G466 vs 046! Clone vs Oem!!! Who makes more Power? Blue thunder?

[@waults]

I bought the G466 just like that one. As Joe mentioned, I replaced the tensioner right out of the box, and since the recoil handles are known problems, tossed an OEM on. Ran a couple tanks of 25:1 and then leaned back to 32:1... then adjusted the carb - really livened it up. I don't make a living with my saw, $1500 for a 76cc just doesn't fit the budget. $320 got me in the game, and I fully plan to use it as an educational tool as much as a saw.

[@bye92]

Wow 25:1?? Is that a good thing to do to new saws?

[@danfromga9696]

​@@bye92 I wouldn't do it

[@kdcustoms1272]

@@danfromga9696 its fine... better to have to much lube than not enough... worst case scenerio, you foul a plug.

[@paulmclaughlan3204]

Buckin Billy put me on to you. Glad he did!!! Excellent and very informative. Happy days Dino!!!

[@dynojoemods2764]

Welcome aboard! Glad you enjoyed the video.

[@7eis]

If I had these two saws on a job site I'd run the blue one just so I knew my backup saw would be a reliable machine 😅

[@dynojoemods2764]

That is a very solid plan

[@matthewotis3594]

It's hard to run iffy products when you know you have a bad ass Stihl in the truck.

[@7eis]

@@matthewotis3594 I'd hate to run a saw and only have a turd of questionable quality as a backup. I keep 7 saws + latest project in my van and work with others 80% of the time, 95% of the time within 45min of home so my original comment was more of a thought experiment.

[@jesseshort8]

@@7eis my guys bitch about having to load up 5 or 6 saws everyday when I usually only use 2, maybe 3 a day. I always saw it's better to have them and not need them than the other way around. Stay safe up there!

[@White000Crow]

I do the same thing. Best the living snot out of the clone and have the OEMs as backup.

[@noclass2gun342]

i have a g444 thats been an animal up until recently... scored the piston and cylinder pretty bad. Got a hyway titanickel 460 big bore kit coming to fix it with... Gonna do a 483 light build

[@srankin8022]

Great video! Would have loved to see you swap the mufflers and run them again. Also, it would be interesting to see inside the clone saw, timing numbers, port sizes, transfers, etc.

[@johnwyman6126]

Then swap the air filters, then the carburetors.

[@nickchauvin79]

I’d like to see the numbers once the blue saw is broke in. My g466 seemed to pull much better after 4 or 5 tanks run through it. I have a couple big trees that had to come down and I didn’t see the reason to spend the money on an oem saw that I wont use much. I haven’t had any issues so far with it but Ive only run about 10 tanks of fuel through it.

[@chrisjacobs2182]

Really liked the comparison and with the proper tinkering and tooling anything is possible.

[@Thanosisnotreal]

I like seeing you play with clone saws.

[@Aaron_A_Lynch]

Cool comparison...you know how I feel about clones ..I mess with a bunch of them....hard to beat them for firewood saws🤙🏻😎

[@ozdatman]

Would like to see the G466 after a week or 2 of break in. I know my oem husky didn't reach full potential until it had about 10 tanks though it.

[@Aaron_A_Lynch]

@@ozdatman I agree..but it was close out of the box

[@bigfootandbananaman4746]

My opinion on the aftermarket saws is they are great after you fix all the issues. Every one I have gotten has had little issues out of the box but after a few times out cutting things stop breaking and they become reliable.

[@troy3052]

Keep showing us the progress of ol blue

[@prestonfreeman8443]

I wish I had money to buy Stihl. But after tuning my G660 blue saw kicks butt.

[@fcs389gtus]

Great video and comparison. It was nice to see facts and numbers. I’ve got a G660 that I’ve built from a parts kit and I did have a few issues, but once I got past those it’s been a great running saw though I suspect it won’t compare to an OEM. It’d be cool to see you revisit this after the blue saw is broke in.

[@Thanosisnotreal]

How was your chain adjuster? Mine was absolutely unusable on my 440 kit…

[@fcs389gtus]

@@Thanosisnotreal just fine actually. I do plan to swap OE parts in eventually but no need right now.

[@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849]

Excellent review, as always, Joe!!! I can now get some understanding of why folks buy these saws for things like milling.

[@Super-Dave-Outdoors]

Always a good day when Dyno Joe uploads a video!

[@dynojoemods2764]

Thank You! Hope you enjoy.

[@vinzer8808]

You bet!

[@tomv7552]

I like them for learning how to port with. If you blow one up, it’s not going to brake the bank

[@frankz1125]

I always prefer oem saws even an older one. But for the price of the big saws even blown up you can get a clone for cheaper. Was looking for a 90 cc Husky. Found one in a box in pieces for $750 and I picked up a G288 for $400 delivered to my door. I only use it for big stumps and milling. Does the trick. Cheers

[@danfromga9696]

Funny you say that a dude local to me tried to sell me a blown 044 for 360 I can't make this crap up

[@frankz1125]

@@danfromga9696 044 are a pretty special saw. They go for 500+ around me. Offer 300 and it would be an OK deal. Spend 200 on fixing it up and you will have a great saw. Cheers

[@Szczyrczek]

Close enough to me. Would love to see the results after break in period, hope U can make it happen!

[@uncleputz2033]

I noticed after I bought the blue saw as a wood cutter, right out of the box it NEEDED SOME TWEEKING. once it had a few tanks of 25-1 fuel through it I started putting 32 -1 through and it seemed to love it. after running it for several months cutting fire wood and then using it to buck logs for the sawmill it really came alive. not sure if it was a break in thing or what. I have a pretty good variety of saws, Stihl, Mac, Homelite, Husqvarna, and others. this big blue will cut right along with the rest of them. care and maintenance is a big key to longevity.

[@jamesedwards6269]

As a cheap skate I love my G366 the MS360 clone. Starts quickly compared to many other chainsaws I have run before, cuts and hasn’t failed me yet after 25-30 tanks of fuel, I feel like the value I got at less than a 1/3 of the price of the OEM saw is off the charts.

[@Andyshine77]

Cool to see the difference in numbers. Could you dyno the saw without the filter to see if that's the restriction? That would really be interesting, IMHO.

[@paulfhenry9568]

Hey Joe nipped over from buckin to say hi.. a stay in Scotland. Been watching u for a wee bit. Your doing a great job fella. Keep it up. Harvy had nothing but good things to say about you. Keep Hur chappin.👍

[@botfoblhrp]

im very pleased with my 2 big blue saws. if not for this brand, me and my son couldn't have tried the chainsaw milling. they have worked excellent for this, when you bury a 42" bar and it just keep on keeping on , whats to complain about ,other than no excuse Not to do it lol. we even bumped up to a 52" bar when needed. mine have been affordable and dependable.

[@dentondunn4346]

I have a 2018 Husquavarna 372xp but considering selling it and buying a new Holtzforma, do you suggest it or not?

[@dunno6442]

@@dentondunn4346keep the husky, these aren’t an upgrade just very very good for the price, youl get more longevity from genuine saws.

[@slow_bike_mike]

My g111 top handle had a leaky cap out of the box too. $10 worth of oem caps, and it's been a great saw for the money. Really interested in the power after break in, and the same comparison between the G666 and a real 066.

[@brianquigley7336]

I have a couple Holzfforma saws. They cut great. The chain adjusters and oil pumps are crap though. Easy fixes.

[@kevinwilson8350]

Great honest advice. Cheers Joe.

[@rockymountainchainsaw]

Great video. Thanks for the good information.

[@David-v9g3m]

I have two of them I use them every day for logging they both work great

[@VintageMillenial]

I have a ms440 with a heavily ported Hyway 460 big bore kit along with a modded muffler and no base gasket. Engine compression started at 150 and after the mods was at 250, and yes i have destroyed a couple pull starts. Saw went from doing decent with a 28 inch bar to ripping a 32 inch through oak no problem.

[@justinp7687]

Have several of the blue saws, only failed part is clutch bearing. I like them for reason of there cheap and if they grow legs and walk off does not hurt as much as a oem. Do still have several oem Stihl and husky saws.

[@adamcook5433]

I just picked up a farmmac 660 clone. Very impressed with the quality. The casting of the cylinder was much better than the farmertec saws I've had a part. Didn't run it stock to compare though.

[@redtiller1975]

I can't stand the Stihl flip caps. Screw caps are just better. Thanks for the video

[@richardflagg3084]

Nice, honest evaluation Joe. It's easy to talk trash about the clone saws, but you kept it factual. Pretty impressive how wide the powerband is on the 046.

[@dynojoemods2764]

Thank you. Makes sense why people like them, nice useable powerband.

[@robbevington1754]

thanks for the break down

[@230e4]

Nice comparison Joe! I look forward to seeing what you build out of the G466. I own a pair of 046 Artic saws that my Dad logged with since new , I have put alot of hours on them since 2010, I would have to say that if one were to find a low hour 046 and maintain it well it would probably last their lifetime, and go up in value too, something to consider when comparing price. From the first MS460 with flippy caps to the current crop of Stihl pro saws with flippy caps that I own and cut timber with there has been a 100% guarantee: They have all leaked! Both the gas and oil. I wish Stihl would revise these, no matter how diligent I am with cleaning them out every day they have rewarded me with a leak. I have had Zero issues with the caps on my Husqvarna saws....

[@jeffjordan6371]

Hey Joe I like your videos....Buckin sent me...I'm a fan.

[@dynojoemods2764]

Thanks for coming! Glad you enjoyed the video

[@localcrew]

I have the Holzfforma G372 Husky clone and it’s my go-to saw. Took awhile to get the carb dialed in and the chain tensioner is not the greatest. I had a Husky bar and chain lying around and got this saw already assembled for like 180 bucks with free delivery. Wish I’d gotten two. Don’t worry though. I have a Stihl 461 as a backup. I would love to see you run about a dozen tanks of fuel through the blue saw and get the carb and air filter right. Then do the dyno. Bet it posts significant gains as my clone saw did. Great video. 👍

[@matthewblock6001]

Getting ready to port mine and drop the jug a bit just to see

[@scottprestenbach6094]

I have a cline husky 365 i put a 372 cylinder kit inside, i haven't had any issues with the saw since i got it back in 2019.

[@eriksforestryvision8751]

Maybe run some tanks through the blue saw and another run? Then port the crap out of it see if it hold up? Great video old Stihl with what 500hrs still holding on strong.

[@redbeardtree1776]

Break in time also needs to be taken into account, the blue saw will gain as it breaks in

[@sempi8159]

Would love to See the New holzforma "pro" Version on your dyno! Great Video as always!

[@dynojoemods2764]

That would be interesting

[@sempi8159]

@@dynojoemods2764 i could pay for it. You Do a Video on it and then send it to me. Do you think that would work?

[@miladne1092]

Its important to incorporate the dino and the carb tune, if you want to compare apple to apple. If the carb isn't tuned right it will give a false result, so you should use the dino to tune the carb, especially the H which is the working high speed dial.

[@alanmeyers3957]

Lol!

[@rgthomson1]

The Holzfforma will go up after a few tanks of fuel are put through and the rings bed in and they normally need a little bit turn to the hi screw, i think they keep them a bit on the rich side

[@jackylsmith8138]

Nice comparison. The blue saw should have a warranty. Also it looks brand new and is not broken in yet. Do you think the numbers will improve while the rings seat. I think they will. I think Tinman recently checked timing numbers from several aftermarket cylinders and compared to a stock Husqvarna cylinder. The Holtzforma had the closest numbers and was nearly identical to OEM. The quality of the Holtzforma cylinder is unknown how long it will last.

[@jamestobin4849]

I know mine came with 6 month home warranty 3 month commercial

[@jackpinesavageadventures3142]

👍 Thanks Joe

[@mm88swrt]

You gotta give it credit for not having seated rings

[@ishure8849]

G'day DJ, I keep one at the farm if a branch falls over a fence I don't bother locking it up if someone takes it then they'll be yelling at it when it won't start hot and I'll be at peace 👍.

[@SteveRogers370]

Hello Joe! Buckin sent me over 👍

[@Imageloading...]

Had the blue saw been fully broken in?

[@benbradshawjr2856]

Id love to see the conversion(direct bolt on) ps6400 to ps7900.the difference.

[@jamesbenjamin7065]

Awesome video as always from Joe! The Dyno factor certainly puts the “proof in the pudding” not only for comparison like this video but the best way to test port and pipe alterations. Hopefully will see a video of a ported rematch of these saws!!!

[@timbourque5095]

Yeah go though them both top to bottom replace what really matters and see the results that would be nice maybe a good challenge for him with the blue saw not saying he has to deal with the part's he doesn't want to work on but replace them and then , I would like seeing that as well.👍

[@timbourque5095]

That would be crazy if he does and they both put out the same power that would say a lot I believe as well, that sounds like a challenge right there ! 😂👍

[@mrfirewood6215]

Check the squish and do a base gasket delete. See if it changes the power

[@ronwilliams266]

.to stop the fuel cap from leaking tighten the cap and lube the ceil remember it been dry and doxed up for how long

[@Jamie-wayne]

I wonder if the clone if tuned and broken in well would have power closer to the Stihl? Also I think if I was the average homeowner I would definitely save the extra couple hundred and get the blue thunder instead of a poulan or craftsman.

[@SadlonCattleCompany]

i wanna see a g444 vs 440/044. Those are some screamers.

[@EcSsAwS]

You already know I like the china saws. IF IF IF you know how to tinker with them

[@barryhoneycutt3894]

First time here, subscribed. Bucking Billie Ray Smith sent me, when he vouches for someone it is good enough for me. Ty for your time and effort on the videos. like what i see... from SE Texas Bear

[@Buzz-vz2js]

The more the merrier to watch Dyno Joe do his voodoo to saws

[@TommyUhlman]

The way prices are today, I think the clones for the average hobby farmer would definitely be worth looking into. If you got a few years out of one and only threw a few bucks at it how could you go wrong.

[@glenurquhart2300]

If I was going to be falling timber full time I would buy oem. For cutting firewood or occasional use. The clone saw will get the work accomplished just fine The other factor between these 2 saws tested. The 046 was broke in. The G466 was new. My G660 set in at around 4, 4.5 gallons of fuel run through it. Noticable increase in power once it set in. Pulling 105 drivers of 3/8 full comp chisel chain.

[@stuartramage5933]

awesome video .peace an love from scotland .

[@VmedranoMr]

How do you find engine rebuild for this model g444?

[@dgr8t1]

Hey Joe, I've had my g466 for two years. I totally notice that once after initial carb tune and about 4-5 tanks then retune one the carb the saw seemed to run like a beast and maybe an old saw thats been way broke in against one not is not really a good test. Not that I'm partial to the clone as I would grab a standard stihl any day of the week. However I would like to see the dyno test after the clone was broken in and at least 4-5 tanks and a tune on the carb after would give a better result and see how it compares. BTW Thanks for the video- lil late in seeing it but again it will give some one better judgment to understand dynamics of power in a saw.

[@georgecarton435]

How new was that saw, you talked earlier about how compression was a bit lower on the clone saw I'm wondering if the power and that compression will improve when everything is seated and went through it's heat cycles i think it would be worth a re test once those things are achieved. If for nothing else a more realistic comparison to see it the clone improves or remains the same

[@dmc8981]

test joncutter g7500 75cc please thanks

[@mfsaws8240]

Great video Joe!

[@dynojoemods2764]

Thanks!

[@williamsolomon1307]

Excellent video. Thank you for sharing. I am curious if you adjusted the carburetor on the clone saw prior to the dyno the run.

[@dynojoemods2764]

Yes, I adjusted the saw to a normal work tune, as if I were going to go cutting.

[@williamsolomon1307]

@@dynojoemods2764 ok great! Thanks for clarifying Joe!

[@christianhviid2167]

Just curious, did you use the clone saw for a few tanks before putting it on the dyno? Out of curiosity, ive noticed some power increase over a few tanks on my OEM machines. Ive never tried one of these clones but if they are like OEM ones, compression goes up quite a bit on say the 5-10th tank of fuel vs the first and initial tank of fuel. Does that make sense? Now i’ve only dyno’d OEM saws and other 2 stroke engines, but if these clone saws follow conventional wisdom according to the tag still sitting on the pull cord, i’d say this blue lil thing might have a bit more in it than here!😊

[@oceanheadted]

The flippy caps are defo more prone to user error. After using them for a year, I quite like them

[@GWAYGWAY1]

Mine snapped the plastic rivet in the centre and it fell apart. I had bought a new one in preparation of breaking one on the woods.

[@alanmeyers3957]

@@GWAYGWAY1 yes, I went to put my fuel cap on and it wouldn’t go, it felt like it was twisting in half, I finally got it on, but ridiculous, Stihl oem.

[@jensenwilliam5434]

Thank s!!

[@mrtennessee6862]

046 all day, have you ever worked on the Stihl 051 and what is your opinion? Thank you

[@lumbearjack1439]

Cool video! Would you be interested in testing power differences in mix ratios? 50-1, 40-1, 32-1? I currently mix 32-1 in 87. I used to mix 50-1 in 91

[@dynojoemods2764]

That is a good idea, I may get around to it sometime, could get very interesting.

[@lumbearjack1439]

@@dynojoemods2764 I agree! My intuition says a little more oil will reduce friction, and leans out the tune a touch, resulting in a bit more power. I could be totally wrong but it sure feels like 32-1 runs better than 50.

[@miladne1092]

@@dynojoemods2764 a guy on youtube did that test and finds that 50 to one is best for engine temperature. Dyno joe do you have a video where you use the dyno to tune carb with it? Appreciate it you could provide.

[@JoshNoss]

​@@lumbearjack1439more oil also creates a better seal on the rings and less blowby of the combustion energy, it does however cause more heat soak of the hot combustion gases into the engine but at the same time gives more lubrication so it's probably still a positive. I know I typically was told by Husqvarna techs that 50:1 was for the EPA and 40:1 was for the engine. 36:1 might be good for a higher rpm ported saw but isn't really needed for 95% of builds in the real world.

[@yenerm114]

Love them since you have the option to have a 70cc saw n don’t have to spend thousands of dollars on them, bought the 372 xp clone n haven’t had any problems w it 🤞🏼 n she runs n cuts very well imo , if a seal goes bad, leak here n there 🤷🏼‍♂️ I’ll fix it , just like I would w a name brand saw , n Ive seen ppl spend 1200$ bring it home n have problem after problem soooo imo there a great home owner saw for a good price 👌🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼 n they do have a warranty within 30 or 60 days , e-mail just have to show that you bought from them, n not a dealer of holzforma,if you bought from a dealer ya have to go thru them to get the part , I didn’t know you were in MI , where I’m at I’ll have to bring one of my saws some time n get ya to port it

[@IndianaDoug]

Good vid Joe👍🏻

[@dynojoemods2764]

Thanks 👍

[@jonathanhensley8685]

You do good work Joe! very fair review. I’m still trying to figure out how I do feel about these clone saws. I love OEM stuff. I guess it’s the consistency for me. My one big sore spot is the fact that original manufactures can’t produce those souls anymore because they don’t meet EPA standards, but China can build them and sell them here all day long and they’re not held to the same standard. Can I get a amen.

[@dgoodman1484]

Exactly!

[@Nabutero]

Hey Joe, you have maybe some instruction for a muzzle 881 Stihl? Thanks! Love your Videos!!!

[@tomv7552]

I did find my blue saw 272 was a bit rich out of the box

[@RichardTakacs]

Please test Dolmar 5105

[@CorwinBos]

Nice work. I wonder if the carb is the limiting factor on the cloner saw?

[@monkamonk]

Have a jonsred 920 that I think is a 5 cubic inch saw that will run a 40 inch bar faster than a 660 or 066

[@davidtettleton2732]

I have 2 g444. Seem good but i do have trouble with caps and handle and starter cord

[@bryantitus6634]

Clearly the 046 is a broken in saw. How much would this gap close up in your opinion after a good break in period? I know youve tested a few new vs broke in saws in the past.

[@dynojoemods2764]

Normally 2-4% from what I have seen

[@bryantitus6634]

@@dynojoemods2764 so if the g466 gained 4% it would have pulled approximately 5.86hp. And likely pulled better a touch higher it the rpm range as well. That makes the gap between them a lot closer. If you end up with the opportunity, that could be an interesting future comparison. It levels the playing field a bit too.

[@bryantitus6634]

@@dynojoemods2764 it would then mean the 046 only made 2.3% more power instead of 6.4% more. The g466 seems to be one of their more well made clones in general from the videos I have seen. The g444 that you ran actually pulled BETTER power numbers than this broken in 046 mag.

[@wayneanderson991]

The Stihl OEM flippy caps are better than the Holzfforma caps on the G466, but the OEM flippy caps still leak just not as much!

[@timdelph9048]

I used AM cylinders to learn how to do port work back in the mid 2000's when Baileys started selling the big bore kits. Did a couple, got gains, but not near as much as I could get from an OEM cylinder. They did serve a great purpose of being a cheap cylinder to practice grinding on.

[@JKSawShop]

I think farmertec does a great job with the 372’s

[@joelbabcock2952]

I have a G444 clone and a Stihl 462 c-m. Do I like the Stihl better? Of course. After the G444 broke in, and the carburetor was adjusted properly, it pulls hard. Is it as good as a Stihl 044? I don’t know. Never ran one. Hate to admit it, but they are a great value for the weekend warrior who cuts firewood.

[@rtdc5662]

Basically you can buy a low cost new saw, or a high cost used saw and still have to buy parts and work on them.

[@moochythecat3435]

A little Taryl putty on that gas tank should fix that leak...

[@colbyhindman4444]

I have a G466 it’s the Oring on the fuel caps

[@ChrisLascari]

I'd like to see more on this stuff. I'm still unsure of purchasing one. Floppy caps are junk in mt opinion

[@monkamonk]

Ran a 044 vs a G444 sharpened both 044 with a 28 G444 with a 32 G444 cut faster 044 needed a carb tuning but ran the same other than lots of vibration compared to the stihl.

[@Devin-y6o]

Gotta break old blue in before the dyno makes a difference

[@davidnewell9605]

My new huskies have the flippy caps and I like them

[@vangelisevangelou4545]

we want more...

[@joehackett9471]

Lots of guys like those blue saws....Im not one of them! Great video though!

[@MyDeere3320]

Would you recommend putting the recommended fuel/oil mixture and bar oil that Farmertec recommend?

[@NathanVdV]

they both have the same compression (more or less) and the 046 is used for a long time and the 466 is brand spanking new. I bet in a tank or 5-10 that 466 will overpower that 046 by a mile.

[@ragercrepair9301]

Very well could be simple break in period. Get the blue saw broken in about 8 or 10 tanks and see how in compares once it's broken in. I just wonder if that would give it that extra half horse...? Maybe? Lol has me curious.

[@dynojoemods2764]

I'm sure break in, would bump it up an extra few%

[@christopherlehman4045]

Definitely could try again after it’s broken in but I’m betting the 1/2 hp is more in the cylinder ports being this already has the older style dual port muffler which Stihl used to claim one extra hp between the old magnums and standard style muffler. This is according to stihls sales literature from the time.

[@dylanbutler7804]

Why do you think the g466 is weaker than your Dyno run on the g444 when it’s a bigger cc motor and how is the weight comparison between the two saws

[@dynojoemods2764]

All has to do with the ports and compression. Seems most say the g444 is the stronger saw out of the box. I am not sure the weight difference. But I would guess is between 8-12 ounces.

[@dylanbutler7804]

@@dynojoemods2764 thanks I appreciate it. I was thinking about getting a g466 and eventually try to use it to learn to port. I’m planning on cutting 100+ cords of firewood next year this year I got a late start and I’m around 50ish cords. I’m wanting a stouter saw to cutdown on my cutting time.

[@monkamonk]

Up bore port and polish