz.5386]

35:17 💯Agree‼️ , 👍👍video

[@bullrder33]

I want a ADV. Floatwheel.

[@dogbog99]

I love the hard evidence that floatwheel is providing that they are better in every single way. I’m not buying another onewheel and will be getting a floatwheel

[@npcfpv9542]

More great stuff!

[@zzzetsulive]

Hot take but im waiting for it to actually hit a reliable 30 mile range at 80% charge, otherwise its honestly just not enough for me. There are so many eucs that have nearly 80 mile ranges and while they do weigh like 80+ lbs its alot more useful

[@floatwheel]

EUC works better in longer run, floatwheels currently are not made to go that far yet, but Idid go 56km/charge with only the std battery.

[@xavicon64]

18:12 Did not even go 10.8 miles per hour because that's actually 10.8 km per hour.