Which board do you buy? // Floatwheel ADV vs Onewheel GTS comparison

[@f1uckyou]

Firstly, ignore the account name, old account, didn't want to register but had to to watch videos back in like 2009. 6:10 hey that's me, I am that 'little lady'!. I recently hit 40.5 again and it was at 85% duty cycle going slightly downhill. I weigh about 140 currently, and this was on an 8psi 7x11.5in Burris TX-22. Thanks for the shoutout! Was a pleasure meeting some of your crew (Elijah, Jesse, and old crew Bodhi!) down at Hflux. I don't really post often, not a social media person at all, so I'll just say it here: Thanks for all your content. Thanks for supporting right to repair. Thanks for your time, dedication, and hard work. But most importantly, thanks for never forgetting your community. As you say yourself, Float on my Friends ^_^

[@jaefrmbk2k]

nfn but we'd Love to be able to see u Rip somewhere on social media 👀!

[@CALented]

8 psi?? I run my hoosier slick on double that at 16psi. Doesn't that wear the tire super fast? How does it help you gain max speed?

[@MasonH24]

Respect. That's sketchy af and takes insane skill. Just cruising my WTF'd XR at 20 :D

[@vdmx2824]

We knew that was happening a year ago so its not a shock for anybody

[@vafixer8885]

With a name like that, its not a stretch to believe she hits 40 - The crazy ladies are always the most fun, its either cats tattoos or now onewheels. Things are improving.

[@floatwheel]

Thank you so much Jeff! and the camera man behind, you guys made the Adv look so nice OMG, it's the right exact most beautiful angle we appreciate it in SolidWorks. 🤣

[@kunjo7]

Thank you Tony for developing a competing product to advance the sport! I can’t wait for the FW V2! I want it now 😭

[@rich3677]

TONY FOR PRESIDENT OF AMERICA!!!

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

When it comes to power, torque, speed and range ADV PRO is almost half more powerful than GT S. Jeff why don't you say it like it is? You can see if in the speed test how much faster and farther it got. Come on bud!

[@sdmods619]

Don't get careless. Do what you have to to ensure your product doesn't get stopped at the border. Even if it means that delivery remains a black hole with more delay than bearable, you have to play it safe.

[@jaefrmbk2k]

ty Tony. lookin forward to that V2 BMS & all your upcoming innovations

[@마스터M-s8q]

I am a GT user in South Korea. Within a month of purchase, there was a breakdown that caused the power to fail, and it was so hard to send GT to the U.S. for repairs. Air delivery asked for more than $1,000 one-way, and it was even impossible due to battery issues. After all, it takes 2 months just to send it by shipping. Shh. I'm exchanging emails with TONY for the next one wheel.

[@h8GW]

Also VESC your FM board so it doesn't become a useless doorstop.

[@bigfoot1.0.0]

The same story in Europe.

[@robras2850]

Buy a float wheel and you can do repairs yourself save 💵

[@rafelOrCo]

Smart guy

[@MMDCLXVI]

That's one of the reasons I'm hesitant about getting a onewheel. Aside from how expensive it is, close to €3000 for the GT (Ireland), there is also the issue of what happens if the board breaks. We have the right to repair in Ireland (well, the EU), but if I have to send it back to America for repair, the question is, is it even worth it. Would it cost me just as much to ship it, get it repaired, and then pay for delivery (and likely custom fees) Then it would be to buy the ADV pro. On the other hand, I could buy the GT from an Irish store, but ADV, I need to purchase it from China, pay delivery and whatever import tax/fee customs. And Irish customs love slapping you with massive import fees. For example, I purchased a set of Lego lights from China, the lights, including delivery, cost €110. Custom charged €50 import fee. I can only imagine the field day they would have if I tried getting the ADV.

[@blaskotron]

Honestly Jeff should be CEO of future motion and they'd blow up anything in the market

[@dustinpugh8222]

I second that!

[@synthetic4]

Future Motion had its chance, and we all know how it went

[@user-lw6sp5pk1y]

Jeff is too good of a guy to be in that environment. I say he should keep serving the community.

[@PapaP86]

100% That would be awesome. I'd actually buy FM again if they didn't hate their customers.

[@kaveman_4242]

Jeff is awesome!

[@SMASHINGblargharghar]

If I didn't already dive deep into VESC, I'd have already ordered a Floatwheel. It's the superior alternative to anything FM makes

[@qapaMcFly]

DIY is still better :)

[@h8GW]

Broh was much more diplomatic to Future Motion than he needed to be and _a lot more_ than they deserve.

[@mattm6751]

Legal Motion*

[@ArchangelMichael94]

Have loved my GT and would love to upgrade for some extra performance that I definitely don’t need, from the brand that kicked off this thing. I just can’t give Future Motion another dollar until they change their ways

[@MrDmadness]

If down the line your gt stops or the battery ages, know you CAN vesc it. :)

[@milesonewheelwinter]

​@@MrDmadnessTell me more. I've been wanting to do this for a while now to my GTI didn't know that was an option.

[@MrDmadness]

@@milesonewheelwinter makers pev, or just look into "lil focker)

[@JaTirk]

I’m new to onewheel, what is this criticism that I keep seeing about onewheel? What is wrong with them?

[@ArchangelMichael94]

@@JaTirk They have a lot of practices in place that are pretty anti-consumer. They sue into bankruptcy anything too close to a Onewheel, which makes it harder for third parties to make parts. Want to make different foot pads, you better plan on making the rear only cuz the front sensor is theirs alone. Want to swap out a battery? Good luck if you disconnect that cable you're likely, if not certain to brick your board. Need work done? Sure there might be plenty of shops in your area capable of it, but they want you to spend hundreds of dollars on shipping it to their 1 location in the world that can do it. Shipping is no problem for you? you better hope that there is no sign that you or anyone has touched something in there that they don't like, or else they might just send it back to you without doing any repairs. Sadly the list goes on :(

[@indetrucks]

I will never give Future Motion another dime. They have shown their true colors and I'm just not a supporter of their business.

[@JeffreyHallford]

Same here brother

[@deanaoxo]

I don't mind buying their XR power plugs. . .

[@flowsolo]

Amen to that!

[@YeeLeeHaw]

Same.

[@ozlantern4707]

Why

[@MrDmadness]

I buy the floatwheel because tony IS part of the community. His board is more power, user repairable, faster, cheaper, and fully customizable. Plus tony will never brick your board with an update or steal your components. Future motion is dead to me ( this is me im not saying you have to do or think as i do, i just present what ive experienced and know ) over 30,000 km ridden on xr model boards is my exp with onewheel, evey bowrd had issues ( self repaired ) some minor, others more major ( my v1 lives at the bottom of a rapids section of river due to ghosting Fomf

[@jinkiescoob]

Man the ADV aerial video shot was amazing!!

[@Zetler]

Great compare and contrast shot right there.

[@g00-eye10]

Thank you for the video! I don't care if floatwheel is heavier. I'm turned off by Future Motion's ( 1980s/90s Apple Computer proprietary ideals. ) Which is why to this day I don't buy Apple products ( you're way too young to know the ordeals of dealing with apple to proprietary stuff versus IBM and IBM clones computers.) So to Future Motion I say change your ways before consumers start to hate you and to Floatwheel I say... You're my IBM clone of electric one wheel boards, keep the fight going and thank you!

[@MrDmadness]

Agreed 100%. I am old enough to know Apple as well. Why would you make boolean logic that flips a true to false and then flips it back in the end lines? It takes more time to process, but hey it does make stuff proprietary ;) Now I'm just waiting for people to shit on me here.. reality is harsh :) Fomf

[@jinkiescoob]

Can’t argue - that’s a super fair assessment right there!

[@ChristopheGUIVANT]

Well now things are clear thanks to TFL. Floatwheel has built something equivalent to Future Motion with a different way of doing things, that of listening to users just like TFL does so well. Long live to the great Future Motion and the baby Floatwheel in healthy and respectful competition!

[@sylrider]

Except it’s already war between the 2: floatwheel clearly enforced patents (that are BS anyways) and FM suing Floatwheel. 😅

[@Zetler]

It must take a ton of courage to publish this video considering recent events. Surely Jeff is persona non grata at FM by now at best.

[@tom.m]

That's been true for years. FM won't let dealers sell accessories from other brands, blatantly rips off Jeff's products, and has tried to use their lawyers to stop TFL from even making accessories. Huge respect to Jeff for remaining classy and diplomatic despite all FM's bullshit.

[@bretley361]

Got my GTS today and absolutely love it. Coming from my XR, its a whole different animal. The Floatwheel is super cool but id much rather send my board to FM an pay to have it fixed (Just easier for me). I must say, I'm not a fan of the right to repair issue with FM, or going after Tony with lawsuits. The more competition, the more innovation. But at the end of the day, i dont think we should be splitting up one of the coolest communities I've ever been a part of. These boards have changed mine and my friend's life for the better in so many ways. I think the best board is the one that works best for your situation. And I dont care if you got a FM, ADV, or any VESC, you can ride with me anytime, anywhere! 🤘

[@jaefrmbk2k]

Loved how you accurately critiqued FM's repair process 🏆

[@RIDE-o-REBELLION-o-FLOATCAST]

You’re so fair. I applaud you. Especially with all the shade ‘those that shall not be named” have been. Class act.

[@MrDmadness]

Great leaders are those that lead because they love the community and the sport, Tfl are riders, they know the community cause they are the community, as is Tony, as is anybody reading this... we are bigger than "they who shall not be named" ;)

[@asddfdsdf]

I love that there is finally actual competition for FM. They were the only name in the game for far too long and this will finally encourage better features, performance, and price. Their GT-S price is out of hand. I've been waiting to get away from FM and their anti-consumer practices

[@SeanPaulNotTheSinger]

I love these videos. As fair and unbiased as possible with the goal of getting people riding something that will make people have the most fun, being the best fit for their wants and aptitude. Thank you, as always. BTW, my GT-S arrived the other day. I'm that guy that needs the VESC stuff to be a little simpler before tackling it.

[@Jameslangford-rc6sw]

Yeah for sure, like Jeff said if you don't know exactly what to change and what to change to make other changes, it will buck you while riding. Gt s shaping is great, not quite as good as vesc, but at least its simple

[@smokeyBJJ]

It’s a super simple initial setup if you can read and follow steps. Once it’s setup you can easy upload many different tunes with a click of the button. There’s no real need to learn what each setting does, altho you will eventually begin to understand. Don’t be intimidated, it’s so worth it! I’m coming from and xr, and gt

[@Mase32]

@@smokeyBJJif I am coming from pint to GTS and don’t know anything about shaping and custom can you dumb this down for me? Haha just trying to understand that is all 😊

[@MisterNutty]

@@Mase32 Smokey is contesting that vesc isn't that hard to set up (which I will agree with but still not as simple as clicking buy on a website and getting a functional board at your door.) For your situation of pint to GTS, I assume the pint doesn't have custom shaping? I don't have one myself to check. It's just another shaping profile but you have several settings you can tweak like "aggressiveness" and "carveability" which change how the board behaves.

[@Jameslangford-rc6sw]

@@smokeyBJJ Uh huh. What I was saying is that there's nothing you can press in the onewheel app that will make the board shut off while your going 20. Ive tried it, I have friends who've tried it, I know what I've seen.

[@BrandEver117]

I will never buy something from FM again. If they survive long enough to make an XR and/or Pint style board, I will definitely be buying a Floatwheel. Oh, and they should put a soundbard on it for a pushback/low power audible warning without your phone for those who want it. As jank as haptic buzz is, I'm glad Onewheel finally has SOMETHING.

[@texasredfox7607]

The GTS was the board the GT should’ve been. I bought the GTS and just installed an Enduro on it. It’s such a huge improvement from the XR. I wanted a complete product, not a project. I hate FM practices, but love the boards 🤷‍♂️

[@19hundoc47]

That makes no sense. Then the next board FM makes is going to be the board the “GTS should have been” It’s normal for every version to get better. Duh

[@GPeter7]

Future Motion it's the worst company to deal with, especially on the warranty repair, at least in my case, they will try to find any excuse not to fix it, first, they tell me that my GT it's over a year old from the day of purchase and it is out of warranty, I tell them to please check again date of purchase on the original receipt the one I submitted, after that, they replied yes we can fix it, but I would have to pay for shipping cost, if it's a warranty repair why do I have to pay for shipping costs? especially since I'm in the United States, I would understand if I were in a different country, but I never get a straight answer from them about that. So I decided to fix it on my own, and never support those greedy bastards again

[@igotthatcrypto7169]

I love my GT-S… Such a sick board!

[@TimFerda]

I wait eagerly for these videos every few days 🙏

[@jaefrmbk2k]

same

[@darrenfrancis8584]

I never even heard of float wheel before and got to say you totally sold me.

[@benlay750]

Congrats to Jeff for taking the gloves off with regards to the relationship with Future Motion.

[@FreaToob]

My FW is amazing. Worth the effort and wait.

[@crystalfrancis218]

Thanks for all you guys do for the community. Much ❤️

[@chrisc790]

Did Jeff just say his pick is the board that makes him very little or no money? That tells me everything I need to know.

[@jaefrmbk2k]

zackly

[@shanelibeau9040]

Enduro is magic on the ADV

[@mattm6751]

I love that a good %age of the community is standing by the innovation and building of the sport offered by having more options for boards and parts, rather than Legal Motion's walled garden approach ❤️

[@FloatinCanada]

Great video! I haven't had a chance to try a gt-s but I definitely do want to try one some day but the price is a big no no to me. Being in canada makes it even more expensive, then shipping to the US for repairs is a whole other ballgame. I've been thrilled with my adv so far.

[@wisi4044]

I live in europe💀 Flooatweel is the solution

[@hoeliris7984]

Onewheel are vastly overpriced and I'm in Europe, I don't want to send my board to California. Plus I hate monopoly. Cudo to all the US people in the comment that stand up against FM and for FW for the sake of competition, even if FW is not in the US. I respect you for that! PS: my ADV is incredible.

[@-JohnSmith-]

Tony made the bumpers extra brittle so you could sell bangs for them

[@TheFloatLife]

Well that sure was kind of him! 🤣

[@fixmypev]

19:37 - This is where we come in. 🤙🏼⚡️🛠️

[@Smike2095]

I would add that if you live outside of the US and you are able to repair things yourself, the adv is gonna be the better choice I live in Italy, any one wheel would cost me their full price+import taxes+international shipping (which are both A LOT) and if anything brake I would have to pay both TWICE AGAIN to ship the board to repair The ADV for almost half the price has better performances, better tunability and can be repaired with less money Also I see nobody talking about the potential of the cannoncore motor: while I feel like the hypercore motor is reaching its full potential in the GTS, in the future with better batteries and controllers, the cannoncore motor could give so much more, that's why I look forward to see the ADV gen II I think getting a GTS is worth it only if you don't want the hassle of buying with crypto and assembling the board yourself, and still, personally I would be inclined to buy a normal GT; getting a stock GTS in Europe would end up costing me almost 4k, it's just too much....

[@TheHitman-]

Switch to electric unicycle like "freshly charged" did on their youtube channel.

[@Smike2095]

@@TheHitman- I think they are two separate things, switching from one to the other is not a direct, natural change

[@TheHitman-]

@Smike2095 Well, they are single rider, single stance, multi directional PEV's that require you to lean in the direction you want to travel. They are different in design and stance position...and range, speed and waterproofing, and durability and location travel abilities but beyond that are essentially alike. And beyond all that neither are "natural" once you ride an euc though you won't be buying another FM "dare you to touch it" paper weight.

[@real_ez8412]

Out of principal I would get an adv for my next wheel. I'm still riding an XR when it eventual dies ADV why simple I don't have to buy a new board when it breaks or overpay for repairs could prob also just do them myself. Also in a years time adv will prob have just as much parts and upgrades if not more because open source no lock ❤ Fm did thus to themselves but the sport needs to grow and it does that with or without them. I also heard I could just vesc my XR with a kit. Which I might also consider.

[@brodyport6395]

ADV can also fit big tire gang natively (with removing the fender deletes that is)

[@TheFloatLife]

This is true!

[@xavicon64]

Cool video, but can't agree with the torque. ADV has way more torque at low speeds.

[@chavamendez25]

All Hail The ADV 🙌🏼

[@nicoaleman]

Some say Jeff's still holding a mug to this very day

[@TheFloatLife]

All right I'm about to let everyone in on a little secret. When I first started filming these types of videos all those years ago, I was so nervous and camera shy I had to have a beer in my hand. Now I'm good to go with just a coffee, tea, or kombucha in a sweet mug ☕️

[@nicoaleman]

@@TheFloatLife We love to see character development 👏

[@MrDmadness]

​@@TheFloatLifeahhh, I thought For sure you just accidentally super glued it to your hand :)

[@PEVD_Weston]

It's the whole Ricky Bobby what do I do with my hands and if you don't like big red well then chew something else

[@tiztrain]

They going to make a movie about this

[@Valcreee]

Thoughts on Jacks comments regarding TFL? Glad to see the community standing up for yall

[@Grimmx50]

What did jack say about tfl?

[@loganlaviolette3494]

@@Grimmx50look at the comments on FM’s most recent video

[@RIDE-o-REBELLION-o-FLOATCAST]

@@loganlaviolette3494about how tfl must not have made Bodhi happy?

[@tom.m]

​@@loganlaviolette3494Any chance you could copy paste here or give a summary? I don't even give FM content clicks anymore if I can at all avoid it.

[@bradleybeukes8200]

It's a no brainer adv all the way!

[@Jameslangford-rc6sw]

A no brainer 😂😂 Bro didn't even watch the video

[@kunjo7]

@@Jameslangford-rc6sw actually the response is subjective, for him it’s a no brainer. Personally for me, I would go ADV because of range, price and the ability to repair the board without FM telling me to go f**k myself

[@Jameslangford-rc6sw]

@@kunjo7 Obviously its subjective. But this a comparison video not a no brainer this is what you should buy video. Also, let the bro I was actually talking to tell me that

[@r00kiet80]

​@@Jameslangford-rc6swalso a nobrainer for me the fact that they have similar performance and one is half the price and repairable is enought to know. No further comparison needed at that point.

[@Jameslangford-rc6sw]

@@r00kiet80 If thats how you want to see it🤣🤣

[@GazzasStuff]

Water/dirt ingress? Really appreciate your balanced review here. 10/10.

[@Magic_sk8board_media]

I love Jeffs non biased commentary lol! You the GOAT! I can't wait to see the new team rider! Give us a hint!

[@jeremyneworleans]

I dig my ADV pro rails. Looks and feels like a finished product, a solid road monster.

[@justinb9356]

Due to floatwheel's stance on right to repair AND that they are half the price, I don't think that I'll ever buy from futuremotion again (unless they make major changes). Thanks Jeff!

[@eekdestroy5329]

Great video as always, fair and considered. I love my GT but I spend a good portion of each ride worrying that it's about to die and become a paperweight. I don''t think I'd be too concerned if I had an ADV, knowing that I could fix it myself with parts ordered from FW. I think if you don't happen to live in the US this is a major concern, knowing you'll have to send it back to FM and pay a mystery price for the hopeful fix. I'd much rather keep my broken board and order parts and fit them myself. If you live in the UK and your Onewheel breaks the only sensible (cost) option you have is to sell it for spares or repair. Then buy a new one and repeat the process. With the Floatwheel you could potentially keep the same board for many many years as you repair it yourself as things break over time. I honestly don't think I'd buy the GTS even if it was cheaper than the ADV because I'd still have that worry that it was about to die from some unknown problem and I'd have to give FM yet more money. I don't want to be FM's bitch anymore.

[@therealbergexperience5640]

FM is watching 🤨🤣 good stuff Jeff. Always keeping it 💯

[@jaefrmbk2k]

word

[@BillyShredder]

GTS cost as much as 2 ADVs 😂😂😂 thats wild. Epic video dudes 👏🏼

[@brahamyoung1951]

Having coffee & watching Ski 2weeks ....&spend the rest of my life on my Xrs They are fantastic.... Thanks for all the info Braham from downunder

[@noma_es_sebas]

humble savage is crazy. he really rips it harder then last time!

[@quaili9068]

Without watching yet, I've just ordered my adv last night 🤘🏼

[@finn8808]

I bet FM is shaking in their boots rn knowing someone has a better product than them for half the price. they're assembling their avengers team of lawyers 😂

[@mattm6751]

"We're changing our company name from Future Motion, to Legal Motion, to more clearly reflect our principles."

[@kaveman_4242]

Future motion is a business and I don’t blame them. Remember blizzard just straight up ignored. At least FM reached out a few times. Also I freaking love my Pint X! USA! USA! USA!

[@deanaoxo]

If Jake is the professor , Jeff is the Ambassador...

[@hippie.matt.]

With my riding style I can get 35miles on my adv Pro, 180lbs, 13psi 🤙

[@smokeyBJJ]

Same weight, riding both street and trail on the same ride (19psi/10psi) and managed 54kms

[@MrDmadness]

I'm stoked to hear it, that's about what I weigh.

[@hippie.matt.]

@@smokeyBJJ Nice, my ride would be 90% street comfortably cruising at 30-35km/h and 10% grass

[@jaefrmbk2k]

sweet

[@miclairmiclair876]

How much faster is the air shipping compared to the standard shipping. I’m ready to get one but I’m also very impatient

[@GiovanniGiorgo]

I went ADV, and I’m so glad I did. Crazy power, fair price, unlimited customization and I can fix it myself. The ADV is 100% not for everyone and in many cases the GTS is the better choice. 2 different products for 2 different markets.

[@KuroMinoltaRR]

Thanks for being unbiased. One other thing not mentioned was that future motion did not acknowledge issues with their boards for the longest time. Ghosting and footpads activation…. Tony from floatwheel on the other hand, immediately rectified all issues immediately upon identification, let the community know what happens and why, and then sent feee replacements. Did FM do anything like this? Hmmm

[@MwumpSy]

I got my ADV Pro now! Add that to the tally in the Floathwheel community

[@ChameleonRails]

Enough about the boards, let’s talk about that super Dope Float sign!!!!!!😎

[@TheFloatLife]

🤣🤣🤣 #1 🤘

[@ElectricVehicleSpace]

When it comes to power, torque, speed and range ADV PRO is almost half more powerful than GT S. Jeff why don't you say it like it is? You can see if in the speed test how much faster and farther it got. Come on bud!

[@nospamevereh]

You missed some major points. 1- You can disconnect the BMS from the battery and it will not brick the board. Which one does that I wonder! Why are these major "costs of ownership" being glossed over? All those Christmas toys with batteries not included, like WHEN after many miles of use the FM battery only charges to a 5 mile range and you want to replace it, you have to ship it to California, that is insane! 2- Even a two year old can replace the batteries in a toy. Anyone with over a room temperature IQ should have learned by the time they can ride one of these how to replace a battery but FM make that a money grab and ADV just sells you a battery you can replace. 3- Any competent shop on the planet can get ADV parts or use parts you bought and fix your board for you. That would be like any bike shop or garage for any other vehicle you, your parents, your grandparents etc etc owned in the past century. I cannot comprehend the staggering avarice of FM saying I have to ship it only to them to fix and with a blank check. There is me thinking "eat it" meant an ender off the front of the board with chicklets scattered on the sidewalk... Now I have to figure out bitcoin because FM cannot stand competition and Tony has to obfuscate finances to protect the ADV from BS lawsuits. LOVED my Kubota and rued the day of sale but have me a CASE 580 Super E now. NO computer in that 6 ton beast and easy to repair!

[@MrDmadness]

Tbh Future motion just gave floatwheel the best marketing possiblle for free. Copyright laws are not enforceable where floatwheel is based, payment in crypto is non traceable, and it's shipped not assembled so it becomes a diy project not a for sale packaged product. Im starting to think that Tony is a far greater mind than people are even giving him credit for, this is where the community takes over because the sport is bigger than the founder ( fm is not actually the founder but I digress )

[@humbertoduenas89]

Floatwheel just gave the community a nice financial initiative to make videos showing step by step how to get coinbase set up and buy an ADV

[@floatwheel]

Thank you sir I have learnt more english words in your single comment than on other 10 youtube videos combined🤣

[@MrDmadness]

@@floatwheel it's a fair trade, you've progressed the sport in a huge way and he unified the community and the community is rallying behind floatwheel

[@timwilliams73]

Jeff - thanks for another great video. I’m in the camp of not wanting to give FM another dime after dealing with a repair when the cheap motor cable connector on my GT fried both my controller and motor. That said, I haven’t seen a great video of how the differences in the ADV and the GTS affect the ride. Namely weight, FM vs. VESC software, and the torque curve. Would love to see a video that speaks to some of those differences and how they impact trail riding and pavement riding. Thanks for everything you do!!!

[@monyx1101]

For world market outside of USA the shipping costs & times are big issues. Sold up and bought ADVPro for this RtoR.

[@dahlgren]

Freaking love my Float Wheel! After being literally let down and dropped multiple times by one wheel, I'll never go back.

[@p0rtugeek]

Nice comparison! Very fair to both options.

[@idkimnotsure1960]

I was quoted 400$ just to send my XR in for a repair, a repair that i'd love to do myself if they'd only sell me the fkn parts. Also its a huge hassle when you live in Europe.

[@Berg085]

Several years ago, I was trying to decide between a OW and an Ebike. At the time, the GT had recently come out, and they were having their ghosting issues, and people weren't happy with the new proprietary tire. Decided on the ebike, and never really looked back at OW... Now that some decent people are giving them some competition, I might look back at it a bit.

[@smokeyBJJ]

I was finished with FM when my GT died with 28% battery left. They wanted me to ship my board from Canada to California and wasn’t going to cover repairs because I had WTF rails. I decided to not send it in, and instead I disabled the “Charge to 90%” feature on the OW app and guess what? My battery now gets the range it’s supposed to. I swear that 90% feature is there to unbalance cells and cause users problems so they have to contact FM. Altho my GT now works properly, I no longer ride it and only ride my ADV now.

[@jessewilliams6459]

I was looking at GTs but now I want an ADV. A board with electronics to program and replace? That's like a dream fantasy. It's too bad there are none for sale.

[@hackjealousy]

Any tfl products in planning for the adv?

[@barnyard99]

Just waiting for The Float Life to become a US distributor of the Float Wheel so I can buy one assembled with local shipping and repairs and third-party parts available as Jeff and team go nuts with designs.

[@jaefrmbk2k]

not likely, but would b Sik

[@Buckydoe31]

Jeff’s the best

[@auden_builds]

Thx jeff ❤ great vid

[@dustinpugh8222]

Great video, been waiting for this!! Where's the prop cup? Lol

[@brodyport6395]

Lessss goooo! Excited for this one to drop

[@MrJoefoefrombuffalo]

Please consider talking or posting more about the differences between the ADV and the ADV pro other than the rails on the ADV pro an adv bigger battery for adv

[@tighewerntz9306]

Would have loved a section on reliability. Otherwise great video Jeff! Still on the fence with the adv vs a proven brand. Loved my XR and love my gt. I’m mostly a country road hills and paved trails kind of old dude. Thanks!

[@humbertoduenas89]

That will probably be further in the future as more ADVs start to age.

[@gergosnoo]

Great video Jeff! I agree with all aspects.

[@injectionAI]

Not a fan of floatwheel yet, but maybe in the next few versions

[@TheFloatLife]

That's fair! What would you like to see in future versions?

[@justh0dl]

XR type body, pint weight and watt hours so you can take it on an airplane. Also the bigger footpads. As a size 12, I am *not* a fan of the smaller style/pint like footpads. I'm not a range demon. Make it a pocket rocket, glorified grocery getter / shredder and I'd be all over it. 35 lbs on the GT was already too heavy and the floatwheel just continues the trend of heavyweight boards which is a full stop for me. Also I don't understand the hate for the 6.5" hub. I don't ride trails much but I love the look of the bigger rim + how wide the tires can get. For example the performance tire is even wider than the Vega on the XR and I *love* it. I do appreciate that on the GT-S (which I own) FM went lighter and not heavier. That's how we should be going as an industry IMO.

[@injectionAI]

@@justh0dlall fair points

[@injectionAI]

@@TheFloatLifefor me it’s mostly just them being a newer company still. I didn’t buy OW immediately when it came out either. Let’s see how float wheel behaves over time. I bought meepo a few years ago when they had a similar dynamic to Boosted and I was burned by it. Ecosystem and aesthetic are important to me so I still like OW, but I’m rooting for Float Wheel

[@jaefrmbk2k]

​@@TheFloatLifethe upcoming smart BMS, more torque, more volts, more speed (sorry not sorry lol), lighter, better aesthetics, shorter range no problem, higher price no problem

[@dustinhankins2153]

Jeff, we all know ADV is the better buy. Higher speed, more range, total software customization. Can repair yourself. Half the price. Be real. Don’t cater to future motion.

[@jinkiescoob]

I think he presented it fairly, comparing them in categories. Everyone has a different value judgement on a particular category; for example, price might be the main thing, or it might not matter… depends on who you are. Some people love to customize and build, others it’s a nightmare. So it all depends on what you value. But I think FW is giving the community something that they value, which FM fails to recognize or provide for.

[@AmericanSmallArms]

He was soft on FM.

[@Alex-ge6fo]

He said all those things - what video did you watch? I see some people have become so polarized against FM, they have lost any sense of balanced viewpoint. To the point of everything FM does/makes is sh*t and FW can do no wrong (even when they do wrong, well it's ok). As we should all expect, Jeff sought to present a fair/balanced viewpoint of these two products and I think he largely succeeded in that. Viewers can watch this and see what is important to them and make their own decisions.

[@brianres]

Would have loved to see an XR VESC in this side by side comparison. It is also an option to consider.

[@3tch3r]

Why not a XR with a superflux motor? In all honesty the hypercore motor is not very powerful compared to the other stators out there

[@antecboy]

As an electronics engineer who is very into designing my own stuff and taking ownership of items that I buy, Futuremotion is essentially a no go for me from the start.

[@khaoniew8612]

You can get 2 Flwh for the price of one GTS plus Flwh is more customer friendly company.

[@froggerc625]

With the amount of power now available being pretty much all you could safely hope to harness on a onewheel tyoe platform, it makes me wonder what improvements and variations will happen in the next decade to the platform.

[@jaefrmbk2k]

lighter weight, more range, more safety features & I believe, even more amps, volts, torque & speed are on the horizon ⚡️⚡️

[@auden_builds]

Gosmiro x5 vs adv pro vs gts video next?

[@brodyport6395]

Gosmilo together strong

[@tanmaybhattacharya9749]

Tfl X Floatwheel is what we need

[@auden_builds]

Jeff has a tractor?! XD

[@warrybk]

Thanks Jeff, two things: Could you say a bit more about the cut offs from Floatwheel due to a low voltage cell? How to prevent this? They are selling a “OEM battery tool”, what does that do? Also I’m surprised you say each FM board can have random shutdowns. I had a XR and GT, with both 3.000 miles on them. Never had a random cut off. Can yo say a bit more on why such a thing happens? The results can be quite bad

[@ronvanzuylen]

If an individual cell has an issue, the Floatwheel ADV will just hard power off. The BMS is "dumb" and can't talk to the controller. On Onewheel, the BMS can tell the controller there is a problem, and the board can give you a haptic buzz, start tilting back and slow you down. The OEM battery tool is something you can connect to the battery pack to check the voltage of the FW cells and force cell balancing. (You need to disconnect the battery from the board to do this... this is not something you install.) It's a diagnostics tool, ultimately. You've never had any hardware related failure while riding, eh? Good for you. People that beat the hell out of their boards can't normally say that.

[@warrybk]

@@ronvanzuylenokay, so the OEM battery is something that is not straightforward to use? You have to open your board to measure this? But if the charger can balance the cells, then why do you need the battery tool at alll? No, I never had random cut offs. I ride to work with a new Macbook in my backpack, I trust the board fully

[@ronvanzuylen]

You don't need to use the OEM tool, but there is no way to confirm the health of your batteries or cell voltage without it. The ADV discharge BMS will balance cells, but it's not as obvious as just plugging it in, hitting 100% and waiting for the lightbar to turn off like on a modern Onewheel. With the ADV, you need to charge it and then leave it unplugged for a few hours... and any cells should balance. (But, like I said, there is no way to check. If you are diagnosing issues, the tool can be handy.)

[@MrJoefoefrombuffalo]

Excellent video thank you! 👍👍 How do we program the AdV? Can be done via Android, apple crap wireless? Herd can program it with known program set ups that some like for doing x y or a. How do we find them? Hopefully the aftermarket will follow AdV by next spring when I plan on getting a AdV pro. Would like flight fins or similar,fender with since I've become spoiled with them on my XR

[@EliteAtlantaHomes]

“In 2023, all challenged patents were found invalid 68% of the time. These are daunting statistics for patent holders.” There’s a good chance Tony could flip FM if the patent is invalidated which many believe it should be. This would be awesome! 😎

[@EUCme]

Thank you, great video. I heard something about the first 200 motors on the ATV were a problem. Did your ATV have one of those initial 200 motors or was it a later generation?

[@boolikethebear]

i bought a gt-s on black friday. definitely spent way to much money on it, but there's a lot that appealed to me - primarily, the safety. i'm very excited to see where floatwheel goes, tho. it will probably be my next board, in a year, or two, once we really see where it's gonna go. also, while i'm very comfortable in the crpyto space, i'm very uncomfortable spending that kind of money on something using crypto. there's just way more security using a bank (plus the rewards/free money), which in turn means way less anxiety for me. it was the biggest deciding factor in my decision. hopefully, they can jump that hurdle in the future! by then, i'll probably have a bunch of accessories from the float life for it too.

[@mediawolf1]

Would have loved to hear your subjective thoughts on how the two boards feel to ride.

[@MasonH24]

Be me, XR owner with 3,000 miles. I'm buying that ADV bois.

[@MrHenk777]

Hello! Can someone write from which site I can order Floathwheel? PS: Very good job Tony!

[@PapaP86]

Choice is easy for me. FM is a company that hates its customers, is anti-consumer and anit-competition. Floatwheel ADV Pro it is. I liked my Pint-X to get into it as a product, but cannot buy FM going forward.

[@Buckydoe31]

SLAY BRO SLAY ❤ LOVE THIS. You’re the real GOAT!

[@alexglebo]

I've had a onewheels since they came out... I would have preferred to stay a loyal customer but the price does matter these days, adv is a higher performance product, and the gts is overpriced, it should have been in the 2500 range and then it would have been at least a closer call, but when you compare 1800 vs 3400, this isn't even close, sorry onewheel, you no longer have a monopoly and all these lawsuits look weak, just compete like a capitalist and let's get this sport to a new level, competition is good for everyone, let's all get the adv and put onewheel on notice

[@guner1014]

Damn I wish I would’ve bought a float wheel instead of the GT. Honestly hoping it does breakdown just so I have an excuse to get a floatwheel😂